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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16979 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-15 20:17:10
May 15 2014 15:26 GMT
#3801
Latvia has defeated both Finland and USA at this year's world championships. Malkin will be playing in the tourney shortly.

For all those sad Boston fans i have a fond memory of one of the greatest goals in Bruins franchise history



Subban is elated in winning game 7.



Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
May 15 2014 23:22 GMT
#3802
On May 16 2014 00:14 Flaccid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2014 14:06 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Poor Iggy...


Looool Iggy is the new Marian Hossa. He'll win with the next team he lands on (provided it is Chicago or LA or ...)

I hope your right. He deserves to win another one (and not have the NHL take it from him this time)
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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
May 16 2014 01:34 GMT
#3803
On May 15 2014 10:58 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Montreal gets home ice advantage vs New York for the finals.

Can anyone picture either of those teams beating Anaheim, LA or Chicago over a 7 game series? I can't simply because both those teams rely to much on there goalies while top players are kinda invisible. Out west all three of these teams top players are controlling the outcome of games


I can't.

I like that Montreal beat Boston. Montreal stands no chance against any of the western playoff teams.
sharkeyanti
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1273 Posts
May 16 2014 02:51 GMT
#3804
But if the Habs do win, I don't think anyone outside of the province of Quebec felt that way. They are a resilient bunch with some good skill on all lines. Defense outside of Subban and Markov ain't great. Price can steal games. I guess I could cheer for them? ehhhhhhhhhh
Hi Mom
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
May 16 2014 03:19 GMT
#3805
On May 16 2014 11:51 sharkeyanti wrote:
But if the Habs do win, I don't think anyone outside of the province of Quebec felt that way. They are a resilient bunch with some good skill on all lines. Defense outside of Subban and Markov ain't great. Price can steal games. I guess I could cheer for them? ehhhhhhhhhh


The Westerns big clubs (LA/ANA) are much more disciplined than the Bruins. You dont see Kopitar or Getzlaf take stupid holding penalties.

As far as Chicago goes, I dont think Montreal stands up to CHI in any facet of the game. The Hawks are bigger, stronger, faster, have more experience, a better defence, a better offence, more potential game breaking players... All Montreal has is the goaltending match-up there.

They could prove me wrong, but I just dont see them beating the west.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16979 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-16 15:44:18
May 16 2014 15:25 GMT
#3806
I think the score of the greatest hockey games ever played is 6-5.
I hope we get some higher scoring games in the final 2 rounds of the playoffs.
Latvia beat USA 6-5 at the World Championships, i just watched it, and it was wild.

RAY SHERO IS GONE... I FUCKING CALLED IT.
and Dan Bylsma is still the coach.

press conference is on now on Sportsnet.ca
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/ray-shero-fired-by-penguins-1.2645126

Ray Shero's dad.. is my favourite coach of all time.



"if we lose it'll be worse than dying", what a quote!
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
May 16 2014 16:08 GMT
#3807
For those who missed it, Sharks GM Doug Wilson held a conference call yesterday in which he very strongly signaled that he's going to trade Thornton, and maybe Marleau. Apparently there are some windows in their NMCs that will let him do it.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32087 Posts
May 16 2014 17:44 GMT
#3808
On May 17 2014 01:08 xDaunt wrote:
For those who missed it, Sharks GM Doug Wilson held a conference call yesterday in which he very strongly signaled that he's going to trade Thornton, and maybe Marleau. Apparently there are some windows in their NMCs that will let him do it.

I would imagine both could get a nice return of younger prospects.

Odd that the Penguins canned Shero, but left Bylsma and stated he may or may not stay depending on what the new gm says. What coach is gonna wanna come there if you let him flap in the wind like that?
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16979 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-16 18:07:20
May 16 2014 17:50 GMT
#3809
On May 17 2014 02:44 QuanticHawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2014 01:08 xDaunt wrote:
For those who missed it, Sharks GM Doug Wilson held a conference call yesterday in which he very strongly signaled that he's going to trade Thornton, and maybe Marleau. Apparently there are some windows in their NMCs that will let him do it.

I would imagine both could get a nice return of younger prospects.

Odd that the Penguins canned Shero, but left Bylsma and stated he may or may not stay depending on what the new gm says. What coach is gonna wanna come there if you let him flap in the wind like that?


