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On July 07 2016 18:51 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2016 14:19 xDaunt wrote:On July 07 2016 12:41 ticklishmusic wrote:
i love how people cite hillary's "shitty record". it's either they're being disingenuous or are straight up ignorant of what positions she actually took with regards to iraq, libya, etc. Shitting on Hillary's FP record is like shooting fish in a barrel. God knows that I have done it plenty around here, and I have yet to see anything resembling a satisfactory rebuttal. I cant think of anyone that has a good FP record if you really want to start arguing bad FP. US FP in general is shit
A nation's FP generally doesn't make you look good to the rest of the world. However, there's a difference between a few poorly planned incursions (which each president has a fair few to their name) and being as bad as Hillary Clinton on this issue. She touts her experience but hardly mentions the fact that the vast majority of the projects she spearheaded were blunders and bizarre Wolfowitz-like posturing. The main reason her opponents don't call her out on it is because Sanders himself is by and large a foreign policy dunce (he could have hammered her on all her failures if he were more experienced) and the Republican party except Trump all support her policies to the fullest degree. Instead they go after pet cases like Benghazi and some individuals take that as sufficient rationalization to pretend her other FP faults don't exist and that she is the antithesis to the evil George W Bush policy rather than second only to John Rambo McCain in being his FP successor.
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On July 07 2016 21:58 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2016 21:50 Plansix wrote:
More importantly the traffic stop was for a burnt out tail light and the victim had no criminal record. Without some other information, I see no reason for that office to approach the car gun drawn. This was in a low crime area as well. Yeah really unfortunate, the guy was a responsible gun owner who followed the law. The gf who video taped the whole thing was calmer than the trained officer, really is sad. To me the Alton case was a straight execution with malice, this one seems to be more incompetence and lack of training combined with miscommunication. All speculation though cause we don't have the full footage.
Lack of training and miscommunication seems to get an awful lot of people in the US killed by police.
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The worst part about this is that I am sure the offices in both cases will be acquitted and keep their jobs. They might need to move to a new city, but they will keep their jobs, pension and everything. And I doubt either political part will make any effort to address the issue until we have full blown riots.
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On July 07 2016 21:58 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2016 21:50 Plansix wrote:
More importantly the traffic stop was for a burnt out tail light and the victim had no criminal record. Without some other information, I see no reason for that office to approach the car gun drawn. This was in a low crime area as well. Yeah really unfortunate, the guy was a responsible gun owner who followed the law. The gf who video taped the whole thing was calmer than the trained officer, really is sad. To me the Alton case was a straight execution with malice, this one seems to be more incompetence and lack of training combined with miscommunication. All speculation though cause we don't have the full footage.
It's not the policeman's fault it's the system's!
(and we refuse to address either)
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Privilege is getting to walk around town looking for Pokemon and not worrying whether or not I'll be shot and killed today.
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On July 07 2016 22:06 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2016 18:51 Rebs wrote:On July 07 2016 14:19 xDaunt wrote:On July 07 2016 12:41 ticklishmusic wrote:
i love how people cite hillary's "shitty record". it's either they're being disingenuous or are straight up ignorant of what positions she actually took with regards to iraq, libya, etc. Shitting on Hillary's FP record is like shooting fish in a barrel. God knows that I have done it plenty around here, and I have yet to see anything resembling a satisfactory rebuttal. I cant think of anyone that has a good FP record if you really want to start arguing bad FP. US FP in general is shit A nation's FP generally doesn't make you look good to the rest of the world. However, there's a difference between a few poorly planned incursions (which each president has a fair few to their name) and being as bad as Hillary Clinton on this issue. She touts her experience but hardly mentions the fact that the vast majority of the projects she spearheaded were blunders and bizarre Wolfowitz-like posturing. The main reason her opponents don't call her out on it is because Sanders himself is by and large a foreign policy dunce (he could have hammered her on all her failures if he were more experienced) and the Republican party except Drumpf all support her policies to the fullest degree. Instead they go after pet cases like Benghazi and some individuals take that as sufficient rationalization to pretend her other FP faults don't exist and that she is the antithesis to the evil George W Bush policy rather than second only to John Rambo McCain in being his FP successor.
Dont be ridiculous, even from a self serving perspective the FP has been disastrous. I live in North America I am not speaking from a "rest of the world perspective"
And again you can ignore the pet issues but bring me a list of criticisms of her FP failures that are indisputable and may be a long list and I will bring you a list of every single other secretary of state that beats her pretty badly.
Especially considering the shit storm that has been the state of the world since the invasions.
Everyone sucks at FP, what she has going for her is that atleast there is a chance she will learn instead of someone else who comes in pretends they know wtf is going on and fucks it up even more.
