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On November 15 2012 10:52 sorrowptoss wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 10:36 Cush wrote:
Israel's always getting shit for defending themselves. I don't get it. You don't defend yourself by assassination. You can't justify the planned murder of a person for the sake of peace. It's just as criminal as whatever the said person once did. I think that retaliation is the worst way to "defend" yourself, if it's considered "defending" yourself in the first place; peace is instead a better solution, it's just that in a place like the Gaza Strip, with all its instabilities and Hamas vs Fatah shenanigans, peace is only a dream in a time like now (and Isreal isn't helping by assassinating people). Yes, it is wrong to fire rockets into Isreal from Gaza, but if you're implying that you're seeking justice through the right to defend yourself, than it's wrong to kill in return because that's counter-productive.
You might want to read up the official goals of the Hamas organisation regarding Israel. These guys are Nazis and they won't deviate one millimeter from their political goals. In these goals Israel does not exist anymore, there is nothing to discuss with high ranked Hamas officials.
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On November 15 2012 10:44 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +A few hours ago, Israeli IDF planes launched a strike on the Gaza strip in attempt to assassinate a Hamas leader, Ahmed al-Jabari. They succeeded, obliterating his car with him inside. At this point it was well over 12 hours ago. But whatever that doesn't matter I'm just being lame. I am confident that this will result in open war. I can't say Israel was unwarranted in their response to the continued attacks on her soil but this will result in war and more deaths. Is there really no diplomatic end? War will only strengthen the resolve of those that will harm Israeli civilians to further their goals. In the end it is a choice of who loses more civilians. It is one of the great tragedies of my lifetime.
A war between who? The IDF would utterly crush any Palestinian offensive.
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On November 15 2012 10:36 Cush wrote:
Israel's always getting shit for defending themselves. I don't get it.
Odd way of looking at defense you have. That's like equating the USA's involvement in Iraq as a "defensive measure" 
Sympathies go to all the families in the Palestinian region, they're suffering some pretty ridiculous abuses.
On November 15 2012 10:57 AngryMag wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 10:52 sorrowptoss wrote:On November 15 2012 10:36 Cush wrote:
Israel's always getting shit for defending themselves. I don't get it. You don't defend yourself by assassination. You can't justify the planned murder of a person for the sake of peace. It's just as criminal as whatever the said person once did. I think that retaliation is the worst way to "defend" yourself, if it's considered "defending" yourself in the first place; peace is instead a better solution, it's just that in a place like the Gaza Strip, with all its instabilities and Hamas vs Fatah shenanigans, peace is only a dream in a time like now (and Isreal isn't helping by assassinating people). Yes, it is wrong to fire rockets into Isreal from Gaza, but if you're implying that you're seeking justice through the right to defend yourself, than it's wrong to kill in return because that's counter-productive. You might want to read up the official goals of the Hamas organisation regarding Israel. These guys are Nazis and they won't deviate one millimeter from their political goals. In these goals Israel does not exist anymore, there is nothing to discuss with high ranked Hamas officials.
NAZI"s are they? But I thought Nazi's were uprising in Germany instead... do away with your fear mongering. Equating the Hamas to the Nazi regime... How silly of you.
Tell me, oh master of knowledge, what are the rates of innocent Palestinians dying yearly to Israeli's ? Or the UN specifically condemning the child abuse by the IDF.
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On November 15 2012 10:52 sorrowptoss wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 10:36 Cush wrote:
Israel's always getting shit for defending themselves. I don't get it. You don't defend yourself by assassination. You can't justify the planned murder of a person for the sake of peace. It's just as criminal as whatever the said person once did. I think that retaliation is the worst way to "defend" yourself, if it's considered "defending" yourself in the first place; peace is instead a better solution, it's just that in a place like the Gaza Strip, with all its instabilities and Hamas vs Fatah shenanigans, peace is only a dream in a time like now (and Isreal isn't helping by assassinating people). Yes, it is wrong to fire rockets into Isreal from Gaza, but if you're implying that you're seeking justice through the right to defend yourself, than it's wrong to kill in return because that's counter-productive.
So... your idea is to let them kill as many Israelis as they want until they decide they want peace.
