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On July 07 2016 02:59 Naracs_Duc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2016 02:47 kapibara-san wrote:
it's naive to believe that you're entitled to more political power than you have just because of some propagandistic description of how civics in america is "supposed to work"
in fact it's an unnecessary artificial delineation to even consider the discrepancy between the possible scope of your influence within politics vs outside of it, as if you're entitled to more influence in the politics of your own nation/state because of idealistic words
the words dont govern the nation, the people interpreting them and reinterpreting them and "mis"interpreting them do
if you want to be a big influence you have to go hard anyway
expecting that your vote or your tone-deaf campaign should accomplish more than it does is just another form of naive idealism
if your goal is to make those things more meaningful again, you still have to go about that goal with a realistic view of human emotions, human influence, and human power structures... and ignore all the ideals of "how it's supposed to be." look at how it is, and deal with it. Actually--that's exactly what my step 1 said. Liberals don't vote, conservatives do, so we always have a government that seems more conservative than the liberal population. The reason? When push comes to shove, people only like the idea of helping others. When it comes time to vote on putting their taxes where their mouths are they don't show up because humans are naturally evil creatures, selfish and malevolent destroyers of all things they don't understand--but they want to feel like good guys. So they yell loudly that they want to be liberals, don't show up to vote, and blame an evil system for performing exactly how they allow it to perform so that they can take joy from the pain of others.
do you have citations for liberals voting less than conservatives? I don't recall noticing such in general, at least not to a strong degree.
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On July 07 2016 01:32 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2016 01:13 kapibara-san wrote:On July 07 2016 01:13 thePunGun wrote:On July 07 2016 00:39 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2016 00:30 ticklishmusic wrote:
I'd like anyone who's said that minorities made up stuff about police brutality to please stand up Its like all the work with community policing done after the 70s and early 80s is undone. And the worst part is that those guys might not be convicted. Another one of the police is the Freddie Gray decided to take a bench trial, after the judge acquitted the other two. So it could turn out that no one was responsible for the death of Freddie Gray, despite him being in police custody. If people feel this helpless against the power of the state and have no remedy, it will get a lot worse before it gets better. The first step is realizing, that we, the people have no power in this country! It's irrelevant who'll be the next president, that whole voting thing only exists to give us the idea, that we have freedom of choice. The real owners of this country, the big wealthy fucks, that control everything (media, politicians,...) don't give 2 shits about us and that's why it'll only get worse. okay next step? Get police to understand that the reason that everyone is angry at police nation wide is that they refuse to call out their own. I just listened to a radio interview with a police officer about the video and the host couldn't' even get the office to say it looked bad. The officer was so interested in protecting himself and "police" that he couldn't just say "that looks bad."
It literally goes both ways with the vast majority of reasonable people refusing to criticize their own radicals faults. This is politics 101 and why everything is getting more and more polarized in the age of mass information. People aren't wise enough to handle the knowledge they've been given access to.
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naracs_duc is fundamentally correct though, there's a psychological study that shows people tend to overestimate their own generosity relative to others
conversely, they underestimate their self-interest relative to others
it only makes sense that people who vote for the party of mainly self-interest are more committed to voting than the people who vote for the party of altruism and generosity
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This has been the ongoing struggle for the democrats, they can’t get people to vote. Especially in the midterm elections where they get crushed.
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On July 07 2016 03:09 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2016 01:32 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2016 01:13 kapibara-san wrote:On July 07 2016 01:13 thePunGun wrote:On July 07 2016 00:39 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2016 00:30 ticklishmusic wrote:
I'd like anyone who's said that minorities made up stuff about police brutality to please stand up Its like all the work with community policing done after the 70s and early 80s is undone. And the worst part is that those guys might not be convicted. Another one of the police is the Freddie Gray decided to take a bench trial, after the judge acquitted the other two. So it could turn out that no one was responsible for the death of Freddie Gray, despite him being in police custody. If people feel this helpless against the power of the state and have no remedy, it will get a lot worse before it gets better. The first step is realizing, that we, the people have no power in this country! It's irrelevant who'll be the next president, that whole voting thing only exists to give us the idea, that we have freedom of choice. The real owners of this country, the big wealthy fucks, that control everything (media, politicians,...) don't give 2 shits about us and that's why it'll only get worse. okay next step? Get police to understand that the reason that everyone is angry at police nation wide is that they refuse to call out their own. I just listened to a radio interview with a police officer about the video and the host couldn't' even get the office to say it looked bad. The officer was so interested in protecting himself and "police" that he couldn't just say "that looks bad." It literally goes both ways with the vast majority of reasonable people refusing to criticize their own radicals faults. This is politics 101 and why everything is getting more and more polarized in the age of mass information. People aren't wise enough to handle the knowledge they've been given access to.
anothe rmajor portion if it is that many people do criticize their own radicals, but far less loudly and noticeable than the other sides' radicals; so the other sides' moderates get miffed at that.
