EPTiloveoov talks Bisu's possible relation with sAviO - Page 11
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heaveshade
China330 Posts
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On October 10 2013 21:48 heaveshade wrote: can we say iloveoov was flamed quite a bit by mistake? I am still puzzled. Evidently there's quite a bit of irrational hatred for anything SC2 related, to where any player / coach / manager / grandma / pet gopher who even touches SC2 is immediately the biggest asshole on the universe and responsible for the downfall of BW, regardless of whether or not they contributed to the development of BW and even though every major BW figure who wasn't retired with the exception of Midas transitioned over to SC2. Also there's a whole bunch of Savior sympathizers. Make of that what you will. | ||
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Caladbolg
2855 Posts
I just have one thing to say: I don't hate Savior. But the fact that someone like Xellos exists, who sacrificed so much for his team, his coach, and gave it his all but never earned as much as Savior, was never as praised as Savior, and was never treated like a superstar, makes Savior anathema to anything good about Broodwar. | ||
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AssiRoyal
Germany216 Posts
the thing is that savior didnt even try to excuse himself in the slightest. he never came forward and tried to apologize to the broodwar scene. thats why you should treat him as an outcast. obviously he contributed at least as much to the scene as he took away, but just leaving it by that and allowing him slowly to creep his way into a level of acceptance is not possible to tolerate without him apologizing and saying what went actually down during the match-fixing scandal from his point of view. so iloveoov is right about asking bisu not to play savior and is actually right when condemning players like hiya, shuttle and whoever played him for giving savior the exposure that he does not deserve my 2 cents | ||
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shaftofpleasure
Korea (North)1375 Posts
On October 10 2013 21:55 Caihead wrote: Evidently there's quite a bit of irrational hatred for anything SC2 related, to where any player / coach / manager / grandma / pet gopher A pet gopher is associated to SC2? would love to see that. some people aren't so forgiving like others, still that doesn't change the fact that savior still has a shitty persona for not having to apologize for what he did especially to the players he manipulated and ultimately got fired by it in a shameful manner. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
I can understand why certain individuals for games like LoL would do the things they do on stream. Like watching their subscribers play, playing games with their subscribers, doing giveaways for RP/skins. If there is one feature Justin.TV/Twitch does right it's their roll feature. It makes sense especially when you have around 20k or above people tuning in. | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On October 10 2013 21:57 AssiRoyal wrote: IMO iloveoov has a point... the thing is that savior didnt even try to excuse himself in the slightest. he never came forward and tried to apologize to the broodwar scene. thats why you should treat him as an outcast. obviously he contributed at least as much to the scene as he took away, but just leaving it by that and allowing him slowly to creep his way into a level of acceptance is not possible to tolerate without him apologizing and saying what went actually down during the match-fixing scandal from his point of view. so iloveoov is right about asking bisu not to play savior and is actually right when condemning players like hiya, shuttle and whoever played him for giving savior the exposure that he does not deserve my 2 cents i was under the impression that he did issue some sort of apology but i guess not lol i feel like theres something more endearing about not apologizing in this case he's only sorry that he was careless and greedy getting too many ppl involved and to get caught, he does not feel guilty about the act lol atleast he's not faking it with some b.s. apology | ||
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heaveshade
China330 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On October 10 2013 22:21 Rekrul wrote: i was under the impression that he did issue some sort of apology but i guess not lol i feel like theres something more endearing about not apologizing in this case he's only sorry that he was careless and greedy getting too many ppl involved and to get caught, he does not feel guilty about the act lol atleast he's not faking it with some b.s. apology Pretty much. As for the other guy. My post was with regards to the clarification in the OP, where they said that oov wasn't fond of all the retired players streaming BW on afreeca. If it falls into white_horse's interpretation, which I was led to believe at first myself when reading it. Then my first point still stands. In either case, it's a very KeSPAian stance oov is taking and that's all we can truly say. | ||
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REDBLUEGREEN
Germany1904 Posts
On October 10 2013 21:22 Vegetarian Wolf wrote: this thread manages to combine bw vs sc2, savior, and bonjwa discussion all in one this is amazing Also korean culture. But what could you expect this is a useless drama/gossip topic with no value for real discussion, so the best thing to do is just add a little oil to the flames and watch some gossip girls taking it seriously :D UUUiii person A said he won't like person B anymore if he plays with person C. Seriously A+ highschool girl gossip :D | ||
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oBlade
United States6119 Posts
But here and now, given the choice between being able to watch two top BW players and not being able to watch them (keeping in mind you don't have to watch if you don't want to), the choice is obvious as to which one is better. How can people playing BW hurt BW? Why is such a boss like iloveoov even wasting his time commenting about teamless amateurs? | ||
disciple
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On October 10 2013 22:58 disciple wrote: Would be cool if savior manipulated Bisu into sc2 retirement telling him he can make more money streaming bw I think i never saw an admin trolling. Do i get a TL achievement ? | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24603 Posts
On October 10 2013 22:58 disciple wrote: Would be cool if savior manipulated Bisu into sc2 retirement telling him he can make more money streaming bw Thus saving Brood War? Inception! | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On October 10 2013 23:08 FFW_Rude wrote: I think i never saw an admin trolling. Do i get a TL achievement ? dude it's disciple, go open any old KT vs SKT thread from like 2008-2010 | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On October 10 2013 23:08 FFW_Rude wrote: I think i never saw an admin trolling. Do i get a TL achievement ? Hot_bid...? also, what Caihead said LOL, he had me pissed off more than a few times | ||
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Cuce
Turkey1127 Posts
Oov reaction might be severe, but that doesnt mean bisu is not at fault | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On October 10 2013 23:28 Caihead wrote: dude it's disciple, go open any old KT vs SKT thread from like 2008-2010 Oh... that is ringing a bell... i will have to check as i was not posting at the time (not register) but lurking the threads cursing SKT... | ||
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shaftofpleasure
Korea (North)1375 Posts
On October 10 2013 23:36 Cuce wrote: I cant see a possible justification to play a stream match with one who shall not be named, yet alone a showmatch. Oov reaction might be severe, but that doesnt mean bisu is not at fault wow this is like making Bisu, harry potter and Savior, voldy and oov as snape and bisu's mother is BW where voldy kills BW .. | ||
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Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
On October 10 2013 17:24 radadaundandan wrote: Everyone makes mistakes. Forgiveness is the key my friends. Forgiveness doesn't mean you should take no precautions and do nothing to punish though. Some kind of punishment is necessary to prevent similar things from happening in the future. I think everybody should forgive savior but still he should not be allowed to make money off progaming anymore. He should try to do something else. | ||
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