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On July 31 2013 04:56 MstrJinbo wrote:Show nested quote +Because it's a non-factor. Women will be treated properly if they simply make their gender a non-factor. It's when you start bitching and crying about how people are saying nice tits/slut/etc. that it becomes a big deal, and the shitstorm begins. Other streamers that have other 'stand out' factors regularly get insulted/hate mail all the time. Women just so happen to be a nice big target for trolls because there's a significant population, though not quite enough of them to make them 'common/bland/oh i've seen that already'. So here's the solution. Women start casting and streaming in Nixon masks and then we will stop being assholes to them 
I don't think that would solve the issue (for female casting at least) because I personally believe it's a voice issue. Look at any public speaking role and you will see that it is male dominated. Sure, a nice female voice is pleasant to listen to for short periods of time, hence why they dominate professions such as secretaries, assistants, concierges, reporters, etc... but when it comes to listening to a female voice for extended periods of time, it can get... to be blunt, annoying. Especially in a casting situation where they will may end up shrieking and screaming at times.
Maybe I'm just scarred from growing up in a household of 4 females with me being the only male in the house and my assumption is completely off base.
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On July 31 2013 05:00 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 04:56 MstrJinbo wrote:Because it's a non-factor. Women will be treated properly if they simply make their gender a non-factor. It's when you start bitching and crying about how people are saying nice tits/slut/etc. that it becomes a big deal, and the shitstorm begins. Other streamers that have other 'stand out' factors regularly get insulted/hate mail all the time. Women just so happen to be a nice big target for trolls because there's a significant population, though not quite enough of them to make them 'common/bland/oh i've seen that already'. So here's the solution. Women start casting and streaming in Nixon masks and then we will stop being assholes to them Clearly if they don't bring up their gender or make us aware they are a girl, then the issue will go away. And they should stop complaining about people talking about their bodies in mean ways, because that only fuels the problem. Sure, I mean, we could blame the people making the comments and I would get in a fist fight with anyone who said that to my sister in person, but why do that? Its easier to put the burden on the woman, because she is the one causing it with her gender.
He's okay with women so long as he doesn't know they're women, because that would be way too weird for him.
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On July 31 2013 05:44 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 04:56 MstrJinbo wrote:Because it's a non-factor. Women will be treated properly if they simply make their gender a non-factor. It's when you start bitching and crying about how people are saying nice tits/slut/etc. that it becomes a big deal, and the shitstorm begins. Other streamers that have other 'stand out' factors regularly get insulted/hate mail all the time. Women just so happen to be a nice big target for trolls because there's a significant population, though not quite enough of them to make them 'common/bland/oh i've seen that already'. So here's the solution. Women start casting and streaming in Nixon masks and then we will stop being assholes to them I don't think that would solve the issue (for female casting at least) because I personally believe it's a voice issue. Look at any public speaking role and you will see that it is male dominated. Sure, a nice female voice is pleasant to listen to for short periods of time, hence why they dominate professions such as secretaries, assistants, concierges, reporters, etc... but when it comes to listening to a female voice for extended periods of time, it can get... to be blunt, annoying. Especially in a casting situation where they will may end up shrieking and screaming at times. Maybe I'm just scarred from growing up in a household of 4 females with me being the only male in the house and my assumption is completely off base.
OR
Some women are better speakers than others much like some men are better speakers than others and what makes them good speakers is not their maleness/femaleness
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On July 31 2013 05:42 Plansix wrote:
Furthermore, in male-dominated graduate programs,
female students show lower feelings of competence than
male students show [Ulku-Steiner, Kurtz-Costes, and Kinlaw
2000].
I cited this section a page ago and in the post you quoted.
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And how is that establish a causality ?
in volleyball-player dominated sport program, people tend to be of higher average height than the general population...
does that means that playing volleyball cause you to be tall ?
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On July 31 2013 05:46 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Some women are better speakers than others much like some men are better speakers than others and what makes them good speakers is not their maleness/femaleness
I can certainly agree with _that_.
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On July 31 2013 06:03 shmget wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 05:42 Plansix wrote:
Furthermore, in male-dominated graduate programs,
female students show lower feelings of competence than
male students show [Ulku-Steiner, Kurtz-Costes, and Kinlaw
2000].