The decline of good information curators, and of people's trust in information curators, has certainly hurt a fair bit as well.
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On July 07 2016 03:09 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2016 01:32 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2016 01:13 kapibara-san wrote:On July 07 2016 01:13 thePunGun wrote:On July 07 2016 00:39 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2016 00:30 ticklishmusic wrote:
I'd like anyone who's said that minorities made up stuff about police brutality to please stand up Its like all the work with community policing done after the 70s and early 80s is undone. And the worst part is that those guys might not be convicted. Another one of the police is the Freddie Gray decided to take a bench trial, after the judge acquitted the other two. So it could turn out that no one was responsible for the death of Freddie Gray, despite him being in police custody. If people feel this helpless against the power of the state and have no remedy, it will get a lot worse before it gets better. The first step is realizing, that we, the people have no power in this country! It's irrelevant who'll be the next president, that whole voting thing only exists to give us the idea, that we have freedom of choice. The real owners of this country, the big wealthy fucks, that control everything (media, politicians,...) don't give 2 shits about us and that's why it'll only get worse. okay next step? Get police to understand that the reason that everyone is angry at police nation wide is that they refuse to call out their own. I just listened to a radio interview with a police officer about the video and the host couldn't' even get the office to say it looked bad. The officer was so interested in protecting himself and "police" that he couldn't just say "that looks bad." It literally goes both ways with the vast majority of reasonable people refusing to criticize their own radicals faults. This is politics 101 and why everything is getting more and more polarized in the age of mass information. People aren't wise enough to handle the knowledge they've been given access to.
Yeah, but I’m talking about the police right now. We can deal with “EVERYONE ELSE IN REALITY” at a later date.
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On July 07 2016 02:25 thePunGun wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2016 02:10 Danglars wrote:On July 07 2016 01:32 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2016 01:13 kapibara-san wrote:On July 07 2016 01:13 thePunGun wrote:On July 07 2016 00:39 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2016 00:30 ticklishmusic wrote:
I'd like anyone who's said that minorities made up stuff about police brutality to please stand up Its like all the work with community policing done after the 70s and early 80s is undone. And the worst part is that those guys might not be convicted. Another one of the police is the Freddie Gray decided to take a bench trial, after the judge acquitted the other two. So it could turn out that no one was responsible for the death of Freddie Gray, despite him being in police custody. If people feel this helpless against the power of the state and have no remedy, it will get a lot worse before it gets better. The first step is realizing, that we, the people have no power in this country! It's irrelevant who'll be the next president, that whole voting thing only exists to give us the idea, that we have freedom of choice. The real owners of this country, the big wealthy fucks, that control everything (media, politicians,...) don't give 2 shits about us and that's why it'll only get worse. okay next step? Get police to understand that the reason that everyone is angry at police nation wide is that they refuse to call out their own. I just listened to a radio interview with a police officer about the video and the host couldn't' even get the office to say it looked bad. The officer was so interested in protecting himself and "police" that he couldn't just say "that looks bad." I don't know how they expect people to continue to have faith in police when it is so clear they protect their own before the communities they work for. This is how terrible civil unrest starts. But absent that, a third party agency in every state that monitors the police and forces them to report on the use of force. ![[image loading]](http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/qxpeifqhdkwtivwbtojbna.png) Confidence is essentially back to where it was before a series of highly publicized incidents involving white police officers and young black men in several communities across the country. I'd expect public opinion to go down and stay down if majorities are still waiting for police to call out their own. If however recent cases have de-legitimized this case for police aloofness amongst widespread unjustified brutality, I'd expect people to continue to respect or tolerate the po-po. On July 07 2016 01:23 thePunGun wrote:okay
next step? Step 2: Homer J. Simpson put it best: “Kids, You Tried Your Best and You Failed Miserably. The Lesson Is Never Try!”  How did Trump become the nominee? Trump is one of the 1%ers, that control everything! Nothing will change! You think he'll build a wall?? Ask those poor suckers, who "graduated" Trump University about broken promises!  He's asking if people have no power, how did they choose the Republican nominee? You might not like him, you might think those who voted for him are "poor suckers" like your students, but it is people showing their power to make a choice, of which they had I think seventeen choices. Your opinion that they made a bad choice because of an elite conspiracy is frankly less valid than saying you think they made a bad choice with no conspiracy, the people voting being stupid generally. I'm not saying it's a good or bad choice, all I'm saying is: It won't matter who ultimately will be the president. He/she will just be the new face of the same old establishment agenda. I have some sympathies on aspects of your arguments. Elected politicians typically go to Washington D.C. and change to the culture there, such as passing pork and growing the size of government if they were elected on the merits of limited government. They are more considerate on money, power, and incumbency than representing the views of the base that elected them. Also, the bureaucracy is relatively insulated from votes and electoral accountability, and can continue to pursue their own agendas like diminishing the fossil fuel industry (EPA) and private land rights (EPA, BLM). I do not like the size of the fourth branch of the federal government and it has taken away power that should be reserved to the states and people and sometimes Congress and the courts.
