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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 07 2016 05:19 GMT
#83541
On July 07 2016 12:41 ticklishmusic wrote:
i love how people cite hillary's "shitty record". it's either they're being disingenuous or are straight up ignorant of what positions she actually took with regards to iraq, libya, etc.

Shitting on Hillary's FP record is like shooting fish in a barrel. God knows that I have done it plenty around here, and I have yet to see anything resembling a satisfactory rebuttal.
kapibara-san
Profile Joined July 2016
Japan415 Posts
July 07 2016 05:22 GMT
#83542
On July 07 2016 14:17 oBlade wrote:
What's wrong with that tweet?

nothing at all its just naturally funny
tfw your posting style is obnoxious to everybody else but strangely compelling to you... like a fart...
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23220 Posts
July 07 2016 05:26 GMT
#83543
On July 07 2016 14:18 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Ugh

Show nested quote +
A man was shot by police in Falcon Heights on Wednesday evening. In a video posted on Facebook, the man’s girlfriend says the “police shot him for no apparent reason, no reason at all.”

Friends at the scene identified the man as Philando Castile, 32. Castile’s cousin said he was dead, WCCO-TV reported. That could not be confirmed.

The girlfriend started the live-stream video with the man in the driver’s seat slumped next to her, his white T-shirt soaked with blood on the left side. In the video, taken with her phone, she says they were pulled over at Larpenteur Avenue and Fry Street for a broken taillight.

The video was posted on a Facebook page belonging to Lavish Reynolds, but it’s not clear if it is the girlfriend’s page or whether she sent the video to someone else to post.

The girlfriend says the officer “asked him for license and registration. He told him that it was in his wallet, but he had a pistol on him because he’s licensed to carry. The officer said don’t move. As he was putting his hands back up, the officer shot him in the arm four or five times.”


Source



If the cop shooting Lequan while he lay motionless on the ground, and the video of Alton didn't move you because he was a criminal, and the last 30 seconds of that video don't break your heart and make you want to demand justice, I'd double check for a soul.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 07 2016 06:00 GMT
#83544
On July 07 2016 14:03 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2016 13:33 GreenHorizons wrote:
So apparently the police have picked up on Trump's "just give them a new headline" strategy...

So done with America today.



Love it
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-07 09:54:44
July 07 2016 09:51 GMT
#83545
On July 07 2016 15:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2016 14:03 LegalLord wrote:
On July 07 2016 13:33 GreenHorizons wrote:
So apparently the police have picked up on Trump's "just give them a new headline" strategy...

So done with America today.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/750865499660091393


Love it


That star of david is not painting Elsa as corrupt ?

On July 07 2016 14:19 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2016 12:41 ticklishmusic wrote:
i love how people cite hillary's "shitty record". it's either they're being disingenuous or are straight up ignorant of what positions she actually took with regards to iraq, libya, etc.

Shitting on Hillary's FP record is like shooting fish in a barrel. God knows that I have done it plenty around here, and I have yet to see anything resembling a satisfactory rebuttal.


I cant think of anyone that has a good FP record if you really want to start arguing bad FP. US FP in general is shit
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10698 Posts
July 07 2016 09:57 GMT
#83546
Well, the recent comparisons to Hillary from the other side would be Bush.

And uhm... Compared to that Hillary is a Rockstar when it comes to FP.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 07 2016 10:33 GMT
#83547
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/07/07/minn-cop-fatally-shoots-man-during-traffic-stop-aftermath-broadcast-on-facebook/

Black man attempts to comply with officers instructions. Officer shoots black man, blames man for not listening. All over a busted tail light, which apparently required approaching the car guns drawn.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4199 Posts
July 07 2016 10:54 GMT
#83548
Fucking disgraceful.
~ \(ˌ)im-ˈpər-vē-əs\ : not capable of being damaged or harmed.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
July 07 2016 11:13 GMT
#83549
On July 07 2016 19:33 Plansix wrote:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/07/07/minn-cop-fatally-shoots-man-during-traffic-stop-aftermath-broadcast-on-facebook/

Black man attempts to comply with officers instructions. Officer shoots black man, blames man for not listening. All over a busted tail light, which apparently required approaching the car guns drawn.

So sad.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 07 2016 11:18 GMT
#83550
For those interested in digging in, the guardian has a data base of all reported people killed by police. Of course, many of these are for real, violent altercations. But way to many are not. And this is likely under reported, since there is no goverment data base or collection of information about the states use of force again citizens.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database

We are at 560 nation wide.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-07 11:20:41
July 07 2016 11:19 GMT
#83551
On July 07 2016 19:33 Plansix wrote:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/07/07/minn-cop-fatally-shoots-man-during-traffic-stop-aftermath-broadcast-on-facebook/

Black man attempts to comply with officers instructions. Officer shoots black man, blames man for not listening. All over a busted tail light, which apparently required approaching the car guns drawn.


Just waiting for the excuses to roll in from those clamoring to excuse cops no matter what.

