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Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
October 10 2013 11:43 GMT
#181
On October 10 2013 20:30 Pathos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2013 20:20 Letmelose wrote:
On October 10 2013 19:45 Highways wrote:
Didn't sAviOr beat iloveoovs 27 win streak vs Zerg?


It was July.

Also, I'd take what iloveoov has to say with a grain of salt. He was far from exemplary himself, and always had these kind of tendencies to talk brashly without giving things too much thought. That being said, it's stupid to counter-balance that by pretending that what's past is past, and we should embrace sAviOr with open arms now. It doesn't matter if dickheads like Justin were more heavily involved in these match-fixing business, sAviOr was meant to be the chosen one, the guy everybody expected to be the next e-Sports superstar after in a manner similar to BoxeR, but instead he threw it all away, and the level of betrayal was beyond repair. I really don't know why being blase about it somehow makes people feel better, when almost every single one of us here would have much rather prefered to see the Starcraft scene flourish like in the past, rather than watch it degrade to a casual level, with a washed-up, unapologetic sell-out like sAviOr being the centre of attention. It may be overboard to witch-hunt sAviOr every single moment available, but the guy just asks to be hounded upon with his attitude, and I have nearly zero sympathy with someone who savours being the "controversial" figurehead of the community and profits off that, and brings down the level of people surrounding him. He is a cancerous being, and what started off as a simple mistake for an inexperienced kid, has evolved into something far more toxic. There's nothing about the guy right now that reminds me of the genius who gave the scene a breath of fresh air, and looked like the one who would take the scene to the next level.


As a person, I am extremely sympathetic to Savior for the reasons you gave. He probably had no interest in leading the e-sports scene. In fact, we can all agree that he received all of the negative implication from this unfairly and that many guiltier and more responsible parties were never brought to justice. For these reasons, I consider his particular situation the greatest individual tragedy.

However, my personal interest is that the afreeca streams cause a revival of interest in BW. This CANNOT happen if Savior is involved plain and simple.


He was interested in getting more pussy, getting expensive brands, and gave zero fucks about the people who looked up to him, the coach who ensured he would get the best treatment available, and the media who hyped him up as the greatest thing since sliced bread. He was extremely fortunate to get the treatment he got, and he just took everything he got for granted, and spit on the faces of the people who raised him up on a pedestal, so much so, that people today even remember more fondly on the days when he was actually good, more so than any other gamer in my recollection.

There are guys who literally gave it their all, people who stuck with their team, sharing their prize money to keep the dream alive, and what kind of credit do you think they're getting? Nothing at all. What sAviOr contributed to the scene is incredibly negligable, and the damage he caused as literally the biggest name in e-Sports behind BoxeR, and perhaps YellOw, way outscales anything he has done.

You're talking about a guy who took everything he had for granted, and used it to get more money for himself, and coerced others just for his benefit alone. And he continues to profit off his self-centred behaviour due to people who simply like these kind of stupid as fuck dramas, over the real heroes who don't bother stooping to sAviOr's level, even if it would give them the extra dough. Fuck sAviOr. People should cry over real tragedies, not this prick who wouldn't care one iota for sympathetic people such as yourself if it didn't make him a single dime richer.

I don't even feel that strongly about shutting sAviOr down, but this kind of revision of what sAviOr has done, and why he is underappreciated makes me sick to the stomach. He was a scumbag, and still is one today, and all he cares about is himself. If you want to be a bitch, and soak in all that drama, and love him for the "tragic, dark hero" like a chick, then go ahead, but please keep that to yourself, and don't post that kind of crap here.
TL+ Member
iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1656 Posts
October 10 2013 11:44 GMT
#182
Even in disgrace sAviOr has more fame than oov. People are moving on, haterz gonna hate. Maybe TL should recruit oov, they like this ban life shit mentality.


No coward soul is mine, No trembler in the world's storm-troubled sphere, I see Heaven's glories shine, And Faith shines equal arming me from Fear
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5497 Posts
October 10 2013 11:47 GMT
#183
On October 10 2013 19:08 Operations wrote:
sc2 supporters aren't much better than match fixers. iloveoov should shut his mouth

IMO savior should have a second chance to redeem himself, and if its by teaching new players his knowledge, who are we to criticize him?

