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On August 01 2013 01:02 Gr33n wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 00:52 Thieving Magpie wrote:On August 01 2013 00:47 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 00:43 Plansix wrote:
Don't argue with him, he is doing the classic "shift the burden of proof" argument that is so popular on the internet. He poses a wild theory that is only true on the broadest terms and then demands you prove him wrong. Then he can just dismiss your claims over and over while never having to make any real arguments himself. He can even post “evidence” that doesn’t even support his claim, because his argument is so broad and overreaching, it can’t really be argued against. He fully admits that women are treated poorly and judged due to their gender, but claims that isn’t a problem because other people are treated poorly for other reasons. How do you argue against that? how is talking about maximus black or kayln broad in any way lol. im talking about super specific scenarios. the opposite is true where in fact YOU are not posting any specific evidence to prove YOUR point http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405217go watch the vod about this very topic where destiny can be quoted saying "one person said they wanted to rape my child" your telling me that some dudes said "tits or gtfo" and a girl went crying and shouting SEXISM SEXISM but destiny can get emails about rape fantasy over his child and thats "just the internet hating again" but has nothing to do with his gender? btw am i being "too broad" or are these specific and cited examples working Correct me if I'm wrong, but people don't rape children because they have fathers. People do attack douche-bags by insulting, such as saying that they'll rape their children. How is that the same as girls getting attacked *because* they're girls? On a second note, why can't both be wrong on their own merits? Threatening rape is bad, objectively, and we should stop people from doing it. Harassing women is bad, objectively, and we should stop people from doing it. The fact that other people in the internet do it doesn't stop it from being bad, objectively. and i agree that both of those things are bad but those two things share one thing in common, they both are happening because this person is putting themselves on the INTERNET AS A HUMAN BEING. all human beings on the internet regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation and level of completion on HOTS campaign are going to be attacked and hated on. stop pretending people say "tits or gtfo" because they are sexist, they say it because its a joke thats easily got. if you wana insult a fat person make a fat joke, if you wana insult a gay person make a gay joke, if you wana insult a girl make a joke about her being a girl can you stop pretending this is about sex its not
saying "tits or gtfo" is sexist if you can't understand that ill explain it to you separately.
doing something for any reason that is sexist is still sexist.
EDIT: and doing sexist stuff is bad
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On August 01 2013 01:02 Gr33n wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 00:52 Thieving Magpie wrote:On August 01 2013 00:47 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 00:43 Plansix wrote:
Don't argue with him, he is doing the classic "shift the burden of proof" argument that is so popular on the internet. He poses a wild theory that is only true on the broadest terms and then demands you prove him wrong. Then he can just dismiss your claims over and over while never having to make any real arguments himself. He can even post “evidence” that doesn’t even support his claim, because his argument is so broad and overreaching, it can’t really be argued against. He fully admits that women are treated poorly and judged due to their gender, but claims that isn’t a problem because other people are treated poorly for other reasons. How do you argue against that? how is talking about maximus black or kayln broad in any way lol. im talking about super specific scenarios. the opposite is true where in fact YOU are not posting any specific evidence to prove YOUR point http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405217go watch the vod about this very topic where destiny can be quoted saying "one person said they wanted to rape my child" your telling me that some dudes said "tits or gtfo" and a girl went crying and shouting SEXISM SEXISM but destiny can get emails about rape fantasy over his child and thats "just the internet hating again" but has nothing to do with his gender? btw am i being "too broad" or are these specific and cited examples working Correct me if I'm wrong, but people don't rape children because they have fathers. People do attack douche-bags by insulting, such as saying that they'll rape their children. How is that the same as girls getting attacked *because* they're girls? On a second note, why can't both be wrong on their own merits? Threatening rape is bad, objectively, and we should stop people from doing it. Harassing women is bad, objectively, and we should stop people from doing it. The fact that other people in the internet do it doesn't stop it from being bad, objectively. and i agree that both of those things are bad but those two things share one thing in common, they both are happening because this person is putting themselves on the INTERNET AS A HUMAN BEING. all human beings on the internet regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation and level of completion on HOTS campaign are going to be attacked and hated on. stop pretending people say "tits or gtfo" because they are sexist, they say it because its a joke thats easily got. if you wana insult a fat person make a fat joke, if you wana insult a gay person make a gay joke, if you wana insult a girl make a joke about her being a girl can you stop pretending this is about sex its not
When you sexually harass a girl, its sexism.
When you verbally attack a gay person, its homophobia.
When you make fun of someone's race, its racism.
etc...
The existence of one doesn't make the others okay.
It's not okay to threaten rape because fat people are also attacked. And its not okay to attack fat people, just because others are being threatened with rape.
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On August 01 2013 01:03 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 00:47 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 00:43 Plansix wrote:
Don't argue with him, he is doing the classic "shift the burden of proof" argument that is so popular on the internet. He poses a wild theory that is only true on the broadest terms and then demands you prove him wrong. Then he can just dismiss your claims over and over while never having to make any real arguments himself. He can even post “evidence” that doesn’t even support his claim, because his argument is so broad and overreaching, it can’t really be argued against. He fully admits that women are treated poorly and judged due to their gender, but claims that isn’t a problem because other people are treated poorly for other reasons. How do you argue against that? in order for there to be sexism in gaming i believe that one gender must gain significant advantages by being male/female and that gender must also experience less obstacles put in his/her way on the way to playing said game. I dont see this anywhere in gaming. anywhere.... in.... gaming.... yo there is a definition for sexism, you can't make a new one just cause you feel like it. and stop editing shit into your posts lol
i edit so im not spamming and im not redefining sexism im defining it
Q - are there advantages in sc2 that women or men get?
A - no
Q - are women being told STOP PLAYING YOU ARE A GIRL by any significant amount of people in sc2?
A - no, but sometimes people make mean comments about them
Q - are men being told STOP PLAYING YOU ARE A DUDE by any significan amount of ppl in sc2?
A - no, but sometimes ppl make mean comments about them
the dif is that there are 10s of thousands more men playing games that catch shit talk and substantially less women so when women complain it feels like its a bigger deal then it really is and feel "targeted"
picture this....
