EPTiloveoov talks Bisu's possible relation with sAviO - Page 15
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Aunvilgod
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On October 11 2013 07:14 Dontkillme wrote: Holy shit how long has it been since the sAviOr's matchmaking scandal? 4 years? Why do people still hate on him like he is hitler?? because he killed the game? | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On October 11 2013 07:38 Ciryandor wrote: Because he's an unrepentant asshole who still wants to leech money off the scene he had a big part in tainting the image of. And if people enjoy watching him play and want to give money to him, why the fuck should you care? Is he forcing the scene to watch him? Savior streaming on Afreeca and playing show matches literally does nothing to the scene, other than enrage the conservative puritans. It's utterly inconsequential. only thing he killed was his own career, not the game; wtf | ||
white_horse
1019 Posts
On October 11 2013 09:05 Aunvilgod wrote: This does make sense. Of course them streaming BW undermines the value of SCII as an esport. People won't take it serious if people retire just to play another game. And don't tell me that coexistence is truly possible, thats BS. The community is not big enough for that. You are misinterpreting his post. oov is against players being friendly with savior, not against streaming BW in general. I don't think oov is heartless enough to get angry that the growing BW afreeca community takes away from SC2. Which doesn't even make sense in the first place because SC2 is basically dead in korea. There's really nothing more to take away from in the first place. And he's a former BW pro ffs. On October 11 2013 09:17 rd wrote: only thing he killed was his own career, not the game; wtf The BW community in korea disagrees with you completely. oov basically blasts savior in the interview. People hate him, and rightfully so. | ||
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419
Russian Federation3631 Posts
On October 11 2013 05:19 Hesmyrr wrote: Looks like there is shitstorm occurring on darker parts of Afreeca. There was Terror(?) vs Savior bo7 match where the loser promised to shave their eyebrows. Terror won 4:0 but Savior apparently refuses to carry out the punishment, the situation which is more complicated by the fact that Savior had a match with exact same punishment yesterday vs 봉준 where Savior won and the loser did exactly as he promised. Savior still killing ESPORTS | ||
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Arco
United States2090 Posts
Blizzard killed the game. | ||
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Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
On October 11 2013 09:19 white_horse wrote: You are misinterpreting his post. oov is against players being friendly with savior, not against streaming BW in general. I don't think oov is heartless enough to get angry that the growing BW afreeca community takes away from SC2. Which doesn't even make sense in the first place because SC2 is basically dead in korea. There's really nothing more to take away from in the first place. And he's a former BW pro ffs. heartless? No, the opposite. He feels very sorry for the Koreans who still play SC2 and don't get recognition because SC2 is dead. Streaming BW on Afreeca won't revive SC2 in Korea though, it will prevent it from being revived. | ||
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shaftofpleasure
Korea (North)1375 Posts
On October 11 2013 09:17 rd wrote: And if people enjoy watching him play and want to give money to him, why the fuck should you care? Is he forcing the scene to watch him? Savior streaming on Afreeca and playing show matches literally does nothing to the scene, other than enrage the conservative puritans. It's utterly inconsequential. only thing he killed was his own career, not the game; wtf not quite .. He killed off other people's career by being the middleman. Caused a scandal on a country that has a highly conservative society, thus giving/adding a poor impression for future potential sponsors. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
