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Flaccid
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
8866 Posts
May 13 2014 14:35 GMT
#3721
Alright hockey gods, give me what I want tonight: Fleury to take another massive dump on his team's chances to ever win anything. I want to see vintage MAF dropping his patented sub-.800 save percentage in an important game. Now's not the time to break form. Go Rangers!

I honestly feel as though this series would be over already if the Rangers weren't forced to play such a retarded schedule this post-season.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
monx
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada1400 Posts
May 13 2014 15:08 GMT
#3722
yeah i think i'll be cheering for the rangers even tough im somewhat of pens fans.Just dislike MAF and the coaching staff
@ggmonx
Orcasgt24
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3238 Posts
May 13 2014 15:57 GMT
#3723
On May 13 2014 23:35 Flaccid wrote:
Alright hockey gods, give me what I want tonight: Fleury to take another massive dump on his team's chances to ever win anything. I want to see vintage MAF dropping his patented sub-.800 save percentage in an important game. Now's not the time to break form. Go Rangers!

I honestly feel as though this series would be over already if the Rangers weren't forced to play such a retarded schedule this post-season.

MSG is the busiest arena in the world. If not number one than its easily top 5. I doubt the NHL had much choice in the matter.
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Flaccid
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
8866 Posts
May 13 2014 16:03 GMT
#3724
Of course the NHL didn't - but perhaps MSG did? Either way, it's just shitty luck for the team.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
May 13 2014 18:27 GMT
#3725
On May 13 2014 09:39 lamprey1 wrote:
nice chart. almost all goals are scored with the goal scoring team possessing the puck.

you need talent to have a puck possessing team.
don't reverse cause and effect.
talent is a necessary condition to have a puck possession team.

non skeptical morons believing these charts would say Cherry and the Team Finland coach were lousy coaches because they didn't make their teams a puck possession team.

example, 1978-9 Montreal Canadiens. talent first... puck possession philosophy next.
a more recent example was Finland v. Canada in the 2014 Olympics. Would Finland have loved to have been the dominant puck possession team in that game? of course they would. Canada has more talent .. so it don't matter what the coach's philosophy is.

Had Cherry coached the Bruins to "possess the puck" they would never ever come close to beating Montreal.
they'd lose 4-0. Cherry did a great coaching job. Back today's NHL, the principles remain the same though.

Had Finland tried to play Canada's game they would've lost 8-3...instead the took it to overtime and lost 2-1.

the very best teams always play a puck possession game because they have the talent to do so.
that has been going on since at least the Soviet Red Army and the 70s Montreal Canadiens. It probably goes on before that.


so far Carlyle has done a better job with the Leafs than Wilson. nice chart though.

onto the Coach's Corner Report.

Cherry showing us Daniel Bouchard's goal stick and how it would've prevented the Bruins first goal.

- very detailed look at one the Bruins set plays used to break out of their own endd and how it is failing tonight.

-Cherry raving about Johnathan Toews.

-No protection for Crosby.. and Ron agrees with grapes. Grapes thinks Crosby is taking way to many brutal shots.
Take that you Crosby haters.

-Cherry ranting about the instigator.

My comments.

Crosby took a heavy heavy head shot... i wonder if he has a concussion and is not admitting it.
Cherry has earlier remarked that Crosby's back might be fucked.

based on what i've seen in the Bruins v. Canadiens Series i'd say Subban is one of the top 5 best power play defensemen.
he might even be the best.

Now on 5-on-5... PK Subban tries to do an end-to-end rush that eventually ends up in him taking a penalty.
we all know Subban is a big Starcraft fan .. so i have this for him...

Hey PK.. its not 1971... and you ain't Bobby Orr... so when its 5 on 5 and every defender is in position... play ur own position.

