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On July 07 2016 00:30 ticklishmusic wrote: I'd like anyone who's said that minorities made up stuff about police brutality to please stand up
Its like all the work with community policing done after the 70s and early 80s is undone. And the worst part is that those guys might not be convicted. Another one of the police is the Freddie Gray decided to take a bench trial, after the judge acquitted the other two. So it could turn out that no one was responsible for the death of Freddie Gray, despite him being in police custody.
If people feel this helpless against the power of the state and have no remedy, it will get a lot worse before it gets better.
The first step is realizing, that we, the people have no power in this country! It's irrelevant who'll be the next president, that whole voting thing only exists to give us the idea, that we have freedom of choice. The real owners of this country, the big wealthy fucks, that control everything (media, politicians,...) don't give 2 shits about us and that's why it'll only get worse.
okay
next step?
Get police to understand that the reason that everyone is angry at police nation wide is that they refuse to call out their own. I just listened to a radio interview with a police officer about the video and the host couldn't' even get the office to say it looked bad. The officer was so interested in protecting himself and "police" that he couldn't just say "that looks bad."
I don't know how they expect people to continue to have faith in police when it is so clear they protect their own before the communities they work for. This is how terrible civil unrest starts.
But absent that, a third party agency in every state that monitors the police and forces them to report on the use of force.
Confidence is essentially back to where it was before a series of highly publicized incidents involving white police officers and young black men in several communities across the country.
I'd expect public opinion to go down and stay down if majorities are still waiting for police to call out their own. If however recent cases have de-legitimized this case for police aloofness amongst widespread unjustified brutality, I'd expect people to continue to respect or tolerate the po-po.
Trump is one of the 1%ers, that control everything! Nothing will change! You think he'll build a wall?? Ask those poor suckers, who "graduated" Trump University about broken promises!
He's asking if people have no power, how did they choose the Republican nominee? You might not like him, you might think those who voted for him are "poor suckers" like your students, but it is people showing their power to make a choice, of which they had I think seventeen choices. Your opinion that they made a bad choice because of an elite conspiracy is frankly less valid than saying you think they made a bad choice with no conspiracy, the people voting being stupid generally.
On July 07 2016 00:30 ticklishmusic wrote: I'd like anyone who's said that minorities made up stuff about police brutality to please stand up
Its like all the work with community policing done after the 70s and early 80s is undone. And the worst part is that those guys might not be convicted. Another one of the police is the Freddie Gray decided to take a bench trial, after the judge acquitted the other two. So it could turn out that no one was responsible for the death of Freddie Gray, despite him being in police custody.
If people feel this helpless against the power of the state and have no remedy, it will get a lot worse before it gets better.
The first step is realizing, that we, the people have no power in this country! It's irrelevant who'll be the next president, that whole voting thing only exists to give us the idea, that we have freedom of choice (we don't). The real owners of this country, the big wealthy fucks, that control everything (media, politicians,...) don't give 2 shits about us and that's why it'll only get worse.
Yeah, except that the voices that vote the most often keeps having a party that pushes the agendas we all know that party supports. The biggest problem with most liberals is that its all or nothing. Either they win the presidency, or why vote at all. Then they wonder why the conservatives who vote on everything keeps getting policies that support their beliefs passed in local jurisdictions.
For the most part, the first step is realizing that Conservatives will win more often because they actually have people who vote.
On July 07 2016 00:30 ticklishmusic wrote: I'd like anyone who's said that minorities made up stuff about police brutality to please stand up
Given that they often defend a person who punched a police officer and got a response as an "unarmed minority brutalized by the police" it's not hard to see why people might not buy their argument. They can't self-filter the justified from unjustified cases and that severely undermines any real issues they try to bring up.
uh theres been plenty of "real issue" examples that are easy to find if you aren't lazy and simply expecting to be spoon fed the entire case against police immunity to criminal charges for gross misconduct
That's not the problem. The problem is when you don't filter the shitty cases from the real cases, people start to wonder whether you have any real cases at all.
yea and like i said it's an issue of laziness for those people to not figure it out on their own if they had any intention of giving the issue a fair shot (many dont)
On July 07 2016 00:30 ticklishmusic wrote: I'd like anyone who's said that minorities made up stuff about police brutality to please stand up
Given that they often defend a person who punched a police officer and got a response as an "unarmed minority brutalized by the police" it's not hard to see why people might not buy their argument. They can't self-filter the justified from unjustified cases and that severely undermines any real issues they try to bring up.
