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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 07 2016 03:41 GMT
#83521
i love how people cite hillary's "shitty record". it's either they're being disingenuous or are straight up ignorant of what positions she actually took with regards to iraq, libya, etc.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 07 2016 03:44 GMT
#83522
On July 07 2016 12:41 ticklishmusic wrote:
i love how people cite hillary's "shitty record". it's either they're being disingenuous or are straight up ignorant of what positions she actually took with regards to iraq, libya, etc.

People believe what the Internet tells them and then claim you don't remember shit you lived through.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-07 03:45:00
July 07 2016 03:44 GMT
#83523
On July 07 2016 12:40 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2016 12:38 LegalLord wrote:
I guess that's one for cognitive dissonance then. Fair enough.

Mostly I got bored explaining myself to a stranger on the internet talking at me. Your approval of my voting decisions and reasons does not matter to me. Likely never will.


Ahm.. US politics mega thread.

If you don't want to explain your positions etc to strangers on the internet, .. You'll know where i'm going.

i love how people cite hillary's "shitty record". it's either they're being disingenuous or are straight up ignorant of what positions she actually took with regards to iraq, libya, etc.


Works both ways.
On track to MA1950A.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-07 03:48:58
July 07 2016 03:47 GMT
#83524
On July 07 2016 12:44 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2016 12:40 Plansix wrote:
On July 07 2016 12:38 LegalLord wrote:
I guess that's one for cognitive dissonance then. Fair enough.

Mostly I got bored explaining myself to a stranger on the internet talking at me. Your approval of my voting decisions and reasons does not matter to me. Likely never will.


Ahm.. US politics mega thread.

If you don't want to explain your positions etc to strangers on the internet, .. You'll know where i'm going.

I reserve the right to decide when a discussion is disingenuous and move on. Especially when I did not engage the person in the first place. There is no requirement to respond to any post.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-07 03:51:47
July 07 2016 03:49 GMT
#83525
On July 07 2016 12:41 ticklishmusic wrote:
i love how people cite hillary's "shitty record". it's either they're being disingenuous or are straight up ignorant of what positions she actually took with regards to iraq, libya, etc.

Yugoslavia and Kosovo: Bomb that shit.
Iraq: Zomg WMDs, bomb that shit.
Libya: Bomb that shit.
Syria: Overthrow Assad.

Might as well be John Rambo McCain on this issue.

On July 07 2016 12:47 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2016 12:44 m4ini wrote:
On July 07 2016 12:40 Plansix wrote:
On July 07 2016 12:38 LegalLord wrote:
I guess that's one for cognitive dissonance then. Fair enough.

Mostly I got bored explaining myself to a stranger on the internet talking at me. Your approval of my voting decisions and reasons does not matter to me. Likely never will.


Ahm.. US politics mega thread.

If you don't want to explain your positions etc to strangers on the internet, .. You'll know where i'm going.

I reserve the right to decide when a discussion is disingenuous and move on. Especially when I did not engage the person in the first place. There is no requirement to respond to any post.

Sure, you don't have to respond. Making a big deal about "I don't have to explain anything to you!!!!" ... not really a great thing to do.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
July 07 2016 03:51 GMT
#83526
On July 07 2016 12:47 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2016 12:44 m4ini wrote:
On July 07 2016 12:40 Plansix wrote:
On July 07 2016 12:38 LegalLord wrote:
I guess that's one for cognitive dissonance then. Fair enough.

Mostly I got bored explaining myself to a stranger on the internet talking at me. Your approval of my voting decisions and reasons does not matter to me. Likely never will.


Ahm.. US politics mega thread.

If you don't want to explain your positions etc to strangers on the internet, .. You'll know where i'm going.

I reserve the right to decide when a discussion is disingenuous and move on. Especially when I did not engage the person in the first place.