However, the agenda is not completely uniform. Trump, you assert, would fail to build a wall. Clinton is radically opposed to the idea at the outset. Trump would be serving his best interests in re-election to build the wall, though the American taxpayer would likely pay for it. He'll likely go against the establishment agreements on largely unregulated trade towards protectionist policy, as much as it pains me to say. The presidential election is a choice, a unified establishment agenda is not advanced regardless of who wins, and it is a strong example of remaining political power in the people distributed amongst the states. Taken in the aggregate, the primary process (I think 17 candidates), and future elections for Congress and President, offer wide-ranging choice.
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On July 07 2016 03:09 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2016 01:32 Plansix wrote:
Get police to understand that the reason that everyone is angry at police nation wide is that they refuse to call out their own. I just listened to a radio interview with a police officer about the video and the host couldn't' even get the office to say it looked bad. The officer was so interested in protecting himself and "police" that he couldn't just say "that looks bad."
It literally goes both ways with the vast majority of reasonable people refusing to criticize their own radicals faults. This is politics 101 and why everything is getting more and more polarized in the age of mass information. People aren't wise enough to handle the knowledge they've been given access to.
yeah, that's a pretty intellectually questionable misdirection to try to generalize a specific interation of a flaw of a specific system that's supposed to be held to a decent standard to literally everyone
of course everyone has that flaw; of course everyone needs to work on their flaws
you just felt like repeating a talking point we're all probably aware of
you're doing the same thing as i talked about earlier, where one points at the dumb people and their flaws rather than addressing the gems hiding amongst the shit
there will always be dumb people to point at; it's not a good turn of conversation to point out they still exist
it's superioritycomplex 101 to point out the obvious flaws of echo chambers and circlejerking; it only puts you one level above them. in fact, it's already become a circlejerk to complain about echo chambers and circlejerking. to actually contribute something, you need to suggest something realistic, not a shout your identification of general flaw at a group of people who probably won't listen, especially given the way you put it, because the way you put it is a monument to your ego, not a bonafide attempt at improving things.
i'm superioritycomplex 102, sit down and welcome to class.
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On July 07 2016 03:04 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2016 02:59 Naracs_Duc wrote:On July 07 2016 02:47 kapibara-san wrote:
it's naive to believe that you're entitled to more political power than you have just because of some propagandistic description of how civics in america is "supposed to work"
in fact it's an unnecessary artificial delineation to even consider the discrepancy between the possible scope of your influence within politics vs outside of it, as if you're entitled to more influence in the politics of your own nation/state because of idealistic words
the words dont govern the nation, the people interpreting them and reinterpreting them and "mis"interpreting them do
if you want to be a big influence you have to go hard anyway
expecting that your vote or your tone-deaf campaign should accomplish more than it does is just another form of naive idealism
if your goal is to make those things more meaningful again, you still have to go about that goal with a realistic view of human emotions, human influence, and human power structures... and ignore all the ideals of "how it's supposed to be." look at how it is, and deal with it. Actually--that's exactly what my step 1 said. Liberals don't vote, conservatives do, so we always have a government that seems more conservative than the liberal population. The reason? When push comes to shove, people only like the idea of helping others. When it comes time to vote on putting their taxes where their mouths are they don't show up because humans are naturally evil creatures, selfish and malevolent destroyers of all things they don't understand--but they want to feel like good guys. So they yell loudly that they want to be liberals, don't show up to vote, and blame an evil system for performing exactly how they allow it to perform so that they can take joy from the pain of others. do you have citations for liberals voting less than conservatives? I don't recall noticing such in general, at least not to a strong degree.
"If everybody in this country voted,” the economist John Kenneth Galbraith said, “the Democrats would be in for the next 100 years.” There is strong evidence to support his claim. A 2007 study by Jan Leighley and Jonathan Nagler found that nonvoters are more economically liberal than voters, preferring government health insurance, easier union organizing and more federal spending on schools. Nonvoters preferred Barack Obama to Mitt Romney by 59 percent to 24 percent, while likely voters were split 47 percent for each, according to a 2012 Pew Research Center poll. Nonvoters are far less likely to identify as Republican, and voters tend to be more opposed to redistribution than nonvoters. One source with decent links for further reading
Progressives/liberals winning presidential elections with higher across-the-board turnout is relatively noncontroversial. Look at any election in the last twenty years from perspective of polling eligible voters vs likely voters. Enough swing states go Dem every time. It's one of the things pushing pollster's turnout predictions into higher and higher importance.
