EPTWhere are the female casters? - Page 31
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26604 Posts
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Prplppleatr
United States1518 Posts
On July 31 2013 12:55 Waxangel wrote: so does this need closing yet or what how has it survived this long | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On July 31 2013 13:43 Plansix wrote: Lol stealing viewer from good players. Your so funny, as if raw skill was the only reason we watched streams. Next you will be telling us that women are more likey to get hired because their boss want to look at their boobs. Funny coming from you, because if you ever worked in the real world you would know this is actually true. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 31 2013 13:46 Wombat_NI wrote: Ok lichter, the green light has just been lit I'm at work though so I will probably just stream my crotch as I sexily open Excel spreadsheets and check my inventory while I berate my workers. Sexily. On July 31 2013 13:48 superstartran wrote: Funny coming from you, because if you ever worked in the real world you would know this is actually true. I don't hire overwhelmingly unattractive secretaries no matter how qualified, I confess. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On July 31 2013 13:50 lichter wrote: I'm at work though so I will probably just stream my crotch as I sexily open Excel spreadsheets and check my inventory while I berate my workers. Sexily. I don't hire overwhelmingly unattractive secretaries no matter how qualified, I confess. You think that people aren't hired based on their attractiveness? You do realize that there are actually multiple studies that demonstrate that high attractiveness is correlated to increased chances of getting a job right? And considering it's mostly men that are in positions of power (fact), it's not unlikely that men don't hire women based on their attractiveness. On July 31 2013 13:51 Plansix wrote: It's like I don't even have to try, they just walk right into it. Do you work? Because you would know the statement I said is true. Women are hired based on their attractiveness all the time. This isn't exclusively a merit that is based on women alone; attractive men get hired more often and promoted faster also. | ||
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Gr33n
Bahamas113 Posts
On July 31 2013 13:43 Plansix wrote: Lol stealing viewer from good players. Your so funny, as if raw skill was the only reason we watched streams. Next you will be telling us that women are more likey to get hired because their boss want to look at their boobs. this happens a lot actually. the women and men who dont do these things resent the men and women who get jobs because of looks. clearly you have never worked in your life lol we are talking about the same thing in gaming. why does an unqualified gamer who streams, looks good, and advertises her looks get more viewers then a guy who is good but isnt an attractive female. there are females who DONT TALK EVER provide NOTHING on stream to entertain anyone other then the webcam and the game they play which can be often at times as large as the webcam im a purist, i think in the game of sc2 skill should grant viewers for the most part. i get that entertaining people is important and at the end of the day they WATCH streams to be entertained and that comes in many forms but this girl im linking doesnt talk, she doesnt "do anything interesting" she purely gets viewers because shes is an above avg looking women with a webcam she gets harassed all the time but she isnt complaining so why are women complaining about sc2 shunning them when its not sc2 but rather the internet as a whole thats just a hate filled environment for EVERY gender. this entire debate is basically because someone insinuated women have it harder in gaming when thats just not true at all. women have it harder in basketball, baseball, soccer (football), football because they are physically weaker then men but i dont think there is a female who has ever said "its complete bullshit that he can push his mouse faster then me, its so heavy to us women and its unfair" there is no internet gaming bias at all anywhere its just lack of respect for people who puts themselves out there get when they shouldnt be doing so ive yet to see anyone post a single shred of evidence where females are being treated unfairly yet i can show you 10 examples of women being given advantages over men in gaming | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 31 2013 13:54 superstartran wrote: You think that people aren't hired based on their attractiveness? You do realize that there are actually multiple studies that demonstrate that high attractiveness is correlated to increased chances of getting a job right? And considering it's mostly men that are in positions of power (fact), it's not unlikely that men don't hire women based on their attractiveness. What? I agreed with you and admitted that I practice this same bias. @_@ | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26604 Posts
*NB. If that pun is tolerated, I will be a relieved man. | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 31 2013 14:40 Wombat_NI wrote: Regarding your 'sexy secretary', have you ever lichter? *NB. If that pun is tolerated, I will be a relieved man. I had to read that twice to get it lol And no. I just make sure they aren't unattractive enough to bother me, but none of them are attractive enough (more circumstance than choice) to make me think about doing anything. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On July 31 2013 12:55 Waxangel wrote: so does this need closing yet or what Technically yes, but gr33n has gone full retard in this thread, I don't want him to stop. | ||
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Gr33n
Bahamas113 Posts
