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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
July 26 2016 23:37 GMT
#89901
Pretty far fetched to say they represent 10s of thousands. Most of the people they represent probably want them to not be babies. I voted for Bernie and my state (Mi) went to him so there is some bernie delegate there who represents me and if they are apart of this I have some choice words for them.
Never Knows Best.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 26 2016 23:39 GMT
#89902
On July 27 2016 08:36 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 08:09 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 27 2016 07:54 Doodsmack wrote:
On July 27 2016 07:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 27 2016 04:45 Plansix wrote:
On July 27 2016 04:43 VayneAuthority wrote:
On July 27 2016 04:40 Plansix wrote:
On July 27 2016 04:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
On July 27 2016 04:37 Plansix wrote:
On July 27 2016 04:34 VayneAuthority wrote:
[quote]

wew lad trying to rewrite extremely easy to look up clear cut things, interesting

racism
ˈreɪsɪz(ə)m/Submit
noun
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

There is no picking and choosing, it is all negative/positive bias aka my definition, not your made up one.

The meaning of words is not set in stone and citing a dictionary isn’t going to win this argument. The discussion of privilege within a demographic and region is completely valid and real. Privilege is regional and based on the dominate demographic in that culture. White privilege does not exist in Japan. But is very real in the US.


ok so your position is words dont mean anything. guess ill just use the N word whenever I feel like it, its meaning isnt set in stone right?

Ok, so you do realize that the word you just cited has different meanings based on who uses it and who they are saying it to, right?


No it doesn't. No one uses the hard R word in any context except one.

Yeah it does, sorry. The N-bomb means different things depending on who says it to whom. White as the driven snow guys like me don’t get to use it.


I've never found a compelling rational argument for this phenomenon whenever people try to explain it to me it just seems driven purely by emotions.

Either a word is offensive and shouldn't be used, or it isn't.

The very idea that certain skin colors should be able to say or do certain things that others can't is inherently racist


We're now arguing it's racist to say white people shouldn't use the N bomb?


I'm saying if a word is culturally decided to be a racial slur that ought not be used, then no one should use it.

It's irrational to advocate the position 'oh this is a racial slur but it's only bad if white people say it. it's okay for black people to say it'


It's just a single word being used with multiple meanings. Black people don't use it to insult.


So you're saying black people are capable of using the word in a non-insulting manner

and that white people are incapable of doing this, based purely on the fact that they are white and not black?
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 26 2016 23:40 GMT
#89903
Today looks like it's going to be Identity Politics Day in the DNC.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22703 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 23:41:36
July 26 2016 23:41 GMT
#89904
Do we seriously need a "what is racism" discussion every other page?
Take it to PM's and stop shitting up the thread.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 23:42:30
July 26 2016 23:41 GMT
#89905
They're saying she fought for children as a lawyer..

This is awkward

She kind of laughed about how she knew her client was guilty of raping a child and still managed to pass the polygraph test

and blamed the child for having adult fantasies

and laughed about the destruction of evidence

ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 23:43:14
July 26 2016 23:42 GMT
#89906
On July 27 2016 08:41 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
They're saying she fought for children as a lawyer..

This is awkward

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2f13f2awK4


she tried to get out of having to represent the guy b/c she didnt want to represent a shitbag

but she couldn't, so god forbid that as a lawyer she does her job

we've discussed this before
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Erik.TheRed
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1655 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 23:42:56
July 26 2016 23:42 GMT
#89907
On July 27 2016 08:31 LegalLord wrote:
Jimmy Carter... not exactly a great person to show off given how justifiably unpopular he was. But I guess at the least they're showing old presidents.


My impression is that Carter is well-liked and highly respected among democrats (and probably independents) for his global human rights activism post-presidency.
"See you space cowboy"
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 26 2016 23:44 GMT
#89908
Jimmy Carter wasn't a great president, but if the Iran rescue had gone off he'd be regarded much better - he may even have won re election. It's basically the flip of what happened with Obama's call to go after Bin Laden - successful you're a decisive commander in chief, failure and you're branded as an impulsive poor decision maker.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 26 2016 23:45 GMT
#89909
On July 27 2016 08:42 Erik.TheRed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 08:31 LegalLord wrote:
Jimmy Carter... not exactly a great person to show off given how justifiably unpopular he was. But I guess at the least they're showing old presidents.


My impression is that Carter is well-liked and highly respected among democrats (and probably independents) for his global human rights activism post-presidency.

Definitely not my perception of him. Terrible president, kind of weak as a post-president. I'd prefer to hear less of him.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 23:46:40
July 26 2016 23:46 GMT
#89910
As a public defender, you can't always choose who you defend, and as someone representing the poor and disenfranchised, you're suppose to give the best damned defense you can, even if you think the person is the scum of the earth. That's legal ethics for you, and the overworked, thankless job of being a public defender.

