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On July 31 2013 10:27 Gr33n wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 10:17 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On July 31 2013 10:08 Gr33n wrote:On July 31 2013 09:51 Thieving Magpie wrote:
@gr33n
Wait--so you agree that when women try to talk about their interests on the Internet, they get immediately confronted and run away. Which, by definition, is exactly what feminists say that women are chased off in nerd/online culture causing a disparity in gender populations.
I'm glad you agree with us. what... read what i wrote. i said there are the same number of women abusing men on the internet with webcam shows and sexuality (women have more obvious sexuality then men) as there are men abusing women with classic lines like "get me a sandwich, tits or gtfo" there is literally no dif between these 2 genders and no alienating sexist agenda of men with video games. women are newcomers to the game, and with ALL NEWCOMERS TO ALL THINGS they are not going to be accepted right away and viewed as pretenders/posers or whatever. this isnt because they are women, its because they are new to the scene and people are very protective of it. are women naturally prone to avoid confrontation? im not an expert but it seems that the internet is a great place for a female to speak her mind against the supposed male ostracism and convince them they are wrong my guess? any women who feels "left out" is bad at the game she is playing, putting herself out there without being any good, and then complaining about how "men" treat her bad. i got news for you, anyone who sucks and trys to get attention gets flamed and shit on no matter WHAT gender he/she is. this is gaming, we respect knowledge, skill. passion not sex organ, style, and physical appeal this isnt the E network. Interesting definition of abusing men you got there i think some men are weak and women have better control over her sexuality. there are women who have men wrapped around there finger and thats not abuse lol? men are driven by one thing, women are driven by another. anyone using those drives to bend the other sex to his/her will is abuse. im not sure why women cant be abusive but men can? no one is treating women badly in sc2 they are treating OUTSIDERS who try to make a name for themselves but are bad, badly does anyone intelligent shit talk you? no your an amazing player. when i was coming back to sc2 (took a 2 year break) i thought to myself who has the most solid macro style, while you have never won GSL i instantly thought of your play and tried to find a replay pack. i respect your play and i dont give a shit what gender you or anyone else is. NO ONE CARES IF A GAMER IS A GIRL OR A GUY. thats what im saying. this sexism thing is a falsehood made up by girls who decided to hang out with guys and someone metaphorically slapped her ass and she freaked. has any girl here hung out with groups of guys? guess what guys talk about? tits, ass, sex this is a GUY THING. the same way girls talk about im not sure clothes and hot guys? its prob very similar but i wouldnt presume to go hang out with 10 women and be like LADIES PLEASE, STOP TALKING ABOUT MY PENIS! ITS OFFENSIVE TO PENISI EVERYWHERE! (penisi is the plural of penis look it up in a science book) ill also add that where there is no sexism among intelligent human beings there are a slew of exceptions to the rule running around spewing hate regardless. if you get mad because some stupid ogre mongoloid posting something sexist, you have thin skin. your avg human being doesnt care about men or women. its generally a case about vocal minority
Actually, I would disagree with you and say that sexuality and gender does play a role in our every day lives because it is one of the most rudimentary building blocks of who we are and how we identify ourselves. That being said, people will have a different reaction to a particular gamer based on that gamer's gender. But there's nothing inherently wrong with that. Sexuality only becomes an issue when a group of people go out of their way to consciously try to intimidate, harass, excessively tease, or create an uncomfortable or even threatening environment for another individual. Note that I'm not specifically talking about "Lots of men vs one woman", but rather, a very broad outline for how a group of individuals can quite easily chip away at someone's sense of comfort through some form of sexual harassment. For example, if you were in a prison-type of setting, and a very muscular man looked at you and licked his lips, it could potentially be very unnerving, especially if you knew he had a reputation for rape.
Of course, this is a somewhat extreme example, but it illustrates a broader point, which is that, while comments about "tits, ass, sex" may not be as directly threatening as the prospect of a sexual assault, can present a woman who is broadcasting a show feel self-conscious, or feel that she is worthless in her work as a caster, and that her viewers are mostly just tuning in to poke fun at her and make sexual overtures and innuendo. If that is the case (And I know it is, in very many cases) then don't expect that caster to stay encouraged enough to keep trying their best.
That being said, every woman is different. We're not all the same person. Some women have a very high tolerance to lewd comments and can block it out and stay focused. Others can't. It is very difficult for anyone, regardless of gender, to overcome a lot of crippling criticism unless they have very thick skin. And you can't just grow thick skin overnight.
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On July 31 2013 11:45 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 10:27 Gr33n wrote:On July 31 2013 10:17 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On July 31 2013 10:08 Gr33n wrote:On July 31 2013 09:51 Thieving Magpie wrote:
@gr33n
Wait--so you agree that when women try to talk about their interests on the Internet, they get immediately confronted and run away. Which, by definition, is exactly what feminists say that women are chased off in nerd/online culture causing a disparity in gender populations.
I'm glad you agree with us. what... read what i wrote. i said there are the same number of women abusing men on the internet with webcam shows and sexuality (women have more obvious sexuality then men) as there are men abusing women with classic lines like "get me a sandwich, tits or gtfo" there is literally no dif between these 2 genders and no alienating sexist agenda of men with video games. women are newcomers to the game, and with ALL NEWCOMERS TO ALL THINGS they are not going to be accepted right away and viewed as pretenders/posers or whatever. this isnt because they are women, its because they are new to the scene and people are very protective of it. are women naturally prone to avoid confrontation? im not an expert but it seems that the internet is a great place for a female to speak her mind against the supposed male ostracism and convince them they are wrong my guess? any women who feels "left out" is bad at the game she is playing, putting herself out there without being any good, and then complaining about how "men" treat her bad. i got news for you, anyone who sucks and trys to get attention gets flamed and shit on no matter WHAT gender he/she is. this is gaming, we respect knowledge, skill. passion not sex organ, style, and physical appeal this isnt the E network. Interesting definition of abusing men you got there there are women who have men wrapped around there finger and thats not abuse lol? men are driven by one thing, women are driven by another. anyone using those drives to bend the other sex to his/her will is abuse. im not sure why women cant be abusive but men can? ... what? Seriously I just want you to explain this. I don't understand how this is 'abuse' though I understand you are just saying it is a negative thing. Choosing your words correctly is important. Show nested quote +ill also add that where there is no sexism among intelligent human beings there are a slew of exceptions to the rule running around spewing hate regardless. if you get mad because some stupid ogre mongoloid posting something sexist, you have thin skin. your avg human being doesnt care about men or women. its generally a case about vocal minority You need to understand what your words mean. Using 'mongoloid' this way... it doesn't really make you sound very informed.