On July 31 2013 14:53 Thieving Magpie wrote: Technically yes, but gr33n has gone full retard in this thread, I don't want him to stop. k so go find something ive said thats false, you wont and cant | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On July 31 2013 12:24 Gr33n wrote: guys are no dif. are there no women who make fun of men with small penis? or joke that they have one? if i played "fashionista" on the E networks website (a fictional game dominated by 99 percent females) wouldnt i be subject to anti male sentiments in both joking and serious manors? i suspect so. women can be PRETTY lewd in large groups even at a young age. i went to boarding school for high school and you would have a guy dorm, and a girl dorm. if you were waiting in the female common room for your girlfriend or your guy friend who was with his girlfriend trust me when i say even young girls can be pretty "lewd" when in this female mob mentality. this is not limited to just guys. i once had 3 girls try to take my pants off after basketball practice to "see it". dont tell me women are so dif because they are 100 percent not Did you actually read what I wrote, or just skim through it and take it as an argument? Both of those things you described are exactly what I'm talking about. You're talk about a double-standard, and I'm talking about the fact that people being sexually harassed. furthermore your talking about men "verbally attacking" women on streams with sexual innuendo and you think thats a sc2 thing? or a gaming thing? thats an internet thing. you are not at sc2 interwebs.com, right next door to you on your sc2 internet is the same internet broadcasting sex to the 10th power. trust me when i say the "verbal attacks" are not sc2 related in any way shape or form but rather unfiltered internet assholes. do you read youtube comments lol? do you even read anything else on the internet? Again, you're not only misconstruing what I said, but also are being unnecessarily condescending. Just because vulgarity is used in other places on the internet, it does not make it right, nor necessarily acceptable. There was actually a thread not to long ago talking about how new casters rarely make it because of how much negative feedback they receive. In some cases, the feedback may be warranted, but if it is unwarranted, it doesn't matter which gender they are - cutting them down is not right, and we shouldn't simply "accept it" because it's only half as brutal as encyclopediadramatica. im not saying dress and act like men to be accepted im saying that how on earth is a genderless activity giving girls so much grief unless they bring it upon themselves? the girl kaitlyn who was taken on quantic or ajuil who is a DIAMOND PROTOSS and got on a team are examples of girls abusing the fact that they are girls, or for my semantics guy "taking advantage of a sittuation", and not deserving it. if girls want to be treated equally then you must also WANT to be treated equally. me a masters player, will never be recruited to a team because there are tons of guys like me. by sc2 standards if i was a team owner i would only ever take players who were at the VERY LEAST gm level. yet somehow 2 girls who cant win a single pro match are "pro gamers". they could have declined the offer because clearly they are there for marketing but they didnt which tells me that some girls complain about inequality and others abuse it. you cant have the best of both worlds I agree with you here, but I can't defend everything Quantic, as a team, decides to do. In my opinion, they made a poor decision if they were looking for a talented player who can win titles. But what you're arguing is that there is a double-standard, but say: NO ONE CARES IF A GAMER IS A GIRL OR A GUY. thats what im saying. this sexism thing is a falsehood made up by girls who decided to hang out with guys and someone metaphorically slapped her ass and she freaked. And you blame "girls" for creating an illusion of sexism, despite the fact that singling out a specific sex as the source of unfair favoritism, you in fact, are being sexist by it's very definition. Now, while I agree that sexism is wrong, you have to see both sides of the coin and realize that both men and women can be sexist, both towards the opposite sex, and their own sex. That being said, this thread is about female casters, so discussing Kaitlyn in this case is largely irrelevant. So, let's say there was a black guy who wanted to cast SC2. And let's also say he wasn't very good, like at all. People would say "Hey, you suck.", along with a bunch of racial remarks, like "I didn't know they could afford computers in Compton." but even if our black caster friend was a good caster, inevitably, there would be people who would still throw his heritage right in his face as an insult. After enough of this, even if someone pays him a compliment jokingly, such as "This nigga is a good caster, and I'm saying this as a white guy." it would probably still piss the caster off, or create a unwelcoming environment, one that says "No matter how good you are at what you do, you'll always just be that black guy who casts." Then at this point, he can take the high road and embrace that role, even poking fun at it, or become discouraged and retire. Unfortunately, the latter of those two is more likely to be the case, because there is only so much a person can take before they say "Fuck this." and stop what they're doing. You could say "Hey, black people say racist things all the time, but cry about it whenever they hear racism." It's the same fucking thing though. It's not right no matter who does it, and it's not right to try and justify it because you believe there is a double-standard, because if you believe there is a double-standard in regards to a race as a whole, then you are buying into the belief that a whole race generally conforms to a certain set of standards. And the same goes for sexism. | ||
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Gr33n
Bahamas113 Posts