I cited this section a page ago and in the post you quoted.
And how is that establish a causality ? in volleyball-player dominated sport program, people tend to be of higher average height than the general population... does that means that playing volleyball cause you to be tall ?
There's a footnote. That means you can look up the paper with the evidence if you are so inclined.
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On July 31 2013 06:03 shmget wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 05:42 Plansix wrote:
Furthermore, in male-dominated graduate programs,
female students show lower feelings of competence than
male students show [Ulku-Steiner, Kurtz-Costes, and Kinlaw
2000].
I cited this section a page ago and in the post you quoted.
And how is that establish a causality ? in volleyball-player dominated sport program, people tend to be of higher average height than the general population... does that means that playing volleyball cause you to be tall ? [/i]
Do your own research on your own time. You accused me of making shit up. I pointed out that you were lazy and didn't read the thread or study.
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On July 31 2013 05:02 shmget wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 01:47 Opera wrote:On July 31 2013 01:38 shmget wrote:
Also, boys/girls bands are incredibly sexists.
yes they are indeed... but that is not to say that they are evil and should be banned from the world. There are _plenty_ of entertainment form that I find anywhere from disgusting to indifferent... but to each its own. thankfully no one forced me to go to a Patrick Bruel concert, or to a Spice Grils one either for that mattter :-). Yes it is. At least in the form they always existed. If there was a band which was incredibly racist or antisemitic there would be pitchforks everywhere and they would be banned form performing anywhere (just look at what happened with Dieudonné). I know it's hard to proceed because of the world we live in, especially as a male, but sexism is as bad as racism. Sexism is not just sexual harassment or kitchen jokes, just as racism is not just KKK or nazism. Then you should be banned with a pitchfork too, because you just made a sexist comment ( 'especially as a male' )I know it is hard to proceed because of the world we live in, but sexism, like racism is not a one way street. it bite both ways. so be _very_ careful before deciding that it is OK to ban speech or activities on the ground that it offend _you_, because if _that_ is the bar then your own speeches and activity will be subject to the same... and anything you say or do is bound to offend someone, somewhere.... I do find boys/girls band 'sexist' but I am not in one, and I do not go to their concert... what other consenting adult choose to do on their free time is not mine to moralize. Btw, you can ban all the Dieudonne of the planet from performing... but that does not does anything wrt to racism. And as I said that cut both ways : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/FranSSe (just a random example picked-up out of a quick google search) Should the Calendrier Aubade be banned as 'porn' ? (yep, in the US, the content of it is described, by the same people that are crusading for PC everywhere, as 'porn'. look-up 'CouchDB talk 2009)
Beleive it or not, just stating male or female is not sexist. It's more difficult for a male to process sexism because as a male you have to reconsider privileges you have. Just as racism is more difficult to perceive for white people.
Sexism does offend much more people than me, and I'm open to disscussion about any of my statements/opinions. If I offend someone I didn't intend to, I'm willing to apologize and recognize my wrongs.
Your link makes me think of Poe's law.
The Aubade calendar is marketing for a lingerie brand and very art oriented. And plus, why should porn be banned ?
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On July 31 2013 06:12 Opera wrote:
Beleive it or not, just stating male or female is not sexist. It's more difficult for a male to process sexism because as a male you have to reconsider privileges you have. Just as racism is more difficult to perceive for white people.
believe it or not _that_ is a sexis+racist statement.
You are attributing my ability to comprehend something to my alleged gender and/or alleged 'race'. (making a generic claim of privilege based on the same is not doing anything to mitigate the prejudice)
yes, I am aware that the very same type of claims are being made against women by some in this very thread, but indeed it is copiously labeled as 'sexism'... so again that cut both way.
Just to be clear: my position is: I am gender-agnostic with regard to any activities that does not relate to choosing a sexual partner... in that one I am very sexist since I immediately and irrevocably have a very strong bias toward one gender. For the rest... I really do not care what is your gender, as long as _you_ don't make it my problem to care.