oh ok so semantics are what you value lol. "taking advantage" "negative connotation"
i make a few points about "stupid people" and use the word mongoloid which on the internet means "stupid blunt generally unintelligent" and you wana give me the textbook def which then what, makes the things i say less true/valuable? please, it doesnt make me seem uninformed it makes you ignoring the big picture and nit picking rather then addressing what i said.
your entire post is about NOTHING other then you disapprove of my word choice lol
my point was just that the same way guys "abuse girls on the internet" is the same way girls USE or TAKE ADVANTAGE of guys on the internet or in real life. there is a clear parallel that can be drawn between the two. when a girl streams with massive cleavage and a webcam she ruins the respect for the other serious gamer girls and at the same time is taking advantage of guys who are sexually driven. its EXACTLY the same in the grand scheme of things.
when i was in high school girls would make fun of "gamers" "nerds" and alieneate them. if girls perceive gaming as "bad" in regular society up untill now is it any wonder there are less girls playing games lol?
sexism is not keeping girls away, girl culture and upbringing combined with a 20 year gap in playing video games resulting in lesser skill sets is keeping girls away from gaming
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Northern Ireland27003 Posts
On July 31 2013 11:54 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 10:27 Gr33n wrote:On July 31 2013 10:17 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On July 31 2013 10:08 Gr33n wrote:On July 31 2013 09:51 Thieving Magpie wrote:
@gr33n
Wait--so you agree that when women try to talk about their interests on the Internet, they get immediately confronted and run away. Which, by definition, is exactly what feminists say that women are chased off in nerd/online culture causing a disparity in gender populations.
I'm glad you agree with us. what... read what i wrote. i said there are the same number of women abusing men on the internet with webcam shows and sexuality (women have more obvious sexuality then men) as there are men abusing women with classic lines like "get me a sandwich, tits or gtfo" there is literally no dif between these 2 genders and no alienating sexist agenda of men with video games. women are newcomers to the game, and with ALL NEWCOMERS TO ALL THINGS they are not going to be accepted right away and viewed as pretenders/posers or whatever. this isnt because they are women, its because they are new to the scene and people are very protective of it. are women naturally prone to avoid confrontation? im not an expert but it seems that the internet is a great place for a female to speak her mind against the supposed male ostracism and convince them they are wrong my guess? any women who feels "left out" is bad at the game she is playing, putting herself out there without being any good, and then complaining about how "men" treat her bad. i got news for you, anyone who sucks and trys to get attention gets flamed and shit on no matter WHAT gender he/she is. this is gaming, we respect knowledge, skill. passion not sex organ, style, and physical appeal this isnt the E network. Interesting definition of abusing men you got there i think some men are weak and women have better control over her sexuality. there are women who have men wrapped around there finger and thats not abuse lol? men are driven by one thing, women are driven by another. anyone using those drives to bend the other sex to his/her will is abuse. im not sure why women cant be abusive but men can? no one is treating women badly in sc2 they are treating OUTSIDERS who try to make a name for themselves but are bad, badly does anyone intelligent shit talk you? no your an amazing player. when i was coming back to sc2 (took a 2 year break) i thought to myself who has the most solid macro style, while you have never won GSL i instantly thought of your play and tried to find a replay pack. i respect your play and i dont give a shit what gender you or anyone else is. NO ONE CARES IF A GAMER IS A GIRL OR A GUY. thats what im saying. this sexism thing is a falsehood made up by girls who decided to hang out with guys and someone metaphorically slapped her ass and she freaked. has any girl here hung out with groups of guys? guess what guys talk about? tits, ass, sex this is a GUY THING. the same way girls talk about im not sure clothes and hot guys? its prob very similar but i wouldnt presume to go hang out with 10 women and be like LADIES PLEASE, STOP TALKING ABOUT MY PENIS! ITS OFFENSIVE TO PENISI EVERYWHERE! (penisi is the plural of penis look it up in a science book) ill also add that where there is no sexism among intelligent human beings there are a slew of exceptions to the rule running around spewing hate regardless. if you get mad because some stupid ogre mongoloid posting something sexist, you have thin skin. your avg human being doesnt care about men or women. its generally a case about vocal minority Actually, I would disagree with you and say that sexuality and gender does play a role in our every day lives because it is one of the most rudimentary building blocks of who we are and how we identify ourselves. That being said, people will have a different reaction to a particular gamer based on that gamer's gender. But there's nothing inherently wrong with that. Sexuality only becomes an issue when a group of people go out of their way to consciously try to intimidate, harass, excessively tease, or create an uncomfortable or even threatening environment for another individual. Note that I'm not specifically talking about "Lots of men vs one woman", but rather, a very broad outline for how a group of individuals can quite easily chip away at someone's sense of comfort through some form of sexual harassment. For example, if you were in a prison-type of setting, and a very muscular man looked at you and licked his lips, it could potentially be very unnerving, especially if you knew he had a reputation for rape. Of course, this is a somewhat extreme example, but it illustrates a broader point, which is that, while comments about "tits, ass, sex" may not be as directly threatening as the prospect of a sexual assault, can present a woman who is broadcasting a show feel self-conscious, or feel that she is worthless in her work as a caster, and that her viewers are mostly just tuning in to poke fun at her and make sexual overtures and innuendo. If that is the case (And I know it is, in very many cases) then don't expect that caster to stay encouraged enough to keep trying their best. That being said, every woman is different. We're not all the same person. Some women have a very high tolerance to lewd comments and can block it out and stay focused. Others can't. It is very difficult for anyone, regardless of gender, to overcome a lot of crippling criticism unless they have very thick skin. And you can't just grow thick skin overnight.
It's a difficult position to put yourself in, even if you tend to be quite empathetic and emotionally attuned. As a white male we tend to be judged on our own merits, not as a representative of a greater number, or a 'role model'.
To be honest it would drive me insane. The closest I've come to what I guess women experience a lot was being excluded from a meeting of a local feminist activist group. Wanted to come along, but was told (politely mind) that I wasn't welcome as my gender precluded me from understanding the issues being discussed.
Made me really fucking mad tbh, so god knows what that's like to face all the time. Even if it is mud being flung by puerile cave-dwellers, I guess it still has the potential to stick. I've somewhat changed my initial opinion actually, had a wee walk around the block earlier.
That said, I do diverge from Magpie a bit. I would still be critical of people who choose to use sex appeal to promote themselves (unless in a tongue-in-cheek manner). It's awkward for me, as I don't think that women should be judged as a representative of other women, but because they often are means perhaps conforming to (stereo)type isn't a productive approach in changing societal attitudes.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 31 2013 12:08 Gr33n wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 11:45 lichter wrote:On July 31 2013 10:27 Gr33n wrote:On July 31 2013 10:17 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On July 31 2013 10:08 Gr33n wrote:On July 31 2013 09:51 Thieving Magpie wrote:
@gr33n
Wait--so you agree that when women try to talk about their interests on the Internet, they get immediately confronted and run away. Which, by definition, is exactly what feminists say that women are chased off in nerd/online culture causing a disparity in gender populations.