no one attacks women any more then they attack men? there is a double standard but there isnt anyone worth mentioning on a mission to keep women out of gaming or esports at ALL. if your problem is with "anyone attacking anyone" then your problem is with humans on the internet and guess what, you wont win lol if your problem is that you feel women specifically are being targeted then what you are actually doing is noticing when women are attacked but not when men are. since there are so few women in sc2, when someone attacks one it seems like its a bigger deal then it is when every single male in the community of merit has been harassed in ways NONE of these women could imagine lets talk about women casters since of course this whole topic is derailed. CASTERS ARE AS FOLLOWS - lauren elise - knew nothing about sc2, she was brough on purely for her looks - kelly milkies - by far the worst caster ever called helions race cars and this may seem unfair but her accent didnt help her in any way and it most def hurt her. its hard to cast english with a bad accent this isnt her fault but you dont see me losing my legs and complaining that the other runners are faster then me such is life. may i add she ditched sc2 for greener pastures and that photo shoot didnt help i honestly cannot think of anyone else who qualifies as a caster does anna or seltzer count? no they are not casters or "hosts of shows" smix is the best translator thus far regardless of her head nodding but she isnt a caster so find me one women caster who has been CHASED AWAY but actually is pretty good? as a side note, i actually have met more racist black people then white people, just saying | ||
Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
@Poster above: one thing not to be dismissed is that the "examples" (Kelly Milkies, Lauren Elise) and the community may actually prevent that we ever see good women casters. Women that want to be recognized for their cast, not for their look. Women that want to be respected by the community (not gonna happen before quite some time....) Women that want to do what they enjoy without any gender consideration, without getting insulted, without getting belittled and told to "get out because it's a men game", without their skills being dismissed while their look is the only thing that matters ("show boobs", "you're cute", etc, things men will never get because men aren't the target of discrimination), without being threaten of rape by some idiots when they do something these dislike a lot (again, men don't really get that sort of threats...), without being considered noob at this game when they tell things untrue/not correct (things men caster also do, but they just get a "oh god he's wrong", while women, like we saw with Lauren Elise, will get something along the line of "get out, girl, it's not your turf, etc). There's a lot of reason that would explain the fact we actually never saw good women caster, and may never will for quite some time. What could even be the point, as a woman, of trying hard, just to get much flame when you finally get to do what you truly enjoy ? | ||
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Gr33n
Bahamas113 Posts
"there are not many good female sc2 players because there are not many female sc2 players" so i say "there are not many good female casters because there are not many females casting" but yet what i say isnt true and what he says is what? also wrong? math doesnt lie | ||
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Kyrillion
Russian Federation748 Posts
And considering it's mostly men that are in positions of power (fact), it's not unlikely that men don't hire women based on their attractiveness. Triple negations are evil, aren't they ? | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On July 31 2013 16:25 Gr33n wrote: its just insane to me to read people suggest that anyone is keeping women away from sc2. no one attacks women any more then they attack men? there is a double standard but there isnt anyone worth mentioning on a mission to keep women out of gaming or esports at ALL. if your problem is with "anyone attacking anyone" then your problem is with humans on the internet and guess what, you wont win lol if your problem is that you feel women specifically are being targeted then what you are actually doing is noticing when women are attacked but not when men are. since there are so few women in sc2, when someone attacks one it seems like its a bigger deal then it is when every single male in the community of merit has been harassed in ways NONE of these women could imagine lets talk about women casters since of course this whole topic is derailed. CASTERS ARE AS FOLLOWS - lauren elise - knew nothing about sc2, she was brough on purely for her looks - kelly milkies - by far the worst caster ever called helions race cars and this may seem unfair but her accent didnt help her in any way and it most def hurt her. its hard to cast english with a bad accent this isnt her fault but you dont see me losing my legs and complaining that the other runners are faster then me such is life. may i add she ditched sc2 for greener pastures and that photo shoot didnt help i honestly cannot think of anyone else who qualifies as a caster does anna or seltzer count? no they are not casters or "hosts of shows" smix is the best translator thus far regardless of her head nodding but she isnt a caster so find me one women caster who has been CHASED AWAY but actually is pretty good? as a side note, i actually have met more racist black people then white people, just saying And the funny just keeps on coming  See why we can't close this thread yet? | ||
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
On July 31 2013 17:40 Gr33n wrote: above poster no and if i wasnt random internet guy you would believe me but ill quote kennignt or whatever his name is spelled like on the chanman show "there are not many good female sc2 players because there are not many female sc2 players" so i say "there are not many good female casters because there are not many females casting" but yet what i say isnt true and what he says is what? also wrong? math doesnt lie That completely misses the point, nor doesn't answer to what I've said in any way. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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