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On July 07 2016 03:09 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2016 01:32 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2016 01:13 kapibara-san wrote:On July 07 2016 01:13 thePunGun wrote:On July 07 2016 00:39 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2016 00:30 ticklishmusic wrote:
I'd like anyone who's said that minorities made up stuff about police brutality to please stand up Its like all the work with community policing done after the 70s and early 80s is undone. And the worst part is that those guys might not be convicted. Another one of the police is the Freddie Gray decided to take a bench trial, after the judge acquitted the other two. So it could turn out that no one was responsible for the death of Freddie Gray, despite him being in police custody. If people feel this helpless against the power of the state and have no remedy, it will get a lot worse before it gets better. The first step is realizing, that we, the people have no power in this country! It's irrelevant who'll be the next president, that whole voting thing only exists to give us the idea, that we have freedom of choice. The real owners of this country, the big wealthy fucks, that control everything (media, politicians,...) don't give 2 shits about us and that's why it'll only get worse. okay next step? Get police to understand that the reason that everyone is angry at police nation wide is that they refuse to call out their own. I just listened to a radio interview with a police officer about the video and the host couldn't' even get the office to say it looked bad. The officer was so interested in protecting himself and "police" that he couldn't just say "that looks bad." It literally goes both ways with the vast majority of reasonable people refusing to criticize their own radicals faults. This is politics 101 and why everything is getting more and more polarized in the age of mass information. People aren't wise enough to handle the knowledge they've been given access to.
The vast majority of reasonable people do not work in a public role model role like the police tho.
The entire justice system works on the basis public trust. That trust has to be earned and maintained. The continued closing of ranks in the face of overwhelming evidence has eroded that trust and lead to the police hate we see today.
When a suspect dies in police custody someone has fucked up.
When a suspect gets strangled to death by police using an illegal choke hold someone fucked up.
When a young child with a bb-gun is gunned down within 2 seconds of an officer arriving on the scene someone fucked up.
When a cuffed man gets executed like a bad gangster movie someone fucked up.
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On July 07 2016 03:09 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2016 01:32 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2016 01:13 kapibara-san wrote:On July 07 2016 01:13 thePunGun wrote:On July 07 2016 00:39 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2016 00:30 ticklishmusic wrote:
I'd like anyone who's said that minorities made up stuff about police brutality to please stand up Its like all the work with community policing done after the 70s and early 80s is undone. And the worst part is that those guys might not be convicted. Another one of the police is the Freddie Gray decided to take a bench trial, after the judge acquitted the other two. So it could turn out that no one was responsible for the death of Freddie Gray, despite him being in police custody. If people feel this helpless against the power of the state and have no remedy, it will get a lot worse before it gets better. The first step is realizing, that we, the people have no power in this country! It's irrelevant who'll be the next president, that whole voting thing only exists to give us the idea, that we have freedom of choice. The real owners of this country, the big wealthy fucks, that control everything (media, politicians,...) don't give 2 shits about us and that's why it'll only get worse. okay next step? Get police to understand that the reason that everyone is angry at police nation wide is that they refuse to call out their own. I just listened to a radio interview with a police officer about the video and the host couldn't' even get the office to say it looked bad. The officer was so interested in protecting himself and "police" that he couldn't just say "that looks bad." It literally goes both ways with the vast majority of reasonable people refusing to criticize their own radicals faults. This is politics 101 and why everything is getting more and more polarized in the age of mass information. People aren't wise enough to handle the knowledge they've been given access to.
Its also the age of mass misinformation which isn't helping anything.
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On July 07 2016 03:25 OuchyDathurts wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2016 03:09 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 07 2016 01:32 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2016 01:13 kapibara-san wrote:On July 07 2016 01:13 thePunGun wrote:On July 07 2016 00:39 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2016 00:30 ticklishmusic wrote:
I'd like anyone who's said that minorities made up stuff about police brutality to please stand up Its like all the work with community policing done after the 70s and early 80s is undone. And the worst part is that those guys might not be convicted. Another one of the police is the Freddie Gray decided to take a bench trial, after the judge acquitted the other two. So it could turn out that no one was responsible for the death of Freddie Gray, despite him being in police custody. If people feel this helpless against the power of the state and have no remedy, it will get a lot worse before it gets better. The first step is realizing, that we, the people have no power in this country! It's irrelevant who'll be the next president, that whole voting thing only exists to give us the idea, that we have freedom of choice. The real owners of this country, the big wealthy fucks, that control everything (media, politicians,...) don't give 2 shits about us and that's why it'll only get worse. okay next step? Get police to understand that the reason that everyone is angry at police nation wide is that they refuse to call out their own. I just listened to a radio interview with a police officer about the video and the host couldn't' even get the office to say it looked bad. The officer was so interested in protecting himself and "police" that he couldn't just say "that looks bad." It literally goes both ways with the vast majority of reasonable people refusing to criticize their own radicals faults. This is politics 101 and why everything is getting more and more polarized in the age of mass information. People aren't wise enough to handle the knowledge they've been given access to. Its also the age of mass misinformation which isn't helping anything.
