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It's from one question in iloveoov's new interview. The interview is too long so I only pick this question to translate. iloveoov basically says that he likes SKT Parting's way of doing things. Players should be more dramatic in the interview to attract popularity and make storylines. Well, as an example, iloveoov starts to condemn Bisu's potential relationship with sAviOr in the same interview.
Q: Let's talk about Bisu's retirement.
iloveoov: It's regretful. Since he didn't retire in a good time, it's even more regretful. Recently, I heard that Bisu is going to play with sAviOr in his stream, if it is true, then they are the same kind of person now. After the match fixing scandal, three b-teamers in our team went to me, cried, and asked me if it's still possible to play the game anymore. It looks like Bisu is having a good relationship with sAviOr? Then they are in the same level now. I know that many retired players do streaming on Afreeca, but if they really care about esports and care about the younger generations, they shouldn't do this. I am still angry about that Bisu is going to play with sAviOr. I really hope this won't happen.
Update:
Some other translators (who know Korean) confirmed that in the original Korean source, iloveoov indeed bashes the entire BW streaming, not just Bisu's relationship with savior: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431676#11 and http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431676¤tpage=3#57
Update 2:
A different interpretation that says iloveoov didn't mean the entire bw streaming: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431676¤tpage=4#67
Update 3:
A more accurate translation:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431676¤tpage=14#272
Source: http://s.163.com/13/1008/23/9AN0O5BB00314Q8T.html
Korean source: http://sports.news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=e_sports&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=442&article_id=0000000388&date=20131008&page=1
I apologize in advance for any translation issue and misunderstanding.
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Guilty by association?
but if they really care about esports and care about the younger generations, they shouldn't do this Is he just concerned about Bisu playing with sAviOr or streaming BW in general?
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I'd lean towards the latter because we all know how KeSPA views the situation. The Gorilla is in no position to welcome such an idea.
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On October 10 2013 07:38 Falling wrote:Guilty by association? Show nested quote +but if they really care about esports and care about the younger generations, they shouldn't do this Is he just concerned about Bisu playing with sAviOr or streaming BW in general?
That's the part I am not sure. I think it's the former. Hope someone with good Korean to clarify this.
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Bisu can do w/e wants.
You can't stop the man.
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On October 10 2013 07:38 Falling wrote:Guilty by association? Show nested quote +but if they really care about esports and care about the younger generations, they shouldn't do this Is he just concerned about Bisu playing with sAviOr or streaming BW in general?
sounds like he condemns bisu for not treating savior like a pariah...
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On October 10 2013 07:44 Xiphos wrote:
Bisu can do w/e wants.
You can't stop the man.
Exactly. The wonders of having no affiliation to anyone or anything.
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i thought it was pretty well known that the two were good friends back then despite their rivalry? i guess this implies they still are and some people dont like the association, though either way if i get to see good games i dont really care
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Hmm....this is kinda sad, I don't think Bisu should be treated wrongly for wanting to play vs sAviOr, I mean hell, who wouldn't want to play vs sAviOr ? It's like the final evil boss to beat in BW. :O
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Considering the amount of well known "hyung" in the scene who have condemned savior in the past (former CJ head coach, KT head coach, Kim carrier, OGN castors, etc...) I think associating with savior would be PR suicide.
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On October 10 2013 07:42 larse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 07:38 Falling wrote:Guilty by association? but if they really care about esports and care about the younger generations, they shouldn't do this Is he just concerned about Bisu playing with sAviOr or streaming BW in general? That's the part I am not sure. I think it's the former. Hope someone with good Korean to clarify this.
EDIT: After re-reading carefully, I think this interpretation is not entirely accurate, see here.
From what I can interpret from the original Korean source, he seems to focus on Savior specifically.
He says he would be angry if Bisu played with Savior. This is where the "then they are the same person" quote applies. I get the impression that he is most upset about Bisu possibly being friendly with Savior, rather than the actual playing of the game.
The other quote regarding "caring about e-sports":
은퇴한 많은 선수들이 인터넷 개인방송을 하는 것으로 아는데, 진정으로 e스포츠판을 생각하고, 후배들을 생각한다면 그럴 수는 없겠죠.
It seems a little weird in context. The way he leads into it, I think he has the impression that all of the retired pros playing on Afreeca are being chummy with Savior, and so that makes all of it bad for e-sports, etcetera.
