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On July 28 2016 02:12 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 02:10 Doodsmack wrote:On July 28 2016 02:04 LegalLord wrote:
It's not the Russians' fault that the emails contain what they do. Spinning this as if it were is in fact blaming the Russians.
You're conflating blaming the Russians for the hack and blaming them for the content of the emails. Out of curiosity, which do you think is more important for this election: the content of the e-mails or the fact that they could have been uncovered via Trump condoning Russian espionage? I honestly don't think as many people care about how they were uncovered, if the content paints Hillary in a negative light.
yeah and the reason for this is because her untrustworthy rating is at 68 percent! People are curious as to how she operates behind the scenes, because no one trusts anything she says in public
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On July 28 2016 02:21 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 02:15 travis wrote:
honestly, who gives a shit that russia was behind the hack? (if they were)
like, why does it matter..? Trump is very pro-Putin. His son stated a couple years ago that Russian investors were a big part of the Trump business. Trump has said he will not automatically defend Baltic states if Russia attacked per the NATO agreement. Trump stated he would end sanctions and declare Crimea part of Russia, something that NATO opposes. Trump also called on Russia or whoever to release Clintons emails if they have them. That is like putting a call out fo all other countries "Yo, if you got any dirt on Hillary, could you send that out so I win the election?"
If Clinton is guilty of a Federal crime the American people have a right to know.
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On July 28 2016 02:19 xDaunt wrote:
Saying that Russia should release the emails if it has them is no where close to encouraging espionage. Saying that he "hopes that Russia finds the missing emails" comes closer if you look at the statement in a vacuum with no context, but obviously Russia can't hack what's no longer there.
Let's just cut through the crap and identify what Trump has done: he has gloriously trolled Hillary and the democrats and hijacked the Democrat National Convention. He's running circles around the democrats and they're too stupid to understand why or how he's doing it, hence the faux outrage over these latest statements -- all of which just plays right into Trump's hand.
I don't get why this is supposed to be "glorious trolling". He's just pulled politics down to the level of a reality TV shitshow. That's not because he's smarter than anybody else, it's simply because he knows no bounds(ironically) and behaves as obscenely as he possibly can.
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On July 28 2016 02:22 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 02:21 Plansix wrote:On July 28 2016 02:15 travis wrote:
honestly, who gives a shit that russia was behind the hack? (if they were)
like, why does it matter..? Trump is very pro-Putin. His son stated a couple years ago that Russian investors were a big part of the Trump business. Trump has said he will not automatically defend Baltic states if Russia attacked per the NATO agreement. Trump stated he would end sanctions and declare Crimea part of Russia, something that NATO opposes. Trump also called on Russia or whoever to release Clintons emails if they have them. That is like putting a call out fo all other countries "Yo, if you got any dirt on Hillary, could you send that out so I win the election?" If Clinton is guilty of a Federal crime the American people have a right to know.
Such a lazy, populist sentiment.
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On July 28 2016 02:16 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 02:09 Plansix wrote:On July 28 2016 02:07 zeo wrote:On July 28 2016 02:04 Doodsmack wrote:On July 28 2016 02:02 zeo wrote:On July 28 2016 01:51 CobaltBlu wrote:
But the content of the emails aren't that interesting. The DNC certainly misbehaved but nothing really extraordinary in there. Russian government directly attempting to interfere in an American election is big news though. zeo going full press on the emails isn't convincing me otherwise either lol
Hasn't Trump's campaign been caught attempting to tap foreign politicians for funds? The emails are interesting. Debbie Wasserman Schultz worked on Hillary's campaign in 2008 and the emails show she clearly worked to rig the system in Clinton's favor. Why is this important? Because if you want to plant the next chairman of the Democratic National Committee you need the referral and support of the last chairman, and you do this by offering favors/bribes/positions. And who was the chairman before DWS (disregarding the interim period before the next chair)? Thats right, Tim Kaine So Russian involvement is a conspiracy theory but this post isn't? There is clear evidence that Debbie Wasserman Schultz rigged the Democrat primaries, there is no evidence of Russia's involvement other than unnamed 'experts' and Democrat politicians. Tim Kaine is only getting what was obviously promised to him in exchange for letting Hillary rig the primaries. There is no evidence of election fraud in those emails. lol, you must have a very different definition of fraud than the rest of the World. And I'm sure its just the right definition to make Hillary and DWS seem like victims. - There is evidence of a plot designed to smear Bernie Sanders and to hand the Democratic nomination to Hillary
- There is evidence of repeated collusion and shady dealings between the DNC and the media
- There is evidence of questionable fund-raising for both Hillary Clinton and the DNC
And thats just the first batch. Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 02:15 travis wrote:
honestly, who gives a shit that russia was behind the hack? (if they were)
like, why does it matter..? It doesn't, they are desperate to slide and bury the emails.
