Israel Bombs Palestine; Kills Hamas Leader - Page 6

On November 15 2012 10:36 Cush wrote:
Israel's always getting shit for defending themselves. I don't get it.

On November 15 2012 13:44 Praetorial wrote:


Stop accusing me of anti-Israel bias, you hack.

I created this thread in response to a news event, and wrote a fairly unbiased OP, and you accuse ME of being biased purely because I didn't give this thread more pro-Israel evidence?

Good lord, I hate General sometimes.

Edit: Read the OP.

On November 15 2012 13:51 ggbro wrote:


I think you read a bit too much into his post, he wasn't accusing you of anything (at most just telling you to display more information in the OP) and it seems to be addressed at the majority of people posting here.

On November 15 2012 13:54 Lemonerer wrote:
"The truth is that if Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."

This discussion is ridiculous as usual.

On November 15 2012 11:40 docvoc wrote:


I really hate these threads. I don't hate them because they don't discuss relevant events, I hate them because the truth doesnt ever really show it's just peoples opinions, not even facts in history. The fact is that about 80 missiles hit Israel from Gaza last weekend. This was a retaliation for that attack, the IDF and various other pro-israel status updaters posted that there were 80 missiles that hit israel over the weekend, on various applications. The mainstream media (yahoo) had that as a link at the very bottom of the page on the second part of international news. This was retaliation for that attack after the Palestinian attempted attacks, especially after Palestine was relatively quiet and peaceful for a bit because of their attempt to get into the U.N. Also no, they are not democratically elected according to modern terms, women and non-islamic people are not allowed to vote. Also I think you could do some actual research, past what mainstream media says, since on this subject they are overwhelmingly wrong. Do some simple research into how Israel came to be, how these movements and where the word Palestinian came from, etc. You will find that the issues are much less black and white than you make them.

One party is infact not subjugating the other. Furthermore your reductionist statements are bothering since you state them so matter of factly. You overlook the bombs sent into israel each weekend, you overlook the normal "acts of war" and "acts of aggression" that would normally constitute retributiong that Israel is for some reason not allowed. You treat this man like a saint, he killed three israelis, two of which were childrenhe bombed a school bus with israeli children on it. If he were American or Canadian that would be an enormity of jail time, he got 13 years because of international pressure. Furthermore, he helped orchestrate the shooting of 100 rockets into israel this weekend, last I checked thats an act of war from an independent country. If you want, here is a quick synopsis about the man you are defending.

EDIT: Replaced the killed three people part, he actually did worse, so I'm just going to change it so as to explain the depth of his actions.

On November 15 2012 13:36 bkrow wrote:

Why is this the second time this image is posted in this thread? Is there an email going around that i missed?

Pictures are entertaining and all, but they ignore so much context that it is ridiculous. Do you know the events that lead up to that point? Do you know what happened and why? Do the dates 1936, 1947 and 1948 mean anything to you? Or how about 1999/2000?

Both sides have a right to be pissed off. Both sides have done wrong and been wronged. Don't play the underdog card because that doesn't give you a right to attack another sovereign nation.

On November 15 2012 14:15 pb.fcnz wrote:


Out of these 100 rockets, how many civilians were killed? Zero.

IIRC the number of deaths/rockets fired is something like 1/250 ... theyre basically firing small rpgs at open fields and never hit anything.

Want some FACTS? Why do you never mention the FACT that for every Israeli citizen that dies, 7 palestinians die. Where's that FACT, Mr Truth? How convenient that you pro-Israeli bots always oversee that one, cause you know, one would figure it's a pretty important stat.

On November 15 2012 13:49 -Cyrus- wrote:


This isn't Israel defending itself.

On November 15 2012 10:56 heliusx wrote:

Involved? how? Israel could wipe out 10 palestines alone.

On November 15 2012 14:21 schaf wrote:
What I don't understand is that this is just the beginning of more to come, i an article I read a few hours ago it said that Israel was threatening to advance on ground into Palestine, but nowhere it said for WHAT. They killed some high official of the Hamas, great for them. and now? Annexion before Palestine gets to set any toe into the UN?

It's kinda like the news that *Turkey is bombing targets in Syria* but I didn't find anywhere what kind of targets. So all in all this news is quite misleading, could be they bombed some villages for retaliation, who knows?

The sad part is that there will be no punishment for Israel from the West in any way. Makes me sad to live here...

On November 15 2012 14:29 AngryMag wrote:


Israel is forced to retaliate. The killing of the Hamas official was a retaliation for 80 rockets which were fired into Israeli territory last weekend by Hamas troops.

What happens if Israel stops retaliating? First Hamas continues their armed struggle. Cleansing the middle East from jews is a declared goal of this organisation and Israeli appeasement won't stop them from trying to reach that goal. Second israeli innerpolitical pressure for retaliation rises. If they don't retaliate, the point will come that the electorate just votes somebody in who is promising to roll the palestinians over. Nobody endures to get shot at over time without trying to get rid of the threat.

On November 15 2012 14:26 boxturtle wrote:


Unfortunately, the real world isn't Starcraft 2. Israel can't cast Guardian Shield or set up PDDs.

When you get hit by 80 rockets, you probably go for the enemy leader who's trying to get his boys to shoot rockets at you. In the real world, people are going to die because the best way to defend yourself without negotiation with another power (which Hamas refuses to acknowledge as legitimate) is to go kill them.

Terrorism is never clear cut. No human in the history of the universe has thought up of a way to effectively deal with terrorists. Many ancient examples (the zealots) were solved through genocide. Only in the recent era has mitigation through education even been explored.

Terrorism is a really fucking stupid political tool. Terrorists have no legitimacy. Even if Hamas and Israel were to magically sign a treaty, a couple rockets from some dumbass would destroy the peace, because hey, who doesn't believe it's the terrorists shooting the rockets at you?

Education- our only real solution/mitigatory tool against terrorism is ineffective in this sad scenario. Israel and Hamas are just constantly provoking each other and completely ruining the Palestinian populace. There's no opportunity to become educated and learn about democracy and non-violent protest in that kind of environment.

In short, it is Israel defending itself. It's Israel defending itself ineffectively. It's too bad no one found effective methods for defending themselves against terrorists.

On November 15 2012 14:34 Redox wrote:
Biased OP is biased.

In my opinion its impressive how effective and precise Israel is able to go against the leadership of those who commit terrorist attacks against it.

On November 15 2012 14:36 Caihead wrote:


It's the general concensus of Arabs, AND Jews in the region including many Israeli scholars that Israel will disappear over the course of history because it is not a functional self sustainable state system unless a two state solution or a state dissolution happens. Israel is not self sustainable, the vast majority of its GDP and economic growth is held up exclusively by funding from military and infrastructural projects from the West. It has no access to clean water and is subsisting on stealing the water from Palestinian water sources which in the middle east is an extremely big deal because no country can function with out access to water. It has next to no political integrity in the eyes of the majority of the world's populace as well as political bodies. Though the people of the world may express sympathy and strive for human rights for the Jewish people, particularly those living in Israel, very few actually defend the legitimacy of the Israeli State, and they are expressing equal sympathy for the residents of Palestine.