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On November 15 2012 10:59 Feartheguru wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 10:52 sorrowptoss wrote:On November 15 2012 10:36 Cush wrote:
Israel's always getting shit for defending themselves. I don't get it. You don't defend yourself by assassination. You can't justify the planned murder of a person for the sake of peace. It's just as criminal as whatever the said person once did. I think that retaliation is the worst way to "defend" yourself, if it's considered "defending" yourself in the first place; peace is instead a better solution, it's just that in a place like the Gaza Strip, with all its instabilities and Hamas vs Fatah shenanigans, peace is only a dream in a time like now (and Isreal isn't helping by assassinating people). Yes, it is wrong to fire rockets into Isreal from Gaza, but if you're implying that you're seeking justice through the right to defend yourself, than it's wrong to kill in return because that's counter-productive. So... your idea is to let them kill as many Israelis as they want until they decide they want peace.
Read above post, maybe you should find the "kill as many Israelis" because right now Israeli has a much lighter civilian deathrate than Palestine.
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Good too bad they didn't smoke the entire city block to make sure. When you have the chance to kill a terrorist and his buddies it's time to go ham on him. GG no re hamas
On November 15 2012 10:44 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +A few hours ago, Israeli IDF planes launched a strike on the Gaza strip in attempt to assassinate a Hamas leader, Ahmed al-Jabari. They succeeded, obliterating his car with him inside. At this point it was well over 12 hours ago. But whatever that doesn't matter I'm just being lame. I am confident that this will result in open war. I can't say Israel was unwarranted in their response to the continued attacks on her soil but this will result in war and more deaths. Is there really no diplomatic end? War will only strengthen the resolve of those that will harm Israeli civilians to further their goals. In the end it is a choice of who loses more civilians. It is one of the great tragedies of my lifetime.
Open war with who? Isreal beats any middle eastern country in open war hell last time they beat 3
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On November 15 2012 11:04 CajunMan wrote:
Good too bad they didn't smoke the entire city block to make sure. When you have the chance to kill a terrorist and his buddies it's time to go ham on him. GG no re hamas
You're fucking disgusting.
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On November 15 2012 10:59 Feartheguru wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 10:52 sorrowptoss wrote:On November 15 2012 10:36 Cush wrote:
Israel's always getting shit for defending themselves. I don't get it. You don't defend yourself by assassination. You can't justify the planned murder of a person for the sake of peace. It's just as criminal as whatever the said person once did. I think that retaliation is the worst way to "defend" yourself, if it's considered "defending" yourself in the first place; peace is instead a better solution, it's just that in a place like the Gaza Strip, with all its instabilities and Hamas vs Fatah shenanigans, peace is only a dream in a time like now (and Isreal isn't helping by assassinating people). Yes, it is wrong to fire rockets into Isreal from Gaza, but if you're implying that you're seeking justice through the right to defend yourself, than it's wrong to kill in return because that's counter-productive. So... your idea is to let them kill as many Israelis as they want until they decide they want peace.
Do some actual research into the history of Hamas / Hezbollah and why they were formed, they were democratically elected into office following a previous government's inability to retaliate or protect its own civilians to Israeli aggression. The rocket attacks from Gaza into Israel ceased when Israel ceased firing during a temporary cease fire, and Israel is the party that instigated it, not the other way around. The only reason why these democratically elected parties are labeled terrorists is because they are on the wrong side, if you took away the names and locations and simply judged the actions on their own "X party launched rockets into Y's territory today, breaking the cease fire and Y retaliated", "X party bombed Y's territory killing its elected leader", etc; you might figure out that both sides have at least equal blame and both parties deserve to be labeled terrorists.
What is also obvious is the party that's subjugating the other party, encroaching on its land, forcibly bull dozing down people's houses and building new settlements every month, violating the internationally agreed lines, building prison walls and watch towers and preventing passage between the subjugated party's own territory, etc etc etc. Figure shit out yourself before posting ignorant crap.
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On November 15 2012 11:04 CajunMan wrote:
Good too bad they didn't smoke the entire city block to make sure. When you have the chance to kill a terrorist and his buddies it's time to go ham on him. GG no re hamas
lol no.
