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On October 10 2013 20:12 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 20:06 Subversive wrote:On October 10 2013 19:22 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 19:18 Talin wrote:On October 10 2013 18:36 Stratos wrote:On October 10 2013 18:10 Talin wrote:On October 10 2013 17:27 Stratos wrote:
Thanks to Savior's greed, the scene that's left today can only support so many players. I would like those who talk about forgiving Savior to think about that and realize that they're supporting the guy who helped destroy the careers of many young players who looked up to him as their senior and hero. The effects of the scandal are blown way out of proportion in the big picture. There is literally zero indication that anything would be different today if match fixing had not happened. The players involved destroyed mostly their own careers and little else. There is more than enough indication that it played some role in gathering sponsorship for the leagues that were to follow. Whether the indications are correct or the main cause was different is up for discussion, but you don't expect me to do the work for you and provide the sources if all you do is give random statements like that, right? I don't want to have that discussion anyway. The simple truth is that Savior's actions caused some amount of damage to the entirety of the Brood War scene. I couldn't care less about exact numbers, but as it is, I find him still milking the remaining scene absurd and crude. That's all I have to say on this matter, I'll be leaving the discussion now as I hope it dies away sooner rather than later and Savior finally moves on. All the heavyweight sponsors continued supporting BW for up to 2 years after the match fixing scandal. That alone invalidates your point. If the Telecoms, Samsung and Shinhan Bank thought that there's nothing wrong with supporting the scene post-matchfixing and continued to actively associate their brands with Brood War as if nothing bad ever happened, matchfixing would obviously not be enough to deter any other company from entering the scene if they ever had any intent of doing so. It's just convenient to dump everything on one guy's back and pretend the future would have been all milk and honey if only he hadn't done what he did. MBC would still be a gaming channel, Kespa would have never taken all the teams and players over to SC2, and nobody in Korea would give a shit about League of Legends today. thats pretty much the fucking truth when it comes to business, from my own personal experience, koreans always act like douches and hypocrits what oov said is so so so korean .... Do you have to bash Koreans every other sentence? Tone it down please. you could bash french ppl all day long i'd hardly give a fuck and i dont bash koreans every fucking sentence im actually living with one
So racism is ok as long as you don't care what people call your race?
Indians are all hypocritical douches in business and I can say that because I live with one. Is that how it works?
I thought you said you were leaving?
edit: I wish the OP would put the fixed translation up (he's only attacking those who play Savior on Afreeca) so we stop seeing stupid kneejerk posts.
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I know oov is kind of douche but this is really fucking low.
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On October 10 2013 20:20 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 20:12 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 20:06 Subversive wrote:On October 10 2013 19:22 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 19:18 Talin wrote:On October 10 2013 18:36 Stratos wrote:On October 10 2013 18:10 Talin wrote:On October 10 2013 17:27 Stratos wrote:
Thanks to Savior's greed, the scene that's left today can only support so many players. I would like those who talk about forgiving Savior to think about that and realize that they're supporting the guy who helped destroy the careers of many young players who looked up to him as their senior and hero. The effects of the scandal are blown way out of proportion in the big picture. There is literally zero indication that anything would be different today if match fixing had not happened. The players involved destroyed mostly their own careers and little else. There is more than enough indication that it played some role in gathering sponsorship for the leagues that were to follow. Whether the indications are correct or the main cause was different is up for discussion, but you don't expect me to do the work for you and provide the sources if all you do is give random statements like that, right? I don't want to have that discussion anyway. The simple truth is that Savior's actions caused some amount of damage to the entirety of the Brood War scene. I couldn't care less about exact numbers, but as it is, I find him still milking the remaining scene absurd and crude. That's all I have to say on this matter, I'll be leaving the discussion now as I hope it dies away sooner rather than later and Savior finally moves on. All the heavyweight sponsors continued supporting BW for up to 2 years after the match fixing scandal. That alone invalidates your point. If the Telecoms, Samsung and Shinhan Bank thought that there's nothing wrong with supporting the scene post-matchfixing and continued to actively associate their brands with Brood War as if nothing bad ever happened, matchfixing would obviously not be enough to deter any other company from entering the scene if they ever had any intent of doing so. It's just convenient to dump everything on one guy's back and pretend the future would have been all milk and honey if only he hadn't done what he did. MBC would still be a gaming channel, Kespa would have never taken all the teams and players over to SC2, and nobody in Korea would give a shit about League of Legends today. thats pretty much the fucking truth when it comes to business, from my own personal experience, koreans always act like douches and hypocrits what oov said is so so so korean .... Do you have to bash Koreans every other sentence? Tone it down please. you could bash french ppl all day long i'd hardly give a fuck and i dont bash koreans every fucking sentence im actually living with one So racism is ok as long as you don't care what people call your race? Indians are all hypocritical douches in business and I can say that because I live with one. Is that how it works? I thought you said you were leaving?
there are no races ?
I'm merely talking about cultural and social aspects of a given country.
ANd nationality is certainly not a race.
I think most of human cultures are obnoxious and perverted.