100 men play sc2
10 women play sc2
5 assholes run around hating on everyone
5 assholes hate on 5/100 male sc2 players, not a big deal 95 percent of the men dont experience this "hate" so its hard to understand what these 5 men are complaining about
5 assholes then also hate on 5/10 female sc2 players. HOOOOOLY CRAP, CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT 50 PERCENT OF FEMALE GAMERS ARE BEING ATTACKED BY THESE SEXIST PIGS
no whats happening is a small population representation is being attacked just as much as the men but because there are far less, it feels like a much larger attack then it really is
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On August 01 2013 01:06 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 01:02 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 00:52 Thieving Magpie wrote:On August 01 2013 00:47 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 00:43 Plansix wrote:
Don't argue with him, he is doing the classic "shift the burden of proof" argument that is so popular on the internet. He poses a wild theory that is only true on the broadest terms and then demands you prove him wrong. Then he can just dismiss your claims over and over while never having to make any real arguments himself. He can even post “evidence” that doesn’t even support his claim, because his argument is so broad and overreaching, it can’t really be argued against. He fully admits that women are treated poorly and judged due to their gender, but claims that isn’t a problem because other people are treated poorly for other reasons. How do you argue against that? how is talking about maximus black or kayln broad in any way lol. im talking about super specific scenarios. the opposite is true where in fact YOU are not posting any specific evidence to prove YOUR point http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405217go watch the vod about this very topic where destiny can be quoted saying "one person said they wanted to rape my child" your telling me that some dudes said "tits or gtfo" and a girl went crying and shouting SEXISM SEXISM but destiny can get emails about rape fantasy over his child and thats "just the internet hating again" but has nothing to do with his gender? btw am i being "too broad" or are these specific and cited examples working Correct me if I'm wrong, but people don't rape children because they have fathers. People do attack douche-bags by insulting, such as saying that they'll rape their children. How is that the same as girls getting attacked *because* they're girls? On a second note, why can't both be wrong on their own merits? Threatening rape is bad, objectively, and we should stop people from doing it. Harassing women is bad, objectively, and we should stop people from doing it. The fact that other people in the internet do it doesn't stop it from being bad, objectively. and i agree that both of those things are bad but those two things share one thing in common, they both are happening because this person is putting themselves on the INTERNET AS A HUMAN BEING. all human beings on the internet regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation and level of completion on HOTS campaign are going to be attacked and hated on. stop pretending people say "tits or gtfo" because they are sexist, they say it because its a joke thats easily got. if you wana insult a fat person make a fat joke, if you wana insult a gay person make a gay joke, if you wana insult a girl make a joke about her being a girl can you stop pretending this is about sex its not When you sexually harass a girl, its sexism. When you verbally attack a gay person, its homophobia. When you make fun of someone's race, its racism. etc... The existence of one doesn't make the others okay. It's not okay to threaten rape because fat people are also attacked. And its not okay to attack fat people, just because others are being threatened with rape.
im NOT SAYING ITS OK BECAUSE IT EXISTS. IM SAYING IT DOESNT HAPPEN BECAUSE SHE IS A GIRL, IT HAPPENS BECAUSE PEOPLE HATE OTHERS FOR NO GOOD REASON
do caps work for you? how on earth can u read the posts i make and say "well they are all wrong things to do" of course they are all wrong im not saying that at all rofl read what i write kid
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On August 01 2013 01:11 Gr33n wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 01:06 Thieving Magpie wrote:On August 01 2013 01:02 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 00:52 Thieving Magpie wrote:On August 01 2013 00:47 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 00:43 Plansix wrote:
Don't argue with him, he is doing the classic "shift the burden of proof" argument that is so popular on the internet. He poses a wild theory that is only true on the broadest terms and then demands you prove him wrong. Then he can just dismiss your claims over and over while never having to make any real arguments himself. He can even post “evidence” that doesn’t even support his claim, because his argument is so broad and overreaching, it can’t really be argued against. He fully admits that women are treated poorly and judged due to their gender, but claims that isn’t a problem because other people are treated poorly for other reasons. How do you argue against that? how is talking about maximus black or kayln broad in any way lol. im talking about super specific scenarios. the opposite is true where in fact YOU are not posting any specific evidence to prove YOUR point http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405217go watch the vod about this very topic where destiny can be quoted saying "one person said they wanted to rape my child" your telling me that some dudes said "tits or gtfo" and a girl went crying and shouting SEXISM SEXISM but destiny can get emails about rape fantasy over his child and thats "just the internet hating again" but has nothing to do with his gender? btw am i being "too broad" or are these specific and cited examples working Correct me if I'm wrong, but people don't rape children because they have fathers. People do attack douche-bags by insulting, such as saying that they'll rape their children. How is that the same as girls getting attacked *because* they're girls? On a second note, why can't both be wrong on their own merits? Threatening rape is bad, objectively, and we should stop people from doing it. Harassing women is bad, objectively, and we should stop people from doing it. The fact that other people in the internet do it doesn't stop it from being bad, objectively. and i agree that both of those things are bad but those two things share one thing in common, they both are happening because this person is putting themselves on the INTERNET AS A HUMAN BEING. all human beings on the internet regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation and level of completion on HOTS campaign are going to be attacked and hated on. stop pretending people say "tits or gtfo" because they are sexist, they say it because its a joke thats easily got. if you wana insult a fat person make a fat joke, if you wana insult a gay person make a gay joke, if you wana insult a girl make a joke about her being a girl can you stop pretending this is about sex its not When you sexually harass a girl, its sexism. When you verbally attack a gay person, its homophobia. When you make fun of someone's race, its racism. etc... The existence of one doesn't make the others okay. It's not okay to threaten rape because fat people are also attacked. And its not okay to attack fat people, just because others are being threatened with rape. im NOT SAYING ITS OK BECAUSE IT EXISTS. IM SAYING IT DOESNT HAPPEN BECAUSE SHE IS A GIRL, IT HAPPENS BECAUSE PEOPLE HATE OTHERS FOR NO GOOD REASON do caps work for you? how on earth can u read the posts i make and say "well they are all wrong" of course they are all wrong im not saying that at all rofl read what i write kid
so what's your point.