Does anybody find it funny that the discussion in this thread revolves around a:

- a Terran Bonjwa
- a Zerg Bonjwa
and a Protoss Near-Bonjwa
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
Pathos
Profile Joined April 2003
United States94 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-10 11:57:41
October 10 2013 11:47 GMT
#184
On October 10 2013 20:43 Letmelose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2013 20:30 Pathos wrote:
On October 10 2013 20:20 Letmelose wrote:
On October 10 2013 19:45 Highways wrote:
Didn't sAviOr beat iloveoovs 27 win streak vs Zerg?


It was July.

Also, I'd take what iloveoov has to say with a grain of salt. He was far from exemplary himself, and always had these kind of tendencies to talk brashly without giving things too much thought. That being said, it's stupid to counter-balance that by pretending that what's past is past, and we should embrace sAviOr with open arms now. It doesn't matter if dickheads like Justin were more heavily involved in these match-fixing business, sAviOr was meant to be the chosen one, the guy everybody expected to be the next e-Sports superstar after in a manner similar to BoxeR, but instead he threw it all away, and the level of betrayal was beyond repair. I really don't know why being blase about it somehow makes people feel better, when almost every single one of us here would have much rather prefered to see the Starcraft scene flourish like in the past, rather than watch it degrade to a casual level, with a washed-up, unapologetic sell-out like sAviOr being the centre of attention. It may be overboard to witch-hunt sAviOr every single moment available, but the guy just asks to be hounded upon with his attitude, and I have nearly zero sympathy with someone who savours being the "controversial" figurehead of the community and profits off that, and brings down the level of people surrounding him. He is a cancerous being, and what started off as a simple mistake for an inexperienced kid, has evolved into something far more toxic. There's nothing about the guy right now that reminds me of the genius who gave the scene a breath of fresh air, and looked like the one who would take the scene to the next level.


As a person, I am extremely sympathetic to Savior for the reasons you gave. He probably had no interest in leading the e-sports scene. In fact, we can all agree that he received all of the negative implication from this unfairly and that many guiltier and more responsible parties were never brought to justice. For these reasons, I consider his particular situation the greatest individual tragedy.

However, my personal interest is that the afreeca streams cause a revival of interest in BW. This CANNOT happen if Savior is involved plain and simple.


He was interested in getting more pussy, getting expensive brands, and gave zero fucks about the people who looked up to him, the coach who ensured he would get the best treatment available, and the media who hyped him up as the greatest thing since sliced bread. He was extremely fortunate to get the treatment he got, and he just took everything he got for granted, and spit on the faces of the people who raised him up on a pedestal, so much so, that people today even remember more fondly on the days when he was actually good, more so than any other gamer in my recollection.

There are guys who literally gave it their all, people who stuck with their team, sharing their prize money to keep the dream alive, and what kind of credit do you think they're getting? Nothing at all. What sAviOr contributed to the scene is incredibly negligable, and the damage he caused as literally the biggest name in e-Sports behind BoxeR, and perhaps YellOw, way outscales anything he has done.

You're talking about a guy who took everything he had for granted, and used it to get more money for himself, and coerced others just for his benefit alone. And he continues to profit off his self-centred behaviour due to people who simply like these kind of stupid as fuck dramas, over the real heroes who don't bother stooping to sAviOr's level, even if it would give them the extra dough. Fuck sAviOr. People should cry over real tragedies, not this prick who wouldn't care one iota for sympathetic people such as yourself if it didn't make him a single dime richer.

I don't even feel that strongly about shutting sAviOr down, but this kind of revision of what sAviOr has done, and why he is underappreciated makes me sick to the stomach. He was a scumbag, and still is one today, and all he cares about is himself. If you want to be a bitch, and soak in all that drama, and love him for the "tragic, dark hero" like a chick, then go ahead, but please keep that to yourself, and don't post that kind of crap here.


Yes, I agree. I am merely saying that I personally am not striking out at him out of moral wrath. But for all the reasons you just mentioned, he should disappear completely from e-sports.