people make a big deal of shitty examples, but the only ones using those shitty examples as evidence that the problem isn't worth dealing with at all are the ones who tend not to mind that minorities are getting brutalized, usually because of personal prejudice / "they comprise disproportionate crime and kill each other all the time" -> (they deserve it) (the usually unspoken implication)
Not really true. A lot of people are somewhere in the middle and could be swayed by a good argument, but will be deterred by shitty arguments and shitty fake abuse cases. There's a huge middle ground between "all police officers are shitty and even shitty cases for abuse are valid" and "police officers are always right and all cases of abuse are shitty and fake."
still laziness to not look for the good, balanced arguments. still looking to be spoon-fed
On July 07 2016 00:30 ticklishmusic wrote: I'd like anyone who's said that minorities made up stuff about police brutality to please stand up
Given that they often defend a person who punched a police officer and got a response as an "unarmed minority brutalized by the police" it's not hard to see why people might not buy their argument. They can't self-filter the justified from unjustified cases and that severely undermines any real issues they try to bring up.
not going to pretend poor minority culture (as well as poor white culture) isn't a big issue in general, but they don't have the legal right to kill people on our tax money... cops do...
You don't get to fix that by acting shitty about it or by issuing universal condemnations of our law enforcement. A lot of people respect the organization that protects people from crime and will not be interested in the terrible way a lot of the minority community has gone about addressing this issue.
i'm going to talk about this issue in general
if you are actually considering whether or not you care about something, you go straight to looking for the most intelligent commentary on the subject. if you find lots of unintelligent commentary, you brush it off and keep looking. it's a sign of emotional weakness to take that shit personally and generalize dumb shit to being the entire story of the issue. maybe some people get frustrated and give up... that's impatience. that's throwing the baby out with the bathwater. 90% of everything is shit, if you use that fact to disregard the fact that the 10% exists, then you're just lazy.
i'm lazy so i'm a hypocrite and i don't actually intend on putting much effort into stopping police misconduct, but in a way, you're demonstrating the issue on a meta-level. lots of people respond badly to the bad responses... doesn't mean you should ignore the good responses of the people who look for the good responses. and by all means, if you find them, propagate them. shitting on the shit is just easy and boring. dumb responses to everything are inevitable. it's not a good reason not to look for good responses.
Evidently the solution to issues that require widespread public support is to call the opposition lazy.
On July 07 2016 00:30 ticklishmusic wrote: I'd like anyone who's said that minorities made up stuff about police brutality to please stand up
Its like all the work with community policing done after the 70s and early 80s is undone. And the worst part is that those guys might not be convicted. Another one of the police is the Freddie Gray decided to take a bench trial, after the judge acquitted the other two. So it could turn out that no one was responsible for the death of Freddie Gray, despite him being in police custody.
If people feel this helpless against the power of the state and have no remedy, it will get a lot worse before it gets better.
The first step is realizing, that we, the people have no power in this country! It's irrelevant who'll be the next president, that whole voting thing only exists to give us the idea, that we have freedom of choice (we don't). The real owners of this country, the big wealthy fucks, that control everything (media, politicians,...) don't give 2 shits about us and that's why it'll only get worse.
Yeah, except that the voices that vote the most often keeps having a party that pushes the agendas we all know that party supports. The biggest problem with most liberals is that its all or nothing. Either they win the presidency, or why vote at all. Then they wonder why the conservatives who vote on everything keeps getting policies that support their beliefs passed in local jurisdictions.
For the most part, the first step is realizing that Conservatives will win more often because they actually have people who vote.
also gerrymandered districts for keeping the house forever
On July 07 2016 00:30 ticklishmusic wrote: I'd like anyone who's said that minorities made up stuff about police brutality to please stand up
Its like all the work with community policing done after the 70s and early 80s is undone. And the worst part is that those guys might not be convicted. Another one of the police is the Freddie Gray decided to take a bench trial, after the judge acquitted the other two. So it could turn out that no one was responsible for the death of Freddie Gray, despite him being in police custody.
If people feel this helpless against the power of the state and have no remedy, it will get a lot worse before it gets better.