Didn't seem disingenuous to me. The questions might've been "loaded", but they're valid nonetheless. You can certainly say that you simply don't want to answer them because it'd make your position look weaker or incoherent, that's fine.

If you just wash off any (valid, if maybe mis-nuanced) criticism because you simply don't like it, that's lame. Especially with your field record of exactly doing the same.
On track to MA1950A.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 07 2016 03:51 GMT
#83527
The FBI investigation into Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server while secretary of state has concluded with a recommendation that she not face criminal charges.

While the fevered dreams of some on the right (and left) that Mrs Clinton would be frog-marched from campaign stage to jail cell have been dashed, the presumptive Democratic nominee's political pain is far from over.

But how bad is it, exactly? Here are some reasons why it could be a grievous wound - or nothing but a scratch.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36719054
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23218 Posts
July 07 2016 03:54 GMT
#83528
Ross Perot took 20% of the popular vote but didn't get a single electoral vote

Yeah and Bernie would get at least 3 electoral votes with less than 1% for sure. The electoral college is complicated if you break the paradigm on which it's currently navigated.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-07 04:01:05
July 07 2016 03:59 GMT
#83529
On July 07 2016 12:51 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2016 12:47 Plansix wrote:
On July 07 2016 12:44 m4ini wrote:
On July 07 2016 12:40 Plansix wrote:
On July 07 2016 12:38 LegalLord wrote:
I guess that's one for cognitive dissonance then. Fair enough.

Mostly I got bored explaining myself to a stranger on the internet talking at me. Your approval of my voting decisions and reasons does not matter to me. Likely never will.


Ahm.. US politics mega thread.

If you don't want to explain your positions etc to strangers on the internet, .. You'll know where i'm going.

I reserve the right to decide when a discussion is disingenuous and move on. Especially when I did not engage the person in the first place.


Didn't seem disingenuous to me. The questions might've been "loaded", but they're valid nonetheless. You can certainly say that you simply don't want to answer them because it'd make your position look weaker or incoherent, that's fine.

If you just wash off any (valid, if maybe mis-nuanced) criticism because you simply don't like it, that's lame. Especially with your field record of exactly doing the same.

I find the discussions of which candidate did more terrible things to be dull. Especially when much of the discussion revolves around vague, sometime inaccurate, concepts of each of the candidates perceived faults. And I have little interest in disabusing someone of their perception of either Hilary or Trump.

But mostly I was asked a question and answered honestly, as I have before. Once I saw the direction of the discussion was headed and the general tone of it, I decided I didn't want to take part.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23218 Posts
July 07 2016 04:33 GMT
#83530
So apparently the police have picked up on Trump's "just give them a new headline" strategy...

So done with America today.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
July 07 2016 04:52 GMT
#83531
On July 07 2016 12:11 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2016 10:36 farvacola wrote:
On July 07 2016 09:18 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 07 2016 09:16 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 07 2016 09:06 kapibara-san wrote:
@GH

i feel like both have a pretty solid chance of beating trump. bernie maybe even higher, but in my eyes its just a question of who wins by a bigger margin, which isn't that meaningful. i think both would win, and the difference in chance is not significant enough to matter.

though on a meta note, your continued repeated thoughts about bernie are still pretty off-putting to me. on the one hand, most of what's going on in this thread is just inconsequential musing, but on the other, this is the type of musing that's among what i'm least interested in. bernie has no chance this year barring some sort of extreme circumstances involving hillary not being able to run anymore.



Personally I think people are underestimating how much Trump could drive republican turnout against Hillary and overestimating how well Hillary will do to assuage concerns about her among the left and turn people out against Trump. But I can save those conversations for delegates who actually have influence over the outcome rather than here.


I think a lot of people are in for a big surprise in November when Trump destroys her in the general election.

Take a 90 day ban bet on that?


I've already got a 100$ bet on it.

I gain nothing from you being banned for 90 days from TL. Is this something you'd actually want to bet on though?