I personally am annoyed because I think a lot of the sympathy is the fact that foreigners idolize him as the Zerg messiah. Like literally view him as a fallen angel hero rebelling against all the Terran domination of the competitive scene. LIke literally, it seems like some people can not separate the player from the person. If this were a b-teamer or even another Terran champion, no one would defend him.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44230 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-10 11:50:19
October 10 2013 11:49 GMT
#185
On October 10 2013 08:08 GGzerG wrote:
Hmm....this is kinda sad, I don't think Bisu should be treated wrongly for wanting to play vs sAviOr, I mean hell, who wouldn't want to play vs sAviOr ? It's like the final evil boss to beat in BW. :O

i really dont understand why we felt that savior was the evil boss while JD is the Hero .. where they do the same thing .. stand on top of the zerg race

and yep savior might still be broken in terms of zvp
this is a quote
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44230 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-10 11:52:47
October 10 2013 11:50 GMT
#186
On October 10 2013 20:47 thezanursic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2013 19:08 Operations wrote:
sc2 supporters aren't much better than match fixers. iloveoov should shut his mouth

IMO savior should have a second chance to redeem himself, and if its by teaching new players his knowledge, who are we to criticize him?

Does anybody find it funny that the discussion in this thread revolves around a:

- a Terran Bonjwa
- a Zerg Bonjwa
and a Protoss Near-Bonjwa


so many bonjwa

the weirder part is that

the terran bonjwa dominating streak was ended by the zerg bonjwa that also his dominating streak was ended by the Protoss near-bonjwa
this is a quote
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5497 Posts
October 10 2013 11:55 GMT
#187
On October 10 2013 20:50 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2013 20:47 thezanursic wrote:
On October 10 2013 19:08 Operations wrote:
sc2 supporters aren't much better than match fixers. iloveoov should shut his mouth

IMO savior should have a second chance to redeem himself, and if its by teaching new players his knowledge, who are we to criticize him?

Does anybody find it funny that the discussion in this thread revolves around a:

- a Terran Bonjwa
- a Zerg Bonjwa
and a Protoss Near-Bonjwa


so many bonjwa

the weirder part is that

the terran bonjwa dominating streak was ended by the zerg bonjwa that also his dominating streak was ended by the Protoss near-bonjwa

Hahahahaha. All we need now is FlaSh putting forward his thoughts.
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
jormal1ty
Profile Joined November 2011
Finland72 Posts
October 10 2013 11:57 GMT
#188
Looks like oov is actually pretty stupid, saying bisu is on same level with savior.
stream warrior
iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1656 Posts
October 10 2013 11:58 GMT
#189
On October 10 2013 20:47 Pathos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2013 20:43 Letmelose wrote:
On October 10 2013 20:30 Pathos wrote:
On October 10 2013 20:20 Letmelose wrote:
On October 10 2013 19:45 Highways wrote:
Didn't sAviOr beat iloveoovs 27 win streak vs Zerg?


It was July.

Also, I'd take what iloveoov has to say with a grain of salt. He was far from exemplary himself, and always had these kind of tendencies to talk brashly without giving things too much thought. That being said, it's stupid to counter-balance that by pretending that what's past is past, and we should embrace sAviOr with open arms now. It doesn't matter if dickheads like Justin were more heavily involved in these match-fixing business, sAviOr was meant to be the chosen one, the guy everybody expected to be the next e-Sports superstar after in a manner similar to BoxeR, but instead he threw it all away, and the level of betrayal was beyond repair. I really don't know why being blase about it somehow makes people feel better, when almost every single one of us here would have much rather prefered to see the Starcraft scene flourish like in the past, rather than watch it degrade to a casual level, with a washed-up, unapologetic sell-out like sAviOr being the centre of attention. It may be overboard to witch-hunt sAviOr every single moment available, but the guy just asks to be hounded upon with his attitude, and I have nearly zero sympathy with someone who savours being the "controversial" figurehead of the community and profits off that, and brings down the level of people surrounding him. He is a cancerous being, and what started off as a simple mistake for an inexperienced kid, has evolved into something far more toxic. There's nothing about the guy right now that reminds me of the genius who gave the scene a breath of fresh air, and looked like the one who would take the scene to the next level.


As a person, I am extremely sympathetic to Savior for the reasons you gave. He probably had no interest in leading the e-sports scene. In fact, we can all agree that he received all of the negative implication from this unfairly and that many guiltier and more responsible parties were never brought to justice. For these reasons, I consider his particular situation the greatest individual tragedy.

However, my personal interest is that the afreeca streams cause a revival of interest in BW. This CANNOT happen if Savior is involved plain and simple.