On the other hand, we have Trume literally linking Cruz' father to Kennedy assassination FFS. It's not pot call kettle black, it's pot call greyhound black.
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On July 28 2016 02:22 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 02:21 Plansix wrote:On July 28 2016 02:15 travis wrote:
honestly, who gives a shit that russia was behind the hack? (if they were)
like, why does it matter..? Trump is very pro-Putin. His son stated a couple years ago that Russian investors were a big part of the Trump business. Trump has said he will not automatically defend Baltic states if Russia attacked per the NATO agreement. Trump stated he would end sanctions and declare Crimea part of Russia, something that NATO opposes. Trump also called on Russia or whoever to release Clintons emails if they have them. That is like putting a call out fo all other countries "Yo, if you got any dirt on Hillary, could you send that out so I win the election?" If Clinton is guilty of a Federal crime the American people have a right to know.
Glad to see you admit she isn't a criminal.
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On July 28 2016 02:21 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 02:12 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 28 2016 02:10 Doodsmack wrote:On July 28 2016 02:04 LegalLord wrote:
It's not the Russians' fault that the emails contain what they do. Spinning this as if it were is in fact blaming the Russians.
You're conflating blaming the Russians for the hack and blaming them for the content of the emails. Out of curiosity, which do you think is more important for this election: the content of the e-mails or the fact that they could have been uncovered via Trump condoning Russian espionage? I honestly don't think as many people care about how they were uncovered, if the content paints Hillary in a negative light. yeah and the reason for this is because her untrustworthy rating is at 68 percent! People are curious as to how she operates behind the scenes, because no one trusts anything she says in public
Well they both have high untrustworthy/ unfavorability ratings, and I think we'd all love to see Trump release his tax returns, considering how frequently he lies.
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On July 28 2016 02:23 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 02:19 xDaunt wrote:
Saying that Russia should release the emails if it has them is no where close to encouraging espionage. Saying that he "hopes that Russia finds the missing emails" comes closer if you look at the statement in a vacuum with no context, but obviously Russia can't hack what's no longer there.
Let's just cut through the crap and identify what Trump has done: he has gloriously trolled Hillary and the democrats and hijacked the Democrat National Convention. He's running circles around the democrats and they're too stupid to understand why or how he's doing it, hence the faux outrage over these latest statements -- all of which just plays right into Trump's hand. I don't get why this is supposed to be "glorious trolling". He's just pulled politics down to the level of a reality TV shitshow. That's not because he's smarter as anybody else, it's simply because he knows no borders (ironically) and behaves as obscenely as he possibly can.
You are badly underestimating Trump if you don't think that this press conference or his comments were calculated.
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On July 28 2016 02:17 silynxer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 02:15 LegalLord wrote:On July 28 2016 02:10 Doodsmack wrote:On July 28 2016 02:04 LegalLord wrote:
It's not the Russians' fault that the emails contain what they do. Spinning this as if it were is in fact blaming the Russians.