I'm glad you agree with us. what... read what i wrote. i said there are the same number of women abusing men on the internet with webcam shows and sexuality (women have more obvious sexuality then men) as there are men abusing women with classic lines like "get me a sandwich, tits or gtfo" there is literally no dif between these 2 genders and no alienating sexist agenda of men with video games. women are newcomers to the game, and with ALL NEWCOMERS TO ALL THINGS they are not going to be accepted right away and viewed as pretenders/posers or whatever. this isnt because they are women, its because they are new to the scene and people are very protective of it. are women naturally prone to avoid confrontation? im not an expert but it seems that the internet is a great place for a female to speak her mind against the supposed male ostracism and convince them they are wrong my guess? any women who feels "left out" is bad at the game she is playing, putting herself out there without being any good, and then complaining about how "men" treat her bad. i got news for you, anyone who sucks and trys to get attention gets flamed and shit on no matter WHAT gender he/she is. this is gaming, we respect knowledge, skill. passion not sex organ, style, and physical appeal this isnt the E network. Interesting definition of abusing men you got there there are women who have men wrapped around there finger and thats not abuse lol? men are driven by one thing, women are driven by another. anyone using those drives to bend the other sex to his/her will is abuse. im not sure why women cant be abusive but men can? ... what? Seriously I just want you to explain this. I don't understand how this is 'abuse' though I understand you are just saying it is a negative thing. Choosing your words correctly is important. ill also add that where there is no sexism among intelligent human beings there are a slew of exceptions to the rule running around spewing hate regardless. if you get mad because some stupid ogre mongoloid posting something sexist, you have thin skin. your avg human being doesnt care about men or women. its generally a case about vocal minority You need to understand what your words mean. Using 'mongoloid' this way... it doesn't really make you sound very informed. oh ok so semantics are what you value lol. "taking advantage" "negative connotation" i make a few points about "stupid people" and use the word mongoloid which on the internet means "stupid blunt generally unintelligent" and you wana give me the textbook def which then what, makes the things i say less true/valuable? please, it doesnt make me seem uninformed it makes you ignoring the big picture and nit picking rather then addressing what i said.
So just because the word means "stupid blunt generally unintelligent" on the internet, it somehow makes it ok to use a word that is supposed to refer to populations that share the same traits (a majority of the Earth's population) as an insult and potentially a racist pejorative? Yes that does make what you say seem less sincere and less valuable because it reveals your character.
your entire post is about NOTHING other then you disapprove of my word choice lol
I've already stated my opinion earlier in this thread and in past threads. I see no need to repeat myself for your sake. I have also stated that I will not get any more involved in the debate regarding female casters and sexism and what have you, because it is obvious that the debate is a dead end on these fora. But when people start using words they don't understand and throw around insults, I must speak.
my point was just that the same way guys "abuse girls on the internet" is the same way girls USE or TAKE ADVANTAGE of guys on the internet or in real life. there is a clear parallel that can be drawn between the two. when a girl streams with massive cleavage and a webcam she ruins the respect for the other serious gamer girls and at the same time is taking advantage of guys who are sexually driven. its EXACTLY the same in the grand scheme of things.
Men that want that sexual stimulation receive a benefit from what promiscuous girls do. Yes they get manipulated and controlled, but it is not similar to throwing insults at someone. How you make that logical leap is beyond me. There is no parallel, though perhaps a small tangent.
Throwing insults (at the least) provides no benefit for the receiver. The receiver does not want it, tries to avoid it, but the abuser cares not for the receiver's preferences.
Promiscuous girls on stream provide a service (however wrong, however frowned upon), and men actively seek it.
A lot of girls are thrown into the "promiscuous attention whore" pile simply because they are women. That's a problem. Though I do not wish to discuss it further since it has been discussed to death.
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On July 31 2013 11:54 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 10:27 Gr33n wrote:On July 31 2013 10:17 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On July 31 2013 10:08 Gr33n wrote:On July 31 2013 09:51 Thieving Magpie wrote:
@gr33n
Wait--so you agree that when women try to talk about their interests on the Internet, they get immediately confronted and run away. Which, by definition, is exactly what feminists say that women are chased off in nerd/online culture causing a disparity in gender populations.
I'm glad you agree with us. what... read what i wrote. i said there are the same number of women abusing men on the internet with webcam shows and sexuality (women have more obvious sexuality then men) as there are men abusing women with classic lines like "get me a sandwich, tits or gtfo" there is literally no dif between these 2 genders and no alienating sexist agenda of men with video games. women are newcomers to the game, and with ALL NEWCOMERS TO ALL THINGS they are not going to be accepted right away and viewed as pretenders/posers or whatever. this isnt because they are women, its because they are new to the scene and people are very protective of it. are women naturally prone to avoid confrontation? im not an expert but it seems that the internet is a great place for a female to speak her mind against the supposed male ostracism and convince them they are wrong my guess? any women who feels "left out" is bad at the game she is playing, putting herself out there without being any good, and then complaining about how "men" treat her bad. i got news for you, anyone who sucks and trys to get attention gets flamed and shit on no matter WHAT gender he/she is. this is gaming, we respect knowledge, skill. passion not sex organ, style, and physical appeal this isnt the E network. Interesting definition of abusing men you got there i think some men are weak and women have better control over her sexuality. there are women who have men wrapped around there finger and thats not abuse lol? men are driven by one thing, women are driven by another. anyone using those drives to bend the other sex to his/her will is abuse. im not sure why women cant be abusive but men can? no one is treating women badly in sc2 they are treating OUTSIDERS who try to make a name for themselves but are bad, badly does anyone intelligent shit talk you? no your an amazing player. when i was coming back to sc2 (took a 2 year break) i thought to myself who has the most solid macro style, while you have never won GSL i instantly thought of your play and tried to find a replay pack. i respect your play and i dont give a shit what gender you or anyone else is. NO ONE CARES IF A GAMER IS A GIRL OR A GUY. thats what im saying. this sexism thing is a falsehood made up by girls who decided to hang out with guys and someone metaphorically slapped her ass and she freaked. has any girl here hung out with groups of guys? guess what guys talk about? tits, ass, sex this is a GUY THING. the same way girls talk about im not sure clothes and hot guys? its prob very similar but i wouldnt presume to go hang out with 10 women and be like LADIES PLEASE, STOP TALKING ABOUT MY PENIS! ITS OFFENSIVE TO PENISI EVERYWHERE! (penisi is the plural of penis look it up in a science book) ill also add that where there is no sexism among intelligent human beings there are a slew of exceptions to the rule running around spewing hate regardless. if you get mad because some stupid ogre mongoloid posting something sexist, you have thin skin. your avg human being doesnt care about men or women. its generally a case about vocal minority Actually, I would disagree with you and say that sexuality and gender does play a role in our every day lives because it is one of the most rudimentary building blocks of who we are and how we identify ourselves. That being said, people will have a different reaction to a particular gamer based on that gamer's gender. But there's nothing inherently wrong with that. Sexuality only becomes an issue when a group of people go out of their way to consciously try to intimidate, harass, excessively tease, or create an uncomfortable or even threatening environment for another individual. Note that I'm not specifically talking about "Lots of men vs one woman", but rather, a very broad outline for how a group of individuals can quite easily chip away at someone's sense of comfort through some form of sexual harassment. For example, if you were in a prison-type of setting, and a very muscular man looked at you and licked his lips, it could potentially be very unnerving, especially if you knew he had a reputation for rape. Of course, this is a somewhat extreme example, but it illustrates a broader point, which is that, while comments about "tits, ass, sex" may not be as directly threatening as the prospect of a sexual assault, can present a woman who is broadcasting a show feel self-conscious, or feel that she is worthless in her work as a caster, and that her viewers are mostly just tuning in to poke fun at her and make sexual overtures and innuendo. If that is the case (And I know it is, in very many cases) then don't expect that caster to stay encouraged enough to keep trying their best. That being said, every woman is different. We're not all the same person. Some women have a very high tolerance to lewd comments and can block it out and stay focused. Others can't. It is very difficult for anyone, regardless of gender, to overcome a lot of crippling criticism unless they have very thick skin. And you can't just grow thick skin overnight.