Koreans are no exception to it and have certain egocentric traits provided by their fucked up family and social scheme that make them do dumb shit and act a way that is laughable.
koreans are so touchy about their shitty national pride
it's fun actually you call me racist when Korea is one of the most xenophobic culture of the whole eastern asia.
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On October 10 2013 20:12 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 20:06 Subversive wrote:On October 10 2013 19:22 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 19:18 Talin wrote:On October 10 2013 18:36 Stratos wrote:On October 10 2013 18:10 Talin wrote:On October 10 2013 17:27 Stratos wrote:
Thanks to Savior's greed, the scene that's left today can only support so many players. I would like those who talk about forgiving Savior to think about that and realize that they're supporting the guy who helped destroy the careers of many young players who looked up to him as their senior and hero. The effects of the scandal are blown way out of proportion in the big picture. There is literally zero indication that anything would be different today if match fixing had not happened. The players involved destroyed mostly their own careers and little else. There is more than enough indication that it played some role in gathering sponsorship for the leagues that were to follow. Whether the indications are correct or the main cause was different is up for discussion, but you don't expect me to do the work for you and provide the sources if all you do is give random statements like that, right? I don't want to have that discussion anyway. The simple truth is that Savior's actions caused some amount of damage to the entirety of the Brood War scene. I couldn't care less about exact numbers, but as it is, I find him still milking the remaining scene absurd and crude. That's all I have to say on this matter, I'll be leaving the discussion now as I hope it dies away sooner rather than later and Savior finally moves on. All the heavyweight sponsors continued supporting BW for up to 2 years after the match fixing scandal. That alone invalidates your point. If the Telecoms, Samsung and Shinhan Bank thought that there's nothing wrong with supporting the scene post-matchfixing and continued to actively associate their brands with Brood War as if nothing bad ever happened, matchfixing would obviously not be enough to deter any other company from entering the scene if they ever had any intent of doing so. It's just convenient to dump everything on one guy's back and pretend the future would have been all milk and honey if only he hadn't done what he did. MBC would still be a gaming channel, Kespa would have never taken all the teams and players over to SC2, and nobody in Korea would give a shit about League of Legends today. thats pretty much the fucking truth when it comes to business, from my own personal experience, koreans always act like douches and hypocrits what oov said is so so so korean .... Do you have to bash Koreans every other sentence? Tone it down please. you could bash french ppl all day long i'd hardly give a fuck and i dont bash koreans every fucking sentence im actually living with one edit : and i'm so sorry to despise korean culture and dismiss it as a whole, because there's nothing really to gloat about in it and hardly anything's worthwhile to keep (maybe the food ?)
On October 10 2013 16:49 Boonbag wrote:
besides that, given korea's overall state of corruption at every level of society, i always thought it hyprocrit to blame a couple pro gamers for fixing matches when gangs were looming over
On October 10 2013 19:20 Boonbag wrote:
koreans are 1# country at jumping the high horse and acting like parangons of moral
it always worked this way....
On October 10 2013 19:22 Boonbag wrote:
thats pretty much the fucking truth
when it comes to business, from my own personal experience, koreans always act like douches and hypocrits
what oov said is so so so korean ....
You living with a Korean doesn't give you a right to shit all over them. And whether you would care or not if someone attacks the French is irrelevant. Kona's already told you he finds it offensive and your post has been reported, that should give you some indication of whether you're being offensive or not. Stop being a prick.
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
On October 10 2013 20:12 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 20:06 Subversive wrote:On October 10 2013 19:22 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 19:18 Talin wrote:On October 10 2013 18:36 Stratos wrote:On October 10 2013 18:10 Talin wrote:On October 10 2013 17:27 Stratos wrote:
Thanks to Savior's greed, the scene that's left today can only support so many players. I would like those who talk about forgiving Savior to think about that and realize that they're supporting the guy who helped destroy the careers of many young players who looked up to him as their senior and hero. The effects of the scandal are blown way out of proportion in the big picture. There is literally zero indication that anything would be different today if match fixing had not happened. The players involved destroyed mostly their own careers and little else. There is more than enough indication that it played some role in gathering sponsorship for the leagues that were to follow. Whether the indications are correct or the main cause was different is up for discussion, but you don't expect me to do the work for you and provide the sources if all you do is give random statements like that, right? I don't want to have that discussion anyway. The simple truth is that Savior's actions caused some amount of damage to the entirety of the Brood War scene. I couldn't care less about exact numbers, but as it is, I find him still milking the remaining scene absurd and crude. That's all I have to say on this matter, I'll be leaving the discussion now as I hope it dies away sooner rather than later and Savior finally moves on. All the heavyweight sponsors continued supporting BW for up to 2 years after the match fixing scandal. That alone invalidates your point. If the Telecoms, Samsung and Shinhan Bank thought that there's nothing wrong with supporting the scene post-matchfixing and continued to actively associate their brands with Brood War as if nothing bad ever happened, matchfixing would obviously not be enough to deter any other company from entering the scene if they ever had any intent of doing so. It's just convenient to dump everything on one guy's back and pretend the future would have been all milk and honey if only he hadn't done what he did. MBC would still be a gaming channel, Kespa would have never taken all the teams and players over to SC2, and nobody in Korea would give a shit about League of Legends today. thats pretty much the fucking truth when it comes to business, from my own personal experience, koreans always act like douches and hypocrits what oov said is so so so korean .... Do you have to bash Koreans every other sentence? Tone it down please. you could bash french ppl all day long i'd hardly give a fuck and i dont bash koreans every fucking sentence im actually living with one edit : and i'm so sorry to despise korean culture and dismiss it as a whole, because there's nothing really to gloat about in it and hardly anything's worthwhile to keep (maybe the food ?)