You're conflating blaming the Russians for the hack and blaming them for the content of the emails. On July 28 2016 02:04 LegalLord wrote:
My opinion of Obama is that he is not an FP president and he chose a pretty terrible advisor in Hillary Clinton. That is what it would be regardless of the Ukraine situation. Beside the point of whether you'd criticize him for being weak on Crimea. Blaming the Russians for the hack is an attempt to sidestep the issue of the contents of the hack. Foreign governments hacking your servers is neither unusual nor suspicious because everyone does it to everyone. Leaking the contents, a bit less so, but also not something all that out of the ordinary. Still no conclusive proof that it is Russia either. I gave you my thoughts on Obama's FP. That is hardly beside the point. I don't really think in terms of "weak or strong" but more in "foolish or well-planned" action. Can you name other relevant examples? Preferably done to the US by another Government.
Relevant examples of hacking servers? I'm afraid that kind of hack is rarely successful and even more rarely reported. The most unusual thing about (if Russia actually did it) this hack is that it was leaked.
General political espionage? At least a few cases of that. Honestly it's one of those things that most people know happen and you have to be sort of naive to think it doesn't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_intelligence_operations_in_the_United_States
http://www.france24.com/en/20131024-nsa-france-spying-squarcini-dcri-hollande-ayrault-merkel-usa-obama
The US influencing other governments would be easy. It has much more a powerful intelligence apparatus than most and it uses it often.
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Zeo's posting frequency goes way up when people start talking about Russia, it's really quite funny. Don't blow your cover, dude!
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On July 28 2016 02:19 xDaunt wrote:
Saying that Russia should release the emails if it has them is no where close to encouraging espionage. Saying that he "hopes that Russia finds the missing emails" comes closer if you look at the statement in a vacuum with no context, but obviously Russia can't hack what's no longer there.
Let's just cut through the crap and identify what Trump has done: he has gloriously trolled Hillary and the democrats and hijacked the Democrat National Convention. He's running circles around the democrats and they're too stupid to understand why or how he's doing it, hence the faux outrage over these latest statements -- all of which just plays right into Trump's hand.
"Russia, please release the product of your espionage to damage my political opponent."
xDaunt: not an issue.
And your default disbelief of what the media pays attention to regarding Trump is very unfortunate. Without being able to tie your opinions to the media (an easy target) I doubt you would support Trump.
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On July 28 2016 02:24 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 02:23 Nyxisto wrote:On July 28 2016 02:19 xDaunt wrote:
Saying that Russia should release the emails if it has them is no where close to encouraging espionage. Saying that he "hopes that Russia finds the missing emails" comes closer if you look at the statement in a vacuum with no context, but obviously Russia can't hack what's no longer there.
Let's just cut through the crap and identify what Trump has done: he has gloriously trolled Hillary and the democrats and hijacked the Democrat National Convention. He's running circles around the democrats and they're too stupid to understand why or how he's doing it, hence the faux outrage over these latest statements -- all of which just plays right into Trump's hand. I don't get why this is supposed to be "glorious trolling". He's just pulled politics down to the level of a reality TV shitshow. That's not because he's smarter as anybody else, it's simply because he knows no borders (ironically) and behaves as obscenely as he possibly can. You are badly underestimating Trump if you don't think that this press conference or his comments were calculated.
You routinely overestimate and rationalize Trump's narcissistic actions.
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On July 28 2016 02:24 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 02:17 silynxer wrote:On July 28 2016 02:15 LegalLord wrote:On July 28 2016 02:10 Doodsmack wrote:On July 28 2016 02:04 LegalLord wrote:
It's not the Russians' fault that the emails contain what they do. Spinning this as if it were is in fact blaming the Russians.