Sexism does offend much more people than me, and I'm open to disscussion about any of my statements/opinions. If I offend someone I didn't intend to, I'm willing to apologize and recognize my wrongs.
your opinions are yours to have... _I_ do not have the 'right not to be offended', and _you_ do not have to apologize for holding them. I may disagree with such opinions, but that does not give me the right to suppress them. I may try to convince you that they are ill-advised/wrong etc... but I do not have the right to force you, to bully you into publicly uphold something you do not believe in, or apologize for something you do.
you're talking about 'Mister M' right ? I did not know about him... it just turn out that some people actually try to bring him to justice for his words (and failed thankfully...), so I doubt that was a case of Poe's law :-)
But the fact that I did not know about him, and apparently neither did you, but we both knew about Dieudonné is indicative, I think, of the asymmetry I was referring too.
The Aubade calendar is marketing for a lingerie brand and very art oriented. And plus, why should porn be banned ?
Heh, you do not need to convince _me_ I wholly agree with you there... I'm just pointing out that the same people that are arguing that it is everybody else's fault for them not showing up and participating, also have successfully organized public campaign of uproar against sexism on the ground that the Aubade calandar is 'porn', demeaning to women, and even arguing that showing it to a group of 'male' would immediately put sex in their mind and therefore put women present at risk of assault'
No I'm not making that up... that _was_ the argument made in that CoughDB presentation 'incident' I mentioned.
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Northern Ireland23825 Posts
On July 31 2013 06:12 Opera wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 05:02 shmget wrote:On July 31 2013 01:47 Opera wrote:On July 31 2013 01:38 shmget wrote:
Also, boys/girls bands are incredibly sexists.
yes they are indeed... but that is not to say that they are evil and should be banned from the world. There are _plenty_ of entertainment form that I find anywhere from disgusting to indifferent... but to each its own. thankfully no one forced me to go to a Patrick Bruel concert, or to a Spice Grils one either for that mattter :-). Yes it is. At least in the form they always existed. If there was a band which was incredibly racist or antisemitic there would be pitchforks everywhere and they would be banned form performing anywhere (just look at what happened with Dieudonné). I know it's hard to proceed because of the world we live in, especially as a male, but sexism is as bad as racism. Sexism is not just sexual harassment or kitchen jokes, just as racism is not just KKK or nazism. Then you should be banned with a pitchfork too, because you just made a sexist comment ( 'especially as a male' )I know it is hard to proceed because of the world we live in, but sexism, like racism is not a one way street. it bite both ways. so be _very_ careful before deciding that it is OK to ban speech or activities on the ground that it offend _you_, because if _that_ is the bar then your own speeches and activity will be subject to the same... and anything you say or do is bound to offend someone, somewhere.... I do find boys/girls band 'sexist' but I am not in one, and I do not go to their concert... what other consenting adult choose to do on their free time is not mine to moralize. Btw, you can ban all the Dieudonne of the planet from performing... but that does not does anything wrt to racism. And as I said that cut both ways : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/FranSSe (just a random example picked-up out of a quick google search) Should the Calendrier Aubade be banned as 'porn' ? (yep, in the US, the content of it is described, by the same people that are crusading for PC everywhere, as 'porn'. look-up 'CouchDB talk 2009) Beleive it or not, just stating male or female is not sexist. It's more difficult for a male to process sexism because as a male you have to reconsider privileges you have. Just as racism is more difficult to perceive for white people. Sexism does offend much more people than me, and I'm open to disscussion about any of my statements/opinions. If I offend someone I didn't intend to, I'm willing to apologize and recognize my wrongs. Your link makes me think of Poe's law. The Aubade calendar is marketing for a lingerie brand and very art oriented. And plus, why should porn be banned ?
Indeed, it shouldn't be something to be hidden away. However, 'Girl Gamer streaming Starcraft ladder!' as a title for Twitch broadcasts is not particularly helpful in extricating yourself from being pigeonholed and treated as an individual. Not just to do with sex, but equally I don't like '12 yo American Master' or whatever. Perhaps it's a consequence of an oversaturated market, and tbh I do sympathise, I've long felt there should be some kind of stream-rating database with various categories/tag so we could peruse streams in a different manner.
Males aren't privileged in everything in society, the dominant/subordinate model is far too simplistic for an issue that is much more complex. I think the same of the spectre of racism as well, I'd elaborate but it's rather going off-topic.
