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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 27 2016 00:47 GMT
#89941
This Lena Dunham bit is making me cringe so hard
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44654 Posts
July 27 2016 00:47 GMT
#89942
I've been at work the past few hours and I haven't been able to watch any of tonight's DNC speeches. Would someone be so kind as to give me the super short summary/ overall ideas talked about/ were there any notable speeches yet? Thank you <3
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
TMagpie
Profile Joined June 2015
265 Posts
July 27 2016 00:48 GMT
#89943
On July 27 2016 09:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I've been at work the past few hours and I haven't been able to watch any of tonight's DNC speeches. Would someone be so kind as to give me the super short summary/ overall ideas talked about/ were there any notable speeches yet? Thank you <3


As someone who also had been at work, summaries less broad than "vote for Clinton" would be appreciated.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 27 2016 00:49 GMT
#89944
On July 27 2016 08:39 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 08:36 Doodsmack wrote:
On July 27 2016 08:09 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 27 2016 07:54 Doodsmack wrote:
On July 27 2016 07:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 27 2016 04:45 Plansix wrote:
On July 27 2016 04:43 VayneAuthority wrote:
On July 27 2016 04:40 Plansix wrote:
On July 27 2016 04:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
On July 27 2016 04:37 Plansix wrote:
[quote]
The meaning of words is not set in stone and citing a dictionary isn’t going to win this argument. The discussion of privilege within a demographic and region is completely valid and real. Privilege is regional and based on the dominate demographic in that culture. White privilege does not exist in Japan. But is very real in the US.


ok so your position is words dont mean anything. guess ill just use the N word whenever I feel like it, its meaning isnt set in stone right?

Ok, so you do realize that the word you just cited has different meanings based on who uses it and who they are saying it to, right?


No it doesn't. No one uses the hard R word in any context except one.

Yeah it does, sorry. The N-bomb means different things depending on who says it to whom. White as the driven snow guys like me don’t get to use it.


I've never found a compelling rational argument for this phenomenon whenever people try to explain it to me it just seems driven purely by emotions.

Either a word is offensive and shouldn't be used, or it isn't.

The very idea that certain skin colors should be able to say or do certain things that others can't is inherently racist


We're now arguing it's racist to say white people shouldn't use the N bomb?


I'm saying if a word is culturally decided to be a racial slur that ought not be used, then no one should use it.

It's irrational to advocate the position 'oh this is a racial slur but it's only bad if white people say it. it's okay for black people to say it'


It's just a single word being used with multiple meanings. Black people don't use it to insult.


So you're saying black people are capable of using the word in a non-insulting manner

and that white people are incapable of doing this, based purely on the fact that they are white and not black?


Perhaps you don't know the meaning of the word they intend when they use it.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-27 00:50:44
July 27 2016 00:50 GMT
#89945
On July 27 2016 09:48 TMagpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 09:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I've been at work the past few hours and I haven't been able to watch any of tonight's DNC speeches. Would someone be so kind as to give me the super short summary/ overall ideas talked about/ were there any notable speeches yet? Thank you <3


As someone who also had been at work, summaries less broad than "vote for Clinton" would be appreciated.

Quick summery : Bernie or bust, bernie delegates leave the room because they don't accept Hillary as their new leader.
And then woman power yeah ! Trump is bad bad, racist and mysogine ! Hillary is our hero ! She will be the first woman president !
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
July 27 2016 00:50 GMT
#89946
On July 27 2016 09:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I've been at work the past few hours and I haven't been able to watch any of tonight's DNC speeches. Would someone be so kind as to give me the super short summary/ overall ideas talked about/ were there any notable speeches yet? Thank you <3

Social issues mostly.
"Trump hates blacks, Hispanics, and women, Hillary loves children. "
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 27 2016 00:50 GMT
#89947
On July 27 2016 09:49 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 08:39 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 27 2016 08:36 Doodsmack wrote:
On July 27 2016 08:09 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 27 2016 07:54 Doodsmack wrote:
On July 27 2016 07:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 27 2016 04:45 Plansix wrote:
On July 27 2016 04:43 VayneAuthority wrote:
On July 27 2016 04:40 Plansix wrote:
On July 27 2016 04:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
[quote]

ok so your position is words dont mean anything. guess ill just use the N word whenever I feel like it, its meaning isnt set in stone right?