why do people continue to think that pointing out obvious issues in low-effort posts does anything but encourage circlejerking
maybe there just wasn't much conscious thought at all
it's just the age of mass loweffort circlejerking which isn't helping anything
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On July 07 2016 03:20 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2016 03:04 zlefin wrote:On July 07 2016 02:59 Naracs_Duc wrote:On July 07 2016 02:47 kapibara-san wrote:
it's naive to believe that you're entitled to more political power than you have just because of some propagandistic description of how civics in america is "supposed to work"
in fact it's an unnecessary artificial delineation to even consider the discrepancy between the possible scope of your influence within politics vs outside of it, as if you're entitled to more influence in the politics of your own nation/state because of idealistic words
the words dont govern the nation, the people interpreting them and reinterpreting them and "mis"interpreting them do
if you want to be a big influence you have to go hard anyway
expecting that your vote or your tone-deaf campaign should accomplish more than it does is just another form of naive idealism
if your goal is to make those things more meaningful again, you still have to go about that goal with a realistic view of human emotions, human influence, and human power structures... and ignore all the ideals of "how it's supposed to be." look at how it is, and deal with it. Actually--that's exactly what my step 1 said. Liberals don't vote, conservatives do, so we always have a government that seems more conservative than the liberal population. The reason? When push comes to shove, people only like the idea of helping others. When it comes time to vote on putting their taxes where their mouths are they don't show up because humans are naturally evil creatures, selfish and malevolent destroyers of all things they don't understand--but they want to feel like good guys. So they yell loudly that they want to be liberals, don't show up to vote, and blame an evil system for performing exactly how they allow it to perform so that they can take joy from the pain of others. do you have citations for liberals voting less than conservatives? I don't recall noticing such in general, at least not to a strong degree. Show nested quote +"If everybody in this country voted,” the economist John Kenneth Galbraith said, “the Democrats would be in for the next 100 years.” There is strong evidence to support his claim. A 2007 study by Jan Leighley and Jonathan Nagler found that nonvoters are more economically liberal than voters, preferring government health insurance, easier union organizing and more federal spending on schools. Nonvoters preferred Barack Obama to Mitt Romney by 59 percent to 24 percent, while likely voters were split 47 percent for each, according to a 2012 Pew Research Center poll. Nonvoters are far less likely to identify as Republican, and voters tend to be more opposed to redistribution than nonvoters. One source with decent links for further readingProgressives/liberals winning presidential elections with higher across-the-board turnout is relatively noncontroversial. Look at any election in the last twenty years from perspective of polling eligible voters vs likely voters. Enough swing states go Dem every time. It's one of the things pushing pollster's turnout predictions into higher and higher importance.
very interesting. I wonder what % of those effects is due to age variance in voters vs non-voters.
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On July 07 2016 03:27 kapibara-san wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2016 03:25 OuchyDathurts wrote:On July 07 2016 03:09 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 07 2016 01:32 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2016 01:13 kapibara-san wrote:On July 07 2016 01:13 thePunGun wrote:On July 07 2016 00:39 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2016 00:30 ticklishmusic wrote:
I'd like anyone who's said that minorities made up stuff about police brutality to please stand up Its like all the work with community policing done after the 70s and early 80s is undone. And the worst part is that those guys might not be convicted. Another one of the police is the Freddie Gray decided to take a bench trial, after the judge acquitted the other two. So it could turn out that no one was responsible for the death of Freddie Gray, despite him being in police custody. If people feel this helpless against the power of the state and have no remedy, it will get a lot worse before it gets better. The first step is realizing, that we, the people have no power in this country! It's irrelevant who'll be the next president, that whole voting thing only exists to give us the idea, that we have freedom of choice. The real owners of this country, the big wealthy fucks, that control everything (media, politicians,...) don't give 2 shits about us and that's why it'll only get worse. okay next step? Get police to understand that the reason that everyone is angry at police nation wide is that they refuse to call out their own. I just listened to a radio interview with a police officer about the video and the host couldn't' even get the office to say it looked bad. The officer was so interested in protecting himself and "police" that he couldn't just say "that looks bad." It literally goes both ways with the vast majority of reasonable people refusing to criticize their own radicals faults. This is politics 101 and why everything is getting more and more polarized in the age of mass information. People aren't wise enough to handle the knowledge they've been given access to. Its also the age of mass misinformation which isn't helping anything. why do people continue to think that pointing out obvious issues in low-effort posts does anything but encourage circlejerking maybe there just wasn't much conscious thought at all it's just the age of mass loweffort circlejerking which isn't helping anything
Notice how no one has replied to any of your posts yet? Maybe your posts aren't as intellectual as you think they are.