On October 11 2013 07:02 OpticalShot wrote: Okay really now, now it's about tone/phrasing? Honestly here let me use the same Korean source quoted in the OP and translate quickly. Going to use a ton of explanatory text to fill the gaps, and format it a bit for easier reading: + Show Spoiler [source] + Q. 그렇죠.(웃음) 그럼 이제 다른 이야기로 넘어가 보면, 최근 김택용 선수의 은퇴를 보면서 어떤 생각이 들었나요? 최연성 : 일단 아쉬웠죠. 좋을 때 떠나는 게 아니라 더 아쉬워요. 최근 인터넷 개인방송에서 마재윤과 게임을 한다는 말도 있던데, 만약 정말로 게임을 한다면 마재윤과 똑같은 거죠. 그 사건이 터졌을 때, 당시 팀의 연습생 3명이 저한테 와서 울면서 앞으로 게임 계속 할 수 있냐고 하더라고요. 그 모습을 봤는데, 마재윤과 어울린다? 그러면 모두 다 마재윤과 동급 인거죠. 후배였던 다른 팀 선수들도 마찬가지예요. 은퇴한 많은 선수들이 인터넷 개인방송을 하는 것으로 아는데, 진정으로 e스포츠판을 생각하고, 후배들을 생각한다면 그럴 수는 없겠죠. 택용이가 '마재윤과 게임을 할까?' 라고 생각했던 자체가 화나 나요. 진심으로 그런일이 없었으면 좋겠네요. + Show Spoiler [translation, unformatted] + Q: Yes (laughs). Now let's move on to other topics, what thoughts crossed your mind when Bisu retired? oov: First would be of regret. [The regret/disappointment] is augmented by the fact that he left when [he wasn't / the scene wasn't] doing so well. I've heard recently that Bisu [plays / will play] with Savior in his personal stream, and if that's true, that would put him at the same level [of maturity/consciousness] as Savior. When [the matchfixing and consequences] happened, three of our team's B-teamers came crying to me, asking me whether it'll be possible to continue playing games [in the team / as a career]. For those that witnessed such things to associate themselves with Savior again? That would put them at the same level as Savior. [Same/similar opinion] goes for players from other teams. My understanding is that many of the retired [BW-] progamers broadcast online in personal streams. [If those retired progamers] truly care for the eSports scene [and those that followed their lead into the same career], they wouldn't [play/associate with Savior]. I'm mad [at myself] for even asking myself whether Bisu would play with Savior. I sincerely hope that it doesn't happen. Q: Yes (laughs). Now let's move on to other topics, what thoughts crossed your mind when Bisu retired? oov: First would be of regret. [The regret/disappointment] is augmented by the fact that he left when [he wasn't / the scene wasn't] doing so well. I've heard recently that Bisu [plays / will play] with Savior in his personal stream, and if that's true, that would put him at the same level [of maturity/consciousness] as Savior. When [the matchfixing and consequences] happened, three of our team's B-teamers came crying to me, asking me whether it'll be possible to continue playing games [in the team / as a career]. For those that witnessed such things to associate themselves with Savior again? That would put them at the same level as Savior. [Same/similar opinion] goes for players from other teams. My understanding is that many of the retired [BW-] progamers broadcast online in personal streams. [If those retired progamers] truly care for the eSports scene [and those that followed their lead into the same career], they wouldn't [play/associate with Savior]. I'm mad [at myself] for even asking myself whether Bisu would play with Savior. I sincerely hope that it doesn't happen. *edit: going to also add that people should not jump to conclusions based on a loose two-step translation (assuming OP translated from the CN article, which was probably translated from the original KR article). Hell, even for direct KR -> EN, I've read some translators take 테란원탑 as "Terran One-Tower" I mean seriously? Where did the fucking tower come from? Is that what Google Translate gives you? 원탑, or one-top, refers to the single (one) player who is at the top (lmao ok he can sit on the top of the tower if he wants) of the subject (here the subject being the performance as a player using the Terran race). The last line about him being mad at himself changes things a little but it doesn't make up for this. I can forgive oov for having said these things, of course, but they were still wrong to say. You don't go to your partner / spouse and say "if you're cheating on me, it would be a terrible thing and you would be scum." The 'if' part doesn't make it any less of an accusation lol. I use this example because it's funny that in the same way people hate themselves for not trusting their spouses, oov hates himself for not trusting bisu. But honestly, you can't point to the "if" and go "SEEEE!!! HE DIDN'T ACTUALLY ACCUSE HIM!" He totally did and it was inappropriate and unnecessary for the interview. As someone else said, he could have talked about the respect he had for Bisu as a player and his glory days. If he wants to caution people against reintegrating savior (and that's a totally different conversation I don't want to get into), he can do it without dragging someone's name thru the dirt. | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3048 Posts