The first step is realizing, that we, the people have no power in this country! It's irrelevant who'll be the next president, that whole voting thing only exists to give us the idea, that we have freedom of choice. The real owners of this country, the big wealthy fucks, that control everything (media, politicians,...) don't give 2 shits about us and that's why it'll only get worse.
okay
next step?
Get police to understand that the reason that everyone is angry at police nation wide is that they refuse to call out their own. I just listened to a radio interview with a police officer about the video and the host couldn't' even get the office to say it looked bad. The officer was so interested in protecting himself and "police" that he couldn't just say "that looks bad."
I don't know how they expect people to continue to have faith in police when it is so clear they protect their own before the communities they work for. This is how terrible civil unrest starts.
But absent that, a third party agency in every state that monitors the police and forces them to report on the use of force.
I must admit I don't the details of the specific example you brought up (I'll scroll back in a minute and try to find out what is going on) but in general I agree that "institutional protection" or "esprit de corps" or whatever you want to call it is a big problem for law enforcement (and military in a slightly different way). The idea that no matter what someone has done you need to stick together in public and defend the institution is one of the most toxic things regarding trust of the public. In the last 20 years we have seen how much trust the catholic church has lost because it became obvious that they were systematically protecting child abusers. While the scandal and the new pope has regained some of that trust, they will never in my lifetime get it back to the level where it was when I was a child.
We are seeing similar problems with the police here, they feel that they have to defend their partners because they feel they are alone against widespread problems and no one supports them. That they cannot understand that the only way to keep the trust of the public is to be absolutely ruthless while policing their own ranks is a shame (to put it mildly) but it is also something that will not change any time soon. The feelings I tried to describe above are very real, in general police officers feel that no one is there to help them deal with these problems so the only thing they can do is close ranks and try to protect each other. Will that change if outside oversight is enforced on them? Of course not, it likely will make the situation worse instead of better (as in they will try even harder to keep problematic cases out of sight of the public).
I believe (and frankly that is only my opinion, I have no studies or evidence to back this up) that the only way to change this would be to work hard at fostering a different "esprit de corps", something along the lines of 'we must be better than this, mistakes can happen but the amount of power we have requires that we acknowledge and deal with those mistakes appropriately' meaning that officers involved in police brutality must be investigated and tried properly (and I truly mean properly with the appropriate legal punishments) by their own colleagues / people they work with regulary.
The thing is, even if by some miracle all police officers (and their superiors) started doing that tomorrow it would still take years and years of them actually doing so to regain the trust they have lost. In all those years they would still be exposed to negative sentiment and would be required to take it on the chin.
In many communities the police are already seen as "the pigs" or some other slang expression. They have already lost the trust of those communities (and frankly in many cases they actually deserve it). Working with those constructively can only begin after the police itself has "cleansed" their own institution. In the short run it might be possible to enforce better oversight but it won't change anything regarding the poisoned climate that is already present.
The difficulty is that any kind of investigative agency (or oversight agency) will almost immediately be branded as the "liberal pussies" or other derogative bullshit and be seen as the enemy (or at the very best an unfriendly group who "just wants to hold them back from dealing with the criminals").
On July 07 2016 00:30 ticklishmusic wrote: I'd like anyone who's said that minorities made up stuff about police brutality to please stand up
Given that they often defend a person who punched a police officer and got a response as an "unarmed minority brutalized by the police" it's not hard to see why people might not buy their argument. They can't self-filter the justified from unjustified cases and that severely undermines any real issues they try to bring up.
uh theres been plenty of "real issue" examples that are easy to find if you aren't lazy and simply expecting to be spoon fed the entire case against police immunity to criminal charges for gross misconduct
That's not the problem. The problem is when you don't filter the shitty cases from the real cases, people start to wonder whether you have any real cases at all.
yea and like i said it's an issue of laziness for those people to not figure it out on their own if they had any intention of giving the issue a fair shot (many dont)
On July 07 2016 01:20 LegalLord wrote:
On July 07 2016 01:10 kapibara-san wrote:
On July 07 2016 01:02 LegalLord wrote:
On July 07 2016 00:30 ticklishmusic wrote: I'd like anyone who's said that minorities made up stuff about police brutality to please stand up
Given that they often defend a person who punched a police officer and got a response as an "unarmed minority brutalized by the police" it's not hard to see why people might not buy their argument. They can't self-filter the justified from unjustified cases and that severely undermines any real issues they try to bring up.