guys are no dif. are there no women who make fun of men with small penis? or joke that they have one? if i played "fashionista" on the E networks website (a fictional game dominated by 99 percent females) wouldnt i be subject to anti male sentiments in both joking and serious manors? i suspect so. women can be PRETTY lewd in large groups even at a young age.
i went to boarding school for high school and you would have a guy dorm, and a girl dorm. if you were waiting in the female common room for your girlfriend or your guy friend who was with his girlfriend trust me when i say even young girls can be pretty "lewd" when in this female mob mentality. this is not limited to just guys. i once had 3 girls try to take my pants off after basketball practice to "see it". dont tell me women are so dif because they are 100 percent not
furthermore your talking about men "verbally attacking" women on streams with sexual innuendo and you think thats a sc2 thing? or a gaming thing? thats an internet thing. you are not at sc2 interwebs.com, right next door to you on your sc2 internet is the same internet broadcasting sex to the 10th power. trust me when i say the "verbal attacks" are not sc2 related in any way shape or form but rather unfiltered internet assholes. do you read youtube comments lol? do you even read anything else on the internet?
- gaming is dominated by men
- girls can play video games BEAT THE MEN, and BE TREATED EQUALLY
- girls can conversely stream a game they suck at, wear tight clothes and when they get shit from some men, complain that men said something mean to them
- a guy can play a game, suck at it, and get flamed to hell but you dont see him complain about it being a man on man crime
im not saying dress and act like men to be accepted im saying that how on earth is a genderless activity giving girls so much grief unless they bring it upon themselves? the girl kaitlyn who was taken on quantic or ajuil who is a DIAMOND PROTOSS and got on a team are examples of girls abusing the fact that they are girls, or for my semantics guy "taking advantage of a sittuation", and not deserving it. if girls want to be treated equally then you must also WANT to be treated equally.
me a masters player, will never be recruited to a team because there are tons of guys like me. by sc2 standards if i was a team owner i would only ever take players who were at the VERY LEAST gm level. yet somehow 2 girls who cant win a single pro match are "pro gamers". they could have declined the offer because clearly they are there for marketing but they didnt which tells me that some girls complain about inequality and others abuse it. you cant have the best of both worlds
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On July 31 2013 12:22 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 12:08 Gr33n wrote:On July 31 2013 11:45 lichter wrote:On July 31 2013 10:27 Gr33n wrote:On July 31 2013 10:17 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On July 31 2013 10:08 Gr33n wrote:On July 31 2013 09:51 Thieving Magpie wrote:
@gr33n
Wait--so you agree that when women try to talk about their interests on the Internet, they get immediately confronted and run away. Which, by definition, is exactly what feminists say that women are chased off in nerd/online culture causing a disparity in gender populations.
I'm glad you agree with us. what... read what i wrote. i said there are the same number of women abusing men on the internet with webcam shows and sexuality (women have more obvious sexuality then men) as there are men abusing women with classic lines like "get me a sandwich, tits or gtfo" there is literally no dif between these 2 genders and no alienating sexist agenda of men with video games. women are newcomers to the game, and with ALL NEWCOMERS TO ALL THINGS they are not going to be accepted right away and viewed as pretenders/posers or whatever. this isnt because they are women, its because they are new to the scene and people are very protective of it. are women naturally prone to avoid confrontation? im not an expert but it seems that the internet is a great place for a female to speak her mind against the supposed male ostracism and convince them they are wrong my guess? any women who feels "left out" is bad at the game she is playing, putting herself out there without being any good, and then complaining about how "men" treat her bad. i got news for you, anyone who sucks and trys to get attention gets flamed and shit on no matter WHAT gender he/she is. this is gaming, we respect knowledge, skill. passion not sex organ, style, and physical appeal this isnt the E network. Interesting definition of abusing men you got there there are women who have men wrapped around there finger and thats not abuse lol? men are driven by one thing, women are driven by another. anyone using those drives to bend the other sex to his/her will is abuse. im not sure why women cant be abusive but men can? ... what? Seriously I just want you to explain this. I don't understand how this is 'abuse' though I understand you are just saying it is a negative thing. Choosing your words correctly is important. ill also add that where there is no sexism among intelligent human beings there are a slew of exceptions to the rule running around spewing hate regardless. if you get mad because some stupid ogre mongoloid posting something sexist, you have thin skin. your avg human being doesnt care about men or women. its generally a case about vocal minority You need to understand what your words mean. Using 'mongoloid' this way... it doesn't really make you sound very informed. oh ok so semantics are what you value lol. "taking advantage" "negative connotation" i make a few points about "stupid people" and use the word mongoloid which on the internet means "stupid blunt generally unintelligent" and you wana give me the textbook def which then what, makes the things i say less true/valuable? please, it doesnt make me seem uninformed it makes you ignoring the big picture and nit picking rather then addressing what i said. So just because the word means "stupid blunt generally unintelligent" on the internet, it somehow makes it ok to use a word that is supposed to refer to populations that share the same traits (a majority of the Earth's population) as an insult and potentially a racist pejorative? Yes that does make what you say seem less sincere and less valuable because it reveals your character. Show nested quote +your entire post is about NOTHING other then you disapprove of my word choice lol I've already stated my opinion earlier in this thread and in past threads. I see no need to repeat myself for your sake. I have also stated that I will not get any more involved in the debate regarding female casters and sexism and what have you, because it is obvious that the debate is a dead end on these fora. But when people start using words they don't understand and throw around insults, I must speak. Show nested quote +my point was just that the same way guys "abuse girls on the internet" is the same way girls USE or TAKE ADVANTAGE of guys on the internet or in real life. there is a clear parallel that can be drawn between the two. when a girl streams with massive cleavage and a webcam she ruins the respect for the other serious gamer girls and at the same time is taking advantage of guys who are sexually driven. its EXACTLY the same in the grand scheme of things. Men that want that sexual stimulation receive a benefit from what promiscuous girls do. Yes they get manipulated and controlled, but it is not similar to throwing insults at someone. How you make that logical leap is beyond me. There is no parallel, though perhaps a small tangent. Throwing insults (at the least) provides no benefit for the receiver. The receiver does not want it, tries to avoid it, but the abuser cares not for the receiver's preferences. Promiscuous girls on stream provide a service (however wrong, however frowned upon), and men actively seek it.