Show nested quote +
On July 07 2016 10:51 kapibara-san wrote:
On July 07 2016 10:43 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 07 2016 10:28 TMagpie wrote:
Legit question, what makes people think anyone would vote for Bernie in the general when they weren't voting for him in the primary?


Insert Trump hysteria here.

it seems you don't too much pay attention to him much out of your obsession with the hillary/bernie issue, but he is really quite frightening and a real possibility. i hope you do enough research to properly scare yourself closer to the GE.


I love it how the same people saying these sorts of things (including also but not limited to him being literally Hitler, will end the world in nuclear warfare, destroy the American economy, etc) are the same people accusing him of fear-mongering.

You just can't make this shit up.


I'll bet you $1,000 if that's more interesting for you.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
July 07 2016 05:03 GMT
#83532
On July 07 2016 13:33 GreenHorizons wrote:
So apparently the police have picked up on Trump's "just give them a new headline" strategy...

So done with America today.

History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
kapibara-san
Profile Joined July 2016
Japan415 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-07 05:05:30
July 07 2016 05:04 GMT
#83533
On July 07 2016 12:11 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2016 10:36 farvacola wrote:
On July 07 2016 09:18 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 07 2016 09:16 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 07 2016 09:06 kapibara-san wrote:
@GH

i feel like both have a pretty solid chance of beating trump. bernie maybe even higher, but in my eyes its just a question of who wins by a bigger margin, which isn't that meaningful. i think both would win, and the difference in chance is not significant enough to matter.

though on a meta note, your continued repeated thoughts about bernie are still pretty off-putting to me. on the one hand, most of what's going on in this thread is just inconsequential musing, but on the other, this is the type of musing that's among what i'm least interested in. bernie has no chance this year barring some sort of extreme circumstances involving hillary not being able to run anymore.



Personally I think people are underestimating how much Trump could drive republican turnout against Hillary and overestimating how well Hillary will do to assuage concerns about her among the left and turn people out against Trump. But I can save those conversations for delegates who actually have influence over the outcome rather than here.


I think a lot of people are in for a big surprise in November when Trump destroys her in the general election.

Take a 90 day ban bet on that?


I've already got a 100$ bet on it.

I gain nothing from you being banned for 90 days from TL. Is this something you'd actually want to bet on though?

Show nested quote +
On July 07 2016 10:51 kapibara-san wrote:
On July 07 2016 10:43 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 07 2016 10:28 TMagpie wrote:
Legit question, what makes people think anyone would vote for Bernie in the general when they weren't voting for him in the primary?


Insert Trump hysteria here.

it seems you don't too much pay attention to him much out of your obsession with the hillary/bernie issue, but he is really quite frightening and a real possibility. i hope you do enough research to properly scare yourself closer to the GE.


I love it how the same people saying these sorts of things (including also but not limited to him being literally Hitler, will end the world in nuclear warfare, destroy the American economy, etc) are the same people accusing him of fear-mongering.

You just can't make this shit up.

apparently u did cuz i only said one of those things and not the other

also down to bet up to 500usd
tfw your posting style is obnoxious to everybody else but strangely compelling to you... like a fart...
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23218 Posts
July 07 2016 05:05 GMT
#83534
On July 07 2016 14:03 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2016 13:33 GreenHorizons wrote:
So apparently the police have picked up on Trump's "just give them a new headline" strategy...

So done with America today.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/750865499660091393



Sooooooooooooooo done.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4748 Posts
July 07 2016 05:05 GMT
#83535
On July 07 2016 14:03 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2016 13:33 GreenHorizons wrote:
So apparently the police have picked up on Trump's "just give them a new headline" strategy...

So done with America today.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/750865499660091393


Kill me now.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
July 07 2016 05:06 GMT
#83536
On July 07 2016 14:03 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2016 13:33 GreenHorizons wrote:
So apparently the police have picked up on Trump's "just give them a new headline" strategy...

