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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On October 10 2013 11:19 koreasilver wrote:
Yeah, reading the Korean it seems that Oov really is condemning the afreeca streaming of all the retired BW pros and not just specifically Bisu planning to play Savior. So unless Oov/the interviewer really fucked up the wording I'm just a bit exasperated that Oov would say such a thing.
edit: o im dum
that has to be a fuckup theres no way oov would say that
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Wait so he's talking about those old games Bisu streamed where he played vs savior? -_-;;
Seems like an overreaction to me. However if Bisu were in fact chummy with savior and playing against him for balloons and stuff then I suppose I can see a reason for objection.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On October 10 2013 11:27 purakushi wrote:
Considering most BW players do not like SC2, they probably don't care about hurting e-sports (i.e. SC2).
inb4 sAviOr is the one who fully revives the BW scene. lol
savior should dig up some of the $ he has buried and sponsor a starleague secretly with a shell company (they wouldnt accept his sponsorship money directly out of pride)
then announce the fact that it was him right b4 the finals
i'd buy that movie
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Considering Inven is not a KeSPA associated media, I won't be surprised that iloveoov is bolder to talk things like this.
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orion had stars
the second star till the right
fly on till morning
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I know hes just truthfully answering a reporter's question but jesus oov... Bisu is not a progammer anymore. Hes not under Kespa's rule. Hes not under SKT rule. Your coaching sc2, the game that phased out pro bw in korea. Sure your doing great things for esports, but Bisu is the one doing good things for BW, the game he loves.
Let him do what he wants, even if it is with you-know-who.
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그 모습을 봤는데, 마재윤과 어울린다? 그러면 모두 다 마재윤과 동급 인거죠. 후배였던 다른 팀 선수들도 마찬가지예요. 은퇴한 많은 선수들이 인터넷 개인방송을 하는 것으로 아는데, 진정으로 e스포츠판을 생각하고, 후배들을 생각한다면 그럴 수는 없겠죠.
His text is worded slightly vaguely, which is why I can understand misinterpretation of the text. But I read very carefully, and I don't think that he means that he is against ex-players playing on afreeca in general, only that he is against players playing with savior.
You can tell that savior really did play a part in BW's undoing, looking at the way people are still angry at him. iloveoov sounds pretty pissed in the interview when he's talking about the subject. But people on TL are still savior fans and saying idiotic things like "he was young and didn't no any better, we should forgive him"? Speaks volumes about the maturity level of some people here.
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Yeah, Oov's right. Bisu streaming is totally disrespectful to all the pro BW out there he's competing with. 
Ignoring the Savior thing for a minute, the idea that streaming BW is "disrespectful" is exactly the kind of mindset that makes me kinda glad KeSPA switched. BW may be a lot smaller now, but it's in much better hands with Sonic. Their complete refusal to try anything different to bring back fans to BW after the matchfixing scandal and the release of SC2 (except giving an OSL an "Origin" theme, which just made them look whiny and petulant), was pitiful.
After the switch, there was a lot of fan hype for the whole "eSF vs KeSPA" rivalry, but KeSPA kept their teams out of GSTL and eSF teams out of proleague until no one cared anymore, which is one of the most shocking acts of marketing malpractice I've ever fucking seen. (Beating even "let's make all the teams think we're switching to SC2 next season so that they practice SC2 until the last minute and the BW games are lower quality!). Though, this is also the same organization that decided to switch to SC2 due to the high foreign interest and then filmed the English cast in a garage with half a microphone and a caster who openly hated SC2 and everything it stood for, and now nobody on any continent gives a shit about Proleague any more.
Not to even get into things like the ppp incident (which was garden-variety idiocy), or killing the BW GSL (Hindsight's a bitch on that one. If GOM was doing BW stuff and SC2 stuff at the same time, there would've been cross-promotion and maybe BW would've seen a lot of increased foreign interest to piggyback itself off SC2 a little. KeSPA might have even done that themselves! Hosting an SC2 league for eSF players and cross-promoting a BW league on it to get BW subs! But that would require acknowledging the passage of time)
There is a mindset that the way to save "eSports' is just to pretend it's still 2007. Where the fuck do they got off attacking players for streaming the game they went and fucked up? Why does Bisu have to become a fucking matchstick girl? This is BW's best chance for a revival, a real revival to properly paid full-time BW pros, and the folks running the KeSPA teams are hating on it out of spite.
Maybe Oov's been hanging out with Jessica. He reminds me of her, now.
On October 10 2013 11:08 Ciryandor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 11:04 Rekrul wrote:
what if 2006-2007 MBCGame StarCraft League Season 1 where savior was a massive favorite / fan favorite and bisu clean sweeped him
..was the beginning My brain is in a state of disbelief...Anybody want to watch that series for any signs that sAviOr just gave up on the series? 0-3 against Bisu would probably be the most unlikely betting scoreline available there, and could have yielded the biggest return.