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On July 07 2016 03:30 OuchyDathurts wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2016 03:27 kapibara-san wrote:On July 07 2016 03:25 OuchyDathurts wrote:On July 07 2016 03:09 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 07 2016 01:32 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2016 01:13 kapibara-san wrote:On July 07 2016 01:13 thePunGun wrote:On July 07 2016 00:39 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2016 00:30 ticklishmusic wrote:
I'd like anyone who's said that minorities made up stuff about police brutality to please stand up Its like all the work with community policing done after the 70s and early 80s is undone. And the worst part is that those guys might not be convicted. Another one of the police is the Freddie Gray decided to take a bench trial, after the judge acquitted the other two. So it could turn out that no one was responsible for the death of Freddie Gray, despite him being in police custody. If people feel this helpless against the power of the state and have no remedy, it will get a lot worse before it gets better. The first step is realizing, that we, the people have no power in this country! It's irrelevant who'll be the next president, that whole voting thing only exists to give us the idea, that we have freedom of choice. The real owners of this country, the big wealthy fucks, that control everything (media, politicians,...) don't give 2 shits about us and that's why it'll only get worse. okay next step? Get police to understand that the reason that everyone is angry at police nation wide is that they refuse to call out their own. I just listened to a radio interview with a police officer about the video and the host couldn't' even get the office to say it looked bad. The officer was so interested in protecting himself and "police" that he couldn't just say "that looks bad." It literally goes both ways with the vast majority of reasonable people refusing to criticize their own radicals faults. This is politics 101 and why everything is getting more and more polarized in the age of mass information. People aren't wise enough to handle the knowledge they've been given access to. Its also the age of mass misinformation which isn't helping anything. why do people continue to think that pointing out obvious issues in low-effort posts does anything but encourage circlejerking maybe there just wasn't much conscious thought at all it's just the age of mass loweffort circlejerking which isn't helping anything Notice how no one has replied to any of your posts yet? Maybe your posts aren't as intellectual as you think they are.
that's why you're going for the personal attack and i'm addressing a more pertinent and less-discussed issue than the posts i'm responding to, right?
has nothing to do with the fact that i'm actually introducing at least comparatively new thoughts by rightfully admonishing worthless overused ones
maybe what you think of as shaming pseudo-intellectualism in your head is actually you being anti-intellectual out of your hurt feelings
Poll: are echo-chambers an overused complaint?no, but if you're going to complain, you might as well add something new (5) 50% yes (4) 40% no (1) 10% 10 total votes Your vote: are echo-chambers an overused complaint? (Vote): yes
(Vote): no
(Vote): no, but if you're going to complain, you might as well add something new
Poll: is mass misinformation an overused complaint?no, but if you're going to complain, you might as well add something new (6) 55% yes (5) 45% no (0) 0% 11 total votes Your vote: is mass misinformation an overused complaint? (Vote): yes
(Vote): no
(Vote): no, but if you're going to complain, you might as well add something new
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On July 07 2016 03:31 kapibara-san wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2016 03:30 OuchyDathurts wrote:On July 07 2016 03:27 kapibara-san wrote:On July 07 2016 03:25 OuchyDathurts wrote:On July 07 2016 03:09 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 07 2016 01:32 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2016 01:13 kapibara-san wrote:On July 07 2016 01:13 thePunGun wrote:On July 07 2016 00:39 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2016 00:30 ticklishmusic wrote:
I'd like anyone who's said that minorities made up stuff about police brutality to please stand up Its like all the work with community policing done after the 70s and early 80s is undone. And the worst part is that those guys might not be convicted. Another one of the police is the Freddie Gray decided to take a bench trial, after the judge acquitted the other two. So it could turn out that no one was responsible for the death of Freddie Gray, despite him being in police custody. If people feel this helpless against the power of the state and have no remedy, it will get a lot worse before it gets better. The first step is realizing, that we, the people have no power in this country! It's irrelevant who'll be the next president, that whole voting thing only exists to give us the idea, that we have freedom of choice. The real owners of this country, the big wealthy fucks, that control everything (media, politicians,...) don't give 2 shits about us and that's why it'll only get worse. okay next step? Get police to understand that the reason that everyone is angry at police nation wide is that they refuse to call out their own. I just listened to a radio interview with a police officer about the video and the host couldn't' even get the office to say it looked bad. The officer was so interested in protecting himself and "police" that he couldn't just say "that looks bad." It literally goes both ways with the vast majority of reasonable people refusing to criticize their own radicals faults. This is politics 101 and why everything is getting more and more polarized in the age of mass information. People aren't wise enough to handle the knowledge they've been given access to. Its also the age of mass misinformation which isn't helping anything. why do people continue to think that pointing out obvious issues in low-effort posts does anything but encourage circlejerking maybe there just wasn't much conscious thought at all it's just the age of mass loweffort circlejerking which isn't helping anything Notice how no one has replied to any of your posts yet? Maybe your posts aren't as intellectual as you think they are. that's why you're going for the personal attack and i'm addressing a more pertinent and less-discussed issue than the posts i'm responding to, right? has nothing to do with the fact that i'm actually introducing at least comparatively new thoughts by rightfully admonishing worthless overused ones Maybe do less of that. Your ongoing commentary on peoples posting isn’t that interesting. Most of the people in this thread have been posting here for months or years, so its not really necessary either.