This post reminds me of the diatribe you can read on the alleged beauty of Barcelona's game in Football.
crazyweasel
Profile Joined March 2011
607 Posts
May 13 2014 18:36 GMT
#3726
this wednesday bruins will get eliminated
Flaccid
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
8866 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-13 19:39:32
May 13 2014 19:36 GMT
#3727
On May 14 2014 03:27 Otolia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2014 09:39 lamprey1 wrote:
nice chart. almost all goals are scored with the goal scoring team possessing the puck.

you need talent to have a puck possessing team.
don't reverse cause and effect.
talent is a necessary condition to have a puck possession team.

non skeptical morons believing these charts would say Cherry and the Team Finland coach were lousy coaches because they didn't make their teams a puck possession team.

example, 1978-9 Montreal Canadiens. talent first... puck possession philosophy next.
a more recent example was Finland v. Canada in the 2014 Olympics. Would Finland have loved to have been the dominant puck possession team in that game? of course they would. Canada has more talent .. so it don't matter what the coach's philosophy is.

Had Cherry coached the Bruins to "possess the puck" they would never ever come close to beating Montreal.
they'd lose 4-0. Cherry did a great coaching job. Back today's NHL, the principles remain the same though.

Had Finland tried to play Canada's game they would've lost 8-3...instead the took it to overtime and lost 2-1.

the very best teams always play a puck possession game because they have the talent to do so.
that has been going on since at least the Soviet Red Army and the 70s Montreal Canadiens. It probably goes on before that.


so far Carlyle has done a better job with the Leafs than Wilson. nice chart though.

onto the Coach's Corner Report.

Cherry showing us Daniel Bouchard's goal stick and how it would've prevented the Bruins first goal.

- very detailed look at one the Bruins set plays used to break out of their own endd and how it is failing tonight.

-Cherry raving about Johnathan Toews.

-No protection for Crosby.. and Ron agrees with grapes. Grapes thinks Crosby is taking way to many brutal shots.
Take that you Crosby haters.

-Cherry ranting about the instigator.

My comments.

Crosby took a heavy heavy head shot... i wonder if he has a concussion and is not admitting it.
Cherry has earlier remarked that Crosby's back might be fucked.

based on what i've seen in the Bruins v. Canadiens Series i'd say Subban is one of the top 5 best power play defensemen.
he might even be the best.

Now on 5-on-5... PK Subban tries to do an end-to-end rush that eventually ends up in him taking a penalty.
we all know Subban is a big Starcraft fan .. so i have this for him...

Hey PK.. its not 1971... and you ain't Bobby Orr... so when its 5 on 5 and every defender is in position... play ur own position.

This post reminds me of the diatribe you can read on the alleged beauty of Barcelona's game in Football.


And of course Jimmy rants about how the difference in the coaches' performances are due to differing talent on the teams - refusing to notice that the graph is for different coaches on the same teams. Lol, classic Jimmy. I think he doesn't like numbers because he simply doesn't understand them.

I don't think he realizes that one of those lines represents the leafs and the other represents the ducks. Same talent for either line, but a huge drop-off when Carlyle and his systems are added into the mix. But data is scary therefore it's wrong. It's also european and wears a visor just ask don cherry.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
sharkeyanti
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1273 Posts
May 13 2014 19:37 GMT
#3728
Considering how much I dislike every team in the East, and that CHI has won enough, MIN won't do it, and fuck the Ducks, I guess I'm cheering for Flyers West. Even though they play the dullest game in the league... oh well. Here's hoping anyone from the East does not win.
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L1ghtning
Profile Joined July 2013
Sweden353 Posts
May 13 2014 21:28 GMT
#3729
On May 13 2014 22:51 Masamune wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2014 16:42 Zvenn3n wrote:
Holy shit. I can't believe so many series are going to Game 7 this year. I was SURE there would be tons of curbstomps, but almost all of the series have been really close and entertaining so far. This is GREAT!

not if you can't watch the games like me

once again I'll be missing tonights NYR/PIT game and probably tomorrow's habs/bruins game

oh well I guess that's my shit luck.