He was interested in getting more pussy, getting expensive brands, and gave zero fucks about the people who looked up to him, the coach who ensured he would get the best treatment available, and the media who hyped him up as the greatest thing since sliced bread. He was extremely fortunate to get the treatment he got, and he just took everything he got for granted, and spit on the faces of the people who raised him up on a pedestal, so much so, that people today even remember more fondly on the days when he was actually good, more so than any other gamer in my recollection.

There are guys who literally gave it their all, people who stuck with their team, sharing their prize money to keep the dream alive, and what kind of credit do you think they're getting? Nothing at all. What sAviOr contributed to the scene is incredibly negligable, and the damage he caused as literally the biggest name in e-Sports behind BoxeR, and perhaps YellOw, way outscales anything he has done.

You're talking about a guy who took everything he had for granted, and used it to get more money for himself, and coerced others just for his benefit alone. And he continues to profit off his self-centred behaviour due to people who simply like these kind of stupid as fuck dramas, over the real heroes who don't bother stooping to sAviOr's level, even if it would give them the extra dough. Fuck sAviOr. People should cry over real tragedies, not this prick who wouldn't care one iota for sympathetic people such as yourself if it didn't make him a single dime richer.

I don't even feel that strongly about shutting sAviOr down, but this kind of revision of what sAviOr has done, and why he is underappreciated makes me sick to the stomach. He was a scumbag, and still is one today, and all he cares about is himself. If you want to be a bitch, and soak in all that drama, and love him for the "tragic, dark hero" like a chick, then go ahead, but please keep that to yourself, and don't post that kind of crap here.


Yes, I agree. I am merely saying that I personally am not striking out at him out of moral wrath. But for all the reasons you just mentioned, he should disappear completely from e-sports.

I personally am annoyed because I think a lot of the sympathy is the fact that foreigners idolize him as the Zerg messiah. Like literally view him as a fallen angel hero rebelling against all the Terran domination of the competitive scene.


Afreeca stream is not e-sport, being a progamer is e-sport, if you don't like the idea of Bisu streaming his game vs sAviOr then it means you don't want sAviOr (i like to type his name properly, does it bother you? i hope it does) to be on Afreeca and that goes farther than just talking about e-sport. Haterz like you are the reason why sAviOr is so popular now, giving too much attention to a matter that is no more, transparency is the best at this point, it's not relevant to talk about this drama, the more you give importance the more you end up with thread like this. LIKE WE FUCKIN CARE SERIOUSLY ABOUT OOV OPINION ON WHY BISU WOULD PLAY SAVIOR? You haterz are the only one that care in fact.
No coward soul is mine, No trembler in the world's storm-troubled sphere, I see Heaven's glories shine, And Faith shines equal arming me from Fear
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44230 Posts
October 10 2013 12:07 GMT
#190
On October 10 2013 12:55 wptlzkwjd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2013 12:13 Dr.Ultralisk wrote:
Sigh, Savior, when can he ever live a normal life.


When he builds a time machine and goes back in time and beats Bisu for his 4th MSL title.

firebathero might be a bonjwa if that happens
this is a quote
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44230 Posts
October 10 2013 12:08 GMT
#191
On October 10 2013 20:55 thezanursic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2013 20:50 goody153 wrote:
On October 10 2013 20:47 thezanursic wrote:
On October 10 2013 19:08 Operations wrote:
sc2 supporters aren't much better than match fixers. iloveoov should shut his mouth

IMO savior should have a second chance to redeem himself, and if its by teaching new players his knowledge, who are we to criticize him?

Does anybody find it funny that the discussion in this thread revolves around a:

- a Terran Bonjwa
- a Zerg Bonjwa
and a Protoss Near-Bonjwa


so many bonjwa

the weirder part is that

the terran bonjwa dominating streak was ended by the zerg bonjwa that also his dominating streak was ended by the Protoss near-bonjwa

Hahahahaha. All we need now is FlaSh putting forward his thoughts.


dont forget the dong
this is a quote
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
October 10 2013 12:09 GMT
#192
On October 10 2013 20:43 Letmelose wrote:
What sAviOr contributed to the scene is incredibly negligable, and the damage he caused as literally the biggest name in e-Sports behind BoxeR, and perhaps YellOw, way outscales anything he has done.


dude wrote the book on defiler/nydus play

way more huge than some silly scandal imo
why so 진지해?
Pathos
Profile Joined April 2003
United States94 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-10 12:22:55
October 10 2013 12:16 GMT
#193
On October 10 2013 20:58 iFU.pauline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2013 20:47 Pathos wrote:
On October 10 2013 20:43 Letmelose wrote:
On October 10 2013 20:30 Pathos wrote:
On October 10 2013 20:20 Letmelose wrote:
On October 10 2013 19:45 Highways wrote:
Didn't sAviOr beat iloveoovs 27 win streak vs Zerg?