..? wow is it really a crime to be proud of my own culture
i dont see people bashing on french (not that you seem to care)
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On October 10 2013 20:25 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 20:12 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 20:06 Subversive wrote:On October 10 2013 19:22 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 19:18 Talin wrote:On October 10 2013 18:36 Stratos wrote:On October 10 2013 18:10 Talin wrote:On October 10 2013 17:27 Stratos wrote:
Thanks to Savior's greed, the scene that's left today can only support so many players. I would like those who talk about forgiving Savior to think about that and realize that they're supporting the guy who helped destroy the careers of many young players who looked up to him as their senior and hero. The effects of the scandal are blown way out of proportion in the big picture. There is literally zero indication that anything would be different today if match fixing had not happened. The players involved destroyed mostly their own careers and little else. There is more than enough indication that it played some role in gathering sponsorship for the leagues that were to follow. Whether the indications are correct or the main cause was different is up for discussion, but you don't expect me to do the work for you and provide the sources if all you do is give random statements like that, right? I don't want to have that discussion anyway. The simple truth is that Savior's actions caused some amount of damage to the entirety of the Brood War scene. I couldn't care less about exact numbers, but as it is, I find him still milking the remaining scene absurd and crude. That's all I have to say on this matter, I'll be leaving the discussion now as I hope it dies away sooner rather than later and Savior finally moves on. All the heavyweight sponsors continued supporting BW for up to 2 years after the match fixing scandal. That alone invalidates your point. If the Telecoms, Samsung and Shinhan Bank thought that there's nothing wrong with supporting the scene post-matchfixing and continued to actively associate their brands with Brood War as if nothing bad ever happened, matchfixing would obviously not be enough to deter any other company from entering the scene if they ever had any intent of doing so. It's just convenient to dump everything on one guy's back and pretend the future would have been all milk and honey if only he hadn't done what he did. MBC would still be a gaming channel, Kespa would have never taken all the teams and players over to SC2, and nobody in Korea would give a shit about League of Legends today. thats pretty much the fucking truth when it comes to business, from my own personal experience, koreans always act like douches and hypocrits what oov said is so so so korean .... Do you have to bash Koreans every other sentence? Tone it down please. you could bash french ppl all day long i'd hardly give a fuck and i dont bash koreans every fucking sentence im actually living with one edit : and i'm so sorry to despise korean culture and dismiss it as a whole, because there's nothing really to gloat about in it and hardly anything's worthwhile to keep (maybe the food ?) ..? wow is it really a crime to be proud of my own culture i dont see people bashing on french (not that you seem to care)
actually cultural pride is the anti chamber of nationalism
and yes beeing proud of your own culture is actually a pretty shitty attitude to have
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On October 10 2013 20:26 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 20:25 konadora wrote:On October 10 2013 20:12 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 20:06 Subversive wrote:On October 10 2013 19:22 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 19:18 Talin wrote:On October 10 2013 18:36 Stratos wrote:On October 10 2013 18:10 Talin wrote:On October 10 2013 17:27 Stratos wrote:
Thanks to Savior's greed, the scene that's left today can only support so many players. I would like those who talk about forgiving Savior to think about that and realize that they're supporting the guy who helped destroy the careers of many young players who looked up to him as their senior and hero. The effects of the scandal are blown way out of proportion in the big picture. There is literally zero indication that anything would be different today if match fixing had not happened. The players involved destroyed mostly their own careers and little else. There is more than enough indication that it played some role in gathering sponsorship for the leagues that were to follow. Whether the indications are correct or the main cause was different is up for discussion, but you don't expect me to do the work for you and provide the sources if all you do is give random statements like that, right? I don't want to have that discussion anyway. The simple truth is that Savior's actions caused some amount of damage to the entirety of the Brood War scene. I couldn't care less about exact numbers, but as it is, I find him still milking the remaining scene absurd and crude. That's all I have to say on this matter, I'll be leaving the discussion now as I hope it dies away sooner rather than later and Savior finally moves on. All the heavyweight sponsors continued supporting BW for up to 2 years after the match fixing scandal. That alone invalidates your point. If the Telecoms, Samsung and Shinhan Bank thought that there's nothing wrong with supporting the scene post-matchfixing and continued to actively associate their brands with Brood War as if nothing bad ever happened, matchfixing would obviously not be enough to deter any other company from entering the scene if they ever had any intent of doing so. It's just convenient to dump everything on one guy's back and pretend the future would have been all milk and honey if only he hadn't done what he did. MBC would still be a gaming channel, Kespa would have never taken all the teams and players over to SC2, and nobody in Korea would give a shit about League of Legends today. thats pretty much the fucking truth when it comes to business, from my own personal experience, koreans always act like douches and hypocrits what oov said is so so so korean .... Do you have to bash Koreans every other sentence? Tone it down please. you could bash french ppl all day long i'd hardly give a fuck and i dont bash koreans every fucking sentence im actually living with one edit : and i'm so sorry to despise korean culture and dismiss it as a whole, because there's nothing really to gloat about in it and hardly anything's worthwhile to keep (maybe the food ?) ..? wow is it really a crime to be proud of my own culture i dont see people bashing on french (not that you seem to care) actually cultural pride is the anti chamber of nationalism and yes beeing proud of your own culture is actually a pretty shitty attitude to have
You talking about shitty attitudes is pretty ironic.