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On August 01 2013 01:13 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 01:11 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 01:06 Thieving Magpie wrote:On August 01 2013 01:02 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 00:52 Thieving Magpie wrote:On August 01 2013 00:47 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 00:43 Plansix wrote:
Don't argue with him, he is doing the classic "shift the burden of proof" argument that is so popular on the internet. He poses a wild theory that is only true on the broadest terms and then demands you prove him wrong. Then he can just dismiss your claims over and over while never having to make any real arguments himself. He can even post “evidence” that doesn’t even support his claim, because his argument is so broad and overreaching, it can’t really be argued against. He fully admits that women are treated poorly and judged due to their gender, but claims that isn’t a problem because other people are treated poorly for other reasons. How do you argue against that? how is talking about maximus black or kayln broad in any way lol. im talking about super specific scenarios. the opposite is true where in fact YOU are not posting any specific evidence to prove YOUR point http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405217go watch the vod about this very topic where destiny can be quoted saying "one person said they wanted to rape my child" your telling me that some dudes said "tits or gtfo" and a girl went crying and shouting SEXISM SEXISM but destiny can get emails about rape fantasy over his child and thats "just the internet hating again" but has nothing to do with his gender? btw am i being "too broad" or are these specific and cited examples working Correct me if I'm wrong, but people don't rape children because they have fathers. People do attack douche-bags by insulting, such as saying that they'll rape their children. How is that the same as girls getting attacked *because* they're girls? On a second note, why can't both be wrong on their own merits? Threatening rape is bad, objectively, and we should stop people from doing it. Harassing women is bad, objectively, and we should stop people from doing it. The fact that other people in the internet do it doesn't stop it from being bad, objectively. and i agree that both of those things are bad but those two things share one thing in common, they both are happening because this person is putting themselves on the INTERNET AS A HUMAN BEING. all human beings on the internet regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation and level of completion on HOTS campaign are going to be attacked and hated on. stop pretending people say "tits or gtfo" because they are sexist, they say it because its a joke thats easily got. if you wana insult a fat person make a fat joke, if you wana insult a gay person make a gay joke, if you wana insult a girl make a joke about her being a girl can you stop pretending this is about sex its not When you sexually harass a girl, its sexism. When you verbally attack a gay person, its homophobia. When you make fun of someone's race, its racism. etc... The existence of one doesn't make the others okay. It's not okay to threaten rape because fat people are also attacked. And its not okay to attack fat people, just because others are being threatened with rape. im NOT SAYING ITS OK BECAUSE IT EXISTS. IM SAYING IT DOESNT HAPPEN BECAUSE SHE IS A GIRL, IT HAPPENS BECAUSE PEOPLE HATE OTHERS FOR NO GOOD REASON do caps work for you? how on earth can u read the posts i make and say "well they are all wrong" of course they are all wrong im not saying that at all rofl read what i write kid so what's your point.
people are suggesting the hate towards women MUST be because they are female, im saying the hate towards them is just genderless hate that everyone gets but because they are females they just use female hate jokes
if it was a gay person it woulda been a gay joke and if it was a white person it woulda been a white person jokes (im not sure what that joke is)
its all just genderless hate
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On August 01 2013 01:15 Gr33n wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 01:13 ComaDose wrote:On August 01 2013 01:11 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 01:06 Thieving Magpie wrote:On August 01 2013 01:02 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 00:52 Thieving Magpie wrote:On August 01 2013 00:47 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 00:43 Plansix wrote:
Don't argue with him, he is doing the classic "shift the burden of proof" argument that is so popular on the internet. He poses a wild theory that is only true on the broadest terms and then demands you prove him wrong. Then he can just dismiss your claims over and over while never having to make any real arguments himself. He can even post “evidence” that doesn’t even support his claim, because his argument is so broad and overreaching, it can’t really be argued against. He fully admits that women are treated poorly and judged due to their gender, but claims that isn’t a problem because other people are treated poorly for other reasons. How do you argue against that? how is talking about maximus black or kayln broad in any way lol. im talking about super specific scenarios. the opposite is true where in fact YOU are not posting any specific evidence to prove YOUR point http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405217go watch the vod about this very topic where destiny can be quoted saying "one person said they wanted to rape my child" your telling me that some dudes said "tits or gtfo" and a girl went crying and shouting SEXISM SEXISM but destiny can get emails about rape fantasy over his child and thats "just the internet hating again" but has nothing to do with his gender? btw am i being "too broad" or are these specific and cited examples working Correct me if I'm wrong, but people don't rape children because they have fathers. People do attack douche-bags by insulting, such as saying that they'll rape their children. How is that the same as girls getting attacked *because* they're girls? On a second note, why can't both be wrong on their own merits? Threatening rape is bad, objectively, and we should stop people from doing it. Harassing women is bad, objectively, and we should stop people from doing it. The fact that other people in the internet do it doesn't stop it from being bad, objectively. and i agree that both of those things are bad but those two things share one thing in common, they both are happening because this person is putting themselves on the INTERNET AS A HUMAN BEING. all human beings on the internet regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation and level of completion on HOTS campaign are going to be attacked and hated on. stop pretending people say "tits or gtfo" because they are sexist, they say it because its a joke thats easily got. if you wana insult a fat person make a fat joke, if you wana insult a gay person make a gay joke, if you wana insult a girl make a joke about her being a girl can you stop pretending this is about sex its not When you sexually harass a girl, its sexism. When you verbally attack a gay person, its homophobia. When you make fun of someone's race, its racism. etc... The existence of one doesn't make the others okay. It's not okay to threaten rape because fat people are also attacked. And its not okay to attack fat people, just because others are being threatened with rape. im NOT SAYING ITS OK BECAUSE IT EXISTS. IM SAYING IT DOESNT HAPPEN BECAUSE SHE IS A GIRL, IT HAPPENS BECAUSE PEOPLE HATE OTHERS FOR NO GOOD REASON do caps work for you? how on earth can u read the posts i make and say "well they are all wrong" of course they are all wrong im not saying that at all rofl read what i write kid so what's your point. people are suggesting the hate towards women MUST be because they are female, im saying the hate towards them is just genderless hate that everyone gets but because they are females they just use female hate jokes if it was a gay person it woulda been a gay joke and if it was a white person it woulda been a white person jokes (im not sure what that joke is) its all just genderless hate
Gay jokes are homophobic, female jokes are sexist, race jokes are racist. They're all bad, and they're all part of the community we are in both online and offline.
It being the internet doesn't make it okay to do any of it.