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On July 31 2013 03:02 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 23:13 Thieving Magpie wrote:On July 30 2013 23:00 Plansix wrote:On July 30 2013 22:50 Thieving Magpie wrote:On July 30 2013 22:44 Plansix wrote:On July 30 2013 22:36 Thieving Magpie wrote:On July 30 2013 22:25 Plansix wrote:On July 30 2013 22:22 Nekovivie wrote:On July 30 2013 18:29 AxUU wrote:Yeah but man, even though I know and realize that there are women out there just to play the damn game, I've seen female streamers who stream their face in a big picture and have the game in a little picture in the bottom left corner of the stream. That's something I'd definitely call whoring for attention. So they have their face on their stream? I think you'll find most streamers do this, and these ones being female has nothing to do with it. You make it sound like girls shouldn't show their webcams in public, like some ridiculous middle east tradition where they don't let women do anything. You missed this part of his post. The point is that the girl and her face is the center of attention, not the game. He is not saying that they can't show their face. We don't get to decide how much a person wants to express themselves. Tasteless doesn't even have to talk about SC2 for people to enjoy his casting as its become 90% "talk to me artosis" or "ask me a question" or "did you know (insert wiki fact)" Some guys make jokes, other guys just want to socialize while playing video games. Them having different interests than you does not make what they do "wrong" in some way. People watch the stream, so I don't get to decide anything. However, I can look at it and go "I'm not interested in that for the following reasons..." and move on from there. People have their own tastes and can watch whatever they want. I mean, Baywatch was the most popular show in the world for a very long time. SC2 is not going to be immune to the same things that made that show popular. I agree with your opinion on it, and I think the same when I see streams like it. It reminds me of bad tv shows like jersey shore. I just simply hate going that dark road of taking the high ground when a woman shows off her body. I also hate when players like Destiny curse for 8 hours on streams to please pre-teens who feel bad ass and I hate players like dragon who do ridiculous stuff on screen just to get noticed. It's okay to dislike the ways of others, so long as we stop ourselves from feeling superior to others. It's a very fine line. That is sort of the point. We don’t look at Ellen Page and claim she is the same as the actresses from Baywatch(not to say that those actresses don’t work hard, everyone has got to make a living). I think the community needs to work harder to tell the difference between the real-SC2 girls and the girls who are taking the Baywatch route when it comes to streaming. But painting them all with one brush and claiming its all the same isn’t a valid argument or discussion point. Yes, I agree with you. The community is perfectly able to make fun of incontrol's weight and Destiny's manners and keep the insults as Destiny's insults and incontrol's insults. I never hear people say "destiny calling people nigger/faggot means that all men in SC2 calls people nigger faggot" but when a girl shows her chest on her stream suddenly it's "women just show their chest on their stream." The community's problem is that we are able to isolate male problems as the problems of individuals, but we treat a woman's problems as a shared problem. Some people see one girl not being serious about the game and conclude that girls as a demographic are not serious about the game. The problem with the community is that when someone asks "where are the female casters" we then get a massive thread where people keep saying that girls suck at the game as if Husk, Wheat, or Artosis are Korean GM players. Don't worry, we are in agreement. That's funny, because pretty sure Artosis could easily be one of the better players in NA if he wasn't caught up with his casting gig. Or are we going to start with Day9 is bad now too? You know what's wrong with a woman showing her chest on her screen. It's when she does it repeatedly in order to garner views. And don't say that someone like Mia Rose doesn't do that, because she certainly does. As does to a slightly lesser extent Tara Babcock (she's not as bad; she only uses some sex appeal as a hook, but certainly does produce some level of content unlike Mia Rose), and various other female personalities out there. Honestly, when you have shit like this going on, you can't tell me that some of the criticisms against females isn't justified. Until females stop using sex appeal to hook in viewers, the criticisms against them isn't going to stop. Fact of the matter is, it's not like we just made this shit up. It does happen, and more often than not, it happens way too much and gives good female players/personalities/casters a bad name. Edit : Removed YouTube video, probably a little borderline too close to 'porn.' If you want to see what I'm talking about it's Strip Halo with Mia Rose and Ava Rose. Not to mention, females not being in competitive environments has nothing to do with sexist practices/community issues/etc. It's because females simply don't like competitive environments. And no I did not make that up, so don't be a white knighting nerd that calls me a chauvinistic pig or some bullshit like that. Whether or not this is due to societal pressures or not, that's up to you to decide. However, don't pretend that the SC2 community is driving females away; it's not. http://www.stanford.edu/~niederle/NV.AnnualReview.Print.pdfhttp://www.stanford.edu/~niederle/Gender.BNO.pdfhttp://www.stanford.edu/~niederle/Women.Competition.pdf
i agree with all of this except artosis can never be a good pro. i wont go further.
