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Bylsma is fine imo. It's not his fault he gets half a roster - even if the half he's given is pretty good.
The problem with the Penguins is that they ice a comparatively worse team year-over-year. This while their window of opportunity is steadily shrinking. I suppose it depends on your expectations. If merely being competitive each year is fine, then so be it. But I think that if your roster contains the best player in hockey, then your expectations need to be multiple championships or else you aren't getting full value.
I can't decide whether Shero has a good job or a shitty one. On one hand, he took over a Penguins team that had Crosby/Malkin - that's a pretty sweet starting point. On the other hand, anything short of winning championships is going to define him as a failure. But fuck it, that's his job.
Now, given that Crosby and Malkin were on the team before Shero joined up, we can ask the question of what he has done to make the team better in his time? I'm not convinced he has done much. He makes trades for rentals that don't address any of the obvious weaknesses and people hail him as a genius because players are willing to waive no-trade clauses to play with Sidney Crosby. He's like the kid who thinks he's popular because people come to his parties when they only do so because his parents have a pool and an exceptionally stocked liquor cabinet. What has he done to address need? Crosby doesn't need another winger. The Penguins need a very good option for when Fleury flames out and a reliable bottom-6.
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On May 14 2014 23:13 Flaccid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2014 16:26 Orcasgt24 wrote:
I like how all the pundits are saying the penguins are going to get blown up lol. I'd say at most some fringe guys get moved/ leave in free agency and possibly a coaching change. Malkin, MAF, Letang and several others are not going anywhere. Man, something has to happen with Pittsburgh if they expect to compete in the playoffs. There is no (allegedly) top tier team that is as top heavy as the Penguins. And it seems that year-over-year they get whittled down further and lose ever more depth. This chart is particularly telling. It shows the share of scoring that a team's 3rd and 4th lines represent. ![[image loading]](http://www.mc79hockey.com/wp-content/uploads/Screen-Shot-2014-03-01-at-2.14.26-PM.png) Pretty telling, eh? Look at Chicago, LA and Boston and contrast that with Pittsburgh. People were looking at this chart months ago and coming to the conclusion that the Sharks were not as good as people thought and that they wouldn't get past LA. Anyways, point being that the elite teams in the NHL show very good possession stats. And Pittsburgh gets eaten alive when their bottom 6 forwards are on the ice. You can't give up that much and expect to compete at the top - which is what people expect of Pittsburgh. edit: + Show Spoiler [<3 Cujo] +
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gives a fuller picture of the suck that is the pens bottom six
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fo sho. I'm curious to know how much a coach and tactics or whatever affects this. I mean, I look at Chicago and don't see anything amazing in their bottom 6 forwards but holy hell does Joel Quenneville ever get a ton out of them. A good back-end full of guys who can get the puck out quickly certainly helps too. Maybe Carlyle would turn the Hawks into a 10th place corsi-bleeder.
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cool charts.
myself, i just watch the games.
Mario is intentionally leaking the "shero is in trouble" stories to hold his feet to the fire. Mario wants his employees scared.
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its starting soon. canadiens will swipe them dirty bruins. then we all known lundqvist cant play in bell center.
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On May 15 2014 04:50 Flaccid wrote:
fo sho. I'm curious to know how much a coach and tactics or whatever affects this. I mean, I look at Chicago and don't see anything amazing in their bottom 6 forwards but holy hell does Joel Quenneville ever get a ton out of them. A good back-end full of guys who can get the puck out quickly certainly helps too. Maybe Carlyle would turn the Hawks into a 10th place corsi-bleeder.
Skill and linemates is definitely part, but a dogshit system will have you hemmed in your own end all day. If the entire team plays a dumb system that pisses away possession, even the best players will struggle to have good numbers. Shit zone starts, bad corsi, etc.
I propose the left side of player usage charts be called the Carlyle Corner.
Chicago's skill players are really fucking good, and they get insane ozs (Kane is as high as fucking 70%!) at the expense of absolutely burying their bottom line (Bollig is the lowest at 18.2%). Third line players like Bickell, Saad, Shaw, etc all get very favorable match ups because of that. The defense is structured the same way. Oduya and Halmrsson soak up hard minutes, which allows the much more skilled dman (ie. Seabrook, Keith, etc) get much better match ups/ozs. Meanwhile, All those dmen are, as you mentioned, pretty good puck movers too. Carlyle does the complete opposite in Tor, burying Phaneuf with the hardest minutes and the shittest starts even though he's not a stud in his own end, completly ignoring his offensive strengths.