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
On October 10 2013 20:26 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 20:25 konadora wrote:On October 10 2013 20:12 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 20:06 Subversive wrote:On October 10 2013 19:22 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 19:18 Talin wrote:On October 10 2013 18:36 Stratos wrote:On October 10 2013 18:10 Talin wrote:On October 10 2013 17:27 Stratos wrote:
Thanks to Savior's greed, the scene that's left today can only support so many players. I would like those who talk about forgiving Savior to think about that and realize that they're supporting the guy who helped destroy the careers of many young players who looked up to him as their senior and hero. The effects of the scandal are blown way out of proportion in the big picture. There is literally zero indication that anything would be different today if match fixing had not happened. The players involved destroyed mostly their own careers and little else. There is more than enough indication that it played some role in gathering sponsorship for the leagues that were to follow. Whether the indications are correct or the main cause was different is up for discussion, but you don't expect me to do the work for you and provide the sources if all you do is give random statements like that, right? I don't want to have that discussion anyway. The simple truth is that Savior's actions caused some amount of damage to the entirety of the Brood War scene. I couldn't care less about exact numbers, but as it is, I find him still milking the remaining scene absurd and crude. That's all I have to say on this matter, I'll be leaving the discussion now as I hope it dies away sooner rather than later and Savior finally moves on. All the heavyweight sponsors continued supporting BW for up to 2 years after the match fixing scandal. That alone invalidates your point. If the Telecoms, Samsung and Shinhan Bank thought that there's nothing wrong with supporting the scene post-matchfixing and continued to actively associate their brands with Brood War as if nothing bad ever happened, matchfixing would obviously not be enough to deter any other company from entering the scene if they ever had any intent of doing so. It's just convenient to dump everything on one guy's back and pretend the future would have been all milk and honey if only he hadn't done what he did. MBC would still be a gaming channel, Kespa would have never taken all the teams and players over to SC2, and nobody in Korea would give a shit about League of Legends today. thats pretty much the fucking truth when it comes to business, from my own personal experience, koreans always act like douches and hypocrits what oov said is so so so korean .... Do you have to bash Koreans every other sentence? Tone it down please. you could bash french ppl all day long i'd hardly give a fuck and i dont bash koreans every fucking sentence im actually living with one edit : and i'm so sorry to despise korean culture and dismiss it as a whole, because there's nothing really to gloat about in it and hardly anything's worthwhile to keep (maybe the food ?) ..? wow is it really a crime to be proud of my own culture i dont see people bashing on french (not that you seem to care) actually cultural pride is the anti chamber of nationalism and yes beeing proud of your own culture is actually a pretty shitty attitude to have
i am genuinely speechless.
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On October 10 2013 20:27 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 20:26 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 20:25 konadora wrote:On October 10 2013 20:12 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 20:06 Subversive wrote:On October 10 2013 19:22 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 19:18 Talin wrote:On October 10 2013 18:36 Stratos wrote:On October 10 2013 18:10 Talin wrote:On October 10 2013 17:27 Stratos wrote:
Thanks to Savior's greed, the scene that's left today can only support so many players. I would like those who talk about forgiving Savior to think about that and realize that they're supporting the guy who helped destroy the careers of many young players who looked up to him as their senior and hero. The effects of the scandal are blown way out of proportion in the big picture. There is literally zero indication that anything would be different today if match fixing had not happened. The players involved destroyed mostly their own careers and little else. There is more than enough indication that it played some role in gathering sponsorship for the leagues that were to follow. Whether the indications are correct or the main cause was different is up for discussion, but you don't expect me to do the work for you and provide the sources if all you do is give random statements like that, right? I don't want to have that discussion anyway. The simple truth is that Savior's actions caused some amount of damage to the entirety of the Brood War scene. I couldn't care less about exact numbers, but as it is, I find him still milking the remaining scene absurd and crude. That's all I have to say on this matter, I'll be leaving the discussion now as I hope it dies away sooner rather than later and Savior finally moves on. All the heavyweight sponsors continued supporting BW for up to 2 years after the match fixing scandal. That alone invalidates your point. If the Telecoms, Samsung and Shinhan Bank thought that there's nothing wrong with supporting the scene post-matchfixing and continued to actively associate their brands with Brood War as if nothing bad ever happened, matchfixing would obviously not be enough to deter any other company from entering the scene if they ever had any intent of doing so. It's just convenient to dump everything on one guy's back and pretend the future would have been all milk and honey if only he hadn't done what he did. MBC would still be a gaming channel, Kespa would have never taken all the teams and players over to SC2, and nobody in Korea would give a shit about League of Legends today. thats pretty much the fucking truth when it comes to business, from my own personal experience, koreans always act like douches and hypocrits what oov said is so so so korean .... Do you have to bash Koreans every other sentence? Tone it down please. you could bash french ppl all day long i'd hardly give a fuck and i dont bash koreans every fucking sentence im actually living with one edit : and i'm so sorry to despise korean culture and dismiss it as a whole, because there's nothing really to gloat about in it and hardly anything's worthwhile to keep (maybe the food ?) ..? wow is it really a crime to be proud of my own culture i dont see people bashing on french (not that you seem to care) actually cultural pride is the anti chamber of nationalism and yes beeing proud of your own culture is actually a pretty shitty attitude to have i am genuinely speechless.
