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Waxangel

United States33091 Posts

July 31 2013 03:55 GMT

#581

so does this need closing yet or what

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

July 31 2013 03:56 GMT

#582

On July 31 2013 12:53 lichter wrote:

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Fool, it's because her awesomeness is endless.

Fact, cannot be opposed on any reasonable level.

WombaT

Northern Ireland23825 Posts

July 31 2013 03:56 GMT

#583

On July 31 2013 12:55 Waxangel wrote:
so does this need closing yet or what

Quite possibly. I'd quite like to hear from ninazerg and ZombieGrub again tbh, but I don't blame them if they don't wish to.

Fission

Canada1184 Posts

July 31 2013 03:58 GMT

#584

On July 31 2013 12:55 Waxangel wrote:
so does this need closing yet or what

I think it's time.

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

July 31 2013 03:59 GMT

#585

On July 31 2013 12:56 Wombat_NI wrote:

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Quite possibly. I'd quite like to hear from ninazerg and ZombieGrub again tbh, but I don't blame them if they don't wish to.

It would be nice if the ladies could actually discuss something. But this likely isn't the venue.

lichter

1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts

July 31 2013 03:59 GMT

#586

On July 31 2013 12:55 Waxangel wrote:
so does this need closing yet or what

Let the topic rest for another few months. Might as well save the thread and just paste the whole thing when it comes up again.

Gr33n

Bahamas113 Posts

July 31 2013 04:00 GMT

#587

On July 31 2013 12:45 Plansix wrote:

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On July 31 2013 12:38 Gr33n wrote:

On July 31 2013 12:31 lichter wrote:

On July 31 2013 12:26 Gr33n wrote:

On July 31 2013 12:22 lichter wrote:

On July 31 2013 12:08 Gr33n wrote:

On July 31 2013 11:45 lichter wrote:

On July 31 2013 10:27 Gr33n wrote:

On July 31 2013 10:17 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:

On July 31 2013 10:08 Gr33n wrote:
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what... read what i wrote. i said there are the same number of women abusing men on the internet with webcam shows and sexuality (women have more obvious sexuality then men) as there are men abusing women with classic lines like "get me a sandwich, tits or gtfo"

there is literally no dif between these 2 genders and no alienating sexist agenda of men with video games. women are newcomers to the game, and with ALL NEWCOMERS TO ALL THINGS they are not going to be accepted right away and viewed as pretenders/posers or whatever. this isnt because they are women, its because they are new to the scene and people are very protective of it.

are women naturally prone to avoid confrontation? im not an expert but it seems that the internet is a great place for a female to speak her mind against the supposed male ostracism and convince them they are wrong

my guess? any women who feels "left out" is bad at the game she is playing, putting herself out there without being any good, and then complaining about how "men" treat her bad.

i got news for you, anyone who sucks and trys to get attention gets flamed and shit on no matter WHAT gender he/she is. this is gaming, we respect knowledge, skill. passion not sex organ, style, and physical appeal this isnt the E network.

Interesting definition of abusing men you got there

there are women who have men wrapped around there finger and thats not abuse lol? men are driven by one thing, women are driven by another. anyone using those drives to bend the other sex to his/her will is abuse. im not sure why women cant be abusive but men can?

... what? Seriously I just want you to explain this. I don't understand how this is 'abuse' though I understand you are just saying it is a negative thing. Choosing your words correctly is important.

ill also add that where there is no sexism among intelligent human beings there are a slew of exceptions to the rule running around spewing hate regardless. if you get mad because some stupid ogre mongoloid posting something sexist, you have thin skin. your avg human being doesnt care about men or women. its generally a case about vocal minority

You need to understand what your words mean. Using 'mongoloid' this way... it doesn't really make you sound very informed.

oh ok so semantics are what you value lol. "taking advantage" "negative connotation"

i make a few points about "stupid people" and use the word mongoloid which on the internet means "stupid blunt generally unintelligent" and you wana give me the textbook def which then what, makes the things i say less true/valuable? please, it doesnt make me seem uninformed it makes you ignoring the big picture and nit picking rather then addressing what i said.

So just because the word means "stupid blunt generally unintelligent" on the internet, it somehow makes it ok to use a word that is supposed to refer to populations that share the same traits (a majority of the Earth's population) as an insult and potentially a racist pejorative? Yes that does make what you say seem less sincere and less valuable because it reveals your character.

your entire post is about NOTHING other then you disapprove of my word choice lol

I've already stated my opinion earlier in this thread and in past threads. I see no need to repeat myself for your sake. I have also stated that I will not get any more involved in the debate regarding female casters and sexism and what have you, because it is obvious that the debate is a dead end on these fora. But when people start using words they don't understand and throw around insults, I must speak.

my point was just that the same way guys "abuse girls on the internet" is the same way girls USE or TAKE ADVANTAGE of guys on the internet or in real life. there is a clear parallel that can be drawn between the two. when a girl streams with massive cleavage and a webcam she ruins the respect for the other serious gamer girls and at the same time is taking advantage of guys who are sexually driven. its EXACTLY the same in the grand scheme of things.