anyone who says sc2 community is sexist is actually saying the internet is sexist. the internet actually is NOT SEXIST. the internet is free speaking men and women saying and doing whatever they want. how many females are making porn style webcam stip shows? is it any wonder men who are naturally more driven for sex say things like "tits or gtfo" on the INTERNET!?!?
women who are scared to talk on a topic on the internet are scared because they are afraid of confrontation, not because the big bad mean ol men are pushing them away!
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@gr33n
Wait--so you agree that when women try to talk about their interests on the Internet, they get immediately confronted and run away. Which, by definition, is exactly what feminists say that women are chased off in nerd/online culture causing a disparity in gender populations.
I'm glad you agree with us.
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On July 31 2013 09:51 Thieving Magpie wrote:
@gr33n
Wait--so you agree that when women try to talk about their interests on the Internet, they get immediately confronted and run away. Which, by definition, is exactly what feminists say that women are chased off in nerd/online culture causing a disparity in gender populations.
I'm glad you agree with us.
what... read what i wrote. i said there are the same number of women abusing men on the internet with webcam shows and sexuality (women have more obvious sexuality then men) as there are men abusing women with classic lines like "get me a sandwich, tits or gtfo"
there is literally no dif between these 2 genders and no alienating sexist agenda of men with video games. women are newcomers to the game, and with ALL NEWCOMERS TO ALL THINGS they are not going to be accepted right away and viewed as pretenders/posers or whatever. this isnt because they are women, its because they are new to the scene and people are very protective of it.
are women naturally prone to avoid confrontation? im not an expert but it seems that the internet is a great place for a female to speak her mind against the supposed male ostracism and convince them they are wrong
my guess? any women who feels "left out" is bad at the game she is playing, putting herself out there without being any good, and then complaining about how "men" treat her bad.
i got news for you, anyone who sucks and trys to get attention gets flamed and shit on no matter WHAT gender he/she is. this is gaming, we respect knowledge, skill. passion not sex organ, style, and physical appeal this isnt the E network.
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On July 31 2013 10:08 Gr33n wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 09:51 Thieving Magpie wrote:
@gr33n
Wait--so you agree that when women try to talk about their interests on the Internet, they get immediately confronted and run away. Which, by definition, is exactly what feminists say that women are chased off in nerd/online culture causing a disparity in gender populations.
I'm glad you agree with us. what... read what i wrote. i said there are the same number of women abusing men on the internet with webcam shows and sexuality (women have more obvious sexuality then men) as there are men abusing women with classic lines like "get me a sandwich, tits or gtfo" there is literally no dif between these 2 genders and no alienating sexist agenda of men with video games. women are newcomers to the game, and with ALL NEWCOMERS TO ALL THINGS they are not going to be accepted right away and viewed as pretenders/posers or whatever. this isnt because they are women, its because they are new to the scene and people are very protective of it. are women naturally prone to avoid confrontation? im not an expert but it seems that the internet is a great place for a female to speak her mind against the supposed male ostracism and convince them they are wrong my guess? any women who feels "left out" is bad at the game she is playing, putting herself out there without being any good, and then complaining about how "men" treat her bad. i got news for you, anyone who sucks and trys to get attention gets flamed and shit on no matter WHAT gender he/she is. this is gaming, we respect knowledge, skill. passion not sex organ, style, and physical appeal this isnt the E network.