You're conflating blaming the Russians for the hack and blaming them for the content of the emails. On July 28 2016 02:04 LegalLord wrote:
My opinion of Obama is that he is not an FP president and he chose a pretty terrible advisor in Hillary Clinton. That is what it would be regardless of the Ukraine situation. Beside the point of whether you'd criticize him for being weak on Crimea. Blaming the Russians for the hack is an attempt to sidestep the issue of the contents of the hack. Foreign governments hacking your servers is neither unusual nor suspicious because everyone does it to everyone. Leaking the contents, a bit less so, but also not something all that out of the ordinary. Still no conclusive proof that it is Russia either. I gave you my thoughts on Obama's FP. That is hardly beside the point. I don't really think in terms of "weak or strong" but more in "foolish or well-planned" action. Can you name other relevant examples? Preferably done to the US by another Government. Relevant examples of hacking servers? I'm afraid that kind of hack is rarely successful and even more rarely reported. The most unusual thing about (if Russia actually did it) this hack is that it was leaked. General political espionage? At least a few cases of that. Honestly it's one of those things that most people know happen and you have to be sort of naive to think it doesn't. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_intelligence_operations_in_the_United_Stateshttp://www.france24.com/en/20131024-nsa-france-spying-squarcini-dcri-hollande-ayrault-merkel-usa-obama
Relevant means releasing information obtained by espionage to influence an election.
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On July 28 2016 02:24 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 02:23 Nyxisto wrote:On July 28 2016 02:19 xDaunt wrote:
Saying that Russia should release the emails if it has them is no where close to encouraging espionage. Saying that he "hopes that Russia finds the missing emails" comes closer if you look at the statement in a vacuum with no context, but obviously Russia can't hack what's no longer there.
Let's just cut through the crap and identify what Trump has done: he has gloriously trolled Hillary and the democrats and hijacked the Democrat National Convention. He's running circles around the democrats and they're too stupid to understand why or how he's doing it, hence the faux outrage over these latest statements -- all of which just plays right into Trump's hand. I don't get why this is supposed to be "glorious trolling". He's just pulled politics down to the level of a reality TV shitshow. That's not because he's smarter as anybody else, it's simply because he knows no borders (ironically) and behaves as obscenely as he possibly can. You are badly underestimating Trump if you don't think that this press conference or his comments were calculated.
This is basically how Trump intervened in Ted Cruz's speech, made a random press conference to put the spotlight back on himself and away from the DNC. Although the headlines on these major news networks are pretty entertaining.
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On July 28 2016 02:23 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 02:16 zeo wrote:On July 28 2016 02:09 Plansix wrote:On July 28 2016 02:07 zeo wrote:On July 28 2016 02:04 Doodsmack wrote:On July 28 2016 02:02 zeo wrote:On July 28 2016 01:51 CobaltBlu wrote:
But the content of the emails aren't that interesting. The DNC certainly misbehaved but nothing really extraordinary in there. Russian government directly attempting to interfere in an American election is big news though. zeo going full press on the emails isn't convincing me otherwise either lol
Hasn't Trump's campaign been caught attempting to tap foreign politicians for funds? The emails are interesting. Debbie Wasserman Schultz worked on Hillary's campaign in 2008 and the emails show she clearly worked to rig the system in Clinton's favor. Why is this important? Because if you want to plant the next chairman of the Democratic National Committee you need the referral and support of the last chairman, and you do this by offering favors/bribes/positions. And who was the chairman before DWS (disregarding the interim period before the next chair)? Thats right, Tim Kaine So Russian involvement is a conspiracy theory but this post isn't? There is clear evidence that Debbie Wasserman Schultz rigged the Democrat primaries, there is no evidence of Russia's involvement other than unnamed 'experts' and Democrat politicians. Tim Kaine is only getting what was obviously promised to him in exchange for letting Hillary rig the primaries. There is no evidence of election fraud in those emails. lol, you must have a very different definition of fraud than the rest of the World. And I'm sure its just the right definition to make Hillary and DWS seem like victims. - There is evidence of a plot designed to smear Bernie Sanders and to hand the Democratic nomination to Hillary
- There is evidence of repeated collusion and shady dealings between the DNC and the media
- There is evidence of questionable fund-raising for both Hillary Clinton and the DNC
And thats just the first batch. On July 28 2016 02:15 travis wrote:
honestly, who gives a shit that russia was behind the hack? (if they were)
like, why does it matter..? It doesn't, they are desperate to slide and bury the emails. On the other hand, we have Trume literally linking Cruz' father to Kennedy assassination FFS. It's not pot call kettle black, it's pot call greyhound black.