A canadian who complains about not being able to watch NHL games. I hate you! ;(
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17206 Posts
May 13 2014 23:46 GMT
#3730
On May 14 2014 04:36 Flaccid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2014 03:27 Otolia wrote:
On May 13 2014 09:39 lamprey1 wrote:
nice chart. almost all goals are scored with the goal scoring team possessing the puck.

you need talent to have a puck possessing team.
don't reverse cause and effect.
talent is a necessary condition to have a puck possession team.

non skeptical morons believing these charts would say Cherry and the Team Finland coach were lousy coaches because they didn't make their teams a puck possession team.

example, 1978-9 Montreal Canadiens. talent first... puck possession philosophy next.
a more recent example was Finland v. Canada in the 2014 Olympics. Would Finland have loved to have been the dominant puck possession team in that game? of course they would. Canada has more talent .. so it don't matter what the coach's philosophy is.

Had Cherry coached the Bruins to "possess the puck" they would never ever come close to beating Montreal.
they'd lose 4-0. Cherry did a great coaching job. Back today's NHL, the principles remain the same though.

Had Finland tried to play Canada's game they would've lost 8-3...instead the took it to overtime and lost 2-1.

the very best teams always play a puck possession game because they have the talent to do so.
that has been going on since at least the Soviet Red Army and the 70s Montreal Canadiens. It probably goes on before that.


so far Carlyle has done a better job with the Leafs than Wilson. nice chart though.

onto the Coach's Corner Report.

Cherry showing us Daniel Bouchard's goal stick and how it would've prevented the Bruins first goal.

- very detailed look at one the Bruins set plays used to break out of their own endd and how it is failing tonight.

-Cherry raving about Johnathan Toews.

-No protection for Crosby.. and Ron agrees with grapes. Grapes thinks Crosby is taking way to many brutal shots.
Take that you Crosby haters.

-Cherry ranting about the instigator.

My comments.

Crosby took a heavy heavy head shot... i wonder if he has a concussion and is not admitting it.
Cherry has earlier remarked that Crosby's back might be fucked.

based on what i've seen in the Bruins v. Canadiens Series i'd say Subban is one of the top 5 best power play defensemen.
he might even be the best.

Now on 5-on-5... PK Subban tries to do an end-to-end rush that eventually ends up in him taking a penalty.
we all know Subban is a big Starcraft fan .. so i have this for him...

Hey PK.. its not 1971... and you ain't Bobby Orr... so when its 5 on 5 and every defender is in position... play ur own position.

This post reminds me of the diatribe you can read on the alleged beauty of Barcelona's game in Football.


And of course Jimmy rants about how the difference in the coaches' performances are due to differing talent on the teams - refusing to notice that the graph is for different coaches on the same teams. Lol, classic Jimmy. I think he doesn't like numbers because he simply doesn't understand them.

I don't think he realizes that one of those lines represents the leafs and the other represents the ducks. Same talent for either line, but a huge drop-off when Carlyle and his systems are added into the mix. But data is scary therefore it's wrong. It's also european and wears a visor just ask don cherry.


those are not my comments,
however, it was addressed directly... read it.

it says right in it. Carlyle > Wilson as leafs coach.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
KelianQatar
Profile Joined December 2012
303 Posts
May 13 2014 23:54 GMT
#3731
On May 14 2014 04:36 Flaccid wrote:
And of course Jimmy rants about how the difference in the coaches' performances are due to differing talent on the teams - refusing to notice that the graph is for different coaches on the same teams. Lol, classic Jimmy. I think he doesn't like numbers because he simply doesn't understand them.


When numbers have meaning he likes them just fine.

Raynor is a math genius.

His work with Stephen Tomlinson on the the Blue Jays abstract predicted Blue Jay wins within 5% for 10 straight years.

The guy is not against statistics.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17206 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-14 00:00:21
May 13 2014 23:58 GMT
#3732
an individual pitcher throwing to an individual hitter during a very discrete tightly defined "pitch" action makes baseball great for stats.
hockey on the other hand is greatly impacted by everyone on the ice and even the current score.

people trying to do "moneyball" with hockey stats are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

just enjoy watching the game itself. its more fun than crunching #s.

i'm really lookikng forward to tomorrow nights game 7 between the Canadiens and Bruins. This playoff year has been really entertaining.
and we have a cool game 7 match up where the entire Penguin regime is basically on trial.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
KelianQatar
Profile Joined December 2012
303 Posts
May 14 2014 00:00 GMT
#3733
On May 14 2014 08:58 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
an individual pitcher throwing to an individual hitter during a very discrete tightly defined "pitch" action makes baseball great for stats.
hockey on the other hand is greatly impacted by everyone on the ice and even the current score.

people trying to do "moneyball" with hockey stats are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

just enjoy watching the game itself. its more fun than crunching #s.