It was July.

Also, I'd take what iloveoov has to say with a grain of salt. He was far from exemplary himself, and always had these kind of tendencies to talk brashly without giving things too much thought. That being said, it's stupid to counter-balance that by pretending that what's past is past, and we should embrace sAviOr with open arms now. It doesn't matter if dickheads like Justin were more heavily involved in these match-fixing business, sAviOr was meant to be the chosen one, the guy everybody expected to be the next e-Sports superstar after in a manner similar to BoxeR, but instead he threw it all away, and the level of betrayal was beyond repair. I really don't know why being blase about it somehow makes people feel better, when almost every single one of us here would have much rather prefered to see the Starcraft scene flourish like in the past, rather than watch it degrade to a casual level, with a washed-up, unapologetic sell-out like sAviOr being the centre of attention. It may be overboard to witch-hunt sAviOr every single moment available, but the guy just asks to be hounded upon with his attitude, and I have nearly zero sympathy with someone who savours being the "controversial" figurehead of the community and profits off that, and brings down the level of people surrounding him. He is a cancerous being, and what started off as a simple mistake for an inexperienced kid, has evolved into something far more toxic. There's nothing about the guy right now that reminds me of the genius who gave the scene a breath of fresh air, and looked like the one who would take the scene to the next level.


As a person, I am extremely sympathetic to Savior for the reasons you gave. He probably had no interest in leading the e-sports scene. In fact, we can all agree that he received all of the negative implication from this unfairly and that many guiltier and more responsible parties were never brought to justice. For these reasons, I consider his particular situation the greatest individual tragedy.

However, my personal interest is that the afreeca streams cause a revival of interest in BW. This CANNOT happen if Savior is involved plain and simple.


He was interested in getting more pussy, getting expensive brands, and gave zero fucks about the people who looked up to him, the coach who ensured he would get the best treatment available, and the media who hyped him up as the greatest thing since sliced bread. He was extremely fortunate to get the treatment he got, and he just took everything he got for granted, and spit on the faces of the people who raised him up on a pedestal, so much so, that people today even remember more fondly on the days when he was actually good, more so than any other gamer in my recollection.

There are guys who literally gave it their all, people who stuck with their team, sharing their prize money to keep the dream alive, and what kind of credit do you think they're getting? Nothing at all. What sAviOr contributed to the scene is incredibly negligable, and the damage he caused as literally the biggest name in e-Sports behind BoxeR, and perhaps YellOw, way outscales anything he has done.

You're talking about a guy who took everything he had for granted, and used it to get more money for himself, and coerced others just for his benefit alone. And he continues to profit off his self-centred behaviour due to people who simply like these kind of stupid as fuck dramas, over the real heroes who don't bother stooping to sAviOr's level, even if it would give them the extra dough. Fuck sAviOr. People should cry over real tragedies, not this prick who wouldn't care one iota for sympathetic people such as yourself if it didn't make him a single dime richer.

I don't even feel that strongly about shutting sAviOr down, but this kind of revision of what sAviOr has done, and why he is underappreciated makes me sick to the stomach. He was a scumbag, and still is one today, and all he cares about is himself. If you want to be a bitch, and soak in all that drama, and love him for the "tragic, dark hero" like a chick, then go ahead, but please keep that to yourself, and don't post that kind of crap here.


Yes, I agree. I am merely saying that I personally am not striking out at him out of moral wrath. But for all the reasons you just mentioned, he should disappear completely from e-sports.

I personally am annoyed because I think a lot of the sympathy is the fact that foreigners idolize him as the Zerg messiah. Like literally view him as a fallen angel hero rebelling against all the Terran domination of the competitive scene.