Bylsma is free to quit any time he wants.

as far as Penguins management goes.
there is a question in their minds as to whether there are any top notch coaches available for hire.
it was also, a factor in why Carlyle was extended.

so this dearth of top notch coaches looking for work is a factor in why BOTH Carlyle and Bylsma have jobs.

but , that is not what an uninformed internet mob wants to hear. they just want blood.

i wonder how many employees answer to the people in this thread who want to insta-fire everyone. My guess is its a nice even very round number. it makes for a great stat.

you see when u fire someone you must be reasonably sure you have a better replacement. its easy for any armchair Prez or GM to fire any one any time. its another matter if you fire someone and then replace him with someone worse.

next thing you know... its your job on the line.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32087 Posts
May 16 2014 18:19 GMT
#3810
Also, didn't see it mentioned, but Zennon Konpoka got suspended for 20 games for using banned supplements, and Charlie Coyle of the wild had 7 points in 13 games while playing with both shoulders seperated. Jesus.
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Flaccid
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
8850 Posts
May 16 2014 18:30 GMT
#3811
On May 17 2014 03:19 QuanticHawk wrote:
Charlie Coyle of the wild had 7 points in 13 games while playing with both shoulders seperated. Jesus.


How many is that in...
'cups'
...
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
Flaccid
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
8850 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-16 18:58:35
May 16 2014 18:48 GMT
#3812
Speaking of awesome coaches, there are boring rumours about a problem between Carlyle and Gardiner - Carlyle wants Gardiner to simplify (more dump-ins, etc.) whereas Gardiner wants be a hockey player.

This chart is fucking hilarious:

[image loading]

After a neutral-zone win, the Leafs dump the puck in (often just handing over possession) 65% of the time when Gardiner isn't on the ice. No wonder they can't generate any offense. That's a ridiculous strategy. Either way, the Leafs are more successful with Gardiner on the ice but that doesn't matter because Carlyle-dump-and-chase-rinse-repeat-lose-at-hockey is more important.

The Leafs push the play at 66% after a neutral-zone win with Gardiner on the ice and get pushed back at 40% after a neutral-zone win when he's not. Clearly his penchant for carrying the puck and thwarting the Carlyle system is ruining the Leafs.

[image loading]

All fancycharts stolen from http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=7049

If there is a problem with Gardiner and the Leafs, then he'll be one of those undervalued players that shakes loose and typically falls to a good team. He'll be a great Shark.

edit:

For fun, guess where Gardiner is:

[image loading]

Man did Phaneuf/Gunnarsson ever get thrown to the wolves =P
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32087 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-16 19:13:01
May 16 2014 19:05 GMT
#3813
It just so happens that the Sharks are rumored to be moving Thornton/Marleau, and the Leafs have two skilled players they hate in Gardiner and Kadri!

Both of those guys are gonna be really good-to-great players when they're actually in a system that allows them to utilize their best assets instead of forcing them to play like fourth liners. Those charts are hilarious. It's also funny seeing that how much that stupid system drags them down vs the league average.

e: it is funny hearing fans/media complain about Phaneuf not putting up points like he used to, and then seeing that chart. Of fucking course he isn't going to when he is playing on a team that does not play good possession hockey to begin with, and gives him the hardest minutes by far on the team.

He could very easily be a 40-50point dman if they played to his strengths and didn't try treating him like a shutdown dman. He and Gunnarson have the worst zone start % in the league, and they're not far off for facing the hardest competition either. If anything, him still breaking 30 points in that shit situation is admirable. On that note, Mark Giordano is a giant blue circle while having a rough zone start himself, and the highest qualcomp. Damn son.

Speaking of anti-possession systems, I wonder if the Habs continue to play positive possession hockey and keep Murray stapled to the bench, or if they go back to their regular season dump and chase shit vs the Rangers. The Rangers blueline is a lot more mobile than the B's, esp with Chara being older and injured (he apparently had an open finger fracture during the series, and a bum knee). They look so much better when their little turd forwards utilize their speed and skill to carry the line instead of having to chase down pucks. Either way, I think there's gonna be a lot of 2-1 games in this series due to the goalies. Hank and Price are both on fire lately, and they both generally get a lot of support from their team defense.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16979 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-16 19:39:44
May 16 2014 19:29 GMT
#3814
On May 17 2014 04:05 QuanticHawk wrote:
It just so happens that the Sharks are rumored to be moving Thornton/Marleau, and the Leafs have two skilled players they hate in Gardiner and Kadri!

Both of those guys are gonna be really good-to-great players when they're actually in a system that allows them to utilize their best assets instead of forcing them to play like fourth liners.


math time!