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On November 15 2012 11:02 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 10:59 Feartheguru wrote:On November 15 2012 10:52 sorrowptoss wrote:On November 15 2012 10:36 Cush wrote:
Israel's always getting shit for defending themselves. I don't get it. You don't defend yourself by assassination. You can't justify the planned murder of a person for the sake of peace. It's just as criminal as whatever the said person once did. I think that retaliation is the worst way to "defend" yourself, if it's considered "defending" yourself in the first place; peace is instead a better solution, it's just that in a place like the Gaza Strip, with all its instabilities and Hamas vs Fatah shenanigans, peace is only a dream in a time like now (and Isreal isn't helping by assassinating people). Yes, it is wrong to fire rockets into Isreal from Gaza, but if you're implying that you're seeking justice through the right to defend yourself, than it's wrong to kill in return because that's counter-productive. So... your idea is to let them kill as many Israelis as they want until they decide they want peace. Read above post, maybe you should find the "kill as many Israelis" because right now Israeli has a much lighter civilian deathrate than Palestine.
Right and guess what? Too bad. This conflict has generations of hatred in it. There is no negotiated peace, the conflict will end when one side is defeated.
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On November 15 2012 11:04 CajunMan wrote:Good too bad they didn't smoke the entire city block to make sure. When you have the chance to kill a terrorist and his buddies it's time to go ham on him. GG no re hamas Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 10:44 Probe1 wrote:A few hours ago, Israeli IDF planes launched a strike on the Gaza strip in attempt to assassinate a Hamas leader, Ahmed al-Jabari. They succeeded, obliterating his car with him inside. At this point it was well over 12 hours ago. But whatever that doesn't matter I'm just being lame. I am confident that this will result in open war. I can't say Israel was unwarranted in their response to the continued attacks on her soil but this will result in war and more deaths. Is there really no diplomatic end? War will only strengthen the resolve of those that will harm Israeli civilians to further their goals. In the end it is a choice of who loses more civilians. It is one of the great tragedies of my lifetime. Open war with who? Isreal beats any middle eastern country in open war hell last time they beat 3
Correction, the United States beats any Middle Eastern country. If you recall the entire support structure of the IDF was created and supported by the US. It's like walking onto a playground with a fight occuring and the teacher gives a baseball bat to a student and he beats the shit out of everyone.
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People pick a side in this conflict like it's a presidential race or a sports match. It's a war of "who is the bigger victim because victims are never wrong."
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I dont get it, jews from Europe and America all flock to palestine after holocaust and kill the natives. Why couldnt we give these jews a nice little province in germany which they can rule. Seems a lot more fair to me.
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On November 15 2012 10:59 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 10:36 Cush wrote:
Israel's always getting shit for defending themselves. I don't get it. Odd way of looking at defense you have. That's like equating the USA's involvement in Iraq as a "defensive measure" Sympathies go to all the families in the Palestinian region, they're suffering some pretty ridiculous abuses. Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 10:57 AngryMag wrote:On November 15 2012 10:52 sorrowptoss wrote:On November 15 2012 10:36 Cush wrote:
Israel's always getting shit for defending themselves. I don't get it. You don't defend yourself by assassination. You can't justify the planned murder of a person for the sake of peace. It's just as criminal as whatever the said person once did. I think that retaliation is the worst way to "defend" yourself, if it's considered "defending" yourself in the first place; peace is instead a better solution, it's just that in a place like the Gaza Strip, with all its instabilities and Hamas vs Fatah shenanigans, peace is only a dream in a time like now (and Isreal isn't helping by assassinating people). Yes, it is wrong to fire rockets into Isreal from Gaza, but if you're implying that you're seeking justice through the right to defend yourself, than it's wrong to kill in return because that's counter-productive. You might want to read up the official goals of the Hamas organisation regarding Israel. These guys are Nazis and they won't deviate one millimeter from their political goals. In these goals Israel does not exist anymore, there is nothing to discuss with high ranked Hamas officials. NAZI"s are they? But I thought Nazi's were uprising in Germany instead... do away with your fear mongering. Equating the Hamas to the Nazi regime... How silly of you. Tell me, oh master of knowledge, what are the rates of innocent Palestinians dying yearly to Israeli's ? Or the UN specifically condemning the child abuse by the IDF.
Oh Israel does wrong, too. Really, I thought the conflict could be broken down in a black and white scheme. Thanks for your expertise. And again Hamas official line regarding Israel and its jewish inhabitants is to either deport them or if they don't go voluntarily, kill them. Just to emphasize again, this is the political line of the highest Hamas officials. Of course, you would talk it out with these guys from the safety of your home of course. And yes, this attitude equals the one of the Nazi movement, apart from the fact that the Hamas ideology is based on religion, too.