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On July 07 2016 03:34 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2016 03:31 kapibara-san wrote:On July 07 2016 03:30 OuchyDathurts wrote:On July 07 2016 03:27 kapibara-san wrote:On July 07 2016 03:25 OuchyDathurts wrote:On July 07 2016 03:09 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 07 2016 01:32 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2016 01:13 kapibara-san wrote:On July 07 2016 01:13 thePunGun wrote:On July 07 2016 00:39 Plansix wrote:
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Its like all the work with community policing done after the 70s and early 80s is undone. And the worst part is that those guys might not be convicted. Another one of the police is the Freddie Gray decided to take a bench trial, after the judge acquitted the other two. So it could turn out that no one was responsible for the death of Freddie Gray, despite him being in police custody.
If people feel this helpless against the power of the state and have no remedy, it will get a lot worse before it gets better.
The first step is realizing, that we, the people have no power in this country! It's irrelevant who'll be the next president, that whole voting thing only exists to give us the idea, that we have freedom of choice. The real owners of this country, the big wealthy fucks, that control everything (media, politicians,...) don't give 2 shits about us and that's why it'll only get worse. okay next step? Get police to understand that the reason that everyone is angry at police nation wide is that they refuse to call out their own. I just listened to a radio interview with a police officer about the video and the host couldn't' even get the office to say it looked bad. The officer was so interested in protecting himself and "police" that he couldn't just say "that looks bad." It literally goes both ways with the vast majority of reasonable people refusing to criticize their own radicals faults. This is politics 101 and why everything is getting more and more polarized in the age of mass information. People aren't wise enough to handle the knowledge they've been given access to. Its also the age of mass misinformation which isn't helping anything. why do people continue to think that pointing out obvious issues in low-effort posts does anything but encourage circlejerking maybe there just wasn't much conscious thought at all it's just the age of mass loweffort circlejerking which isn't helping anything Notice how no one has replied to any of your posts yet? Maybe your posts aren't as intellectual as you think they are. that's why you're going for the personal attack and i'm addressing a more pertinent and less-discussed issue than the posts i'm responding to, right? has nothing to do with the fact that i'm actually introducing at least comparatively new thoughts by rightfully admonishing worthless overused ones Maybe do less of that. Your ongoing commentary on peoples posting isn’t that interesting. Most of the people in this thread have been posting here for months or years, so its not really necessary either.
the posting itself isn't that interesting... are you really defending the posts? if you have an issue with my angle, please, articulate it. if you have an issue with any of my premises or conclusions, please, articulate them.
if i'm wrong, then i'd like to know how, and if i'm not wrong, then maybe people should stop posting such basic low-effort stuff.
have you guys considered it's more pseudointellectual to respond to things you have responses completely ready for than to stop and think about stuff that seems strange or offputting to you at first, that you don't have an easy response for?