that's the best way to learn
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Germany25658 Posts
How about we get back on topic now.
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
On October 10 2013 20:28 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 20:27 konadora wrote:On October 10 2013 20:26 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 20:25 konadora wrote:On October 10 2013 20:12 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 20:06 Subversive wrote:On October 10 2013 19:22 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 19:18 Talin wrote:On October 10 2013 18:36 Stratos wrote:On October 10 2013 18:10 Talin wrote:
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The effects of the scandal are blown way out of proportion in the big picture. There is literally zero indication that anything would be different today if match fixing had not happened. The players involved destroyed mostly their own careers and little else. There is more than enough indication that it played some role in gathering sponsorship for the leagues that were to follow. Whether the indications are correct or the main cause was different is up for discussion, but you don't expect me to do the work for you and provide the sources if all you do is give random statements like that, right? I don't want to have that discussion anyway. The simple truth is that Savior's actions caused some amount of damage to the entirety of the Brood War scene. I couldn't care less about exact numbers, but as it is, I find him still milking the remaining scene absurd and crude. That's all I have to say on this matter, I'll be leaving the discussion now as I hope it dies away sooner rather than later and Savior finally moves on. All the heavyweight sponsors continued supporting BW for up to 2 years after the match fixing scandal. That alone invalidates your point. If the Telecoms, Samsung and Shinhan Bank thought that there's nothing wrong with supporting the scene post-matchfixing and continued to actively associate their brands with Brood War as if nothing bad ever happened, matchfixing would obviously not be enough to deter any other company from entering the scene if they ever had any intent of doing so. It's just convenient to dump everything on one guy's back and pretend the future would have been all milk and honey if only he hadn't done what he did. MBC would still be a gaming channel, Kespa would have never taken all the teams and players over to SC2, and nobody in Korea would give a shit about League of Legends today. thats pretty much the fucking truth when it comes to business, from my own personal experience, koreans always act like douches and hypocrits what oov said is so so so korean .... Do you have to bash Koreans every other sentence? Tone it down please. you could bash french ppl all day long i'd hardly give a fuck and i dont bash koreans every fucking sentence im actually living with one edit : and i'm so sorry to despise korean culture and dismiss it as a whole, because there's nothing really to gloat about in it and hardly anything's worthwhile to keep (maybe the food ?) ..? wow is it really a crime to be proud of my own culture i dont see people bashing on french (not that you seem to care) actually cultural pride is the anti chamber of nationalism and yes beeing proud of your own culture is actually a pretty shitty attitude to have i am genuinely speechless. that's the best way to learn
lmao
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On October 10 2013 20:20 Letmelose wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 19:45 Highways wrote:
Didn't sAviOr beat iloveoovs 27 win streak vs Zerg? It was July. Also, I'd take what iloveoov has to say with a grain of salt. He was far from exemplary himself, and always had these kind of tendencies to talk brashly without giving things too much thought. That being said, it's stupid to counter-balance that by pretending that what's past is past, and we should embrace sAviOr with open arms now. It doesn't matter if dickheads like Justin were more heavily involved in these match-fixing business, sAviOr was meant to be the chosen one, the guy everybody expected to be the next e-Sports superstar after in a manner similar to BoxeR, but instead he threw it all away, and the level of betrayal was beyond repair. I really don't know why being blase about it somehow makes people feel better, when almost every single one of us here would have much rather prefered to see the Starcraft scene flourish like in the past, rather than watch it degrade to a casual level, with a washed-up, unapologetic sell-out like sAviOr being the centre of attention. It may be overboard to witch-hunt sAviOr every single moment available, but the guy just asks to be hounded upon with his attitude, and I have nearly zero sympathy with someone who savours being the "controversial" figurehead of the community and profits off that, and brings down the level of people surrounding him. He is a cancerous being, and what started off as a simple mistake for an inexperienced kid, has evolved into something far more toxic. There's nothing about the guy right now that reminds me of the genius who gave the scene a breath of fresh air, and looked like the one who would take the scene to the next level.