On October 11 2013 09:19 white_horse wrote: You are misinterpreting his post. oov is against players being friendly with savior, not against streaming BW in general. I don't think oov is heartless enough to get angry that the growing BW afreeca community takes away from SC2. Which doesn't even make sense in the first place because SC2 is basically dead in korea. There's really nothing more to take away from in the first place. And he's a former BW pro ffs. The BW community in korea disagrees with you completely. oov basically blasts savior in the interview. People hate him, and rightfully so. Not just the community. | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On October 11 2013 09:17 rd wrote: And if people enjoy watching him play and want to give money to him, why the fuck should you care? Is he forcing the scene to watch him? Savior streaming on Afreeca and playing show matches literally does nothing to the scene, other than enrage the conservative puritans. It's utterly inconsequential. only thing he killed was his own career, not the game; wtf Personally I don't care, because I express my opinion by actually subscribing to it. I'm just telling you what people would use as a justification. Also at italics, so what do you cal Justin, Hwasin and all the other guys? Some people don't really think their arguments through...  | ||
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
If Savior had any honour at all he would've disappeared from the scene permanently. | ||
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AssiRoyal
Germany216 Posts
is the rest of this interview available as well? | ||
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traceurling
United States1240 Posts
On October 11 2013 09:29 Aunvilgod wrote: heartless? No, the opposite. He feels very sorry for the Koreans who still play SC2 and don't get recognition because SC2 is dead. Streaming BW on Afreeca won't revive SC2 in Korea though, it will prevent it from being revived. I don't think brood war is what's holding SC2 back | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On October 11 2013 10:18 Ciryandor wrote: Personally I don't care, because I express my opinion by actually subscribing to it. I'm just telling you what people would use as a justification. Also at italics, so what do you cal Justin, Hwasin and all the other guys? Some people don't really think their arguments through... Killed their own careers as foolishly as Savior did. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On October 10 2013 20:13 shaftofpleasure wrote: In all honesty, I think this is the reason why oov hates Savior /hash tag "truth hurts" in-one-word (: | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5913 Posts
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1717 Posts
On October 11 2013 11:43 Antisocialmunky wrote: Well atleast Savior was honest when he said he would destroy everyone in 2009. I'm thinking about this too. exactly! he in fact destroyed everyone, including bw e-sports or perhaps e-sports in korea too. it was such a let down. and to those people who can't understand why there is so much hate on savior even after 4yrs - of course, savior was a bonjwa, there was so much expectations from him. he should be a role model like the other bonjwas (boxer, oov, nada and flash) but instead of being a role model he tainted the scene. i'm pretty sure oov is also mad at the other players who fixed the matches, but just have more impact on savior. and obviously, this scandal caused sponsors to mistrust e-sports. i'm indifferent whether bisu plays with savior, may be just for old time's sake, why not? but to oov's point, what he doesn't like is probably for the pro-gamers (both retired and active) to encourage savior to play more bw. savior should have completely disappeared from the scene after the scandal and move-on from e-sports. | ||
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shaftofpleasure
Korea (North)1375 Posts
On October 11 2013 10:25 Chrispy wrote: Scumbag Savior! I respect oov's opinion and agree with it... for a legend like Bisu to support Savior (which is what he'd be doing if he plays with him) in anyway is a giant middle finger to all those who were affected by Savior's matchfixing... If Savior had any honour at all he would've disappeared from the scene permanently. When did Bisu became a legend? lol | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51449 Posts
On October 11 2013 12:48 shaftofpleasure wrote: When did Bisu became a legend? lol 3-3-07 was a legendary revolution. | ||
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