Men that want that sexual stimulation receive a benefit from what promiscuous girls do. Yes they get manipulated and controlled, but it is not similar to throwing insults at someone. How you make that logical leap is beyond me. There is no parallel, though perhaps a small tangent.

Throwing insults (at the least) provides no benefit for the receiver. The receiver does not want it, tries to avoid it, but the abuser cares not for the receiver's preferences.

Promiscuous girls on stream provide a service (however wrong, however frowned upon), and men actively seek it.

so what you are saying is basically this

- a bad guy gamer will NEVER be insulted
- a bad girl gamer will always be insulted

is this correct? i disagree lol. go find me a plat sc2 player who does cosplay and is male, and watch the hate that ensues lol

How you draw these conclusions from my post is beyond me.

A summary of my post:
1. The term 'mongoloid' should not be used as an insult. It's not supposed to be an insult but has become a popular racist pejorative.
2. Use your words wisely because inadvertently opting to use racist insults makes you look bad, and your argument worse.
3. Insulting a reluctant woman and Seducing a receptive man are not equally "abuse".

I did not mention anything about it being alright for men to be insulted. I did not mention anything about women being insulted as a standard that always happens.

I don't care if someone is bad at a game. They can stream it if they want to. Constructive criticism can be provided.

Insults, no matter the time, the place, or the circumstances, are unnecessary.

ok fine but your problem is not with sc2 but the internet. people insult EVERYONE for EVERY REASON on the internet. its not because they are a girl or a guy, they are insulting people on the internet because they think its fun or they wana try and be witty. no one is honestly insulting WOMEN they are insulting PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET. you cant find me one GOOD GIRL GAMER stream where groups of people are insulting them. it doesnt exist.

- i will repeat this. there are no talented girl gamers who are being attacked anywhere on the internet anything CLOSE to what is being described in this thread

and im sorry to those people formulating thoughts with the intent to express higher levels of intelligence by adding unnecessary large words and such but my overall posts are easy to understand. the content matters not the packaging which is ironic on a thread about girls casting video games and being shunned from the community because of "her packaging"

there is no sexism in gaming there are sexist COMMENTS on the internet and you cant refute this its a fact

WTF? Her packaging? Really? You feel bad for people who use words you think are to big and unnecessary? And why do we need to find a girl gamer that fits your standard of good? I thought it was ok for anyone to stream, regardless of skill?

ok lets talk about a scenario.

I am a pro gamer. im at the top of my game, top 200 at any game

a girl who is in the bottom or middle percentage streams and gets 4k viewers every time because she has some sort of "sexy" thing going on with webcam.

im not saying she cant stream or what she is doing is wrong, she is providing something people want or they wouldnt tune in but i am not going to respect this player as a "gamer" worthy of this popularity? she is popular for non game related content and people are going to hate on her just like they hated on maximusblack

this player now gets recruited to a pro gaming house, because she is a girl who has viewers. she is not recruited to "win tournys" and there are no expectations of her winning anything. she is going to get hate JUST LIKE MAXIMUSBLACK

do you see what im saying? the girl is going to get flamed JUST AS MUCH as the guy in the SAME scenario. girls who are bad at sc2 get flamed just as much as guys its just more often the case because they "add a webcam".

girl gamers on twitch always have a webcam. why? why do they need a WEBCAM to play a VIDEO GAME. because it gets them more viewers and they know it. it has absolutely no intrinsic value yet they do it. they will love the boons it grants them aka viewers but complain about the hate they get (being bad and streaming webcam)

any way you slice it you are not getting treated differently because you are a women, you are being treated if ANYTHING completely the same as men but you are the ones who are making it hard on yourself by adding "gimics" for viewercount

it needed closing the second it went up lol

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

July 31 2013 04:06 GMT

#588

Lol, adding gimmicks for viewers. This guy is a winner. And on that low note, shut it down, the Internet has spoken.

WombaT

Northern Ireland23825 Posts

July 31 2013 04:11 GMT

#589

Lost my shit at the webcam bit.

Of streamers currently on the featured bar. Jaedong, puck, forGG, Protech and AlaStOr, 4/5 have cams.