As a person, I am extremely sympathetic to Savior for the reasons you gave. He probably had no interest in leading the e-sports scene. In fact, we can all agree that he received all of the negative implication from this unfairly and that many guiltier and more responsible parties were never brought to justice. For these reasons, I consider his particular situation the greatest individual tragedy.
However, my personal interest is that the afreeca streams cause a revival of interest in BW. This CANNOT happen if Savior is involved plain and simple.
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On October 10 2013 20:29 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 20:28 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 20:27 konadora wrote:On October 10 2013 20:26 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 20:25 konadora wrote:On October 10 2013 20:12 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 20:06 Subversive wrote:On October 10 2013 19:22 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 19:18 Talin wrote:On October 10 2013 18:36 Stratos wrote:
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There is more than enough indication that it played some role in gathering sponsorship for the leagues that were to follow. Whether the indications are correct or the main cause was different is up for discussion, but you don't expect me to do the work for you and provide the sources if all you do is give random statements like that, right? I don't want to have that discussion anyway.
The simple truth is that Savior's actions caused some amount of damage to the entirety of the Brood War scene. I couldn't care less about exact numbers, but as it is, I find him still milking the remaining scene absurd and crude. That's all I have to say on this matter, I'll be leaving the discussion now as I hope it dies away sooner rather than later and Savior finally moves on. All the heavyweight sponsors continued supporting BW for up to 2 years after the match fixing scandal. That alone invalidates your point. If the Telecoms, Samsung and Shinhan Bank thought that there's nothing wrong with supporting the scene post-matchfixing and continued to actively associate their brands with Brood War as if nothing bad ever happened, matchfixing would obviously not be enough to deter any other company from entering the scene if they ever had any intent of doing so. It's just convenient to dump everything on one guy's back and pretend the future would have been all milk and honey if only he hadn't done what he did. MBC would still be a gaming channel, Kespa would have never taken all the teams and players over to SC2, and nobody in Korea would give a shit about League of Legends today. thats pretty much the fucking truth when it comes to business, from my own personal experience, koreans always act like douches and hypocrits what oov said is so so so korean .... Do you have to bash Koreans every other sentence? Tone it down please. you could bash french ppl all day long i'd hardly give a fuck and i dont bash koreans every fucking sentence im actually living with one edit : and i'm so sorry to despise korean culture and dismiss it as a whole, because there's nothing really to gloat about in it and hardly anything's worthwhile to keep (maybe the food ?) ..? wow is it really a crime to be proud of my own culture i dont see people bashing on french (not that you seem to care) actually cultural pride is the anti chamber of nationalism and yes beeing proud of your own culture is actually a pretty shitty attitude to have i am genuinely speechless. that's the best way to learn lmao
I guess it's hard to make people that elected the daughter of a bloody dictator for their own president understand what's actually wrong with thinking your own culture is virtuous / good...
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konadora
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On October 10 2013 20:33 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 20:29 konadora wrote:On October 10 2013 20:28 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 20:27 konadora wrote:On October 10 2013 20:26 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 20:25 konadora wrote:On October 10 2013 20:12 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 20:06 Subversive wrote:On October 10 2013 19:22 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 19:18 Talin wrote:
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All the heavyweight sponsors continued supporting BW for up to 2 years after the match fixing scandal. That alone invalidates your point.
If the Telecoms, Samsung and Shinhan Bank thought that there's nothing wrong with supporting the scene post-matchfixing and continued to actively associate their brands with Brood War as if nothing bad ever happened, matchfixing would obviously not be enough to deter any other company from entering the scene if they ever had any intent of doing so.
It's just convenient to dump everything on one guy's back and pretend the future would have been all milk and honey if only he hadn't done what he did. MBC would still be a gaming channel, Kespa would have never taken all the teams and players over to SC2, and nobody in Korea would give a shit about League of Legends today. thats pretty much the fucking truth when it comes to business, from my own personal experience, koreans always act like douches and hypocrits what oov said is so so so korean .... Do you have to bash Koreans every other sentence? Tone it down please. you could bash french ppl all day long i'd hardly give a fuck and i dont bash koreans every fucking sentence im actually living with one edit : and i'm so sorry to despise korean culture and dismiss it as a whole, because there's nothing really to gloat about in it and hardly anything's worthwhile to keep (maybe the food ?) ..? wow is it really a crime to be proud of my own culture i dont see people bashing on french (not that you seem to care) actually cultural pride is the anti chamber of nationalism and yes beeing proud of your own culture is actually a pretty shitty attitude to have i am genuinely speechless. that's the best way to learn lmao I guess it's hard to make people that elected the daughter of a bloody dictator for their own president understand what's actually wrong with thinking your own culture is virtuous / good...
i didn't vote for her. fyi.