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On August 01 2013 01:15 Gr33n wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 01:13 ComaDose wrote:On August 01 2013 01:11 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 01:06 Thieving Magpie wrote:On August 01 2013 01:02 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 00:52 Thieving Magpie wrote:On August 01 2013 00:47 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 00:43 Plansix wrote:
Don't argue with him, he is doing the classic "shift the burden of proof" argument that is so popular on the internet. He poses a wild theory that is only true on the broadest terms and then demands you prove him wrong. Then he can just dismiss your claims over and over while never having to make any real arguments himself. He can even post “evidence” that doesn’t even support his claim, because his argument is so broad and overreaching, it can’t really be argued against. He fully admits that women are treated poorly and judged due to their gender, but claims that isn’t a problem because other people are treated poorly for other reasons. How do you argue against that? how is talking about maximus black or kayln broad in any way lol. im talking about super specific scenarios. the opposite is true where in fact YOU are not posting any specific evidence to prove YOUR point http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405217go watch the vod about this very topic where destiny can be quoted saying "one person said they wanted to rape my child" your telling me that some dudes said "tits or gtfo" and a girl went crying and shouting SEXISM SEXISM but destiny can get emails about rape fantasy over his child and thats "just the internet hating again" but has nothing to do with his gender? btw am i being "too broad" or are these specific and cited examples working Correct me if I'm wrong, but people don't rape children because they have fathers. People do attack douche-bags by insulting, such as saying that they'll rape their children. How is that the same as girls getting attacked *because* they're girls? On a second note, why can't both be wrong on their own merits? Threatening rape is bad, objectively, and we should stop people from doing it. Harassing women is bad, objectively, and we should stop people from doing it. The fact that other people in the internet do it doesn't stop it from being bad, objectively. and i agree that both of those things are bad but those two things share one thing in common, they both are happening because this person is putting themselves on the INTERNET AS A HUMAN BEING. all human beings on the internet regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation and level of completion on HOTS campaign are going to be attacked and hated on. stop pretending people say "tits or gtfo" because they are sexist, they say it because its a joke thats easily got. if you wana insult a fat person make a fat joke, if you wana insult a gay person make a gay joke, if you wana insult a girl make a joke about her being a girl can you stop pretending this is about sex its not When you sexually harass a girl, its sexism. When you verbally attack a gay person, its homophobia. When you make fun of someone's race, its racism. etc... The existence of one doesn't make the others okay. It's not okay to threaten rape because fat people are also attacked. And its not okay to attack fat people, just because others are being threatened with rape. im NOT SAYING ITS OK BECAUSE IT EXISTS. IM SAYING IT DOESNT HAPPEN BECAUSE SHE IS A GIRL, IT HAPPENS BECAUSE PEOPLE HATE OTHERS FOR NO GOOD REASON do caps work for you? how on earth can u read the posts i make and say "well they are all wrong" of course they are all wrong im not saying that at all rofl read what i write kid so what's your point. people are suggesting the hate towards women MUST be because they are female, im saying the hate towards them is just genderless hate that everyone gets but because they are females they just use female hate jokes if it was a gay person it woulda been a gay joke and if it was a white person it woulda been a white person jokes (im not sure what that joke is) its all just genderless hate
So let me get this straight, it's okay to make gendered insults, because even though they're gendered I didn't "intend" to be sexist, just offensive. smh
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On August 01 2013 01:15 Gr33n wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 01:13 ComaDose wrote:On August 01 2013 01:11 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 01:06 Thieving Magpie wrote:On August 01 2013 01:02 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 00:52 Thieving Magpie wrote:On August 01 2013 00:47 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 00:43 Plansix wrote:
Don't argue with him, he is doing the classic "shift the burden of proof" argument that is so popular on the internet. He poses a wild theory that is only true on the broadest terms and then demands you prove him wrong. Then he can just dismiss your claims over and over while never having to make any real arguments himself. He can even post “evidence” that doesn’t even support his claim, because his argument is so broad and overreaching, it can’t really be argued against. He fully admits that women are treated poorly and judged due to their gender, but claims that isn’t a problem because other people are treated poorly for other reasons. How do you argue against that? how is talking about maximus black or kayln broad in any way lol. im talking about super specific scenarios. the opposite is true where in fact YOU are not posting any specific evidence to prove YOUR point http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405217go watch the vod about this very topic where destiny can be quoted saying "one person said they wanted to rape my child" your telling me that some dudes said "tits or gtfo" and a girl went crying and shouting SEXISM SEXISM but destiny can get emails about rape fantasy over his child and thats "just the internet hating again" but has nothing to do with his gender? btw am i being "too broad" or are these specific and cited examples working Correct me if I'm wrong, but people don't rape children because they have fathers. People do attack douche-bags by insulting, such as saying that they'll rape their children. How is that the same as girls getting attacked *because* they're girls? On a second note, why can't both be wrong on their own merits? Threatening rape is bad, objectively, and we should stop people from doing it. Harassing women is bad, objectively, and we should stop people from doing it. The fact that other people in the internet do it doesn't stop it from being bad, objectively. and i agree that both of those things are bad but those two things share one thing in common, they both are happening because this person is putting themselves on the INTERNET AS A HUMAN BEING. all human beings on the internet regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation and level of completion on HOTS campaign are going to be attacked and hated on. stop pretending people say "tits or gtfo" because they are sexist, they say it because its a joke thats easily got. if you wana insult a fat person make a fat joke, if you wana insult a gay person make a gay joke, if you wana insult a girl make a joke about her being a girl can you stop pretending this is about sex its not When you sexually harass a girl, its sexism. When you verbally attack a gay person, its homophobia. When you make fun of someone's race, its racism. etc... The existence of one doesn't make the others okay. It's not okay to threaten rape because fat people are also attacked. And its not okay to attack fat people, just because others are being threatened with rape. im NOT SAYING ITS OK BECAUSE IT EXISTS. IM SAYING IT DOESNT HAPPEN BECAUSE SHE IS A GIRL, IT HAPPENS BECAUSE PEOPLE HATE OTHERS FOR NO GOOD REASON do caps work for you? how on earth can u read the posts i make and say "well they are all wrong" of course they are all wrong im not saying that at all rofl read what i write kid so what's your point. people are suggesting the hate towards women MUST be because they are female, im saying the hate towards them is just genderless hate that everyone gets but because they are females they just use female hate jokes if it was a gay person it woulda been a gay joke and if it was a white person it woulda been a white person jokes (im not sure what that joke is) its all just genderless hate
sure its generless hate but sometimes, jokes, and i mean agressive ones, just fit better with females so idiots do them without thinking.
as example i really wonder no one said shit like "in the kitchen" as answer to this thread ...
people normaly just are dicks and its just often easier being a dick to girls
edit: being a dick to girls sounds so wrong ...