I can say with complete certainty that those finals were legit, simply because Savior had way too much to lose
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Because in the western world, ordeals like this occur too often in the public view and its rarely harshly criticized so its sorta meh for everyone within that society. They just all accepted it and blame the downfall or underlying issue on bigger fish.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
I can say with complete certainty that those finals were legit, simply because Savior had way too much to lose
how can u say that not knowing how much he stood to gain lol
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did bisu already stream with savior or is he planning to do it in the future?
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On October 10 2013 12:03 Rekrul wrote:Show nested quote +I can say with complete certainty that those finals were legit, simply because Savior had way too much to lose how can u say that not knowing how much he stood to gain lol
Have you read Freakonomics? There's a thing on Sumo wrestlers and matchfixing there. The people most likely to matchfix are the people who are kind of good. The tip-top players are winning too much to blow it, and the C-list players aren't good enough to be worth betting on. We saw this with the BW matchfixing, where the players were all known, but the only really "big" name involved (Savior himself) was well past his prime.
Unless of course...
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Savior was blackmailed! Mendoza was behind it all along!
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On October 10 2013 12:05 reminisce12 wrote:
did bisu already stream with savior or is he planning to do it in the future?
nah he didnt. He just watched his famous games vs him on stream.
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On October 10 2013 12:06 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 12:03 Rekrul wrote:I can say with complete certainty that those finals were legit, simply because Savior had way too much to lose how can u say that not knowing how much he stood to gain lol Have you read Freakonomics? There's a thing on Sumo wrestlers and matchfixing there. The people most likely to matchfix are the people who are kind of good. The tip-top players are winning too much to blow it, and the C-list players aren't good enough to be worth betting on. We saw this with the BW matchfixing, where the players were all known, but the only really "big" name involved (Savior himself) was well past his prime. Unless of course... ..... Savior was blackmailed! Mendoza was behind it all along!
Such a bad punchline
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On October 10 2013 11:57 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 11:08 Ciryandor wrote:On October 10 2013 11:04 Rekrul wrote:
what if 2006-2007 MBCGame StarCraft League Season 1 where savior was a massive favorite / fan favorite and bisu clean sweeped him
..was the beginning My brain is in a state of disbelief...Anybody want to watch that series for any signs that sAviOr just gave up on the series? 0-3 against Bisu would probably be the most unlikely betting scoreline available there, and could have yielded the biggest return. I can say with complete certainty that those finals were legit, simply because Savior had way too much to lose
Add to that, the PvZ match up was fucked up after that final until 5-hatch build w/ more 'balanced' maps came and normalized everything .. I think the only thing Kespa did great was the map pool.
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Sigh, Savior, when can he ever live a normal life.
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On October 10 2013 11:56 white_horse wrote:Show nested quote +그 모습을 봤는데, 마재윤과 어울린다? 그러면 모두 다 마재윤과 동급 인거죠. 후배였던 다른 팀 선수들도 마찬가지예요. 은퇴한 많은 선수들이 인터넷 개인방송을 하는 것으로 아는데, 진정으로 e스포츠판을 생각하고, 후배들을 생각한다면 그럴 수는 없겠죠. His text is worded slightly vaguely, which is why I can understand misinterpretation of the text. But I read very carefully, and I don't think that he means that he is against ex-players playing on afreeca in general, only that he is against players playing with savior.
This makes way more sense. Any ex-BW pro supporting/playing with Savior for cash is despicable.
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On October 10 2013 12:13 Dr.Ultralisk wrote:
Sigh, Savior, when can he ever live a normal life.
When he builds a time machine and goes back in time and beats Bisu for his 4th MSL title.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51716 Posts
On October 10 2013 11:56 white_horse wrote:Show nested quote +그 모습을 봤는데, 마재윤과 어울린다? 그러면 모두 다 마재윤과 동급 인거죠. 후배였던 다른 팀 선수들도 마찬가지예요. 은퇴한 많은 선수들이 인터넷 개인방송을 하는 것으로 아는데, 진정으로 e스포츠판을 생각하고, 후배들을 생각한다면 그럴 수는 없겠죠. His text is worded slightly vaguely, which is why I can understand misinterpretation of the text. But I read very carefully, and I don't think that he means that he is against ex-players playing on afreeca in general, only that he is against players playing with savior.
ah that makes more sense to me.
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On October 10 2013 12:26 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 11:56 white_horse wrote:그 모습을 봤는데, 마재윤과 어울린다? 그러면 모두 다 마재윤과 동급 인거죠. 후배였던 다른 팀 선수들도 마찬가지예요. 은퇴한 많은 선수들이 인터넷 개인방송을 하는 것으로 아는데, 진정으로 e스포츠판을 생각하고, 후배들을 생각한다면 그럴 수는 없겠죠. His text is worded slightly vaguely, which is why I can understand misinterpretation of the text. But I read very carefully, and I don't think that he means that he is against ex-players playing on afreeca in general, only that he is against players playing with savior. This makes way more sense. Any ex-BW pro supporting/playing with Savior for cash is despicable. We are allowed to forgive, staying bitter forever wont help.
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