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On October 10 2013 20:33 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 20:33 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 20:29 konadora wrote:On October 10 2013 20:28 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 20:27 konadora wrote:On October 10 2013 20:26 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 20:25 konadora wrote:On October 10 2013 20:12 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 20:06 Subversive wrote:On October 10 2013 19:22 Boonbag wrote:
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thats pretty much the fucking truth
when it comes to business, from my own personal experience, koreans always act like douches and hypocrits
what oov said is so so so korean ....
Do you have to bash Koreans every other sentence? Tone it down please. you could bash french ppl all day long i'd hardly give a fuck and i dont bash koreans every fucking sentence im actually living with one edit : and i'm so sorry to despise korean culture and dismiss it as a whole, because there's nothing really to gloat about in it and hardly anything's worthwhile to keep (maybe the food ?) ..? wow is it really a crime to be proud of my own culture i dont see people bashing on french (not that you seem to care) actually cultural pride is the anti chamber of nationalism and yes beeing proud of your own culture is actually a pretty shitty attitude to have i am genuinely speechless. that's the best way to learn lmao I guess it's hard to make people that elected the daughter of a bloody dictator for their own president understand what's actually wrong with thinking your own culture is virtuous / good... i didn't vote for her. fyi.
that's not the point.....
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
On October 10 2013 20:33 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 20:33 konadora wrote:On October 10 2013 20:33 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 20:29 konadora wrote:On October 10 2013 20:28 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 20:27 konadora wrote:On October 10 2013 20:26 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 20:25 konadora wrote:On October 10 2013 20:12 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 20:06 Subversive wrote:
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Do you have to bash Koreans every other sentence? Tone it down please. you could bash french ppl all day long i'd hardly give a fuck and i dont bash koreans every fucking sentence im actually living with one edit : and i'm so sorry to despise korean culture and dismiss it as a whole, because there's nothing really to gloat about in it and hardly anything's worthwhile to keep (maybe the food ?) ..? wow is it really a crime to be proud of my own culture i dont see people bashing on french (not that you seem to care) actually cultural pride is the anti chamber of nationalism and yes beeing proud of your own culture is actually a pretty shitty attitude to have i am genuinely speechless. that's the best way to learn lmao I guess it's hard to make people that elected the daughter of a bloody dictator for their own president understand what's actually wrong with thinking your own culture is virtuous / good... i didn't vote for her. fyi. that's not the point.....
when you are generalising the entire population, yes it is.
i'm not even going to continue this anymore. whatever man.
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On October 10 2013 20:12 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 20:06 Subversive wrote:On October 10 2013 19:22 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 19:18 Talin wrote:On October 10 2013 18:36 Stratos wrote:On October 10 2013 18:10 Talin wrote:On October 10 2013 17:27 Stratos wrote:
Thanks to Savior's greed, the scene that's left today can only support so many players. I would like those who talk about forgiving Savior to think about that and realize that they're supporting the guy who helped destroy the careers of many young players who looked up to him as their senior and hero. The effects of the scandal are blown way out of proportion in the big picture. There is literally zero indication that anything would be different today if match fixing had not happened. The players involved destroyed mostly their own careers and little else. There is more than enough indication that it played some role in gathering sponsorship for the leagues that were to follow. Whether the indications are correct or the main cause was different is up for discussion, but you don't expect me to do the work for you and provide the sources if all you do is give random statements like that, right? I don't want to have that discussion anyway. The simple truth is that Savior's actions caused some amount of damage to the entirety of the Brood War scene. I couldn't care less about exact numbers, but as it is, I find him still milking the remaining scene absurd and crude. That's all I have to say on this matter, I'll be leaving the discussion now as I hope it dies away sooner rather than later and Savior finally moves on. All the heavyweight sponsors continued supporting BW for up to 2 years after the match fixing scandal. That alone invalidates your point. If the Telecoms, Samsung and Shinhan Bank thought that there's nothing wrong with supporting the scene post-matchfixing and continued to actively associate their brands with Brood War as if nothing bad ever happened, matchfixing would obviously not be enough to deter any other company from entering the scene if they ever had any intent of doing so. It's just convenient to dump everything on one guy's back and pretend the future would have been all milk and honey if only he hadn't done what he did. MBC would still be a gaming channel, Kespa would have never taken all the teams and players over to SC2, and nobody in Korea would give a shit about League of Legends today. thats pretty much the fucking truth when it comes to business, from my own personal experience, koreans always act like douches and hypocrits what oov said is so so so korean .... Do you have to bash Koreans every other sentence? Tone it down please. i'm so sorry to despise korean culture and dismiss it as a whole, because there's nothing really to gloat about in it and hardly anything's worthwhile to keep (maybe the food ?)
lol you're such a bigot, there's good and bad in korean culture. Respect for elders and community, service, eating together and the respect for teachers and the law just to name a few. There's bad shit too but there are negatives with any culture.