so what you are saying is basically this
- a bad guy gamer will NEVER be insulted
- a bad girl gamer will always be insulted
is this correct? i disagree lol. go find me a plat sc2 player who does cosplay and is male, and watch the hate that ensues lol
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where are the female casters of professional football/soccer ? , where are the female casters of professional SC2 ? thats right 99.9% of women dont even care about those things . how is surprising that there are no female casters? how?
this is the worst thead in history of teamliquid.
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On July 31 2013 12:28 insanet wrote:
where are the female casters of professional football/soccer ? , where are the female casters of professional SC2 ? thats right 99.9% of women dont even care about those things . how is surprising that there are no female casters? how?
this is the worst thead in history of teamliquid.
i said that earlier but i actually enjoy stomping on white knights without a logical bone in his/her body
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 31 2013 12:26 Gr33n wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 12:22 lichter wrote:On July 31 2013 12:08 Gr33n wrote:On July 31 2013 11:45 lichter wrote:On July 31 2013 10:27 Gr33n wrote:On July 31 2013 10:17 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On July 31 2013 10:08 Gr33n wrote:On July 31 2013 09:51 Thieving Magpie wrote:
@gr33n
Wait--so you agree that when women try to talk about their interests on the Internet, they get immediately confronted and run away. Which, by definition, is exactly what feminists say that women are chased off in nerd/online culture causing a disparity in gender populations.
I'm glad you agree with us. what... read what i wrote. i said there are the same number of women abusing men on the internet with webcam shows and sexuality (women have more obvious sexuality then men) as there are men abusing women with classic lines like "get me a sandwich, tits or gtfo" there is literally no dif between these 2 genders and no alienating sexist agenda of men with video games. women are newcomers to the game, and with ALL NEWCOMERS TO ALL THINGS they are not going to be accepted right away and viewed as pretenders/posers or whatever. this isnt because they are women, its because they are new to the scene and people are very protective of it. are women naturally prone to avoid confrontation? im not an expert but it seems that the internet is a great place for a female to speak her mind against the supposed male ostracism and convince them they are wrong my guess? any women who feels "left out" is bad at the game she is playing, putting herself out there without being any good, and then complaining about how "men" treat her bad. i got news for you, anyone who sucks and trys to get attention gets flamed and shit on no matter WHAT gender he/she is. this is gaming, we respect knowledge, skill. passion not sex organ, style, and physical appeal this isnt the E network. Interesting definition of abusing men you got there there are women who have men wrapped around there finger and thats not abuse lol? men are driven by one thing, women are driven by another. anyone using those drives to bend the other sex to his/her will is abuse. im not sure why women cant be abusive but men can? ... what? Seriously I just want you to explain this. I don't understand how this is 'abuse' though I understand you are just saying it is a negative thing. Choosing your words correctly is important. ill also add that where there is no sexism among intelligent human beings there are a slew of exceptions to the rule running around spewing hate regardless. if you get mad because some stupid ogre mongoloid posting something sexist, you have thin skin. your avg human being doesnt care about men or women. its generally a case about vocal minority You need to understand what your words mean. Using 'mongoloid' this way... it doesn't really make you sound very informed. oh ok so semantics are what you value lol. "taking advantage" "negative connotation" i make a few points about "stupid people" and use the word mongoloid which on the internet means "stupid blunt generally unintelligent" and you wana give me the textbook def which then what, makes the things i say less true/valuable? please, it doesnt make me seem uninformed it makes you ignoring the big picture and nit picking rather then addressing what i said. So just because the word means "stupid blunt generally unintelligent" on the internet, it somehow makes it ok to use a word that is supposed to refer to populations that share the same traits (a majority of the Earth's population) as an insult and potentially a racist pejorative? Yes that does make what you say seem less sincere and less valuable because it reveals your character. your entire post is about NOTHING other then you disapprove of my word choice lol I've already stated my opinion earlier in this thread and in past threads. I see no need to repeat myself for your sake. I have also stated that I will not get any more involved in the debate regarding female casters and sexism and what have you, because it is obvious that the debate is a dead end on these fora. But when people start using words they don't understand and throw around insults, I must speak. my point was just that the same way guys "abuse girls on the internet" is the same way girls USE or TAKE ADVANTAGE of guys on the internet or in real life. there is a clear parallel that can be drawn between the two. when a girl streams with massive cleavage and a webcam she ruins the respect for the other serious gamer girls and at the same time is taking advantage of guys who are sexually driven. its EXACTLY the same in the grand scheme of things. Men that want that sexual stimulation receive a benefit from what promiscuous girls do. Yes they get manipulated and controlled, but it is not similar to throwing insults at someone. How you make that logical leap is beyond me. There is no parallel, though perhaps a small tangent. Throwing insults (at the least) provides no benefit for the receiver. The receiver does not want it, tries to avoid it, but the abuser cares not for the receiver's preferences. Promiscuous girls on stream provide a service (however wrong, however frowned upon), and men actively seek it. so what you are saying is basically this - a bad guy gamer will NEVER be insulted - a bad girl gamer will always be insulted is this correct? i disagree lol. go find me a plat sc2 player who does cosplay and is male, and watch the hate that ensues lol
How you draw these conclusions from my post is beyond me.
A summary of my post:
1. The term 'mongoloid' should not be used as an insult. It's not supposed to be an insult but has become a popular racist pejorative.
2. Use your words wisely because inadvertently opting to use racist insults makes you look bad, and your argument worse.
3. Insulting a reluctant woman and Seducing a receptive man are not equally "abuse".
I did not mention anything about it being alright for men to be insulted. I did not mention anything about women being insulted as a standard that always happens.
I don't care if someone is bad at a game. They can stream it if they want to. Constructive criticism can be provided.
Insults, no matter the time, the place, or the circumstances, are unnecessary.