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On May 15 2014 06:54 QuanticHawk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2014 04:50 Flaccid wrote:
fo sho. I'm curious to know how much a coach and tactics or whatever affects this. I mean, I look at Chicago and don't see anything amazing in their bottom 6 forwards but holy hell does Joel Quenneville ever get a ton out of them. A good back-end full of guys who can get the puck out quickly certainly helps too. Maybe Carlyle would turn the Hawks into a 10th place corsi-bleeder. Skill and linemates is definitely part, but a dogshit system will have you hemmed in your own end all day. If the entire team plays a dumb system that pisses away possession, even the best players will struggle to have good numbers. Shit zone starts, bad corsi, etc.
It's like Randy Carlyle says: "If you ain't chippin' it off the glass and backing off to the red-line, you ain't tryin'".
Phaneuf is a good guy to mention, for sure, as he's getting buried in TO and now they're probably going to eat money and get nothing in order to move him. He's a good defenseman and will continue to succeed in the right role:
![[image loading]](http://www.mc79hockey.com/wp-content/uploads/Screen-Shot-2014-03-27-at-12.29.04-AM.png)
CarLOyLe is a genius at lowering player values.
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damn, CBC has outdone itself again with another great musical montage.
onto the stats drivel...
Carlyle did a better job than Wilson. Wilson superimposed a system on a team that did not have the talent to support it.
which is why Wilson never made the playoffs in 4 years and Carlyle took "the same team" to the 7th game overtime against a Stanley Cup finalist that lost after 6 games to the champs.
lousy coaches don't have a 39-30 playoff record.
the "sample size" is too large to dismiss.  sample size ROFLMAO.
unless of course Carlyle is a genius at getting stanley cup building GMs to hire an idiot. if he is.. then that is an impressive skill in and of itself. but , at this point we are at reductio ad absurdum.
onto the fun part.. the actual game.
nice goal
wow ... the Bell Centre is packed.
another in a litany of basic errors by Subban as he ices the puck during the powerplay when under no pressure coasting through the neutral zone.
when the refs put their whistles away things can get nasty.. and this is starting out to be an ugly nasty dirty chippy affair.
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On May 15 2014 02:39 sharkeyanti wrote:
PIT has two of the top 5 forwards in the NHL, a top-line winger, a great complimentary piece in Kunitz. They also have a young, cheap D-corps that is mobile and deep. Their weaknesses are certainly the bottom 6 and the goalie. You don't "blow up the roster," fire the GM, and fire the coach because you have "only" been one of the most successful franchises of the past decade. With the cap crunch of the past year, and the resultant Staal trade with that, PIT has been going through a transition. That's a pretty enviable transition, in that they were one of the league's best teams despite an absurd number of injuries, terrible bottom six, and a goalie who wants to botch every game.
The only rationale I can see in firing Bylsma is to shake things up, which definitely has an effect on teams. But the available coaches appear to be meh. As the cap goes up, they'll be able to fill out that bottom six.
Pittsburgh was good for two years. In every other year, they've been unable to win a playoff series against a team ranked higher than 7th.
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Was hilarious watching Chara argue that holding call. The MTL guy literally couldn't move an inch!
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i'm glad don cherry highlighted how dirty tonight's game is.
slew foots all over the place.
fake head snap to try to draw high stick calls.. etc etc.
Marchand gets called for a snow shower
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Snow in the face is BM?? LOL What a game!
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it wasn't a penalty when it happened to poor Bobby Lou
they are playing Rush's "subdivisions" on the organ in Boston .. LOLz.
On May 15 2014 09:09 KelianQatar wrote:
Snow in the face is BM?? LOL What a game!
pal, don't mix in esports terminology in with hockey, it makes you look like a nOOb.
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 We're on an esports site talking about Hockey...I think its perfectly acceptable!
Besides..I am a nOOb
Love them sticking Chara in front of the Habs goalie.... he's the designated filter!
And the 6'8" Filter worked!! WOO HOO
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And Chara standing in front of the net on power plays bares some fruit.
Boston finally got some luck around the net.
it seems like during the 1st period intermission betman called the referees and told them there was too much nasty crap going and its time to clamp down.
Oates and Hrudey raving over Price's puck handling.
i think Adam Oates has a hair transplant.
wasn't Boston in this exact same position last year?
Weaver on the ice to protect the lead late in the game.
its amazing how far an idiot coach like Therrien can go eh?
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Suck it Chara and Marchand. Despite being hugely skilled and talented, you're both fucking trash and I'm glad you're not moving on.
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On May 15 2014 10:49 Fumanchu wrote:
Suck it Chara and Marchand. Despite being hugely skilled and talented, you're both fucking trash and I'm glad you're not moving on.
Chara is a class act.
Price must have a pulse of about 25.
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Montreal gets home ice advantage vs New York for the finals.
Can anyone picture either of those teams beating Anaheim, LA or Chicago over a 7 game series? I can't simply because both those teams rely to much on there goalies while top players are kinda invisible. Out west all three of these teams top players are controlling the outcome of games
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