people make a big deal of shitty examples, but the only ones using those shitty examples as evidence that the problem isn't worth dealing with at all are the ones who tend not to mind that minorities are getting brutalized, usually because of personal prejudice / "they comprise disproportionate crime and kill each other all the time" -> (they deserve it) (the usually unspoken implication)
Not really true. A lot of people are somewhere in the middle and could be swayed by a good argument, but will be deterred by shitty arguments and shitty fake abuse cases. There's a huge middle ground between "all police officers are shitty and even shitty cases for abuse are valid" and "police officers are always right and all cases of abuse are shitty and fake."
still laziness to not look for the good, balanced arguments. still looking to be spoon-fed
On July 07 2016 01:20 LegalLord wrote:
On July 07 2016 01:10 kapibara-san wrote:
On July 07 2016 01:02 LegalLord wrote:
On July 07 2016 00:30 ticklishmusic wrote: I'd like anyone who's said that minorities made up stuff about police brutality to please stand up
Given that they often defend a person who punched a police officer and got a response as an "unarmed minority brutalized by the police" it's not hard to see why people might not buy their argument. They can't self-filter the justified from unjustified cases and that severely undermines any real issues they try to bring up.
not going to pretend poor minority culture (as well as poor white culture) isn't a big issue in general, but they don't have the legal right to kill people on our tax money... cops do...
You don't get to fix that by acting shitty about it or by issuing universal condemnations of our law enforcement. A lot of people respect the organization that protects people from crime and will not be interested in the terrible way a lot of the minority community has gone about addressing this issue.
i'm going to talk about this issue in general
if you are actually considering whether or not you care about something, you go straight to looking for the most intelligent commentary on the subject. if you find lots of unintelligent commentary, you brush it off and keep looking. it's a sign of emotional weakness to take that shit personally and generalize dumb shit to being the entire story of the issue. maybe some people get frustrated and give up... that's impatience. that's throwing the baby out with the bathwater. 90% of everything is shit, if you use that fact to disregard the fact that the 10% exists, then you're just lazy.
i'm lazy so i'm a hypocrite and i don't actually intend on putting much effort into stopping police misconduct, but in a way, you're demonstrating the issue on a meta-level. lots of people respond badly to the bad responses... doesn't mean you should ignore the good responses of the people who look for the good responses. and by all means, if you find them, propagate them. shitting on the shit is just easy and boring. dumb responses to everything are inevitable. it's not a good reason not to look for good responses.
Evidently the solution to issues that require widespread public support is to call the opposition lazy.
i'm always on a meta-discussion level and not actually invested in the topics themselves; as i said, i'm lazy and a hypocrite, i just look to add novelties and new angles to discussions.
i'm just saying, if you're identifying people responding badly and producing unsavory non-evidence as the reason that certain people aren't getting invested in finding the actual evidence, then you're just describing lazy people all around without the sufficient vigilance to make a difference. the people responding badly and making a huge fuss will not disappear because you tell them they're dumb. fundamentally, it would be in their personality to yell at you louder, call you part of the problem, and not even make an attempt at earnest, logical dialogue, because such people are incapable of it. the correct solution is to completely ignore such people in favor of looking for solutions by collaborating with more intelligent individuals, and people unable to see that solution are themselves likely too dumb to contribute to combating the actual problem themselves.
identifying the fact that impotent idiots are shitting up the dialogue on a problem is not wrong, but is not constructive in any way, UNLESS you realize the logical conclusion to that identification is to ignore the idiots completely. if you're spending time calling idiots idiots without advocating specifically for ignoring them, you're really not contributing anything.
Danglars: I get where you are coming from on that and I think nationally people are still ignoring the issue or simply not experiencing it. But it is an ongoing problem in some specific parts of the country and I bet that pool would look different if it was focused on that area. The US is huge and getting all of us to agree on any one thing is pretty much impossible. A lot of this has to happen locally.
On July 07 2016 00:30 ticklishmusic wrote: I'd like anyone who's said that minorities made up stuff about police brutality to please stand up
Its like all the work with community policing done after the 70s and early 80s is undone. And the worst part is that those guys might not be convicted. Another one of the police is the Freddie Gray decided to take a bench trial, after the judge acquitted the other two. So it could turn out that no one was responsible for the death of Freddie Gray, despite him being in police custody.
If people feel this helpless against the power of the state and have no remedy, it will get a lot worse before it gets better.