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Northern Ireland27003 Posts
On July 31 2013 12:29 Gr33n wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 12:28 insanet wrote:
where are the female casters of professional football/soccer ? , where are the female casters of professional SC2 ? thats right 99.9% of women dont even care about those things . how is surprising that there are no female casters? how?
this is the worst thead in history of teamliquid. i said that earlier but i actually enjoy stomping on white knights without a logical bone in his/her body
You're not stomping on anyone. Even the sprinkling of sentiment I would agree with is articulated appallingly and consists solely of generalisations presented as immutable fact.
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On July 31 2013 12:26 Gr33n wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 12:22 lichter wrote:On July 31 2013 12:08 Gr33n wrote:On July 31 2013 11:45 lichter wrote:On July 31 2013 10:27 Gr33n wrote:On July 31 2013 10:17 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On July 31 2013 10:08 Gr33n wrote:On July 31 2013 09:51 Thieving Magpie wrote:
@gr33n
Wait--so you agree that when women try to talk about their interests on the Internet, they get immediately confronted and run away. Which, by definition, is exactly what feminists say that women are chased off in nerd/online culture causing a disparity in gender populations.
I'm glad you agree with us. what... read what i wrote. i said there are the same number of women abusing men on the internet with webcam shows and sexuality (women have more obvious sexuality then men) as there are men abusing women with classic lines like "get me a sandwich, tits or gtfo" there is literally no dif between these 2 genders and no alienating sexist agenda of men with video games. women are newcomers to the game, and with ALL NEWCOMERS TO ALL THINGS they are not going to be accepted right away and viewed as pretenders/posers or whatever. this isnt because they are women, its because they are new to the scene and people are very protective of it. are women naturally prone to avoid confrontation? im not an expert but it seems that the internet is a great place for a female to speak her mind against the supposed male ostracism and convince them they are wrong my guess? any women who feels "left out" is bad at the game she is playing, putting herself out there without being any good, and then complaining about how "men" treat her bad. i got news for you, anyone who sucks and trys to get attention gets flamed and shit on no matter WHAT gender he/she is. this is gaming, we respect knowledge, skill. passion not sex organ, style, and physical appeal this isnt the E network. Interesting definition of abusing men you got there there are women who have men wrapped around there finger and thats not abuse lol? men are driven by one thing, women are driven by another. anyone using those drives to bend the other sex to his/her will is abuse. im not sure why women cant be abusive but men can? ... what? Seriously I just want you to explain this. I don't understand how this is 'abuse' though I understand you are just saying it is a negative thing. Choosing your words correctly is important. ill also add that where there is no sexism among intelligent human beings there are a slew of exceptions to the rule running around spewing hate regardless. if you get mad because some stupid ogre mongoloid posting something sexist, you have thin skin. your avg human being doesnt care about men or women. its generally a case about vocal minority You need to understand what your words mean. Using 'mongoloid' this way... it doesn't really make you sound very informed. oh ok so semantics are what you value lol. "taking advantage" "negative connotation" i make a few points about "stupid people" and use the word mongoloid which on the internet means "stupid blunt generally unintelligent" and you wana give me the textbook def which then what, makes the things i say less true/valuable? please, it doesnt make me seem uninformed it makes you ignoring the big picture and nit picking rather then addressing what i said. So just because the word means "stupid blunt generally unintelligent" on the internet, it somehow makes it ok to use a word that is supposed to refer to populations that share the same traits (a majority of the Earth's population) as an insult and potentially a racist pejorative? Yes that does make what you say seem less sincere and less valuable because it reveals your character. your entire post is about NOTHING other then you disapprove of my word choice lol I've already stated my opinion earlier in this thread and in past threads. I see no need to repeat myself for your sake. I have also stated that I will not get any more involved in the debate regarding female casters and sexism and what have you, because it is obvious that the debate is a dead end on these fora. But when people start using words they don't understand and throw around insults, I must speak. my point was just that the same way guys "abuse girls on the internet" is the same way girls USE or TAKE ADVANTAGE of guys on the internet or in real life. there is a clear parallel that can be drawn between the two. when a girl streams with massive cleavage and a webcam she ruins the respect for the other serious gamer girls and at the same time is taking advantage of guys who are sexually driven. its EXACTLY the same in the grand scheme of things. Men that want that sexual stimulation receive a benefit from what promiscuous girls do. Yes they get manipulated and controlled, but it is not similar to throwing insults at someone. How you make that logical leap is beyond me. There is no parallel, though perhaps a small tangent. Throwing insults (at the least) provides no benefit for the receiver. The receiver does not want it, tries to avoid it, but the abuser cares not for the receiver's preferences. Promiscuous girls on stream provide a service (however wrong, however frowned upon), and men actively seek it. so what you are saying is basically this - a bad guy gamer will NEVER be insulted - a bad girl gamer will always be insulted is this correct? i disagree lol. go find me a plat sc2 player who does cosplay and is male, and watch the hate that ensues lol
Your leaps of logic and thought are ground breaking. It's amazing with people like you that we don't have more women in the scene.
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On July 31 2013 12:31 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 12:26 Gr33n wrote:On July 31 2013 12:22 lichter wrote:On July 31 2013 12:08 Gr33n wrote:On July 31 2013 11:45 lichter wrote:On July 31 2013 10:27 Gr33n wrote:On July 31 2013 10:17 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On July 31 2013 10:08 Gr33n wrote:On July 31 2013 09:51 Thieving Magpie wrote:
@gr33n
Wait--so you agree that when women try to talk about their interests on the Internet, they get immediately confronted and run away. Which, by definition, is exactly what feminists say that women are chased off in nerd/online culture causing a disparity in gender populations.