Interesting definition of abusing men you got there
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On July 31 2013 10:17 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 10:08 Gr33n wrote:On July 31 2013 09:51 Thieving Magpie wrote:
@gr33n
Wait--so you agree that when women try to talk about their interests on the Internet, they get immediately confronted and run away. Which, by definition, is exactly what feminists say that women are chased off in nerd/online culture causing a disparity in gender populations.
I'm glad you agree with us. what... read what i wrote. i said there are the same number of women abusing men on the internet with webcam shows and sexuality (women have more obvious sexuality then men) as there are men abusing women with classic lines like "get me a sandwich, tits or gtfo" there is literally no dif between these 2 genders and no alienating sexist agenda of men with video games. women are newcomers to the game, and with ALL NEWCOMERS TO ALL THINGS they are not going to be accepted right away and viewed as pretenders/posers or whatever. this isnt because they are women, its because they are new to the scene and people are very protective of it. are women naturally prone to avoid confrontation? im not an expert but it seems that the internet is a great place for a female to speak her mind against the supposed male ostracism and convince them they are wrong my guess? any women who feels "left out" is bad at the game she is playing, putting herself out there without being any good, and then complaining about how "men" treat her bad. i got news for you, anyone who sucks and trys to get attention gets flamed and shit on no matter WHAT gender he/she is. this is gaming, we respect knowledge, skill. passion not sex organ, style, and physical appeal this isnt the E network. Interesting definition of abusing men you got there
i think some men are weak and women have better control over her sexuality.
there are women who have men wrapped around there finger and thats not abuse lol? men are driven by one thing, women are driven by another. anyone using those drives to bend the other sex to his/her will is abuse. im not sure why women cant be abusive but men can?
no one is treating women badly in sc2 they are treating OUTSIDERS who try to make a name for themselves but are bad, badly
does anyone intelligent shit talk you? no your an amazing player. when i was coming back to sc2 (took a 2 year break) i thought to myself who has the most solid macro style, while you have never won GSL i instantly thought of your play and tried to find a replay pack. i respect your play and i dont give a shit what gender you or anyone else is.
NO ONE CARES IF A GAMER IS A GIRL OR A GUY. thats what im saying. this sexism thing is a falsehood made up by girls who decided to hang out with guys and someone metaphorically slapped her ass and she freaked. has any girl here hung out with groups of guys? guess what guys talk about? tits, ass, sex this is a GUY THING. the same way girls talk about im not sure clothes and hot guys? its prob very similar but i wouldnt presume to go hang out with 10 women and be like LADIES PLEASE, STOP TALKING ABOUT MY PENIS! ITS OFFENSIVE TO PENISI EVERYWHERE! (penisi is the plural of penis look it up in a science book)
ill also add that where there is no sexism among intelligent human beings there are a slew of exceptions to the rule running around spewing hate regardless. if you get mad because some stupid ogre mongoloid posting something sexist, you have thin skin. your avg human being doesnt care about men or women. its generally a case about vocal minority
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 I probably could've made a new thread but I don't the skills to translate this article(and thus have an insufficient OP) and felt this would be the best place to post it.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/FTUbth1.jpg)
http://www.thisisgame.com/esports/news/nboard/162/?n=45632
The main gist of it is that Korea's doing a WSL(Woman's Star League) starting August 9th, and it'll be airing games on Afreeca every Saturday and Sunday.
I highly doubt there's going to be any coverage of it outside of Afreeca unless someone puts for the effort to restream it or finds a way to get into obsing it.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 31 2013 10:27 Gr33n wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 10:17 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On July 31 2013 10:08 Gr33n wrote:On July 31 2013 09:51 Thieving Magpie wrote:
@gr33n
Wait--so you agree that when women try to talk about their interests on the Internet, they get immediately confronted and run away. Which, by definition, is exactly what feminists say that women are chased off in nerd/online culture causing a disparity in gender populations.