Afreeca stream is not e-sport, being a progamer is e-sport, if you don't like the idea of Bisu streaming his game vs sAviOr then it means you don't want sAviOr (i like to type his name properly, does it bother you? i hope it does) to be on Afreeca and that goes farther than just talking about e-sport. Haterz like you are the reason why sAviOr is so popular now, giving too much attention to a matter that is no more, transparency is the best at this point, it's not relevant to talk about this drama, the more you give importance the more you end up with thread like this. LIKE WE FUCKIN CARE SERIOUSLY ABOUT OOV OPINION ON WHY BISU WOULD PLAY SAVIOR? You haterz are the only one that care in fact.


No one cares what you or I think. People care what iloveoov thinks as unimportant as you think he is. In fact, his opinion is probably a lot more popular among netizens than it is here. These opinions contrary to what you think do affect the people involved.

It is far more a white-washing of history to ignore what he did than to exclude him from streaming. You 'guyz' are only interested in his play for historical reasons. Saviors removal from the current competitive scene doesn't take away from it in anyway.
doubleupgradeobbies!
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia1187 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-10 12:16:59
October 10 2013 12:16 GMT
#194
On October 10 2013 20:58 iFU.pauline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2013 20:47 Pathos wrote:
On October 10 2013 20:43 Letmelose wrote:
On October 10 2013 20:30 Pathos wrote:
On October 10 2013 20:20 Letmelose wrote:
On October 10 2013 19:45 Highways wrote:
Didn't sAviOr beat iloveoovs 27 win streak vs Zerg?


It was July.

Also, I'd take what iloveoov has to say with a grain of salt. He was far from exemplary himself, and always had these kind of tendencies to talk brashly without giving things too much thought. That being said, it's stupid to counter-balance that by pretending that what's past is past, and we should embrace sAviOr with open arms now. It doesn't matter if dickheads like Justin were more heavily involved in these match-fixing business, sAviOr was meant to be the chosen one, the guy everybody expected to be the next e-Sports superstar after in a manner similar to BoxeR, but instead he threw it all away, and the level of betrayal was beyond repair. I really don't know why being blase about it somehow makes people feel better, when almost every single one of us here would have much rather prefered to see the Starcraft scene flourish like in the past, rather than watch it degrade to a casual level, with a washed-up, unapologetic sell-out like sAviOr being the centre of attention. It may be overboard to witch-hunt sAviOr every single moment available, but the guy just asks to be hounded upon with his attitude, and I have nearly zero sympathy with someone who savours being the "controversial" figurehead of the community and profits off that, and brings down the level of people surrounding him. He is a cancerous being, and what started off as a simple mistake for an inexperienced kid, has evolved into something far more toxic. There's nothing about the guy right now that reminds me of the genius who gave the scene a breath of fresh air, and looked like the one who would take the scene to the next level.


As a person, I am extremely sympathetic to Savior for the reasons you gave. He probably had no interest in leading the e-sports scene. In fact, we can all agree that he received all of the negative implication from this unfairly and that many guiltier and more responsible parties were never brought to justice. For these reasons, I consider his particular situation the greatest individual tragedy.

However, my personal interest is that the afreeca streams cause a revival of interest in BW. This CANNOT happen if Savior is involved plain and simple.


He was interested in getting more pussy, getting expensive brands, and gave zero fucks about the people who looked up to him, the coach who ensured he would get the best treatment available, and the media who hyped him up as the greatest thing since sliced bread. He was extremely fortunate to get the treatment he got, and he just took everything he got for granted, and spit on the faces of the people who raised him up on a pedestal, so much so, that people today even remember more fondly on the days when he was actually good, more so than any other gamer in my recollection.

There are guys who literally gave it their all, people who stuck with their team, sharing their prize money to keep the dream alive, and what kind of credit do you think they're getting? Nothing at all. What sAviOr contributed to the scene is incredibly negligable, and the damage he caused as literally the biggest name in e-Sports behind BoxeR, and perhaps YellOw, way outscales anything he has done.

You're talking about a guy who took everything he had for granted, and used it to get more money for himself, and coerced others just for his benefit alone. And he continues to profit off his self-centred behaviour due to people who simply like these kind of stupid as fuck dramas, over the real heroes who don't bother stooping to sAviOr's level, even if it would give them the extra dough. Fuck sAviOr. People should cry over real tragedies, not this prick who wouldn't care one iota for sympathetic people such as yourself if it didn't make him a single dime richer.