I'm glad you agree with us. what... read what i wrote. i said there are the same number of women abusing men on the internet with webcam shows and sexuality (women have more obvious sexuality then men) as there are men abusing women with classic lines like "get me a sandwich, tits or gtfo" there is literally no dif between these 2 genders and no alienating sexist agenda of men with video games. women are newcomers to the game, and with ALL NEWCOMERS TO ALL THINGS they are not going to be accepted right away and viewed as pretenders/posers or whatever. this isnt because they are women, its because they are new to the scene and people are very protective of it. are women naturally prone to avoid confrontation? im not an expert but it seems that the internet is a great place for a female to speak her mind against the supposed male ostracism and convince them they are wrong my guess? any women who feels "left out" is bad at the game she is playing, putting herself out there without being any good, and then complaining about how "men" treat her bad. i got news for you, anyone who sucks and trys to get attention gets flamed and shit on no matter WHAT gender he/she is. this is gaming, we respect knowledge, skill. passion not sex organ, style, and physical appeal this isnt the E network. Interesting definition of abusing men you got there there are women who have men wrapped around there finger and thats not abuse lol? men are driven by one thing, women are driven by another. anyone using those drives to bend the other sex to his/her will is abuse. im not sure why women cant be abusive but men can? ... what? Seriously I just want you to explain this. I don't understand how this is 'abuse' though I understand you are just saying it is a negative thing. Choosing your words correctly is important. ill also add that where there is no sexism among intelligent human beings there are a slew of exceptions to the rule running around spewing hate regardless. if you get mad because some stupid ogre mongoloid posting something sexist, you have thin skin. your avg human being doesnt care about men or women. its generally a case about vocal minority You need to understand what your words mean. Using 'mongoloid' this way... it doesn't really make you sound very informed. oh ok so semantics are what you value lol. "taking advantage" "negative connotation" i make a few points about "stupid people" and use the word mongoloid which on the internet means "stupid blunt generally unintelligent" and you wana give me the textbook def which then what, makes the things i say less true/valuable? please, it doesnt make me seem uninformed it makes you ignoring the big picture and nit picking rather then addressing what i said. So just because the word means "stupid blunt generally unintelligent" on the internet, it somehow makes it ok to use a word that is supposed to refer to populations that share the same traits (a majority of the Earth's population) as an insult and potentially a racist pejorative? Yes that does make what you say seem less sincere and less valuable because it reveals your character. your entire post is about NOTHING other then you disapprove of my word choice lol I've already stated my opinion earlier in this thread and in past threads. I see no need to repeat myself for your sake. I have also stated that I will not get any more involved in the debate regarding female casters and sexism and what have you, because it is obvious that the debate is a dead end on these fora. But when people start using words they don't understand and throw around insults, I must speak. my point was just that the same way guys "abuse girls on the internet" is the same way girls USE or TAKE ADVANTAGE of guys on the internet or in real life. there is a clear parallel that can be drawn between the two. when a girl streams with massive cleavage and a webcam she ruins the respect for the other serious gamer girls and at the same time is taking advantage of guys who are sexually driven. its EXACTLY the same in the grand scheme of things. Men that want that sexual stimulation receive a benefit from what promiscuous girls do. Yes they get manipulated and controlled, but it is not similar to throwing insults at someone. How you make that logical leap is beyond me. There is no parallel, though perhaps a small tangent. Throwing insults (at the least) provides no benefit for the receiver. The receiver does not want it, tries to avoid it, but the abuser cares not for the receiver's preferences. Promiscuous girls on stream provide a service (however wrong, however frowned upon), and men actively seek it. so what you are saying is basically this - a bad guy gamer will NEVER be insulted - a bad girl gamer will always be insulted is this correct? i disagree lol. go find me a plat sc2 player who does cosplay and is male, and watch the hate that ensues lol How you draw these conclusions from my post is beyond me. A summary of my post: 1. The term 'mongoloid' should not be used as an insult. It's not supposed to be an insult but has become a popular racist pejorative. 2. Use your words wisely because inadvertently opting to use racist insults makes you look bad, and your argument worse. 3. Insulting a reluctant woman and Seducing a receptive man are not equally "abuse". I did not mention anything about it being alright for men to be insulted. I did not mention anything about women being insulted as a standard that always happens. I don't care if someone is bad at a game. They can stream it if they want to. Constructive criticism can be provided. Insults, no matter the time, the place, or the circumstances, are unnecessary.
ok fine but your problem is not with sc2 but the internet. people insult EVERYONE for EVERY REASON on the internet. its not because they are a girl or a guy, they are insulting people on the internet because they think its fun or they wana try and be witty. no one is honestly insulting WOMEN they are insulting PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET. you cant find me one GOOD GIRL GAMER stream where groups of people are insulting them. it doesnt exist.
- i will repeat this. there are no talented girl gamers who are being attacked anywhere on the internet anything CLOSE to what is being described in this thread
and im sorry to those people formulating thoughts with the intent to express higher levels of intelligence by adding unnecessary large words and such but my overall posts are easy to understand. the content matters not the packaging which is ironic on a thread about girls casting video games and being shunned from the community because of "her packaging"
there is no sexism in gaming there are sexist COMMENTS on the internet and you cant refute this its a fact
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On July 31 2013 12:38 Gr33n wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 12:31 lichter wrote:On July 31 2013 12:26 Gr33n wrote:On July 31 2013 12:22 lichter wrote:On July 31 2013 12:08 Gr33n wrote:On July 31 2013 11:45 lichter wrote:On July 31 2013 10:27 Gr33n wrote:On July 31 2013 10:17 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On July 31 2013 10:08 Gr33n wrote:On July 31 2013 09:51 Thieving Magpie wrote:
@gr33n
Wait--so you agree that when women try to talk about their interests on the Internet, they get immediately confronted and run away. Which, by definition, is exactly what feminists say that women are chased off in nerd/online culture causing a disparity in gender populations.
I'm glad you agree with us. what... read what i wrote. i said there are the same number of women abusing men on the internet with webcam shows and sexuality (women have more obvious sexuality then men) as there are men abusing women with classic lines like "get me a sandwich, tits or gtfo" there is literally no dif between these 2 genders and no alienating sexist agenda of men with video games. women are newcomers to the game, and with ALL NEWCOMERS TO ALL THINGS they are not going to be accepted right away and viewed as pretenders/posers or whatever. this isnt because they are women, its because they are new to the scene and people are very protective of it. are women naturally prone to avoid confrontation? im not an expert but it seems that the internet is a great place for a female to speak her mind against the supposed male ostracism and convince them they are wrong my guess? any women who feels "left out" is bad at the game she is playing, putting herself out there without being any good, and then complaining about how "men" treat her bad. i got news for you, anyone who sucks and trys to get attention gets flamed and shit on no matter WHAT gender he/she is. this is gaming, we respect knowledge, skill. passion not sex organ, style, and physical appeal this isnt the E network. Interesting definition of abusing men you got there there are women who have men wrapped around there finger and thats not abuse lol? men are driven by one thing, women are driven by another. anyone using those drives to bend the other sex to his/her will is abuse. im not sure why women cant be abusive but men can? ... what? Seriously I just want you to explain this. I don't understand how this is 'abuse' though I understand you are just saying it is a negative thing. Choosing your words correctly is important. ill also add that where there is no sexism among intelligent human beings there are a slew of exceptions to the rule