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On August 01 2013 01:19 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 01:15 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 01:13 ComaDose wrote:On August 01 2013 01:11 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 01:06 Thieving Magpie wrote:On August 01 2013 01:02 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 00:52 Thieving Magpie wrote:On August 01 2013 00:47 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 00:43 Plansix wrote:
Don't argue with him, he is doing the classic "shift the burden of proof" argument that is so popular on the internet. He poses a wild theory that is only true on the broadest terms and then demands you prove him wrong. Then he can just dismiss your claims over and over while never having to make any real arguments himself. He can even post “evidence” that doesn’t even support his claim, because his argument is so broad and overreaching, it can’t really be argued against. He fully admits that women are treated poorly and judged due to their gender, but claims that isn’t a problem because other people are treated poorly for other reasons. How do you argue against that? how is talking about maximus black or kayln broad in any way lol. im talking about super specific scenarios. the opposite is true where in fact YOU are not posting any specific evidence to prove YOUR point http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405217go watch the vod about this very topic where destiny can be quoted saying "one person said they wanted to rape my child" your telling me that some dudes said "tits or gtfo" and a girl went crying and shouting SEXISM SEXISM but destiny can get emails about rape fantasy over his child and thats "just the internet hating again" but has nothing to do with his gender? btw am i being "too broad" or are these specific and cited examples working Correct me if I'm wrong, but people don't rape children because they have fathers. People do attack douche-bags by insulting, such as saying that they'll rape their children. How is that the same as girls getting attacked *because* they're girls? On a second note, why can't both be wrong on their own merits? Threatening rape is bad, objectively, and we should stop people from doing it. Harassing women is bad, objectively, and we should stop people from doing it. The fact that other people in the internet do it doesn't stop it from being bad, objectively. and i agree that both of those things are bad but those two things share one thing in common, they both are happening because this person is putting themselves on the INTERNET AS A HUMAN BEING. all human beings on the internet regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation and level of completion on HOTS campaign are going to be attacked and hated on. stop pretending people say "tits or gtfo" because they are sexist, they say it because its a joke thats easily got. if you wana insult a fat person make a fat joke, if you wana insult a gay person make a gay joke, if you wana insult a girl make a joke about her being a girl can you stop pretending this is about sex its not When you sexually harass a girl, its sexism. When you verbally attack a gay person, its homophobia. When you make fun of someone's race, its racism. etc... The existence of one doesn't make the others okay. It's not okay to threaten rape because fat people are also attacked. And its not okay to attack fat people, just because others are being threatened with rape. im NOT SAYING ITS OK BECAUSE IT EXISTS. IM SAYING IT DOESNT HAPPEN BECAUSE SHE IS A GIRL, IT HAPPENS BECAUSE PEOPLE HATE OTHERS FOR NO GOOD REASON do caps work for you? how on earth can u read the posts i make and say "well they are all wrong" of course they are all wrong im not saying that at all rofl read what i write kid so what's your point. people are suggesting the hate towards women MUST be because they are female, im saying the hate towards them is just genderless hate that everyone gets but because they are females they just use female hate jokes if it was a gay person it woulda been a gay joke and if it was a white person it woulda been a white person jokes (im not sure what that joke is) its all just genderless hate Gay jokes are homophobic, female jokes are sexist, race jokes are racist. They're all bad, and they're all part of the community we are in both online and offline. It being the internet doesn't make it okay to do any of it.
see you are a troll or an idiot. we both agree they are not ok to do, but if you think they are hating on women because they are women then you are just 2x the idiot
im not responding to you anymore you clearly are trolling (u MAY be stupid tho idn...)
EXACTLY ABOVE POSTER!! people just say the most offensive thing they can say, if its a women they reach for the best female joke its not because they care shes a girl its generally because they wana be a dick
User was temp banned for this post.
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On August 01 2013 01:15 Gr33n wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 01:13 ComaDose wrote:On August 01 2013 01:11 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 01:06 Thieving Magpie wrote:On August 01 2013 01:02 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 00:52 Thieving Magpie wrote:On August 01 2013 00:47 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 00:43 Plansix wrote:
Don't argue with him, he is doing the classic "shift the burden of proof" argument that is so popular on the internet. He poses a wild theory that is only true on the broadest terms and then demands you prove him wrong. Then he can just dismiss your claims over and over while never having to make any real arguments himself. He can even post “evidence” that doesn’t even support his claim, because his argument is so broad and overreaching, it can’t really be argued against. He fully admits that women are treated poorly and judged due to their gender, but claims that isn’t a problem because other people are treated poorly for other reasons. How do you argue against that? how is talking about maximus black or kayln broad in any way lol. im talking about super specific scenarios. the opposite is true where in fact YOU are not posting any specific evidence to prove YOUR point http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405217go watch the vod about this very topic where destiny can be quoted saying "one person said they wanted to rape my child" your telling me that some dudes said "tits or gtfo" and a girl went crying and shouting SEXISM SEXISM but destiny can get emails about rape fantasy over his child and thats "just the internet hating again" but has nothing to do with his gender? btw am i being "too broad" or are these specific and cited examples working Correct me if I'm wrong, but people don't rape children because they have fathers. People do attack douche-bags by insulting, such as saying that they'll rape their children. How is that the same as girls getting attacked *because* they're girls? On a second note, why can't both be wrong on their own merits? Threatening rape is bad, objectively, and we should stop people from doing it. Harassing women is bad, objectively, and we should stop people from doing it. The fact that other people in the internet do it doesn't stop it from being bad, objectively. and i agree that both of those things are bad but those two things share one thing in common, they both are happening because this person is putting themselves on the INTERNET AS A HUMAN BEING. all human beings on the internet regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation and level of completion on HOTS campaign are going to be attacked and hated on. stop pretending people say "tits or gtfo" because they are sexist, they say it because its a joke thats easily got. if you wana insult a fat person make a fat joke, if you wana insult a gay person make a gay joke, if you wana insult a girl make a joke about her being a girl can you stop pretending this is about sex its not When you sexually harass a girl, its sexism. When you verbally attack a gay person, its homophobia. When you make fun of someone's race, its racism. etc... The existence of one doesn't make the others okay. It's not okay to threaten rape because fat people are also attacked. And its not okay to attack fat people, just because others are being threatened with rape. im NOT SAYING ITS OK BECAUSE IT EXISTS. IM SAYING IT DOESNT HAPPEN BECAUSE SHE IS A GIRL, IT HAPPENS BECAUSE PEOPLE HATE OTHERS FOR NO GOOD REASON do caps work for you? how on earth can u read the posts i make and say "well they are all wrong" of course they are all wrong im not saying that at all rofl read what i write kid so what's your point. people are suggesting the hate towards women MUST be because they are female, im saying the hate towards them is just genderless hate that everyone gets but because they are females they just use female hate jokes if it was a gay person it woulda been a gay joke and if it was a white person it woulda been a white person jokes (im not sure what that joke is) its all just genderless hate
well the actions towards them are not genderless hate. additionally in your average game of dota fewer people will make sexual comments to you if you use voice chat with a masculine voice as compared to a female voice. No average gamer could compile such a list of hate messages like the ones from the women you linked above.
additionally its more socially acceptable to be a nerd and a guy than a nerd and a girl and everyone is taught this since the time they enter society.
additionally just by trying to step on the scene women's motives are called into question purely becuase of their gender it is assumed they are there to get attention.