The first step is realizing, that we, the people have no power in this country! It's irrelevant who'll be the next president, that whole voting thing only exists to give us the idea, that we have freedom of choice. The real owners of this country, the big wealthy fucks, that control everything (media, politicians,...) don't give 2 shits about us and that's why it'll only get worse.
okay
next step?
Get police to understand that the reason that everyone is angry at police nation wide is that they refuse to call out their own. I just listened to a radio interview with a police officer about the video and the host couldn't' even get the office to say it looked bad. The officer was so interested in protecting himself and "police" that he couldn't just say "that looks bad."
I don't know how they expect people to continue to have faith in police when it is so clear they protect their own before the communities they work for. This is how terrible civil unrest starts.
But absent that, a third party agency in every state that monitors the police and forces them to report on the use of force.
Confidence is essentially back to where it was before a series of highly publicized incidents involving white police officers and young black men in several communities across the country.
I'd expect public opinion to go down and stay down if majorities are still waiting for police to call out their own. If however recent cases have de-legitimized this case for police aloofness amongst widespread unjustified brutality, I'd expect people to continue to respect or tolerate the po-po.
Step 2: Homer J. Simpson put it best: “Kids, You Tried Your Best and You Failed Miserably. The Lesson Is Never Try!”
How did Trump become the nominee?
Trump is one of the 1%ers, that control everything! Nothing will change! You think he'll build a wall?? Ask those poor suckers, who "graduated" Trump University about broken promises!
He's asking if people have no power, how did they choose the Republican nominee? You might not like him, you might think those who voted for him are "poor suckers" like your students, but it is people showing their power to make a choice, of which they had I think seventeen choices. Your opinion that they made a bad choice because of an elite conspiracy is frankly less valid than saying you think they made a bad choice with no conspiracy, the people voting being stupid generally.
I'm not saying it's a good or bad choice, all I'm saying is: It won't matter who ultimately will be the president. He/she will just be the new face of the same old establishment agenda.
i think you should ignore the idiots, but you should advocate for third party police oversight and better training anyway, just so that we reduce the amount of unsavory extreme cases where police go underpunished, causing social unrest among groups that feel victimized, as well as reduce the frequency of police misconduct happening in the first place by emphasizing better conflict resolution without involving lethal methods or violence.
you might think taking emphasis away from self-defense and paranoia of lethality might put police in more danger, and you may not be wrong in a probabilistic sense, but fundamentally, i believe that if it's a choice between putting the police in marginally more danger and putting civilians in more danger of police brutality and/or extrajudicial killings, the former makes more sense, because people have to apply to be police, not to be civilians.
love,
kapibara-san
p.s. i'm not doing this myself so good luck if you feel compelled to try
On July 07 2016 00:30 ticklishmusic wrote: I'd like anyone who's said that minorities made up stuff about police brutality to please stand up
Its like all the work with community policing done after the 70s and early 80s is undone. And the worst part is that those guys might not be convicted. Another one of the police is the Freddie Gray decided to take a bench trial, after the judge acquitted the other two. So it could turn out that no one was responsible for the death of Freddie Gray, despite him being in police custody.
If people feel this helpless against the power of the state and have no remedy, it will get a lot worse before it gets better.
The first step is realizing, that we, the people have no power in this country! It's irrelevant who'll be the next president, that whole voting thing only exists to give us the idea, that we have freedom of choice (we don't). The real owners of this country, the big wealthy fucks, that control everything (media, politicians,...) don't give 2 shits about us and that's why it'll only get worse.
Oh hey a paraphrased version of George Carlin's 2005 Life is Worth Losing. It's sad that not enough people took it seriously because George Carlin tried to warn us over 10 years ago.
On July 07 2016 00:30 ticklishmusic wrote: I'd like anyone who's said that minorities made up stuff about police brutality to please stand up
Its like all the work with community policing done after the 70s and early 80s is undone. And the worst part is that those guys might not be convicted. Another one of the police is the Freddie Gray decided to take a bench trial, after the judge acquitted the other two. So it could turn out that no one was responsible for the death of Freddie Gray, despite him being in police custody.
If people feel this helpless against the power of the state and have no remedy, it will get a lot worse before it gets better.
