EPTi cant read korean, but i agree i think oov wouldnt be the person to tell afreeca players that they're hurting bw, i think he just means dont go attracting attention and views towards someone who "disgraced" the game.
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
i cant read korean, but i agree i think oov wouldnt be the person to tell afreeca players that they're hurting bw, i think he just means dont go attracting attention and views towards someone who "disgraced" the game. | ||
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
But if oov just doesn't think people should play BW on afreeca, that just makes me sad. | ||
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sheaRZerg
United States613 Posts
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On October 10 2013 12:03 Rekrul wrote: how can u say that not knowing how much he stood to gain lol We know that individual league titles + cash bonuses from their teams are worth a few ten-thousand dollars IIRC, but if the betting leverage is like 10-1 or more he could have easily pocketed a few HUNDRED K of cash plus the money for actually throwing. Then again, watching those matches, we can't reliably say that it was an actual throw any less than Bisu just did a stomp with marginally favorable maps. As for oov and his statements: cue conspiracy theory hat Given what we've heard about a rapidly declining salary base for Proleague players and the fact that Bisu was an SKT team member as well, what if his statements are meant to inflame people into realizing that there IS a Brood War community of former players who stream if audiences really don't want to watch SC2? Not everyone can watch OGN, and he definitely can't make that kind of statement there; but he can just off-handedly react in this way in a less controlled outlet to make people realize that "Hey whoa, I remember ex-pro B, S and J playing before on TV, I never realized they're now showing their games somewhere else!" and at the same time, remind everyone to NOT deal with the scumbags. Edit: On October 10 2013 13:07 We Are Here wrote: We are allowed to forgive, staying bitter forever wont help. Only if said party shows appropriate contrition AND behavior that shows sincerity in doing so. I'd watch Hwasin if he streamed as long as he does it for fun and doesn't go begging for money out of it, since he's moved on from the whole scandal with his actions and words; but the lack of similar behavior from Mr. Ma is a definite deal-breaker. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10396 Posts
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dRaW
Canada5744 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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Nerevar
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TricksAre4Figs
United States125 Posts
For Bisu to game with SAviour is to give Saviour something he no longer deserves and leaves a bad taste in everyone else's mouth. | ||
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Pathos
United States94 Posts
This was a lot more than just that 'young naive Savior' that got led astray. It was the greed on the part of many people that led to this scandal and Savior is the figure that embodes this ugliness. EDIT: it's amusing some of the comments in this thread. Oov and savior were both bonjwas and entrusted to become the leaders/faces of e-sports. Oov goes on to preserve the SKT Terran legacy even after he destroyed his wrist while playing. The other cashes in and ruins other peoples lives. 'Who is this loud-mouthed iloveoov and who is he to judge our glorious Zerg messiah?' iloveoov's comments are probably on the tamer side compared to what the zealous netizens think about this. | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10346 Posts
Savior is scum, but it doesn't mean no one should ever have any relationship with him again... He's a slimeball, not the antichrist. | ||
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koreasilver
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1288 Posts
On October 10 2013 07:35 larse wrote: Update: Some other translators (who know Korean) confirmed that in the original Korean source, iloveoov indeed bashes the entire BW streaming, not just Bisu's relationship with savior: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431676#11 and http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431676¤tpage=3#57 I apologize in advance for any translation issue and misunderstanding. WTH Oov? A move seriously lacking in class and unworthy of a former bonjwa, even if Kespa told him to say it he should have told them where they can shove it. That said I can empathize with his feelings regarding savior, I don't care if Bisu wants to play with savior occasionally, they are(or were) friends, it's hard to be a decent person AND cut a friend out. But he definitely shouldn't stream it if he does, for the sake of his reputation and for what remains of the BW scene, he probably should ask savior not to stream it either. | ||
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Gescom
Canada3511 Posts
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
On October 10 2013 14:42 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote: WTH Oov? A move seriously lacking in class and unworthy of a former bonjwa, even if Kespa told him to say it he should have told them where they can shove it. That said I can empathize with his feelings regarding savior, I don't care if Bisu wants to play with savior occasionally, they are(or were) friends, it's hard to be a decent person AND cut a friend out. But he definitely shouldn't stream it if he does, for the sake of his reputation and for what remains of the BW scene, he probably should ask savior not to stream it either. I read the original korean and im pretty sure that hes just condemning those who play with savior. It can be interpreted both ways but after reading it a few times im convinced that hes only bashing bw streamers who played with savior. Just my opinion though~ | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
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koreasilver
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nekotrap
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
On October 10 2013 13:41 dRaW wrote: bisu is so cute and funny, there's no way he's as evil as savior | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On October 10 2013 14:39 koreasilver wrote: And are people just selectively forgetting that Bisu and Savior were friends in the later part of Savior's career? No one is saying that what Savior did should be forgotten, but being unable to forgive says a lot about a person too. Are you really going to say that a friend shouldn't ever forgive a friend? Forgiveness between friends is fine but publically adding to his streaming income on Afreeca is not. Bisu would also make money just by streaming such a high profile match. It's unethical and immensely disrespectful to those who were shafted by Savior's actions (for which he's shown no contrition). | ||
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