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On August 01 2013 01:20 Sevre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 01:15 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 01:13 ComaDose wrote:On August 01 2013 01:11 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 01:06 Thieving Magpie wrote:On August 01 2013 01:02 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 00:52 Thieving Magpie wrote:On August 01 2013 00:47 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 00:43 Plansix wrote:
Don't argue with him, he is doing the classic "shift the burden of proof" argument that is so popular on the internet. He poses a wild theory that is only true on the broadest terms and then demands you prove him wrong. Then he can just dismiss your claims over and over while never having to make any real arguments himself. He can even post “evidence” that doesn’t even support his claim, because his argument is so broad and overreaching, it can’t really be argued against. He fully admits that women are treated poorly and judged due to their gender, but claims that isn’t a problem because other people are treated poorly for other reasons. How do you argue against that? how is talking about maximus black or kayln broad in any way lol. im talking about super specific scenarios. the opposite is true where in fact YOU are not posting any specific evidence to prove YOUR point http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405217go watch the vod about this very topic where destiny can be quoted saying "one person said they wanted to rape my child" your telling me that some dudes said "tits or gtfo" and a girl went crying and shouting SEXISM SEXISM but destiny can get emails about rape fantasy over his child and thats "just the internet hating again" but has nothing to do with his gender? btw am i being "too broad" or are these specific and cited examples working Correct me if I'm wrong, but people don't rape children because they have fathers. People do attack douche-bags by insulting, such as saying that they'll rape their children. How is that the same as girls getting attacked *because* they're girls? On a second note, why can't both be wrong on their own merits? Threatening rape is bad, objectively, and we should stop people from doing it. Harassing women is bad, objectively, and we should stop people from doing it. The fact that other people in the internet do it doesn't stop it from being bad, objectively. and i agree that both of those things are bad but those two things share one thing in common, they both are happening because this person is putting themselves on the INTERNET AS A HUMAN BEING. all human beings on the internet regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation and level of completion on HOTS campaign are going to be attacked and hated on. stop pretending people say "tits or gtfo" because they are sexist, they say it because its a joke thats easily got. if you wana insult a fat person make a fat joke, if you wana insult a gay person make a gay joke, if you wana insult a girl make a joke about her being a girl can you stop pretending this is about sex its not When you sexually harass a girl, its sexism. When you verbally attack a gay person, its homophobia. When you make fun of someone's race, its racism. etc... The existence of one doesn't make the others okay. It's not okay to threaten rape because fat people are also attacked. And its not okay to attack fat people, just because others are being threatened with rape. im NOT SAYING ITS OK BECAUSE IT EXISTS. IM SAYING IT DOESNT HAPPEN BECAUSE SHE IS A GIRL, IT HAPPENS BECAUSE PEOPLE HATE OTHERS FOR NO GOOD REASON do caps work for you? how on earth can u read the posts i make and say "well they are all wrong" of course they are all wrong im not saying that at all rofl read what i write kid so what's your point. people are suggesting the hate towards women MUST be because they are female, im saying the hate towards them is just genderless hate that everyone gets but because they are females they just use female hate jokes if it was a gay person it woulda been a gay joke and if it was a white person it woulda been a white person jokes (im not sure what that joke is) its all just genderless hate So let me get this straight, it's okay to make gendered insults, because even though they're gendered I didn't "intend" to be sexist, just offensive. smh
Apparently he also believes that you can use use racist and homophobic insults for the same reason. Yeah for the record, that explanation didnt really work for Destiny when he tried it.
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User was temp-banned, so no need for me to continue the discussion with him
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On August 01 2013 01:22 Gr33n wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 01:19 Thieving Magpie wrote:On August 01 2013 01:15 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 01:13 ComaDose wrote:On August 01 2013 01:11 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 01:06 Thieving Magpie wrote:On August 01 2013 01:02 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 00:52 Thieving Magpie wrote:On August 01 2013 00:47 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 00:43 Plansix wrote:
Don't argue with him, he is doing the classic "shift the burden of proof" argument that is so popular on the internet. He poses a wild theory that is only true on the broadest terms and then demands you prove him wrong. Then he can just dismiss your claims over and over while never having to make any real arguments himself. He can even post “evidence” that doesn’t even support his claim, because his argument is so broad and overreaching, it can’t really be argued against. He fully admits that women are treated poorly and judged due to their gender, but claims that isn’t a problem because other people are treated poorly for other reasons. How do you argue against that? how is talking about maximus black or kayln broad in any way lol. im talking about super specific scenarios. the opposite is true where in fact YOU are not posting any specific evidence to prove YOUR point http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405217go watch the vod about this very topic where destiny can be quoted saying "one person said they wanted to rape my child" your telling me that some dudes said "tits or gtfo" and a girl went crying and shouting SEXISM SEXISM but destiny can get emails about rape fantasy over his child and thats "just the internet hating again" but has nothing to do with his gender? btw am i being "too broad" or are these specific and cited examples working Correct me if I'm wrong, but people don't rape children because they have fathers. People do attack douche-bags by insulting, such as saying that they'll rape their children. How is that the same as girls getting attacked *because* they're girls? On a second note, why can't both be wrong on their own merits? Threatening rape is bad, objectively, and we should stop people from doing it. Harassing women is bad, objectively, and we should stop people from doing it. The fact that other people in the internet do it doesn't stop it from being bad, objectively. and i agree that both of those things are bad but those two things share one thing in common, they both are happening because this person is putting themselves on the INTERNET AS A HUMAN BEING. all human beings on the internet regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation and level of completion on HOTS campaign are going to be attacked and hated on. stop pretending people say "tits or gtfo" because they are sexist, they say it because its a joke thats easily got. if you wana insult a fat person make a fat joke, if you wana insult a gay person make a gay joke, if you wana insult a girl make a joke about her being a girl can you stop pretending this is about sex its not When you sexually harass a girl, its sexism. When you verbally attack a gay person, its homophobia. When you make fun of someone's race, its racism. etc... The existence of one doesn't make the others okay. It's not okay to threaten rape because fat people are also attacked. And its not okay to attack fat people, just because others are being threatened with rape. im NOT SAYING ITS OK BECAUSE IT EXISTS. IM SAYING IT DOESNT HAPPEN BECAUSE SHE IS A GIRL, IT HAPPENS BECAUSE PEOPLE HATE OTHERS FOR NO GOOD REASON do caps work for you? how on earth can u read the posts i make and say "well they are all wrong" of course they are all wrong im not saying that at all rofl read what i write kid so what's your point. people are suggesting the hate towards women MUST be because they are female, im saying the hate towards them is just genderless hate that everyone gets but because they are females they just use female hate jokes if it was a gay person it woulda been a gay joke and if it was a white person it woulda been a white person jokes (im not sure what that joke is) its all just genderless hate Gay jokes are homophobic, female jokes are sexist, race jokes are racist. They're all bad, and they're all part of the community we are in both online and offline. It being the internet doesn't make it okay to do any of it. see you are a troll or an idiot. we both agree they are not ok to do, but if you think they are hating on women because they are women then you are just 2x the idiot im not responding to you anymore you clearly are trolling (u MAY be stupid tho idn...) EXACTLY ABOVE POSTER!! people just say the most offensive thing they can say, if its a women they reach for the best female joke its not because they care shes a girl its generally because they wana be a dick
But why can't people discuss sexist comments and the possibility(no matter how slight) of sexism people separate from other forms of internet hate? It is easier to address one at a time, rather than address all internet hate at once.