Ok, so you do realize that the word you just cited has different meanings based on who uses it and who they are saying it to, right?


No it doesn't. No one uses the hard R word in any context except one.

Yeah it does, sorry. The N-bomb means different things depending on who says it to whom. White as the driven snow guys like me don’t get to use it.


I've never found a compelling rational argument for this phenomenon whenever people try to explain it to me it just seems driven purely by emotions.

Either a word is offensive and shouldn't be used, or it isn't.

The very idea that certain skin colors should be able to say or do certain things that others can't is inherently racist


We're now arguing it's racist to say white people shouldn't use the N bomb?


I'm saying if a word is culturally decided to be a racial slur that ought not be used, then no one should use it.

It's irrational to advocate the position 'oh this is a racial slur but it's only bad if white people say it. it's okay for black people to say it'


It's just a single word being used with multiple meanings. Black people don't use it to insult.


So you're saying black people are capable of using the word in a non-insulting manner

and that white people are incapable of doing this, based purely on the fact that they are white and not black?


Perhaps you don't know the meaning of the word they intend when they use it.


GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23322 Posts
July 27 2016 00:56 GMT
#89948
"Love trumps hate" has got to be the single dumbest slogan ever.

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
July 27 2016 00:58 GMT
#89949
The speeches today have been very painful for me to watch, hence I've been trying to stay out of this thread.

I'm just so increasingly disappointed with how little substance there is. Every speech is, we are equal and stronger together... Reminds me of that Family Guy episode where they say "9/11 was bad", and everyone cheers and claps.

95% of speakers said nothing (couple exceptions like Michelle)... But wtf, how do people eat this up? The mentality is just let's push all our problems away and like everyone and it'll be great. So idealist and so little perspective.

Too bad, truly out of touch with reality. It's so easy to like the democrats at first since everything said here is so easy to like on the surface, but not when you look at it in practice.

In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44654 Posts
July 27 2016 00:58 GMT
#89950
On July 27 2016 09:56 GreenHorizons wrote:
"Love trumps hate" has got to be the single dumbest slogan ever.



Why? It's a play-on words of Trump and sends the message that his campaign has been one of hate.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4825 Posts
July 27 2016 00:58 GMT
#89951
Clinton trying to play safe with Kaine, yet the DNC is full bore Democrat pandering. Seriously, having the mother of Michael Brown? Is she trying to lose?

People hate Trump, stop forcing them to his side. I don't see how this helps minority turnout vs driving others away. You aren't going to get Obama like turnout. Stop trying.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 27 2016 01:00 GMT
#89952
On July 27 2016 09:58 FiWiFaKi wrote:
The speeches today have been very painful for me to watch, hence I've been trying to stay out of this thread.

I'm just so increasingly disappointed with how little substance there is. Every speech is, we are equal and stronger together... Reminds me of that Family Guy episode where they say "9/11 was bad", and everyone cheers and claps.

95% of speakers said nothing (couple exceptions like Michelle)... But wtf, how do people eat this up? The mentality is just let's push all our problems away and like everyone and it'll be great. So idealist and so little perspective.

Too bad, truly out of touch with reality. It's so easy to like the democrats at first since everything said here is so easy to like on the surface, but not when you look at it in practice.


well, the convention is all about talking to activists in your own party; as such very little need be truly said, as for the most part you're all in agreement on the issues, and it's just a cheerleading rally. but cheerleading rallies are useful to have occasionally. morale matters after all.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44654 Posts
July 27 2016 01:00 GMT
#89953
Thanks WhiteDog and LegalLord
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 27 2016 01:00 GMT
#89954
On July 27 2016 09:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 09:56 GreenHorizons wrote:
"Love trumps hate" has got to be the single dumbest slogan ever.