As I said before, the only breach in etiquette was her giving her personal opinion on her client's guilt/innocence.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 23:48:11
July 26 2016 23:46 GMT
#89911
On July 27 2016 08:45 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 08:42 Erik.TheRed wrote:
On July 27 2016 08:31 LegalLord wrote:
Jimmy Carter... not exactly a great person to show off given how justifiably unpopular he was. But I guess at the least they're showing old presidents.


My impression is that Carter is well-liked and highly respected among democrats (and probably independents) for his global human rights activism post-presidency.

Definitely not my perception of him. Terrible president, kind of weak as a post-president. I'd prefer to hear less of him.


Sounds like you don't really know much of him. He's done a massive amount of human rights work. Even still teaches Sunday school in his hometown. He's not in the news much because he focuses on his work over fame. Wikipedia is a solid place to start.
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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 23:48:43
July 26 2016 23:47 GMT
#89912
its actually a cultural thing. I refer to it as "black" culture simply because it is mostly black people who are a part of it but in general you can be white, grow up in that culture and say the n word no problems. There was a video of a Asian store owner who loses his shit and starts going full hood on an another black man and it wasn't racist or weird, it was culturally aligned.

Edit: uh I was supposed to quote someone but messed up on my phone.
Question.?
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 26 2016 23:48 GMT
#89913
On July 27 2016 08:46 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 08:45 LegalLord wrote:
On July 27 2016 08:42 Erik.TheRed wrote:
On July 27 2016 08:31 LegalLord wrote:
Jimmy Carter... not exactly a great person to show off given how justifiably unpopular he was. But I guess at the least they're showing old presidents.


My impression is that Carter is well-liked and highly respected among democrats (and probably independents) for his global human rights activism post-presidency.

Definitely not my perception of him. Terrible president, kind of weak as a post-president. I'd prefer to hear less of him.


Sounds like you don't really know much of him. He's done a massive amount of human rights work. Even still teaches Sunday school in his hometown.

Picking up the oneofthem torch for random low-content snarkers I see.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 23:50:17
July 26 2016 23:49 GMT
#89914
On July 27 2016 08:48 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 08:46 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 27 2016 08:45 LegalLord wrote:
On July 27 2016 08:42 Erik.TheRed wrote:
On July 27 2016 08:31 LegalLord wrote:
Jimmy Carter... not exactly a great person to show off given how justifiably unpopular he was. But I guess at the least they're showing old presidents.


My impression is that Carter is well-liked and highly respected among democrats (and probably independents) for his global human rights activism post-presidency.

Definitely not my perception of him. Terrible president, kind of weak as a post-president. I'd prefer to hear less of him.


Sounds like you don't really know much of him. He's done a massive amount of human rights work. Even still teaches Sunday school in his hometown.

Picking up the oneofthem torch for random low-content snarkers I see.


I like to call bullshit out. Besides I'm not wrong.
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 26 2016 23:52 GMT
#89915
On July 27 2016 08:16 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 08:15 zlefin wrote:
Figuring out the best way to deal with the DC issue as it has evolved is a bit tricky; no truly obviously good solutions.

What argument is there against DC being a state?

do you still need the answer to this? it looked to me like the other guy answered already, but I haven't seen you say anything else, so i'm not sure.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1416 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-27 00:12:32
July 27 2016 00:11 GMT
#89916
WhiteDog
Profile Blog PM Joined November 2010


On July 27 2016 08:07 GreenHorizons wrote:
There was a huge walkout at the convention, corporate media will tell you soon, maybe.

Just read this : http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/07/26/a-call-to-action-walk-out-from-the-democratic-national-convention/
Lots of guts, and I believe this to be a good long run move if you want to create a real movement, but at the same time it is a very risky move in the short term considering it might help Trump, who is not really an ally of their "political revolution".


-----


Did people walk out in the end?

"Over the past decades, effectively unchallenged by the left, the Democratic establishment has joined the Republicans in carrying out the neoliberal project, differing more in degree than direction."

Yup very true what he says.
Still I doubt it is the right move at this moment. To now continue this background fight while the race is entering its final phase,it risks pushing neutral people away forever and marginalizing the whole movement.
Its close but its still not the right time,bernie did not get the majority of votes. Give it 4 more years of Clinton supporting corporate America (or not who knows) and then you can win the nomination with a clean majority. Maybe even a 3rd party bid would have a chance if they get a good and credible candidate.

Curious where Bernie will be in 4 years.
Will he run again or is this it. The whole movement very much depends on Bernie.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-27 00:12:29
July 27 2016 00:12 GMT
#89917
I think he's too old to run again; he's pretty much done at this point right?
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-27 00:17:00
July 27 2016 00:16 GMT
#89918
Props to DNC for hammering it in that people still need to respect the police. Two speakers in a row
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 27 2016 00:20 GMT
#89919
"Mothers of the movement." That could be a euphemism for someone taking a shit.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18876 Posts
July 27 2016 00:22 GMT
#89920
They've been saying that since the temperance movement
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
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