Funny you should say that, from the DNC leak...
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On July 28 2016 02:24 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 02:19 xDaunt wrote:
Saying that Russia should release the emails if it has them is no where close to encouraging espionage. Saying that he "hopes that Russia finds the missing emails" comes closer if you look at the statement in a vacuum with no context, but obviously Russia can't hack what's no longer there.
Let's just cut through the crap and identify what Trump has done: he has gloriously trolled Hillary and the democrats and hijacked the Democrat National Convention. He's running circles around the democrats and they're too stupid to understand why or how he's doing it, hence the faux outrage over these latest statements -- all of which just plays right into Trump's hand. "Russia, please release the product of your espionage to damage my political opponent." xDaunt: not an issue. And your default disbelief of what the media pays attention to regarding Trump is very unfortunate. Without being able to tie your opinions to the media (an easy target) I doubt you would support Trump.
So in your opinion is it ok for Russia to have hacked the DNC as long as the American people don't know about it?
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On July 28 2016 02:24 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 02:23 Nyxisto wrote:On July 28 2016 02:19 xDaunt wrote:
Saying that Russia should release the emails if it has them is no where close to encouraging espionage. Saying that he "hopes that Russia finds the missing emails" comes closer if you look at the statement in a vacuum with no context, but obviously Russia can't hack what's no longer there.
Let's just cut through the crap and identify what Trump has done: he has gloriously trolled Hillary and the democrats and hijacked the Democrat National Convention. He's running circles around the democrats and they're too stupid to understand why or how he's doing it, hence the faux outrage over these latest statements -- all of which just plays right into Trump's hand. I don't get why this is supposed to be "glorious trolling". He's just pulled politics down to the level of a reality TV shitshow. That's not because he's smarter as anybody else, it's simply because he knows no borders (ironically) and behaves as obscenely as he possibly can. You are badly underestimating Trump if you don't think that this press conference or his comments were calculated.
You badly make broad proclamations about the impact of events.
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On July 28 2016 02:17 silynxer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2016 02:15 LegalLord wrote:On July 28 2016 02:10 Doodsmack wrote:On July 28 2016 02:04 LegalLord wrote:
It's not the Russians' fault that the emails contain what they do. Spinning this as if it were is in fact blaming the Russians.
You're conflating blaming the Russians for the hack and blaming them for the content of the emails. On July 28 2016 02:04 LegalLord wrote:
My opinion of Obama is that he is not an FP president and he chose a pretty terrible advisor in Hillary Clinton. That is what it would be regardless of the Ukraine situation. Beside the point of whether you'd criticize him for being weak on Crimea. Blaming the Russians for the hack is an attempt to sidestep the issue of the contents of the hack. Foreign governments hacking your servers is neither unusual nor suspicious because everyone does it to everyone. Leaking the contents, a bit less so, but also not something all that out of the ordinary. Still no conclusive proof that it is Russia either. I gave you my thoughts on Obama's FP. That is hardly beside the point. I don't really think in terms of "weak or strong" but more in "foolish or well-planned" action. Can you name other relevant examples? Preferably done to the US by another Government.
There was an (probably) Iranian-govt based attack on US banks, prompted by a US cyber attack on Iranian nuclear projects. A lot of it (as well as the relevant discussion about how widespread and dangerous this can be) is covered in a documentary called Zero Day if you're interested.
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On July 28 2016 02:24 farvacola wrote:
Zeo's posting frequency goes way up when people start talking about Russia, it's really quite funny. Don't blow your cover, dude!
Its cute how you follow me around, do you have a little wall in your bedroom with my posts?
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