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On August 01 2013 01:24 MstrJinbo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 01:20 Sevre wrote:On August 01 2013 01:15 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 01:13 ComaDose wrote:On August 01 2013 01:11 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 01:06 Thieving Magpie wrote:On August 01 2013 01:02 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 00:52 Thieving Magpie wrote:On August 01 2013 00:47 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 00:43 Plansix wrote:
Don't argue with him, he is doing the classic "shift the burden of proof" argument that is so popular on the internet. He poses a wild theory that is only true on the broadest terms and then demands you prove him wrong. Then he can just dismiss your claims over and over while never having to make any real arguments himself. He can even post “evidence” that doesn’t even support his claim, because his argument is so broad and overreaching, it can’t really be argued against. He fully admits that women are treated poorly and judged due to their gender, but claims that isn’t a problem because other people are treated poorly for other reasons. How do you argue against that? how is talking about maximus black or kayln broad in any way lol. im talking about super specific scenarios. the opposite is true where in fact YOU are not posting any specific evidence to prove YOUR point http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405217go watch the vod about this very topic where destiny can be quoted saying "one person said they wanted to rape my child" your telling me that some dudes said "tits or gtfo" and a girl went crying and shouting SEXISM SEXISM but destiny can get emails about rape fantasy over his child and thats "just the internet hating again" but has nothing to do with his gender? btw am i being "too broad" or are these specific and cited examples working Correct me if I'm wrong, but people don't rape children because they have fathers. People do attack douche-bags by insulting, such as saying that they'll rape their children. How is that the same as girls getting attacked *because* they're girls? On a second note, why can't both be wrong on their own merits? Threatening rape is bad, objectively, and we should stop people from doing it. Harassing women is bad, objectively, and we should stop people from doing it. The fact that other people in the internet do it doesn't stop it from being bad, objectively. and i agree that both of those things are bad but those two things share one thing in common, they both are happening because this person is putting themselves on the INTERNET AS A HUMAN BEING. all human beings on the internet regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation and level of completion on HOTS campaign are going to be attacked and hated on. stop pretending people say "tits or gtfo" because they are sexist, they say it because its a joke thats easily got. if you wana insult a fat person make a fat joke, if you wana insult a gay person make a gay joke, if you wana insult a girl make a joke about her being a girl can you stop pretending this is about sex its not When you sexually harass a girl, its sexism. When you verbally attack a gay person, its homophobia. When you make fun of someone's race, its racism. etc... The existence of one doesn't make the others okay. It's not okay to threaten rape because fat people are also attacked. And its not okay to attack fat people, just because others are being threatened with rape. im NOT SAYING ITS OK BECAUSE IT EXISTS. IM SAYING IT DOESNT HAPPEN BECAUSE SHE IS A GIRL, IT HAPPENS BECAUSE PEOPLE HATE OTHERS FOR NO GOOD REASON do caps work for you? how on earth can u read the posts i make and say "well they are all wrong" of course they are all wrong im not saying that at all rofl read what i write kid so what's your point. people are suggesting the hate towards women MUST be because they are female, im saying the hate towards them is just genderless hate that everyone gets but because they are females they just use female hate jokes if it was a gay person it woulda been a gay joke and if it was a white person it woulda been a white person jokes (im not sure what that joke is) its all just genderless hate So let me get this straight, it's okay to make gendered insults, because even though they're gendered I didn't "intend" to be sexist, just offensive. smh Apparently he also believes that you can use use racist and homophobic insults for the same reason. Yeah for the record, that explanation didnt really work for Destiny when he tried it.
I only vaguely know who Destiny is but I hear his/her name a lot in relation to this topic, what exactly are they famous for?
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On August 01 2013 01:21 Drake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 01:15 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 01:13 ComaDose wrote:On August 01 2013 01:11 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 01:06 Thieving Magpie wrote:On August 01 2013 01:02 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 00:52 Thieving Magpie wrote:On August 01 2013 00:47 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 00:43 Plansix wrote:
Don't argue with him, he is doing the classic "shift the burden of proof" argument that is so popular on the internet. He poses a wild theory that is only true on the broadest terms and then demands you prove him wrong. Then he can just dismiss your claims over and over while never having to make any real arguments himself. He can even post “evidence” that doesn’t even support his claim, because his argument is so broad and overreaching, it can’t really be argued against. He fully admits that women are treated poorly and judged due to their gender, but claims that isn’t a problem because other people are treated poorly for other reasons. How do you argue against that? how is talking about maximus black or kayln broad in any way lol. im talking about super specific scenarios. the opposite is true where in fact YOU are not posting any specific evidence to prove YOUR point http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405217go watch the vod about this very topic where destiny can be quoted saying "one person said they wanted to rape my child" your telling me that some dudes said "tits or gtfo" and a girl went crying and shouting SEXISM SEXISM but destiny can get emails about rape fantasy over his child and thats "just the internet hating again" but has nothing to do with his gender? btw am i being "too broad" or are these specific and cited examples working Correct me if I'm wrong, but people don't rape children because they have fathers. People do attack douche-bags by insulting, such as saying that they'll rape their children. How is that the same as girls getting attacked *because* they're girls? On a second note, why can't both be wrong on their own merits? Threatening rape is bad, objectively, and we should stop people from doing it. Harassing women is bad, objectively, and we should stop people from doing it. The fact that other people in the internet do it doesn't stop it from being bad, objectively. and i agree that both of those things are bad but those two things share one thing in common, they both are happening because this person is putting themselves on the INTERNET AS A HUMAN BEING. all human beings on the internet regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation and level of completion on HOTS campaign are going to be attacked and hated on. stop pretending people say "tits or gtfo" because they are sexist, they say it because its a joke thats easily got. if you wana insult a fat person make a fat joke, if you wana insult a gay person make a gay joke, if you wana insult a girl make a joke about her being a girl can you stop pretending this is about sex its not When you sexually harass a girl, its sexism. When you verbally attack a gay person, its homophobia. When you make fun of someone's race, its racism. etc... The existence of one doesn't make the others okay. It's not okay to threaten rape because fat people are also attacked. And its not okay to attack fat people, just because others are being threatened with rape. im NOT SAYING ITS OK BECAUSE IT EXISTS. IM SAYING IT DOESNT HAPPEN BECAUSE SHE IS A GIRL, IT HAPPENS BECAUSE PEOPLE HATE OTHERS FOR NO GOOD REASON do caps work for you? how on earth can u read the posts i make and say "well they are all wrong" of course they are all wrong im not saying that at all rofl read what i write kid so what's your point. people are suggesting the hate towards women MUST be because they are female, im saying the hate towards them is just genderless hate that everyone gets but because they are females they just use female hate jokes if it was a gay person it woulda been a gay joke and if it was a white person it woulda been a white person jokes (im not sure what that joke is) its all just genderless hate sure its generless hate but sometimes, jokes, and i mean agressive ones, just fit better with females so idiots do them without thinking. as example i really wonder no one said shit like "in the kitchen" as answer to this thread ... people normaly just are dicks and its just often easier being a dick to girls
So why is it people throw such a huge fit when it comes to insulting women on the internet, when other people regularly insult others with racist terms, derogatory terms, etc.? You know how many times I've seen 'You're a faggot' and I haven't seen one gay person complain about it? Or how when someone drops the n bomb towards black people online.