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On July 07 2016 03:37 kapibara-san wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2016 03:34 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2016 03:31 kapibara-san wrote:On July 07 2016 03:30 OuchyDathurts wrote:On July 07 2016 03:27 kapibara-san wrote:On July 07 2016 03:25 OuchyDathurts wrote:On July 07 2016 03:09 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 07 2016 01:32 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2016 01:13 kapibara-san wrote:On July 07 2016 01:13 thePunGun wrote:
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The first step is realizing, that we, the people have no power in this country! It's irrelevant who'll be the next president, that whole voting thing only exists to give us the idea, that we have freedom of choice. The real owners of this country, the big wealthy fucks, that control everything (media, politicians,...) don't give 2 shits about us and that's why it'll only get worse. okay next step? Get police to understand that the reason that everyone is angry at police nation wide is that they refuse to call out their own. I just listened to a radio interview with a police officer about the video and the host couldn't' even get the office to say it looked bad. The officer was so interested in protecting himself and "police" that he couldn't just say "that looks bad." It literally goes both ways with the vast majority of reasonable people refusing to criticize their own radicals faults. This is politics 101 and why everything is getting more and more polarized in the age of mass information. People aren't wise enough to handle the knowledge they've been given access to. Its also the age of mass misinformation which isn't helping anything. why do people continue to think that pointing out obvious issues in low-effort posts does anything but encourage circlejerking maybe there just wasn't much conscious thought at all it's just the age of mass loweffort circlejerking which isn't helping anything Notice how no one has replied to any of your posts yet? Maybe your posts aren't as intellectual as you think they are. that's why you're going for the personal attack and i'm addressing a more pertinent and less-discussed issue than the posts i'm responding to, right? has nothing to do with the fact that i'm actually introducing at least comparatively new thoughts by rightfully admonishing worthless overused ones Maybe do less of that. Your ongoing commentary on peoples posting isn’t that interesting. Most of the people in this thread have been posting here for months or years, so its not really necessary either. the posting itself isn't that interesting... are you really defending the posts? if you have an issue with my angle, please, articulate it. if you have an issue with any of my premises or conclusions, please, articulate them. if i'm wrong, then i'd like to know how, and if i'm not wrong, then maybe people should stop posting such basic low-effort stuff. have you guys considered it's more pseudointellectual to respond to things you have responses completely ready for than to stop and think about stuff that seems strange or offputting to you at first, that you don't have an easy response for?
Leave moderation to the mods and stop calling out posts that don’t live up to your standards and we will all be fine.
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On July 07 2016 03:39 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2016 03:37 kapibara-san wrote:On July 07 2016 03:34 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2016 03:31 kapibara-san wrote:On July 07 2016 03:30 OuchyDathurts wrote:On July 07 2016 03:27 kapibara-san wrote:On July 07 2016 03:25 OuchyDathurts wrote:On July 07 2016 03:09 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 07 2016 01:32 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2016 01:13 kapibara-san wrote:
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okay
next step? Get police to understand that the reason that everyone is angry at police nation wide is that they refuse to call out their own. I just listened to a radio interview with a police officer about the video and the host couldn't' even get the office to say it looked bad. The officer was so interested in protecting himself and "police" that he couldn't just say "that looks bad." It literally goes both ways with the vast majority of reasonable people refusing to criticize their own radicals faults. This is politics 101 and why everything is getting more and more polarized in the age of mass information. People aren't wise enough to handle the knowledge they've been given access to. Its also the age of mass misinformation which isn't helping anything. why do people continue to think that pointing out obvious issues in low-effort posts does anything but encourage circlejerking maybe there just wasn't much conscious thought at all it's just the age of mass loweffort circlejerking which isn't helping anything Notice how no one has replied to any of your posts yet? Maybe your posts aren't as intellectual as you think they are. that's why you're going for the personal attack and i'm addressing a more pertinent and less-discussed issue than the posts i'm responding to, right? has nothing to do with the fact that i'm actually introducing at least comparatively new thoughts by rightfully admonishing worthless overused ones Maybe do less of that. Your ongoing commentary on peoples posting isn’t that interesting. Most of the people in this thread have been posting here for months or years, so its not really necessary either. the posting itself isn't that interesting... are you really defending the posts? if you have an issue with my angle, please, articulate it. if you have an issue with any of my premises or conclusions, please, articulate them. if i'm wrong, then i'd like to know how, and if i'm not wrong, then maybe people should stop posting such basic low-effort stuff. have you guys considered it's more pseudointellectual to respond to things you have responses completely ready for than to stop and think about stuff that seems strange or offputting to you at first, that you don't have an easy response for? Leave moderation to the mods and stop calling out posts that don’t live up to your standards and we will all be fine.
it's not about literally moderating and punishing them for low effort
its calling them out for what i consider bad intellectual habits and giving them a chance to defend the merit of their posts
why is it taken for granted that every (non-personal attack non-meme) post is sacred and the act of posting it is, at the least, unassailable?
by the original definition of meme, the posts i called out were certainly overused memes with very little room for discussion, especially given the fact that they made no attempts to foster discussion. i feel compelled to emphasize that it's not backseat modding because i'm attempting to appeal to the posters' free will, not saying that what they're posting should be inherently disallowed. if they didnt express those thoughts in the first place, i wouldn't have been able to express my thoughts that their habitual expression of those thoughts (sans attempt at getting something new out of bringing it up) is itself an issue.
EDIT: also have to point out the irony of you attempting to moderate my posting as a not-mod
i'm bringing up actual points about the issues of cliche complaints in political discussions that tend to lead nowhere and 1. OuchyDatHurts and 2. Plansix make literally 0 attempt at addressing the content and 1. ODH personally insults me with a one-liner telling me i'm not intellectual and 2. P6 attempts to shame me by telling me my posts arent interesting, as if he's the arbiter of interesting, and tells me to stop pointing out flaws in other peoples posts as if that isn't essentially the point of this thread, if not at least a staple
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