I don't even feel that strongly about shutting sAviOr down, but this kind of revision of what sAviOr has done, and why he is underappreciated makes me sick to the stomach. He was a scumbag, and still is one today, and all he cares about is himself. If you want to be a bitch, and soak in all that drama, and love him for the "tragic, dark hero" like a chick, then go ahead, but please keep that to yourself, and don't post that kind of crap here.


Yes, I agree. I am merely saying that I personally am not striking out at him out of moral wrath. But for all the reasons you just mentioned, he should disappear completely from e-sports.

I personally am annoyed because I think a lot of the sympathy is the fact that foreigners idolize him as the Zerg messiah. Like literally view him as a fallen angel hero rebelling against all the Terran domination of the competitive scene.


Afreeca stream is not e-sport, being a progamer is e-sport, if you don't like the idea of Bisu streaming his game vs sAviOr then it means you don't want sAviOr (i like to type his name properly, does it bother you? i hope it does) to be on Afreeca and that goes farther than just talking about e-sport. Haterz like you are the reason why sAviOr is so popular now, giving too much attention to a matter that is no more, transparency is the best at this point, it's not relevant to talk about this drama, the more you give importance the more you end up with thread like this. LIKE WE FUCKIN CARE SERIOUSLY ABOUT OOV OPINION ON WHY BISU WOULD PLAY SAVIOR? You haterz are the only one that care in fact.


Most of the reason for this thread is because the op specifically stated that Oov was saying that he was against ALL BJs streaming on Afreeca, with that misunderstanding cleared up there is really very little drama.

The vast majority of the people here agree with Oov's sentiments about not streaming games with savior. Saying that doing it puts them on the same level as savior, is pretty much as everyone agrees upon, overdoing it to the point of stupidity.

For the most part, everyone's sentiments regarding savior are the same. We don't like him, we wish he was no longer associated with bw, but given how much we could actually reasonably expect, we just like for people not to tarnish their own reputations and bw's reputation by associating with him, what he chooses to do with his life is his business, it's not like we're forced to pay attention.

The haterz are not the only ones who care, it is people like you who still want to see him streamed that care. TL's stance that we shouldn't give him any more attention is consistent with the general consensus of people's attitude towards savior, as such don't feature restream of him, get over it.

For the most part people are happy with the status quo, savior does what he wants, everyone ignores him. We would like for it to stay that way, as such we prefer if other players also ignored him. There really isn't much drama at all from the 'haterz', since we pretty much have what we want.
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Vegetarian Wolf
Profile Joined May 2010
China434 Posts
October 10 2013 12:22 GMT
#195
this thread manages to combine bw vs sc2, savior, and bonjwa discussion all in one this is amazing
Awooo...
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
October 10 2013 12:24 GMT
#196
On October 10 2013 21:22 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:
this thread manages to combine bw vs sc2, savior, and bonjwa discussion all in one this is amazing


If it has Rekrul posting in it, you know it's a quality thread.
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44230 Posts
October 10 2013 12:37 GMT
#197
On October 10 2013 21:24 Caihead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2013 21:22 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:
this thread manages to combine bw vs sc2, savior, and bonjwa discussion all in one this is amazing


If it has Rekrul posting in it, you know it's a quality thread.

humor and hate is combined in this thread ..
this is a quote
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-10 12:38:27
October 10 2013 12:38 GMT
#198
I was a fan of Savior and i'm still am. But.. What he did was terrible.

I will avidly watch Bisu vs Savior but i can't say Oov isn't right. Paradox ? I know

On October 10 2013 21:37 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2013 21:24 Caihead wrote:
On October 10 2013 21:22 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:
this thread manages to combine bw vs sc2, savior, and bonjwa discussion all in one this is amazing


If it has Rekrul posting in it, you know it's a quality thread.

humor and hate is combined in this thread ..


And shame...
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Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44230 Posts
October 10 2013 12:38 GMT
#199
On October 10 2013 21:22 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:
this thread manages to combine bw vs sc2, savior, and bonjwa discussion all in one this is amazing

your ID is more amazing lol
this is a quote
myminerals
Profile Joined August 2013
560 Posts
October 10 2013 12:44 GMT
#200
leave the guy alone for god's sake! let us just enjoy BW
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