On October 10 2013 20:26 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 20:25 konadora wrote:On October 10 2013 20:12 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 20:06 Subversive wrote:On October 10 2013 19:22 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 19:18 Talin wrote:On October 10 2013 18:36 Stratos wrote:On October 10 2013 18:10 Talin wrote:On October 10 2013 17:27 Stratos wrote:
Thanks to Savior's greed, the scene that's left today can only support so many players. I would like those who talk about forgiving Savior to think about that and realize that they're supporting the guy who helped destroy the careers of many young players who looked up to him as their senior and hero. The effects of the scandal are blown way out of proportion in the big picture. There is literally zero indication that anything would be different today if match fixing had not happened. The players involved destroyed mostly their own careers and little else. There is more than enough indication that it played some role in gathering sponsorship for the leagues that were to follow. Whether the indications are correct or the main cause was different is up for discussion, but you don't expect me to do the work for you and provide the sources if all you do is give random statements like that, right? I don't want to have that discussion anyway. The simple truth is that Savior's actions caused some amount of damage to the entirety of the Brood War scene. I couldn't care less about exact numbers, but as it is, I find him still milking the remaining scene absurd and crude. That's all I have to say on this matter, I'll be leaving the discussion now as I hope it dies away sooner rather than later and Savior finally moves on. All the heavyweight sponsors continued supporting BW for up to 2 years after the match fixing scandal. That alone invalidates your point. If the Telecoms, Samsung and Shinhan Bank thought that there's nothing wrong with supporting the scene post-matchfixing and continued to actively associate their brands with Brood War as if nothing bad ever happened, matchfixing would obviously not be enough to deter any other company from entering the scene if they ever had any intent of doing so. It's just convenient to dump everything on one guy's back and pretend the future would have been all milk and honey if only he hadn't done what he did. MBC would still be a gaming channel, Kespa would have never taken all the teams and players over to SC2, and nobody in Korea would give a shit about League of Legends today. thats pretty much the fucking truth when it comes to business, from my own personal experience, koreans always act like douches and hypocrits what oov said is so so so korean .... Do you have to bash Koreans every other sentence? Tone it down please. you could bash french ppl all day long i'd hardly give a fuck and i dont bash koreans every fucking sentence im actually living with one edit : and i'm so sorry to despise korean culture and dismiss it as a whole, because there's nothing really to gloat about in it and hardly anything's worthwhile to keep (maybe the food ?) ..? wow is it really a crime to be proud of my own culture i dont see people bashing on french (not that you seem to care) and yes beeing proud of your own culture is actually a pretty shitty attitude to have
wtf is wrong with you
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On October 10 2013 20:38 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 20:12 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 20:06 Subversive wrote:On October 10 2013 19:22 Boonbag wrote:On October 10 2013 19:18 Talin wrote:On October 10 2013 18:36 Stratos wrote:On October 10 2013 18:10 Talin wrote:On October 10 2013 17:27 Stratos wrote:
Thanks to Savior's greed, the scene that's left today can only support so many players. I would like those who talk about forgiving Savior to think about that and realize that they're supporting the guy who helped destroy the careers of many young players who looked up to him as their senior and hero. The effects of the scandal are blown way out of proportion in the big picture. There is literally zero indication that anything would be different today if match fixing had not happened. The players involved destroyed mostly their own careers and little else. There is more than enough indication that it played some role in gathering sponsorship for the leagues that were to follow. Whether the indications are correct or the main cause was different is up for discussion, but you don't expect me to do the work for you and provide the sources if all you do is give random statements like that, right? I don't want to have that discussion anyway. The simple truth is that Savior's actions caused some amount of damage to the entirety of the Brood War scene. I couldn't care less about exact numbers, but as it is, I find him still milking the remaining scene absurd and crude. That's all I have to say on this matter, I'll be leaving the discussion now as I hope it dies away sooner rather than later and Savior finally moves on. All the heavyweight sponsors continued supporting BW for up to 2 years after the match fixing scandal. That alone invalidates your point. If the Telecoms, Samsung and Shinhan Bank thought that there's nothing wrong with supporting the scene post-matchfixing and continued to actively associate their brands with Brood War as if nothing bad ever happened, matchfixing would obviously not be enough to deter any other company from entering the scene if they ever had any intent of doing so. It's just convenient to dump everything on one guy's back and pretend the future would have been all milk and honey if only he hadn't done what he did. MBC would still be a gaming channel, Kespa would have never taken all the teams and players over to SC2, and nobody in Korea would give a shit about League of Legends today. thats pretty much the fucking truth when it comes to business, from my own personal experience, koreans always act like douches and hypocrits what oov said is so so so korean .... Do you have to bash Koreans every other sentence? Tone it down please. i'm so sorry to despise korean culture and dismiss it as a whole, because there's nothing really to gloat about in it and hardly anything's worthwhile to keep (maybe the food ?) lol you're such a bigot, there's good and bad in korean culture. Respect for elders and community, service, eating together and the respect for teachers and the law just to name a few. There's bad shit too but there are negatives with any culture.
hahaah what you just mentioned as the "good" traits is basically what i despise
now i understand where you ppl stand
deep right into the national propaganda that did so much wrong and made so many ppl suffer in korea
i know what i'm talking first hand and you obviously don't sir
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Can you guys continue this somewhere else? I am not interested in what you have to say, nor do I want this thread to turn into a public shaming.
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