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Poll: Who do you stand by?Neither (520) 38% Israel (436) 32% Palestine (397) 29% 1353 total votes Your vote: Who do you stand by? (Vote): Israel
(Vote): Palestine
(Vote): Neither
Context articles
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/15/us-palestinians-israel-idUSBRE8AE01120121115
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-14/israel-hits-gaza-targets-as-air-strike-kills-hamas-leader.html
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2012/1114/For-Israel-costs-and-benefits-of-striking-Gaza
A few hours ago, Israeli IDF planes launched a strike on the Gaza strip in attempt to assassinate a Hamas leader, Ahmed al-Jabari. They succeeded, obliterating his car with him inside.
Ahmed Said Khalil al-Jabari (Arabic: أحمد الجعبري; 1960 – 14 November 2012) was a Palestinian political activist and militant, who worked as the second-in-command of the military wing of Hamas. He was credited as the leader in the takeover of the Gaza Strip by Hamas and the firing of Qassam rockets into Israel.
Born in the Shuja'iyya district of Gaza City, Jabari studied history at the Islamic University of Gaza, where he became active in politics, joining the leftist Fatah party which advocated armed struggle against Israel. In 1982, he was arrested by the Israeli authorities and imprisoned for 13 years. Once free, he left Fatah and joined their Islamist rival, Hamas. Becoming involved in the party's militant wing, he was believed to have been involved in the bombing of a school bus in Kfar Darom, and arrested by the Preventive Security Force of the Palestinian Authority in 1998, being released the following year.
In 2002, Jabari became the operational head of Hamas' militant wing following the retirement of Mohammad Deif. In this position, Jabari was a high-ranking official within Hamas's political leadership, and also the founder of the Nur Association, which aimed to help "martyrs and prisoners".[1]
Intent on putting a stop to his militant activities, the Israeli military and Shin Bet conducted a targeted air strike on 14 November 2012, a part of Operation Pillar of Cloud killing Jabari and his son, who was with him in the car he was travelling in.[2]
As the above quote from Wikipedia notes, Jabari was a militant, who Israel had good reason to fear and hate, as he was responsible for
However,
-five people were killed in the attack, including children.
-Egypt, one of Israel's key allies in the region, has withdrawn its ambassador
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/14/gaza-strike-egypt-envoy_n_2131742.html
-Jabari's militia says that Israel has "opened the gates of hell"
Personally, I dislike this issue since there's so much blame to throw around on both sides of the argument. I'm always frustrated with the lack of effort on both sides to create peace, yet things like this make me think there truly is no hope with Hamas and Likud's coalition running things on both sides.
What are your opinions?
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I have only the deepest sympathies for residents of the entire region.
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Israel's always getting shit for defending themselves. I don't get it.
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cant we all just get along?
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And the losers of this whole conflict is...you guessed it, the civilians on both sides.
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It seems like the whole damn country has been cursed by stupid choices.
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On November 15 2012 10:36 Cush wrote:
Israel's always getting shit for defending themselves. I don't get it.
And here...
we...
go...
+ Show Spoiler +The entire situation there is fucked up. Israel completely fucked over Palestine because of them being backed by the UK and took far more land than they should have with the treaty, and Palestine handled it just as badly by bombing Israeli civilian centers. I think honestly the most ridiculous thing is that people think Israel is completely innocent here. Not to say Hamas is something I support though.
Honestly that's probably the one region in the Middle East that needs the most intervention if anything. Best of luck to that entire reason. This petty hatred between these two nations is ridiculous.
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On November 15 2012 10:36 Emperor_Earth wrote:
I have only the deepest sympathies for residents of the entire region.
That... 
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I can understand going after a military threat, but like with American drone strikes, you have to wonder if the innocents killed are worth it, and most people feel that it isn't.
I play devils advocate in these types of thread from time to time, and if this guy is involved in ongoing attacks and planned attacks, would this be better than ongoing attacks and counter attacks that kill less people at the same time, but more people over all?
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A few hours ago, Israeli IDF planes launched a strike on the Gaza strip in attempt to assassinate a Hamas leader, Ahmed al-Jabari. They succeeded, obliterating his car with him inside.
At this point it was well over 12 hours ago. But whatever that doesn't matter I'm just being lame.
I am confident that this will result in open war. I can't say Israel was unwarranted in their response to the continued attacks on her soil but this will result in war and more deaths. Is there really no diplomatic end? War will only strengthen the resolve of those that will harm Israeli civilians to further their goals. In the end it is a choice of who loses more civilians.
It is one of the great tragedies of my lifetime.
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On November 15 2012 10:36 Emperor_Earth wrote:
I have only the deepest sympathies for residents of the entire region.
This is honestly the only response I can think of. Regardless of who is 'good' or 'evil', innocent people are still dying.
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They won't see peace. No side is ready to make hurtful compromises. Isreal regards the region as their holy land and will limit the federal territory of a possible palestinian state as far as possible. On palestinian side major parts of the political power is hold by islamofascists who want to throw the jews into the sea. The conflict will end if one side succeeds.
For Israel this means permanent concentration of the palestinians in a territory as small as possible. Survival of the palestinian state depends on the goodwill of Israel.
For the palestinian powers victory means to kill all the jews in the region.
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On November 15 2012 10:46 rust.oxide wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 10:36 Emperor_Earth wrote:
I have only the deepest sympathies for residents of the entire region. This is honestly the only response I can think of. Regardless of who is 'good' or 'evil', innocent people are still dying.
It is like Syria, it is so grey it is very hard to support either side in this. I do feel for the innocent civilians though.
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Job well done Israel for killing this terrorist scum.
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i don't think one country is to blame over another, it's the fuckers who think it's ok to just bomb shit in the name of their country. the mindset over there is just beyond imagination, I really can't see myself walking in their shoes so I'm just going to stop assuming things and so should the rest of you.
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On November 15 2012 10:36 Cush wrote:
Israel's always getting shit for defending themselves. I don't get it.
You don't defend yourself by assassination. You can't justify the planned murder of a person for the sake of peace. It's just as criminal as whatever the said person once did. I think that retaliation is the worst way to "defend" yourself, if it's considered "defending" yourself in the first place; peace is instead a better solution, it's just that in a place like the Gaza Strip, with all its instabilities and Hamas vs Fatah shenanigans, peace is only a dream in a time like now (and Isreal isn't helping by assassinating people). Yes, it is wrong to fire rockets into Isreal from Gaza, but if you're implying that you're seeking justice through the right to defend yourself, than it's wrong to kill in return because that's counter-productive.
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On November 15 2012 10:48 ppshchik wrote:
Job well done Israel for killing this terrorist scum.
ya great job, well done! terrorist scum #1 killing terrorist scum #2 + civilians. all that has been accomplished is feeding the flames by getting civilians and children involved.
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It's a huge mess, no doubt about that.
What are the chances that this doesn't escalate badly?
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On November 15 2012 10:38 TOloseGT wrote:
And the losers of this whole conflict is...you guessed it, the civilians on both sides.
Sound about right. Pretty soon, im sure we'll be involved too. Im starting to think that 12/21/12 thing wasnt much of a lie now.
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On November 15 2012 10:54 LgNKami wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 10:38 TOloseGT wrote:
And the losers of this whole conflict is...you guessed it, the civilians on both sides. Sound about right. Pretty soon, im sure we'll be involved too. Im starting to think that 12/21/12 thing wasnt much of a lie now.
Involved? how? Israel could wipe out 10 palestines alone.
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