So basically, iloveoov really doesn't like Savior, and doesn't like people being friendly with him.
Bisu plays friendly match with Savior -> Bisu + Savior BFFs -> Savior bad for e-sports -> Bisu bad for e-sports
Retired pros play on Afreeca -> Savior plays on Afreeca -> Savior bad for e-sports -> All retired players on Afreeca bad for e-sports
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What an idiot Oov is lol.
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On October 10 2013 08:22 juki wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 07:42 larse wrote:On October 10 2013 07:38 Falling wrote:Guilty by association? but if they really care about esports and care about the younger generations, they shouldn't do this Is he just concerned about Bisu playing with sAviOr or streaming BW in general? That's the part I am not sure. I think it's the former. Hope someone with good Korean to clarify this. From what I can interpret from the original Korean source, he seems to focus on Savior specifically. He says he would be angry if Bisu played with Savior. This is where the "then they are the same person" quote applies. I get the impression that he is most upset about Bisu possibly being friendly with Savior, rather than the actual playing of the game. The other quote regarding "caring about e-sports": 은퇴한 많은 선수들이 인터넷 개인방송을 하는 것으로 아는데, 진정으로 e스포츠판을 생각하고, 후배들을 생각한다면 그럴 수는 없겠죠. It seems a little weird in context. The way he leads into it, I think he has the impression that all of the retired pros playing on Afreeca are being chummy with Savior, and so that makes all of it bad for e-sports, etcetera. So basically, iloveoov really doesn't like Savior, and doesn't like people being friendly with him. Bisu plays friendly match with Savior -> Bisu + Savior BFFs -> Savior bad for e-sports -> Bisu bad for e-sports Retired pros play on Afreeca -> Savior plays on Afreeca -> Savior bad for e-sports -> All retired players on Afreeca bad for e-sports
If this is true, I think Oov is simply undermining BW players. Whether or not it is his scheme to uplift SC2 status in Korea because of his recent re-affiliation with SKT and that maybe the upper management coerce him to state those words, this is just plainly wrong on so many levels to speak such vile terms regarding the retired Afreeca BJs like that.
But then again I understand his feelings, sAviOr pretty much ripped Bonjwa-hood right from his hands. Maybe he still have a few antipathy toward MJY.
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Those are some harsh words.
With Boxer out of the scene,
things must be stressful.
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On October 10 2013 08:47 Trozz wrote:
Those are some harsh words.
With Boxer out of the scene,
things must be stressful.
Hate for Savior
Still seems strong in Korea
Bisu must take care
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oh ffs... hating savior for the things that savior was involved in is one thing... hating on another famous player for merely having a positive relationship with savior is a complete other thing.
iloveoov, if you love victory so much, why not love your ex-teammate? 
EDIT: I guarantee you he wouldn't have said these things about Bisu if Bisu hadn't retired yet.
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What stupid stupid comments.
Retired players shouldn't stream on afreeca? Why? Because people would rather watch them play Broodwar than SC2? Is he mad because they make more money streaming on Afreeca, playing BW than they ever did in SC2? This makes no sense to me.
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On October 10 2013 09:06 sh4w wrote:
What stupid stupid comments.
Retired players shouldn't stream on afreeca? Why? Because people would rather watch them play Broodwar than SC2? Is he mad because they make more money streaming on Afreeca, playing BW than they ever did in SC2? This makes no sense to me.
It's not because Bisu is streaming... it's because Bisu is streaming and playing with savior.
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On October 10 2013 09:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 09:06 sh4w wrote:
What stupid stupid comments.
Retired players shouldn't stream on afreeca? Why? Because people would rather watch them play Broodwar than SC2? Is he mad because they make more money streaming on Afreeca, playing BW than they ever did in SC2? This makes no sense to me.
It's not because Bisu is streaming... it's because Bisu is streaming and playing with savior.
But I mean like Falling said...according to the translation he is saying that retired players shouldn't be streaming on Afreeca. Though the way it's worded doesn't really make sense. Hopefully someone can double check the translation.
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I wasnt around for the savior scandal so I guess I don't know the entire story but...
It seems a little weird to call Bisu 'on the same level as savior' because hes streaming with him years after the event.
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