Why is it women in particular get this special treatment? Everyone else from every other walk of life gets pretty harsh abuse themselves. This is exactly why I call someone like Plansix or Theiving Magpie white knights, because they are talking up about a problem that is virtually non-existent. Yes, some assholes are being sexist to be sexist. However, said same assholes probably call me all sorts of Asian related derogatory terms, yet I don't make a huge fuss 'THE INTERNET IS OUT TO GET ASIAN PEOPLE.'
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I think his point is that he thinks the haters are spinning some wheel of fortune type device going "hmmm who shall I hate on next?" and it just so happens to land on the slot of a woman, so they use gender insults against them. If their wheel o' hate landed on young boys they would have lashed out at them, like it's some indiscriminate act that was inevitably going to happen anyway in some form or another.
It's very silly.
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On August 01 2013 01:25 Thieving Magpie wrote:
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User was temp-banned, so no need for me to continue the discussion with him
Ah playing that card are we, we must continue this discussion till all the ignorant misogynists on TL choke on our discourse.
In all seriousness it's really good to see TL posters come out and defend women in gaming, I get so sick of the attitudes on other forums (*cough* reddit *cough*)
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On August 01 2013 00:30 MstrJinbo wrote:
I don't understand why we are arguing this. It's offensive to Asians and people with Down syndrome. Might be a good idea to not use it. I think we've learned from destiny's incident that whether or not you think it's ok is irrelevant.
Context matter, and words can have multiple meanings... that is why context matter. (btw: you are excluding American Arctic tribes and a lot of Pacific Islanders out of your definition of choice... humm... I guess they should be offended too)
Bear in mind that in my culture, the very idea to use the term 'race' in the context of a human population is considered offensive and racist. In my culture there is only one human 'race'.
see:https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racisme
"Le racisme est une idéologie qui part du postulat de l'existence de races humaines"
Racism is an ideology that start from the postulate that there exist (multiple) human races.
With that in mind, should I be able to force every english-speaking community to change their way and the meaning they ascribe to 'race' in that context, in order not to offend others ?
or is this rule only apply when _you_ are offended ?
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On August 01 2013 01:26 Sevre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 01:24 MstrJinbo wrote:On August 01 2013 01:20 Sevre wrote:On August 01 2013 01:15 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 01:13 ComaDose wrote:On August 01 2013 01:11 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 01:06 Thieving Magpie wrote:On August 01 2013 01:02 Gr33n wrote:On August 01 2013 00:52 Thieving Magpie wrote:On August 01 2013 00:47 Gr33n wrote:[quote] how is talking about maximus black or kayln broad in any way lol. im talking about super specific scenarios. the opposite is true where in fact YOU are not posting any specific evidence to prove YOUR point http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405217go watch the vod about this very topic where destiny can be quoted saying "one person said they wanted to rape my child" your telling me that some dudes said "tits or gtfo" and a girl went crying and shouting SEXISM SEXISM but destiny can get emails about rape fantasy over his child and thats "just the internet hating again" but has nothing to do with his gender? btw am i being "too broad" or are these specific and cited examples working Correct me if I'm wrong, but people don't rape children because they have fathers. People do attack douche-bags by insulting, such as saying that they'll rape their children. How is that the same as girls getting attacked *because* they're girls? On a second note, why can't both be wrong on their own merits? Threatening rape is bad, objectively, and we should stop people from doing it. Harassing women is bad, objectively, and we should stop people from doing it. The fact that other people in the internet do it doesn't stop it from being bad, objectively. and i agree that both of those things are bad but those two things share one thing in common, they both are happening because this person is putting themselves on the INTERNET AS A HUMAN BEING. all human beings on the internet regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation and level of completion on HOTS campaign are going to be attacked and hated on. stop pretending people say "tits or gtfo" because they are sexist, they say it because its a joke thats easily got. if you wana insult a fat person make a fat joke, if you wana insult a gay person make a gay joke, if you wana insult a girl make a joke about her being a girl can you stop pretending this is about sex its not When you sexually harass a girl, its sexism. When you verbally attack a gay person, its homophobia. When you make fun of someone's race, its racism. etc... The existence of one doesn't make the others okay. It's not okay to threaten rape because fat people are also attacked. And its not okay to attack fat people, just because others are being threatened with rape. im NOT SAYING ITS OK BECAUSE IT EXISTS. IM SAYING IT DOESNT HAPPEN BECAUSE SHE IS A GIRL, IT HAPPENS BECAUSE PEOPLE HATE OTHERS FOR NO GOOD REASON do caps work for you? how on earth can u read the posts i make and say "well they are all wrong" of course they are all wrong im not saying that at all rofl read what i write kid so what's your point. people are suggesting the hate towards women MUST be because they are female, im saying the hate towards them is just genderless hate that everyone gets but because they are females they just use female hate jokes if it was a gay person it woulda been a gay joke and if it was a white person it woulda been a white person jokes (im not sure what that joke is) its all just genderless hate So let me get this straight, it's okay to make gendered insults, because even though they're gendered I didn't "intend" to be sexist, just offensive. smh Apparently he also believes that you can use use racist and homophobic insults for the same reason. Yeah for the record, that explanation didnt really work for Destiny when he tried it. I only vaguely know who Destiny is but I hear his/her name a lot in relation to this topic, what exactly are they famous for?
He was derogatory. Sponsors pulled support, his fans whined that saying racist/misogynist stuff is okay because "internet."
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