So done with America today.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/750865499660091393


He really should just...

[image loading]
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
kapibara-san
Profile Joined July 2016
Japan415 Posts
July 07 2016 05:06 GMT
#83537
wonder how many of those twitter post favoriters think he's hilariously dumb and how many genuinely think that that was a good post
tfw your posting style is obnoxious to everybody else but strangely compelling to you... like a fart...
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5581 Posts
July 07 2016 05:17 GMT
#83538
What's wrong with that tweet?
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
July 07 2016 05:18 GMT
#83539
Ugh

A man was shot by police in Falcon Heights on Wednesday evening. In a video posted on Facebook, the man’s girlfriend says the “police shot him for no apparent reason, no reason at all.”

Friends at the scene identified the man as Philando Castile, 32. Castile’s cousin said he was dead, WCCO-TV reported. That could not be confirmed.

The girlfriend started the live-stream video with the man in the driver’s seat slumped next to her, his white T-shirt soaked with blood on the left side. In the video, taken with her phone, she says they were pulled over at Larpenteur Avenue and Fry Street for a broken taillight.

The video was posted on a Facebook page belonging to Lavish Reynolds, but it’s not clear if it is the girlfriend’s page or whether she sent the video to someone else to post.

The girlfriend says the officer “asked him for license and registration. He told him that it was in his wallet, but he had a pistol on him because he’s licensed to carry. The officer said don’t move. As he was putting his hands back up, the officer shot him in the arm four or five times.”


Source
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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-07 05:24:24
July 07 2016 05:19 GMT
#83540
On July 07 2016 13:52 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2016 12:11 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 07 2016 10:36 farvacola wrote:
On July 07 2016 09:18 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 07 2016 09:16 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 07 2016 09:06 kapibara-san wrote:
@GH

i feel like both have a pretty solid chance of beating trump. bernie maybe even higher, but in my eyes its just a question of who wins by a bigger margin, which isn't that meaningful. i think both would win, and the difference in chance is not significant enough to matter.

though on a meta note, your continued repeated thoughts about bernie are still pretty off-putting to me. on the one hand, most of what's going on in this thread is just inconsequential musing, but on the other, this is the type of musing that's among what i'm least interested in. bernie has no chance this year barring some sort of extreme circumstances involving hillary not being able to run anymore.



Personally I think people are underestimating how much Trump could drive republican turnout against Hillary and overestimating how well Hillary will do to assuage concerns about her among the left and turn people out against Trump. But I can save those conversations for delegates who actually have influence over the outcome rather than here.


I think a lot of people are in for a big surprise in November when Trump destroys her in the general election.

Take a 90 day ban bet on that?


I've already got a 100$ bet on it.

I gain nothing from you being banned for 90 days from TL. Is this something you'd actually want to bet on though?

On July 07 2016 10:51 kapibara-san wrote:
On July 07 2016 10:43 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 07 2016 10:28 TMagpie wrote:
Legit question, what makes people think anyone would vote for Bernie in the general when they weren't voting for him in the primary?


Insert Trump hysteria here.

it seems you don't too much pay attention to him much out of your obsession with the hillary/bernie issue, but he is really quite frightening and a real possibility. i hope you do enough research to properly scare yourself closer to the GE.


I love it how the same people saying these sorts of things (including also but not limited to him being literally Hitler, will end the world in nuclear warfare, destroy the American economy, etc) are the same people accusing him of fear-mongering.

You just can't make this shit up.


I'll bet you $1,000 if that's more interesting for you.

considering hillary is at -340, thats a steal for you
On the otherhand, ggtemplar should bet online and post the slip. You'd triple your money anyways if Trump wins.

Interesting odds for VP:
Bill Clinton +10000
Warren +300
Time Kaine +160
Cory Booker +700
Sanders +1200

Gingrich +160
Joni Ernst +250
Christie +750
Kasich +2500
Palin +4000
Ben Carson +6600
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