running around spewing hate regardless. if you get mad because some stupid ogre mongoloid posting something sexist, you have thin skin. your avg human being doesnt care about men or women. its generally a case about vocal minority You need to understand what your words mean. Using 'mongoloid' this way... it doesn't really make you sound very informed. oh ok so semantics are what you value lol. "taking advantage" "negative connotation" i make a few points about "stupid people" and use the word mongoloid which on the internet means "stupid blunt generally unintelligent" and you wana give me the textbook def which then what, makes the things i say less true/valuable? please, it doesnt make me seem uninformed it makes you ignoring the big picture and nit picking rather then addressing what i said. So just because the word means "stupid blunt generally unintelligent" on the internet, it somehow makes it ok to use a word that is supposed to refer to populations that share the same traits (a majority of the Earth's population) as an insult and potentially a racist pejorative? Yes that does make what you say seem less sincere and less valuable because it reveals your character. your entire post is about NOTHING other then you disapprove of my word choice lol I've already stated my opinion earlier in this thread and in past threads. I see no need to repeat myself for your sake. I have also stated that I will not get any more involved in the debate regarding female casters and sexism and what have you, because it is obvious that the debate is a dead end on these fora. But when people start using words they don't understand and throw around insults, I must speak. my point was just that the same way guys "abuse girls on the internet" is the same way girls USE or TAKE ADVANTAGE of guys on the internet or in real life. there is a clear parallel that can be drawn between the two. when a girl streams with massive cleavage and a webcam she ruins the respect for the other serious gamer girls and at the same time is taking advantage of guys who are sexually driven. its EXACTLY the same in the grand scheme of things. Men that want that sexual stimulation receive a benefit from what promiscuous girls do. Yes they get manipulated and controlled, but it is not similar to throwing insults at someone. How you make that logical leap is beyond me. There is no parallel, though perhaps a small tangent. Throwing insults (at the least) provides no benefit for the receiver. The receiver does not want it, tries to avoid it, but the abuser cares not for the receiver's preferences. Promiscuous girls on stream provide a service (however wrong, however frowned upon), and men actively seek it. so what you are saying is basically this - a bad guy gamer will NEVER be insulted - a bad girl gamer will always be insulted is this correct? i disagree lol. go find me a plat sc2 player who does cosplay and is male, and watch the hate that ensues lol How you draw these conclusions from my post is beyond me. A summary of my post: 1. The term 'mongoloid' should not be used as an insult. It's not supposed to be an insult but has become a popular racist pejorative. 2. Use your words wisely because inadvertently opting to use racist insults makes you look bad, and your argument worse. 3. Insulting a reluctant woman and Seducing a receptive man are not equally "abuse". I did not mention anything about it being alright for men to be insulted. I did not mention anything about women being insulted as a standard that always happens. I don't care if someone is bad at a game. They can stream it if they want to. Constructive criticism can be provided. Insults, no matter the time, the place, or the circumstances, are unnecessary. ok fine but your problem is not with sc2 but the internet. people insult EVERYONE for EVERY REASON on the internet. its not because they are a girl or a guy, they are insulting people on the internet because they think its fun or they wana try and be witty. no one is honestly insulting WOMEN they are insulting PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET. you cant find me one GOOD GIRL GAMER stream where groups of people are insulting them. it doesnt exist. - i will repeat this. there are no talented girl gamers who are being attacked anywhere on the internet anything CLOSE to what is being described in this thread and im sorry to those people formulating thoughts with the intent to express higher levels of intelligence by adding unnecessary large words and such but my overall posts are easy to understand. the content matters not the packaging which is ironic on a thread about girls casting video games and being shunned from the community because of "her packaging" there is no sexism in gaming there are sexist COMMENTS on the internet and you cant refute this its a fact
WTF? Her packaging? Really? You feel bad for people who use words you think are to big and unnecessary? And why do we need to find a girl gamer that fits your standard of good? I thought it was ok for anyone to stream, regardless of skill?
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On July 31 2013 10:27 Gr33n wrote:
opinions Dude, you really should quit while you're... well, I wouldn't say ahead but before the deficit widens, lets leave it at that. 
But what I came in to to speak about was a caster I came upon when cruising the right-hand "on air" column for something to watch, a month ago or so. It was a team tourney a step or two below the pro level with the usual "bedroom crew" of casters (hey, I don't mind lacking of some fancy studio and even WCS used people sitting on skype in their homes in challenger league casting didn't they?):
A couple of dudes doing play-by-play casting, decently enough iirc, but the third caster, that handled the analytical side of things much more than the other two, was female and she was doing one hell of a job! Very knowledgable about the game, talkative, entertaining and always using her comprehension about the game in the casting and analysis. In the "picking apart and expaining the gameplay" department I'd say she was doing damn well better than some, if not many, of the professional casters out there right now...
I've seen her casting some other minor event(s) and hopefully she stays onto that course! She's a great caster, nothing more to say about it really. 
Managed to find her stream: ZombieGrub
Couldn't for the life of me remember her handle...
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How Tachion? How can a thread about female casters get up to 570+ posts? You know you're curious, go check it out.
god dammit tachion.
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Northern Ireland27003 Posts
On July 31 2013 12:49 Tachion wrote:
How Tachion? How can a thread about female casters get up to 570+ posts? You know you're curious, go check it out.
god dammit tachion.
There are good posts, I swears 
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 31 2013 12:50 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 12:49 Tachion wrote:
How Tachion? How can a thread about female casters get up to 570+ posts? You know you're curious, go check it out.
god dammit tachion. There are good posts, I swears
The only good post in this thread is
On July 28 2013 19:40 lichter wrote:
Soe is awesome
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Northern Ireland27003 Posts
On July 31 2013 12:52 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 12:50 Wombat_NI wrote:On July 31 2013 12:49 Tachion wrote:
How Tachion? How can a thread about female casters get up to 570+ posts? You know you're curious, go check it out.
god dammit tachion. There are good posts, I swears The only good post in this thread is
Terrible post, didn't even have the respect for the radiant Soe to do her the courtesy of using a full-stop at the end of your sentence.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 31 2013 12:52 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 12:52 lichter wrote:On July 31 2013 12:50 Wombat_NI wrote:On July 31 2013 12:49 Tachion wrote:
How Tachion? How can a thread about female casters get up to 570+ posts? You know you're curious, go check it out.
god dammit tachion. There are good posts, I swears The only good post in this thread is On July 28 2013 19:40 lichter wrote:
Soe is awesome Terrible post, didn't even have the respect for the radiant Soe to do her the courtesy of using a full-stop at the end of your sentence.
Fool, it's because her awesomeness is endless.
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Northern Ireland27003 Posts
On July 31 2013 12:53 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 12:52 Wombat_NI wrote:On July 31 2013 12:52 lichter wrote:On July 31 2013 12:50 Wombat_NI wrote:On July 31 2013 12:49 Tachion wrote:
How Tachion? How can a thread about female casters get up to 570+ posts? You know you're curious, go check it out.
god dammit tachion. There are good posts, I swears The only good post in this thread is On July 28 2013 19:40 lichter wrote:
Soe is awesome Terrible post, didn't even have the respect for the radiant Soe to do her the courtesy of using a full-stop at the end of your sentence. Fool, it's because her awesomeness is endless.
Fuck me, well played sir. Point conceded.
Incidentally, not being facetious or jokey, Soe is a pretty good broadcaster/personality and all-round good egg.
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