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Doublemint
Austria8760 Posts
free speech is big and all, especially in the US. going after bill - or family for that matter turns off more people than you would gain from it. otherwise you are in fact coming across like the giant douchebag orangutan you are. but that's all speculative, as I wrote before I think trump will stumble and not be the frontrunner for the GOP. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24360 Posts
On December 23 2015 20:59 Doublemint wrote: yeah but that's a losing strategy from the get go. free speech is big and all, especially in the US. going after bill - or family for that matter turns off more people than you would gain from it. otherwise you are in fact coming across like the giant douchebag orangutan you are. but that's all speculative, as I wrote before I think trump will stumble and not be the frontrunner for the GOP. Nationally sure, but not among the nomination crowd. You forget this is a guy who's prologue was accusing the POTUS of being part of a massive conspiracy to cover up his country of birth, opened his campaign by insulting Mexicans, insulted the service of a war hero, crudely insulted women, tweeted neo-nazi propaganda, defended Putin from accusations of killing journalists, then joked about doing it himself, has told several outright lies ranging from rally numbers, to fabricating imagined Muslims in New Jersey, all the while his numbers have been climbing. Not to mentions that's nowhere near a comprehensive list of the crap he's pulled. If you think that calling out Bill for some very questionable stuff is suddenly going to be too much, I'm afraid I have to disagree. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
it is not news that trump would get destroyed in the hard blue states, but in important states like OH, FL etc he'll be very strong. early poll numbers are basically garbage right now because trump has not made his turn towards the center yet, and he's not yet been seriously engaged on policy grounds. his policies are strong for independents. most of the 'trump no strong' is just personal reaction to his media presence etc but trump has way more than that in his pocket. it is a choice that he'll have to make and it may not be one that he is capable of making, but he does have a platform to run on that is very appealing at this particular juncture. | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1967 Posts
So here is the question. Is there a candidate in the race for either party that the other party could actually somewhat sympathize with? Does Sanders stand a chance to be nominated, he is leading in one state, right? Is Trump really, really, i mean really seen as a vital candidate by the republican base or are the others just even worse? | ||
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
On December 23 2015 21:50 oneofthem wrote: trump could easily turn around his image if he would pull back a bit on the bluster. yes, it is a necessary transition, but it will be a powerful one. it is not news that trump would get destroyed in the hard blue states, but in important states like OH, FL etc he'll be very strong. early poll numbers are basically garbage right now because trump has not made his turn towards the center yet, and he's not yet been seriously engaged on policy grounds. his policies are strong for independents. most of the 'trump no strong' is just personal reaction to his media presence etc but trump has way more than that in his pocket. it is a choice that he'll have to make and it may not be one that he is capable of making, but he does have a platform to run on that is very appealing at this particular juncture. If early poll numbers are garbage relative to Trump's chances, then so are your assurances that he will do well in states like Ohio. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On December 23 2015 21:59 farvacola wrote: If early poll numbers are garbage relative to Trump's chances, then so are your assurances that he will do well in states like Ohio. non sequitur lol | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46457 Posts
On December 23 2015 21:50 oneofthem wrote: trump could easily turn around his image if he would pull back a bit on the bluster. yes, it is a necessary transition, but it will be a powerful one. it is not news that trump would get destroyed in the hard blue states, but in important states like OH, FL etc he'll be very strong. early poll numbers are basically garbage right now because trump has not made his turn towards the center yet, and he's not yet been seriously engaged on policy grounds. his policies are strong for independents. Why? Just because he might eventually dial his bigotry down a bit doesn't mean he'll suddenly start having good political ideas. While his racist and sexist comments have somehow made him appealing to some people, they've also been instrumental in hiding the fact that he has nothing of any political substance to say. So if he's not mouthing off about women and Muslims and Mexicans and everyone else, all he's got left is "herp derp build a wall". | ||
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