The first step is realizing, that we, the people have no power in this country! It's irrelevant who'll be the next president, that whole voting thing only exists to give us the idea, that we have freedom of choice (we don't). The real owners of this country, the big wealthy fucks, that control everything (media, politicians,...) don't give 2 shits about us and that's why it'll only get worse.
Yeah, except that the voices that vote the most often keeps having a party that pushes the agendas we all know that party supports. The biggest problem with most liberals is that its all or nothing. Either they win the presidency, or why vote at all. Then they wonder why the conservatives who vote on everything keeps getting policies that support their beliefs passed in local jurisdictions.
For the most part, the first step is realizing that Conservatives will win more often because they actually have people who vote.
also gerrymandered districts for keeping the house forever
but i'll ask you just as i asked him
step 2?
Step 2 is obvious
Vote more often, as often as you're allowed, for as many open positions as you can. Get your friends to vote Get your neighbors to vote Get everyone to vote
Politicians are greedy and power hungry. The only reason they get bought out in the US is because ads gets people to vote, and there are so few people voting that even getting a small bump of your supporters to show up more creates landslide victories.
Do you know how best to render that dead and instantly make superpacs useless? You vote.
Let me put it this way. If 95% or more of the people vote naturally, campaign finance becomes an almost dead industry.
Step 2 is vote. Step 3 is also vote. Same with step 4.
The only reason people feel powerless is because not enough vote.
On July 07 2016 00:30 ticklishmusic wrote: I'd like anyone who's said that minorities made up stuff about police brutality to please stand up
Its like all the work with community policing done after the 70s and early 80s is undone. And the worst part is that those guys might not be convicted. Another one of the police is the Freddie Gray decided to take a bench trial, after the judge acquitted the other two. So it could turn out that no one was responsible for the death of Freddie Gray, despite him being in police custody.
If people feel this helpless against the power of the state and have no remedy, it will get a lot worse before it gets better.
The first step is realizing, that we, the people have no power in this country! It's irrelevant who'll be the next president, that whole voting thing only exists to give us the idea, that we have freedom of choice (we don't). The real owners of this country, the big wealthy fucks, that control everything (media, politicians,...) don't give 2 shits about us and that's why it'll only get worse.
Oh hey a paraphrased version of George Carlin's 2005 Life is Worth Losing. It's sad that not enough people took it seriously because George Carlin tried to warn us over 10 years ago.
what would everyone taking it more seriously have entailed
less impotent political participation and more focus on self and community?
"One of the first things the Baton Rouge Police Department did," Jordan said, was "to go and confiscate the video system from Triple S Food Mart."
Citing a statement from the store's owner, Jordan said that Abdullah Muflahi was ordered to sit in his car outside the store while police took the equipment, and that he was not presented with a search warrant.
"He's confident that his video ... shows the entire incident," Jordan said, before urging local authorities to hand the case over to the Louisiana State Police.
On July 07 2016 00:30 ticklishmusic wrote: I'd like anyone who's said that minorities made up stuff about police brutality to please stand up
Its like all the work with community policing done after the 70s and early 80s is undone. And the worst part is that those guys might not be convicted. Another one of the police is the Freddie Gray decided to take a bench trial, after the judge acquitted the other two. So it could turn out that no one was responsible for the death of Freddie Gray, despite him being in police custody.
If people feel this helpless against the power of the state and have no remedy, it will get a lot worse before it gets better.
The first step is realizing, that we, the people have no power in this country! It's irrelevant who'll be the next president, that whole voting thing only exists to give us the idea, that we have freedom of choice (we don't). The real owners of this country, the big wealthy fucks, that control everything (media, politicians,...) don't give 2 shits about us and that's why it'll only get worse.
Yeah, except that the voices that vote the most often keeps having a party that pushes the agendas we all know that party supports. The biggest problem with most liberals is that its all or nothing. Either they win the presidency, or why vote at all. Then they wonder why the conservatives who vote on everything keeps getting policies that support their beliefs passed in local jurisdictions.
For the most part, the first step is realizing that Conservatives will win more often because they actually have people who vote.
also gerrymandered districts for keeping the house forever
but i'll ask you just as i asked him
step 2?