I live in the Twin Cities and this is NOT going over well. I expect a lot more protests in the coming days.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 07 2016 11:25 GMT
#83552
And a year from now the cop will be acquitted for having a "reasonable fear for his life, justifying the use of lethal force," by firing into a car with a child in it at a man attempting to do exactly what the office told him. Then everyone will be super shocked and appalled when protests turn to riots.

This man put it best.



This entire country is a bummer right now.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
July 07 2016 11:27 GMT
#83553
On July 07 2016 20:19 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2016 19:33 Plansix wrote:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/07/07/minn-cop-fatally-shoots-man-during-traffic-stop-aftermath-broadcast-on-facebook/

Black man attempts to comply with officers instructions. Officer shoots black man, blames man for not listening. All over a busted tail light, which apparently required approaching the car guns drawn.


Just waiting for the excuses to roll in from those clamoring to excuse cops no matter what.

I live in the Twin Cities and this is NOT going over well. I expect a lot more protests in the coming days.


I was expecting them out in full force already, just read what happened. So sad.
On track to MA1950A.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12171 Posts
July 07 2016 11:32 GMT
#83554
On July 07 2016 20:18 Plansix wrote:
For those interested in digging in, the guardian has a data base of all reported people killed by police. Of course, many of these are for real, violent altercations. But way to many are not. And this is likely under reported, since there is no goverment data base or collection of information about the states use of force again citizens.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database

We are at 560 nation wide.


Thanks for this link, data always trumps no data. I know Cali and Texas are big states but damn, 50 and 72 in just six months... I mean I don't even know why I'm surprised given the 560 nation wide, it's actually pretty standard numbers given the total, but still they struck me.
No will to live, no wish to die
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
July 07 2016 11:40 GMT
#83555
We could spark the discussion again on how people that panic that easily in edgy situations (even if the "perp" complies) were able to get a badge in the first place. Again. Or ask what would've happened if the person in the car were NOT a black dude. Again.

.. but what's the point. Nothing will change in this regard, regardless of politicians are promising.
On track to MA1950A.
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-07 12:04:58
July 07 2016 11:48 GMT
#83556
Wow these last two shootings have been completely disgraceful. the most recent shooting the guy had a legally owned weapon?? Also the girlfriends behavior who video taped the whole thing was impressive as well. Either she is a sociopath who doesn't really feel things or is a Buddhist monk and has tamed her emotions, "my boyfriend is dead, my boyfriend is dead" said almost emotionlessly.

Edit: Ok after rewatching the video for the most recent shooting: the officer told him to not reach into his pockets, and the victim reached to what we believe is for his wallet, and then the police officer shot him probably out of fear for his life.
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gsgfdf
Profile Joined March 2015
Greece2 Posts
July 07 2016 12:02 GMT
#83557
On July 07 2016 20:48 biology]major wrote:
Wow these last two shootings have been completely disgraceful. the most recent shooting the guy had a legally owned weapon?? Also the girlfriends behavior who video taped the whole thing was impressive as well. Either she is a sociopath who doesn't really feel things or is a Buddhist monk and has tamed her emotions, "my boyfriend is dead, my boyfriend is dead" said almost emotionlessly.

I could explain why she filmed that or I could say you are a moron and move on with my life

User was warned for this post
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
July 07 2016 12:11 GMT
#83558
On July 07 2016 20:48 biology]major wrote:
Wow these last two shootings have been completely disgraceful. the most recent shooting the guy had a legally owned weapon?? Also the girlfriends behavior who video taped the whole thing was impressive as well. Either she is a sociopath who doesn't really feel things or is a Buddhist monk and has tamed her emotions, "my boyfriend is dead, my boyfriend is dead" said almost emotionlessly.

Edit: Ok after rewatching the video for the most recent shooting: the officer told him to not reach into his pockets, and the victim reached to what we believe is for his wallet, and then the police officer shot him probably out of fear for his life.

nope, that is either wrong or baseless speculation. The video starts AFTER he got shot so you don't know what the officer told him. The woman in fact said multiple times that the officer told her boyfriend to take out his license (which seems like a reasonable thing to say for a police officer in that situation, so that claim of her isn't really outlandish) and then got shot.
But so far it's word against word. The officer claims he told him to not move his hands, the woman claims the officer told him to take out his license.
Though not surprised by you instantly believing the cop who said, after having shot the guy multiple times, "I totally told him to not move!"...
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 07 2016 12:50 GMT
#83559
More importantly the traffic stop was for a burnt out tail light and the victim had no criminal record. Without some other information, I see no reason for that office to approach the car gun drawn. This was in a low crime area as well.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-07 12:59:45
July 07 2016 12:58 GMT
#83560
On July 07 2016 21:50 Plansix wrote:
More importantly the traffic stop was for a burnt out tail light and the victim had no criminal record. Without some other information, I see no reason for that office to approach the car gun drawn. This was in a low crime area as well.


Yeah really unfortunate, the guy was a responsible gun owner who followed the law. The gf who video taped the whole thing was calmer than the trained officer, really is sad.

To me the Alton case was a straight execution with malice, this one seems to be more incompetence and lack of training combined with miscommunication. All speculation though cause we don't have the full footage.
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