"good to great" is ill-defined. but, if you think Kadri is going to be a "great" player you are incorrect. the only thing standing in the way of his greatness is a bad coach ROFLMAO. thanks for the laugh guy.

i'll provide a much more precise assessement and forecast of Kadri's play now and in the future.

if u look at all the #7 picks in the history of the NHL Kadri will be in the median area of that pack of guys.

Kadri is an Oscar winning actor though, for the endorsement he gave of Carlyle.

There will be no improvement in Kadri's play. What you see is what you get.

Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
BigAsia
Profile Joined November 2012
Canada451 Posts
May 16 2014 19:39 GMT
#3815
Weird stuff happening in Pittsburgh. Fired GM Ray Shero and TSN reported Bylsma was fired but apparently he is just under evaluation. I don't know they can make an argument to keep him.
YOLO
Flaccid
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
8850 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-16 19:49:28
May 16 2014 19:43 GMT
#3816
On May 17 2014 04:05 QuanticHawk wrote:
On that note, Mark Giordano is a giant blue circle while having a rough zone start himself, and the highest qualcomp.


Giordano is a beast. Every time I watch the shitty Oilers play Calgary it's like "oh yeah, that's what an NHL defenseman looks like." They have him for a few more years on a wonderful $4M contract too. They should consider trading him to Toronto for the last few months of that contract so that Carlyle can lower his value enough to have Calgary re-sign him at decent money in the off-season.

On May 17 2014 04:39 BigAsia wrote:
I don't know they can make an argument to keep him.


The argument is that the coach is fine but the roster is the problem - that's the GM's job, naturally. May as well keep him around and let the new GM make that call - a win-win for ownership (in the way of future blame shifting).

edit: Speaking of Toronto/Edmonton, a Kadri/Gardiner for Gagner/Ference/good D prospect trade would be awesome. Ference is the type of marginal NHLer who talks about things like 'toughness' and 'grit' and other things he doesn't do well that would have him universally loved by Carlyle and the Leafs. Plus Kadri had the best corsirel on the Leafs this year so that pretty much means he's on the way out.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16979 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-16 20:01:28
May 16 2014 19:59 GMT
#3817
On May 17 2014 04:39 BigAsia wrote:
Weird stuff happening in Pittsburgh. Fired GM Ray Shero and TSN reported Bylsma was fired but apparently he is just under evaluation. I don't know they can make an argument to keep him.


this out of Pittsburgh: "Bylsma is more of an asset than a coach at this point".
some are speculating a Babcock for Bylsma trade.

IMO,
the probability of Bylsma actually being behind the bench next year is approximately 0.

but, hey what do i know?
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32087 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-16 20:04:53
May 16 2014 20:01 GMT
#3818
The weird thing is that the way they worded it, it sounds like the new gm could can him before the start of the offseason. Which, if true, is kind of shitty to him as far as finding a new job, and dumb on their part since it means there will be less candidates out there, and they'll be implementing a new coaching staff and system close to the start of the season. If you're gonna go with him, go with him for a year, even if a lame duck coach is kind of silly too. I definitely think it is mostly on Shero for failing to build a more balanced roster, but Bylsma definitely has blame. I do think the ideal move would have been to just clean house, and implement an interim coach if need be for a year on a trial basis.

The media thought is that the Pens and other teams are hoping Babcock wants out in Detroit, but that's kind of silly. He works well with management there, even if they didn't do so hot this season, and it is already a big market. I don't see why Babcock would want to go to Pitt or anywhere else over there. I do not want it to happen to anyone in the east, but Trotz should have been hired A-fucking-SAP. Capuano should have been shitcanned as soon as Trotz became available, but Wang likes his yes-man.

Giordano has really evolved into a stud. I wonder if Calgary can get competitive soon enough to make use of him while he is in his peak.

Also yes, Ference for Kadri seems like the kind of trade the Leafs would make. They could pair him with the his tough stay at home clone, Tim Gleason, who also got exposed as a dogshit plugger last year as well.
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Flaccid
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
8850 Posts
May 16 2014 20:08 GMT
#3819
If they don't buy out Kadri/Gardiner first! lol
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16979 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-16 20:16:11
May 16 2014 20:14 GMT
#3820
i see the smartest hockey player in the world got the 3rd star in the bruins loss to the canadiens.
its great watching other people take a paragraph to say what i do in 6 words.
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