I'm glad you agree with us. what... read what i wrote. i said there are the same number of women abusing men on the internet with webcam shows and sexuality (women have more obvious sexuality then men) as there are men abusing women with classic lines like "get me a sandwich, tits or gtfo" there is literally no dif between these 2 genders and no alienating sexist agenda of men with video games. women are newcomers to the game, and with ALL NEWCOMERS TO ALL THINGS they are not going to be accepted right away and viewed as pretenders/posers or whatever. this isnt because they are women, its because they are new to the scene and people are very protective of it. are women naturally prone to avoid confrontation? im not an expert but it seems that the internet is a great place for a female to speak her mind against the supposed male ostracism and convince them they are wrong my guess? any women who feels "left out" is bad at the game she is playing, putting herself out there without being any good, and then complaining about how "men" treat her bad. i got news for you, anyone who sucks and trys to get attention gets flamed and shit on no matter WHAT gender he/she is. this is gaming, we respect knowledge, skill. passion not sex organ, style, and physical appeal this isnt the E network. Interesting definition of abusing men you got there there are women who have men wrapped around there finger and thats not abuse lol? men are driven by one thing, women are driven by another. anyone using those drives to bend the other sex to his/her will is abuse. im not sure why women cant be abusive but men can?
... what? Seriously I just want you to explain this. I don't understand how this is 'abuse' though I understand you are just saying it is a negative thing. Choosing your words correctly is important.
ill also add that where there is no sexism among intelligent human beings there are a slew of exceptions to the rule running around spewing hate regardless. if you get mad because some stupid ogre mongoloid posting something sexist, you have thin skin. your avg human being doesnt care about men or women. its generally a case about vocal minority
You need to understand what your words mean. Using 'mongoloid' this way... it doesn't really make you sound very informed.
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Northern Ireland23825 Posts
You chose a good time to return from your self-imposed exile from this thread Lichter :p
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On July 31 2013 11:48 Wombat_NI wrote:
You chose a good time to return from your self-imposed exile from this thread Lichter :p
I won't debate the whole female caster thing because I have nothing to add about it and all the semantic arguments about sexism and feminism and reverse sexism and all that is a giant smelly cul de sac.
But when someone starts using words they don't understand in foul ways, ugh
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On July 31 2013 11:45 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 10:27 Gr33n wrote:On July 31 2013 10:17 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On July 31 2013 10:08 Gr33n wrote:On July 31 2013 09:51 Thieving Magpie wrote:
@gr33n
Wait--so you agree that when women try to talk about their interests on the Internet, they get immediately confronted and run away. Which, by definition, is exactly what feminists say that women are chased off in nerd/online culture causing a disparity in gender populations.
I'm glad you agree with us. what... read what i wrote. i said there are the same number of women abusing men on the internet with webcam shows and sexuality (women have more obvious sexuality then men) as there are men abusing women with classic lines like "get me a sandwich, tits or gtfo" there is literally no dif between these 2 genders and no alienating sexist agenda of men with video games. women are newcomers to the game, and with ALL NEWCOMERS TO ALL THINGS they are not going to be accepted right away and viewed as pretenders/posers or whatever. this isnt because they are women, its because they are new to the scene and people are very protective of it. are women naturally prone to avoid confrontation? im not an expert but it seems that the internet is a great place for a female to speak her mind against the supposed male ostracism and convince them they are wrong my guess? any women who feels "left out" is bad at the game she is playing, putting herself out there without being any good, and then complaining about how "men" treat her bad. i got news for you, anyone who sucks and trys to get attention gets flamed and shit on no matter WHAT gender he/she is. this is gaming, we respect knowledge, skill. passion not sex organ, style, and physical appeal this isnt the E network. Interesting definition of abusing men you got there there are women who have men wrapped around there finger and thats not abuse lol? men are driven by one thing, women are driven by another. anyone using those drives to bend the other sex to his/her will is abuse. im not sure why women cant be abusive but men can? ... what? Seriously I just want you to explain this. I don't understand how this is 'abuse' though I understand you are just saying it is a negative thing. Choosing your words correctly is important. Show nested quote +ill also add that where there is no sexism among intelligent human beings there are a slew of exceptions to the rule running around spewing hate regardless. if you get mad because some stupid ogre mongoloid posting something sexist, you have thin skin. your avg human being doesnt care about men or women. its generally a case about vocal minority You need to understand what your words mean. Using 'mongoloid' this way... it doesn't really make you sound very informed. Lets be clear, none of his posts are well informed. He mostly complains about women that bring up sexism and then claims its only a problem if women whine about it. It's a theme for a lot of posters in this thread.
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