Having failed at things is a more valuable experience in some cases than succeeding and thinking you have it all figured out.
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If this Congressional hearing goes south for Comey then I can't see a way Clinton can dig herself out of the hole.
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On July 07 2016 23:09 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
If this Congressional hearing goes south for Comey then I can't see a way Clinton can dig herself out of the hole.
I don't really understand what can come of the hearing. It sounds like all they can really do is yell at him and call him names. He already made his recommendation and Lynch already accepted it. What can happen?
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Have him repeat his condemtion line by line and then have to answer the meaning of them.
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On July 07 2016 23:08 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2016 22:06 LegalLord wrote:On July 07 2016 18:51 Rebs wrote:On July 07 2016 14:19 xDaunt wrote:On July 07 2016 12:41 ticklishmusic wrote:
i love how people cite hillary's "shitty record". it's either they're being disingenuous or are straight up ignorant of what positions she actually took with regards to iraq, libya, etc. Shitting on Hillary's FP record is like shooting fish in a barrel. God knows that I have done it plenty around here, and I have yet to see anything resembling a satisfactory rebuttal. I cant think of anyone that has a good FP record if you really want to start arguing bad FP. US FP in general is shit A nation's FP generally doesn't make you look good to the rest of the world. However, there's a difference between a few poorly planned incursions (which each president has a fair few to their name) and being as bad as Hillary Clinton on this issue. She touts her experience but hardly mentions the fact that the vast majority of the projects she spearheaded were blunders and bizarre Wolfowitz-like posturing. The main reason her opponents don't call her out on it is because Sanders himself is by and large a foreign policy dunce (he could have hammered her on all her failures if he were more experienced) and the Republican party except Drumpf all support her policies to the fullest degree. Instead they go after pet cases like Benghazi and some individuals take that as sufficient rationalization to pretend her other FP faults don't exist and that she is the antithesis to the evil George W Bush policy rather than second only to John Rambo McCain in being his FP successor. Dont be ridiculous, even from a self serving perspective the FP has been disastrous. I live in North America I am not speaking from a "rest of the world perspective" And again you can ignore the pet issues but bring me a list of criticisms of her FP failures that are indisputable and may be a long list and I will bring you a list of every single other secretary of state that beats her pretty badly. Especially considering the shit storm that has been the state of the world since the invasions.
I mean, her FP involvement starts with her tenure as First Lady (and she did, in fact, have a nontrivial role there and in the Senate in FP expansionism) so just the SoS tenure is not sufficient to describe her overall FP record. You could easily just say that Madeleine Albright, Colin Powell, etc., were worse but she played a prominent part in the FP of their tenure as well so it's not really a fair comparison.
But I'll bite, if only out of curiosity on your position that she isn't so bad. The major SoS failures that started within her tenure include (off the top of my head) Ukraine (Orange Revolution), Georgia, South China Sea disputes, Libya, and Syria. What SoS tenures were worse? Bonus points for those that occur before 1993.
On July 07 2016 23:08 Rebs wrote:
Everyone sucks at FP, what she has going for her is that atleast there is a chance she will learn instead of someone else who comes in pretends they know wtf is going on and fucks it up even more.
"Everyone sucks therefore Hillary does not suck."
On July 07 2016 23:08 Rebs wrote:
Having failed at things is a more valuable experience in some cases than succeeding and thinking you have it all figured out.
Having good judgment is more valuable than experience. Hillary has proven not to have that.
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you do realize that there are more white people than black people in america
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I don't really see the relevance in that but even if, a part of the population makes up 12% of the population and gets killed 25% of the times. That is disproportionately. Literally
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I don't think 12% of suspects or persons of interest are black, what does general demographic have to do with this?
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On July 07 2016 23:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Have him repeat his condemtion line by line and then have to answer the meaning of them.
The FBI director is going to provide their reasoning and then remind congress that they can appoint a special prosecutor and bring charges if they disagree. The FBI could just hand over the case to the special prosecutor and move on with their lives.
The GOP just wants to make a big stink about this and ask why people aren’t doing what they want. Even though they are totally empowered go after her, but think it’s better claim the FBI’s investigation is biased.
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Comey didn't do that well by the first line of questions. And Mr. Cummings isn't helping him either.
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On July 07 2016 23:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Comey didn't do that well by the first line of questions. And Mr. Cummings isn't helping him either.
If Jason wasn't such a knob he could of got some better answers. Gowdy is better at this
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This is pretty pathetic, Gowdy's found that 3 documents had classified markings out of 60,000. It's like saying you've never been late in your life but it turns out you've been a couple minutes late a couple times because, y'know, that's really hard. And somehow that's a terrible lie which is a sign of moral turpitude.
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