Why? It's a play-on words of Trump and sends the message that his campaign has been one of hate.


The play on words implication of 'Love Trump' is counterproductive to what you want from a slogan against your opponent
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-27 01:01:46
July 27 2016 01:01 GMT
#89955
"Dorothy wrote me letter where she wrote that hillary had a great sense of humor and a sense of symathy for others. She is so good she saved a bee one day".
I hope people can buy some good beer to pass through this.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1353 Posts
July 27 2016 01:01 GMT
#89956
Happy feel good show for the next 2 days and then pray it is enough.
Ignoring more or less all the problems that people are worry about.
Boring now till the debates begin,unless more dirt keeps coming out left or right which is very well possible.

The Clinton trump debates,that will be epic.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44654 Posts
July 27 2016 01:02 GMT
#89957
On July 27 2016 10:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 09:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 27 2016 09:56 GreenHorizons wrote:
"Love trumps hate" has got to be the single dumbest slogan ever.



Why? It's a play-on words of Trump and sends the message that his campaign has been one of hate.


The play on words implication of 'Love Trump' is counterproductive to what you want from a slogan against your opponent


You're kidding right? Purposely ignoring the third word and misreading the second word?

Come on now, it's not rocket science lol.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
July 27 2016 01:02 GMT
#89958
On July 27 2016 09:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 09:49 Doodsmack wrote:
On July 27 2016 08:39 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 27 2016 08:36 Doodsmack wrote:
On July 27 2016 08:09 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 27 2016 07:54 Doodsmack wrote:
On July 27 2016 07:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 27 2016 04:45 Plansix wrote:
On July 27 2016 04:43 VayneAuthority wrote:
On July 27 2016 04:40 Plansix wrote:
[quote]
Ok, so you do realize that the word you just cited has different meanings based on who uses it and who they are saying it to, right?


No it doesn't. No one uses the hard R word in any context except one.

Yeah it does, sorry. The N-bomb means different things depending on who says it to whom. White as the driven snow guys like me don’t get to use it.


I've never found a compelling rational argument for this phenomenon whenever people try to explain it to me it just seems driven purely by emotions.

Either a word is offensive and shouldn't be used, or it isn't.

The very idea that certain skin colors should be able to say or do certain things that others can't is inherently racist


We're now arguing it's racist to say white people shouldn't use the N bomb?


I'm saying if a word is culturally decided to be a racial slur that ought not be used, then no one should use it.

It's irrational to advocate the position 'oh this is a racial slur but it's only bad if white people say it. it's okay for black people to say it'


It's just a single word being used with multiple meanings. Black people don't use it to insult.


So you're saying black people are capable of using the word in a non-insulting manner

and that white people are incapable of doing this, based purely on the fact that they are white and not black?


Perhaps you don't know the meaning of the word they intend when they use it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF1NUposXVQ


Pretty stupid point. When you're using 'nigger' instead of 'the n word' you're clearly overstepping an existing social taboo and are clearly signifying that. The words don't contain the same meaning just because they're referring to the same word in the dictionary, that's not how communication works
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
July 27 2016 01:02 GMT
#89959
The third debate is FP, right? That one specifically will be interesting.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
July 27 2016 01:04 GMT
#89960
On July 27 2016 10:02 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2016 10:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 27 2016 09:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 27 2016 09:56 GreenHorizons wrote:
"Love trumps hate" has got to be the single dumbest slogan ever.



Why? It's a play-on words of Trump and sends the message that his campaign has been one of hate.


The play on words implication of 'Love Trump' is counterproductive to what you want from a slogan against your opponent


You're kidding right? Purposely ignoring the third word and misreading the second word?

Come on now, it's not rocket science lol.

Or maybe the slogan is "love Trump's hate."
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
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