On December 23 2015 21:50 oneofthem wrote: trump could easily turn around his image if he would pull back a bit on the bluster. yes, it is a necessary transition, but it will be a powerful one. it is not news that trump would get destroyed in the hard blue states, but in important states like OH, FL etc he'll be very strong. early poll numbers are basically garbage right now because trump has not made his turn towards the center yet, and he's not yet been seriously engaged on policy grounds. his policies are strong for independents. most of the 'trump no strong' is just personal reaction to his media presence etc but trump has way more than that in his pocket. it is a choice that he'll have to make and it may not be one that he is capable of making, but he does have a platform to run on that is very appealing at this particular juncture. Good point, trump will most likely change his strategy later on in the race. Didn't think about this myself but he,s smart enough for it. People have a short memory,they will have forgotten all this a few months from now. Except for the die hard trump haters,they wont be turned around. Just like the die hard Clinton haters wont be turned around,no matter what Hillary does. But the big public,they can turn easily. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Doublemint
Austria8760 Posts
On December 24 2015 00:09 Plansix wrote: I love that all the scenarios for Trump doing well later require him stop being a complete narcissist and the US voters simply forget the last year and for no one to remind them. Because under estimating the voters worked so well that last couple general elections for Republicans. not just the voter lol. think about the attack ad. any semi competent campaigner will abuse the shit out of the putin story. I mean you don't even have to abuse it - it basically can stand on its own ^^ I see it before my very eyes: trump giving a speech - red hair or whatever that is blowing in the wind - mouthing off about this and that with his finger held high - caption line:"donald trump says he will be an effective leader, but what does that mean?" - then a picture of putin - zoom into his cold dead eyes caption line "I think donald trump is a capable and talented leader, I have much respect for him and approve of him running for president America" - and putin begins to smile. cut to soviet tanks and troops marching on the red square - red soviet flag waving in the wind - cut to eagle snapping at trump during the time photo shooting session. "paid for by the my daddy did not die for this in the cold war - group" the end. ^_^ //pimped it a bit more :p | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On December 23 2015 21:50 oneofthem wrote: trump could easily turn around his image if he would pull back a bit on the bluster. yes, it is a necessary transition, but it will be a powerful one. it is not news that trump would get destroyed in the hard blue states, but in important states like OH, FL etc he'll be very strong. early poll numbers are basically garbage right now because trump has not made his turn towards the center yet, and he's not yet been seriously engaged on policy grounds. his policies are strong for independents. most of the 'trump no strong' is just personal reaction to his media presence etc but trump has way more than that in his pocket. it is a choice that he'll have to make and it may not be one that he is capable of making, but he does have a platform to run on that is very appealing at this particular juncture. Why on earth you think Trump would be capable of pivoting to the middle is beyond me. He's shown absolutely no signs of it, has the political tact of a can of dog food, and Romney couldn't manage it despite spending years of his life training for the pivot. He doesn't have anything in his pocket. Look at the absolute failure that was his discussion of shutting down the internet or nuclear weapons or killing families of terrorists-and that's just from the last debate alone. His policies are even more vapid than Romney's and, when discussed, inevitably betray a poor grasp of the situation. That's why he blusters. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On December 24 2015 01:42 TheTenthDoc wrote: Why on earth you think Trump would be capable of pivoting to the middle is beyond me. If we assume his entire platform and persona up to this point is entirely fabricated, it makes more sense for him to pivot. He said and did what would make him a GOP frontrunner. If he wins the nomination, mission complete. The next mission then becomes fabricating a platform and persona to be the general election frontrunner. That requires pivoting. If all these assumptions are made, I think it makes more sense to pivot. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46457 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
For those of you who speak Russian I ask you to watch this and see that Putin ACTUALLY says, and I quote "we see that he is a leader in polls, and we welcome all the new relations he wants with Russia, and again, regarding his political commentaries, it is not up to us to judge what he says" I heard and saw so much of how apparently, Mr. Putin "praises" Mr.Trump | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22609 Posts
On December 24 2015 02:46 Mohdoo wrote: If we assume his entire platform and persona up to this point is entirely fabricated, it makes more sense for him to pivot. He said and did what would make him a GOP frontrunner. If he wins the nomination, mission complete. The next mission then becomes fabricating a platform and persona to be the general election frontrunner. That requires pivoting. If all these assumptions are made, I think it makes more sense to pivot. He can pivot all he wants, Romney tried to pivot and failed badly. Why should be expect Trump to do it successfully? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46457 Posts
On December 24 2015 03:10 Gorsameth wrote: He can pivot all he wants, Romney tried to pivot and failed badly. Why should be expect Trump to do it successfully? Plus, Trump has a much bigger pivot to make than Romney. He can't undo a lot of the shit he's said. | ||
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/democrats-want-ted-cruz-to-1324948431880246.html Yahoo has good coverage of the elections imo, lots of interesting articles. | ||
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