Gr33n

Bahamas113 Posts

July 31 2013 04:23 GMT

#590

protech isnt very good but his gimic is 2v2 right? the rest are good players and deserve it?

do u want me to just link streams that are unworthy of the viewers?

im not being sexist lol im being a realist. webcam without skill as a girl is a gimic with 99 percent of girl gamers. webcam with pros is also a gimic but you are a PRO this is your LIVING and you DESERVE IT

WombaT

Northern Ireland23825 Posts

July 31 2013 04:25 GMT

#591

But, most of them AREN'T EVEN FUCKING PRO GAMERS.

There is no expression from these 'unworthy' ones, or expectation among their viewership that they are to reach a pro level, or hell even a decent casual level.

Holy mother of fuck.

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

July 31 2013 04:27 GMT

#592

On July 31 2013 13:23 Gr33n wrote:
protech isnt very good but his gimic is 2v2 right? the rest are good players and deserve it?

do u want me to just link streams that are unworthy of the viewers?

im not being sexist lol im being a realist. webcam without skill as a girl is a gimic with 99 percent of girl gamers. webcam with pros is also a gimic but you are a PRO this is your LIVING and you DESERVE IT

No, let's not kid our selves here, your totally sexist. Unworthy of viewers, what a joke. 99 percent without skill, are you kidding? Just keep claiming its fact, I'm sure in your world it is.

lichter

1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts

July 31 2013 04:28 GMT

#593

If I start streaming SC2 with a webcam at my crotch does that make me a bad person

WombaT

Northern Ireland23825 Posts

July 31 2013 04:28 GMT

#594

On July 31 2013 13:28 lichter wrote:
If I start streaming SC2 with a webcam at my crotch does that make me a bad person

Does it make me a bad person to desire, nay, DEMAND such a product?

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

July 31 2013 04:35 GMT

#595

On July 31 2013 13:28 Wombat_NI wrote:

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Does it make me a bad person to desire, nay, DEMAND such a product?

But will it be worthy of the viewers it gets? Only time will tell.

Gr33n

Bahamas113 Posts

July 31 2013 04:37 GMT

#596

http://www.twitch.tv/gemieee/c/2634288 gets 3k viewers EVERY TIME isnt very good
omegab a challenger player streams and gets no one watching

dont tell me webcams with attractive women are not showcaseing "non gaming" and in some cases "the wrong message"

- the only time women get flak (is it flack idn) for playing video games is if they keep talking about how they are women or go out of there way to show that they are a women and guys resent that. im upset with the fact that a GREAT player is not getting 5k viewers when a girl who is not very talented gets more attention

no one is condemning women for being bad they condemn them for being bad but taking spots away from GOOD casters because they are a women. they condemn them for taking advantage of the fact that there are less women in sc2 and taking a free ride to the top

there are women who everyone respects. is anyone here bashing flo? im fairly sure flo is a great player and hasnt been "bashed for being a girl"

there are no girl casters because there are no good girl casters thats it

WombaT

Northern Ireland23825 Posts

July 31 2013 04:39 GMT

#597

On July 31 2013 13:35 Plansix wrote:

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But will it be worthy of the viewers it gets? Only time will tell.

Would it fall within the terms of Twitch's user agreement? So many questions....

lichter

1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts

July 31 2013 04:42 GMT

#598

On July 31 2013 13:37 Gr33n wrote:
http://www.twitch.tv/gemieee/c/2634288 gets 3k viewers EVERY TIME isnt very good

HOLY SHIT HER NEKOMIMI MOVE

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

July 31 2013 04:43 GMT

#599

On July 31 2013 13:37 Gr33n wrote:
http://www.twitch.tv/gemieee/c/2634288 gets 3k viewers EVERY TIME isnt very good
omegab a challenger player streams and gets no one watching

dont tell me webcams with attractive women are not showcaseing "non gaming" and in some cases "the wrong message"

- the only time women get flak (is it flack idn) for playing video games is if they keep talking about how they are women or go out of there way to show that they are a women and guys resent that. im upset with the fact that a GREAT player is not getting 5k viewers when a girl who is not very talented gets more attention

no one is condemning women for being bad they condemn them for being bad but taking spots away from GOOD casters because they are a women. they condemn them for taking advantage of the fact that there are less women in sc2 and taking a free ride to the top

there are women who everyone respects. is anyone here bashing flo? im fairly sure flo is a great player and hasnt been "bashed for being a girl"

there are no girl casters because there are no good girl casters thats it

Lol stealing viewer from good players. Your so funny, as if raw skill was the only reason we watched streams. Next you will be telling us that women are more likey to get hired because their boss want to look at their boobs.