The only reason people feel powerless is because not enough vote.
actually i don't feel powerless because i do the opposite; i don't care about voting or politics except on a purely masturbatory intellectual level
i don't base my perception of my power in terms of the political system of the nation/state/city i happened to be born into
just my personal ambitions/freedom
alright im powerless
but its a better kind of powerless; i'm a failure completely on my own terms :3
On July 07 2016 00:30 ticklishmusic wrote: I'd like anyone who's said that minorities made up stuff about police brutality to please stand up
Its like all the work with community policing done after the 70s and early 80s is undone. And the worst part is that those guys might not be convicted. Another one of the police is the Freddie Gray decided to take a bench trial, after the judge acquitted the other two. So it could turn out that no one was responsible for the death of Freddie Gray, despite him being in police custody.
If people feel this helpless against the power of the state and have no remedy, it will get a lot worse before it gets better.
The first step is realizing, that we, the people have no power in this country! It's irrelevant who'll be the next president, that whole voting thing only exists to give us the idea, that we have freedom of choice (we don't). The real owners of this country, the big wealthy fucks, that control everything (media, politicians,...) don't give 2 shits about us and that's why it'll only get worse.
Oh hey a paraphrased version of George Carlin's 2005 Life is Worth Losing. It's sad that not enough people took it seriously because George Carlin tried to warn us over 10 years ago.
Yep, that man was my hero! He was a genius, a free spirit and I miss him every day! + Show Spoiler +
it's naive to believe that you're entitled to more political power than you have just because of some propagandistic description of how civics in america is "supposed to work"
in fact it's an unnecessary artificial delineation to even consider the discrepancy between the possible scope of your influence within politics vs outside of it, as if you're entitled to more influence in the politics of your own nation/state because of idealistic words
the words dont govern the nation, the people interpreting them and reinterpreting them and "mis"interpreting them do
if you want to be a big influence you have to go hard anyway
expecting that your vote or your tone-deaf campaign should accomplish more than it does is just another form of naive idealism
if your goal is to make those things more meaningful again, you still have to go about that goal with a realistic view of human emotions, human influence, and human power structures... and ignore all the ideals of "how it's supposed to be." look at how it is, and deal with it.
On July 06 2016 12:38 ticklishmusic wrote: it looks like we have entered the bargaining stage of grief
i for one think thats progress
Is that referencing something or just a random thought fart?
Its definitely referencing the anti-Hillary crowd
Do all the lies really not bother any of you?
Here's a short list of terrible things about Bernie:
15 Trillion in addition to an economy still recovering is bad. Ignoring genocide just because its brown people is bad. Saying your anti-war unless they build warplanes in your state is bad.
I think the bold underlined attack is pretty funny coming from you
On July 07 2016 02:47 kapibara-san wrote: it's naive to believe that you're entitled to more political power than you have just because of some propagandistic description of how civics in america is "supposed to work"
in fact it's an unnecessary artificial delineation to even consider the discrepancy between the possible scope of your influence within politics vs outside of it, as if you're entitled to more influence in the politics of your own nation/state because of idealistic words
the words dont govern the nation, the people interpreting them and reinterpreting them and "mis"interpreting them do
if you want to be a big influence you have to go hard anyway
expecting that your vote or your tone-deaf campaign should accomplish more than it does is just another form of naive idealism
if your goal is to make those things more meaningful again, you still have to go about that goal with a realistic view of human emotions, human influence, and human power structures... and ignore all the ideals of "how it's supposed to be." look at how it is, and deal with it.
Actually--that's exactly what my step 1 said.
Liberals don't vote, conservatives do, so we always have a government that seems more conservative than the liberal population.
The reason? When push comes to shove, people only like the idea of helping others. When it comes time to vote on putting their taxes where their mouths are they don't show up because humans are naturally evil creatures, selfish and malevolent destroyers of all things they don't understand--but they want to feel like good guys. So they yell loudly that they want to be liberals, don't show up to vote, and blame an evil system for performing exactly how they allow it to perform so that they can take joy from the pain of others.
so basically you manipulate ur way into being friends with a bunch of elites and then you convince them to give you enough money and influence to do what you want and then you forget about politics because fuck america, got urs
yea i used to have liberal ideals but im too good at recognizing hypocrisy and impotence to have kept that up for too long
and the more u look at poor people the more u realize trying to paternalistically solve all their problems makes things worse, or at best, better in a kinda ugly codependent way where they care too much about stuff that they aren't putting (intelligent, concerted, meaningful) personal effort into
norway didnt have many poor people entrenched in a culture of reacting via learned helplessness to being subjugated in the first place; that's their secret
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