Ya! How do you factor in Subban throwing a tantrum over a lil water squirt??
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17206 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-14 00:02:25
May 14 2014 00:02 GMT
#3734
On May 14 2014 09:00 KelianQatar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2014 08:58 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
an individual pitcher throwing to an individual hitter during a very discrete tightly defined "pitch" action makes baseball great for stats.
hockey on the other hand is greatly impacted by everyone on the ice and even the current score.

people trying to do "moneyball" with hockey stats are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

just enjoy watching the game itself. its more fun than crunching #s.


Ya! How do you factor in Subban throwing a tantrum over a lil water squirt??


Thornton was on the bench and he interfered with play. If he does it again he gets suspended.
Thornton deserves the fine.
Myself, i'd have done the same thing. However, it appears it has not thrown Subban off his game. He played great in game 6... but again ... he still was running around too much. but he still played a really good game relative to how he usually plays.

therefore, it appears thornton's tactic did not work.
nice try though.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
KelianQatar
Profile Joined December 2012
303 Posts
May 14 2014 00:07 GMT
#3735
On May 14 2014 09:02 JimmyJRaynor wrote:

..... he still was running around too much. but he still played a really good game relative to how he usually plays.



Okay, so.. you say this a lot. What exactly do you mean? I'm not Canadian, so I'm not sure if this is a term we use down here in the states.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17206 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-14 01:41:31
May 14 2014 00:16 GMT
#3736
it has to do with using too many acceleration strides during a single shift so you are flailing about all over the ice in your own defensive zone.

obviously if u r rushing the puck up the ice you have to do a lot acceleration strides.

some defensemen know how to be in just right place with a minimum of effort. some past geniuses in this area were Chris Pronger and Chris Chelios.

playing with this style allows a defenseman to log 25+ minutes without much fatigue.

i do not watch enough NHL any more to see who the most efficient defensemen are. However, i'd say every Team Canada defensemen is more efficient than Subban.

as Subban gets older he may get better and learn to play more calmly and efficiently.

oddly enough, in the history of the NHL , no defenseman could slow a game down more quickly and effectively than Bobby Orr. He is famous for his end to end rushes, but that was possible only because he played so efficiently every other second he was on the ice. The guy is a hockey genius.

Current Playoffs
Nash is hitting everything that moves.
Lundqvist got caught deep in his net , but Talbot couldn't convert.
Paul Martin did his best to knock the puck away from Fleury and put it in his own net.

Fleury haters will point to the shots on goal and say he sucks... but the Penguins are giving up an odd man rush every 3 minutes. its QMJHL hockey at its best.

the WWE Royal Rumble isn't as good as the battle for the puck at 14:45

This game 7 is going to exact a cost on whatever team survives... the hitting is brutal.

Ok, where is that guy that said the Rangers are a terrible hockey team. LOL.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8159 Posts
May 14 2014 01:41 GMT
#3737
nash can't even hit an empty net
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32108 Posts
May 14 2014 02:32 GMT
#3738
TONIGT OWNED god that wa satisfying
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Orcasgt24
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3238 Posts
May 14 2014 02:34 GMT
#3739
Chicago and Minnesota. WHAT A GAME! This game goes from moments of air tight defense to stretches where defense is an after thought. Bryz and Crawford are putting on a show and this game is end to end fast!

Easily one of the better game I have seen this year and its still period two of a 1-1 game
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Flaccid
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
8866 Posts
May 14 2014 03:08 GMT
#3740
On May 14 2014 11:32 QuanticHawk wrote:
TONIGT OWNED god that wa satisfying


Yeah! Fleury shits the bed, Rags win + jimmy talking to himself for an entire page. Wicked night!
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