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On November 15 2012 11:04 CajunMan wrote:Good too bad they didn't smoke the entire city block to make sure. When you have the chance to kill a terrorist and his buddies it's time to go ham on him. GG no re hamas Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 10:44 Probe1 wrote:A few hours ago, Israeli IDF planes launched a strike on the Gaza strip in attempt to assassinate a Hamas leader, Ahmed al-Jabari. They succeeded, obliterating his car with him inside. At this point it was well over 12 hours ago. But whatever that doesn't matter I'm just being lame. I am confident that this will result in open war. I can't say Israel was unwarranted in their response to the continued attacks on her soil but this will result in war and more deaths. Is there really no diplomatic end? War will only strengthen the resolve of those that will harm Israeli civilians to further their goals. In the end it is a choice of who loses more civilians. It is one of the great tragedies of my lifetime. Open war with who? Isreal beats any middle eastern country in open war hell last time they beat 3
yeah bro, then we can nuke the entire region also. just to be sure ya know? jesus christ literally all your posts in political threads are retarded flame bait. you have an issue with intelligence. you fulfill a stereotype that shouldn't exist in any slightly educated person.
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On November 15 2012 11:07 Feartheguru wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 11:02 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On November 15 2012 10:59 Feartheguru wrote:On November 15 2012 10:52 sorrowptoss wrote:On November 15 2012 10:36 Cush wrote:
Israel's always getting shit for defending themselves. I don't get it. You don't defend yourself by assassination. You can't justify the planned murder of a person for the sake of peace. It's just as criminal as whatever the said person once did. I think that retaliation is the worst way to "defend" yourself, if it's considered "defending" yourself in the first place; peace is instead a better solution, it's just that in a place like the Gaza Strip, with all its instabilities and Hamas vs Fatah shenanigans, peace is only a dream in a time like now (and Isreal isn't helping by assassinating people). Yes, it is wrong to fire rockets into Isreal from Gaza, but if you're implying that you're seeking justice through the right to defend yourself, than it's wrong to kill in return because that's counter-productive. So... your idea is to let them kill as many Israelis as they want until they decide they want peace. Read above post, maybe you should find the "kill as many Israelis" because right now Israeli has a much lighter civilian deathrate than Palestine. Right and guess what? Too bad. This conflict has generations of hatred in it. There is no negotiated peace, the conflict will end when one side is defeated.
No other conflict had generations of hatred? The apartheid which is often compared in South Africa to Israel and Palestine today, the black/white connection in America, the century long feuds between British and French.
Sorry, I didn't know "conflicts of interest" were required to be solved by the sword.
On November 15 2012 11:09 AngryMag wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 10:59 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On November 15 2012 10:36 Cush wrote:
Israel's always getting shit for defending themselves. I don't get it. Odd way of looking at defense you have. That's like equating the USA's involvement in Iraq as a "defensive measure" Sympathies go to all the families in the Palestinian region, they're suffering some pretty ridiculous abuses. On November 15 2012 10:57 AngryMag wrote:On November 15 2012 10:52 sorrowptoss wrote:On November 15 2012 10:36 Cush wrote:
Israel's always getting shit for defending themselves. I don't get it. You don't defend yourself by assassination. You can't justify the planned murder of a person for the sake of peace. It's just as criminal as whatever the said person once did. I think that retaliation is the worst way to "defend" yourself, if it's considered "defending" yourself in the first place; peace is instead a better solution, it's just that in a place like the Gaza Strip, with all its instabilities and Hamas vs Fatah shenanigans, peace is only a dream in a time like now (and Isreal isn't helping by assassinating people). Yes, it is wrong to fire rockets into Isreal from Gaza, but if you're implying that you're seeking justice through the right to defend yourself, than it's wrong to kill in return because that's counter-productive. You might want to read up the official goals of the Hamas organisation regarding Israel. These guys are Nazis and they won't deviate one millimeter from their political goals. In these goals Israel does not exist anymore, there is nothing to discuss with high ranked Hamas officials. NAZI"s are they? But I thought Nazi's were uprising in Germany instead... do away with your fear mongering. Equating the Hamas to the Nazi regime... How silly of you. Tell me, oh master of knowledge, what are the rates of innocent Palestinians dying yearly to Israeli's ? Or the UN specifically condemning the child abuse by the IDF. Oh Israel does wrong, too. Really, I thought the conflict could be broken down in a black and white scheme. Thanks for your expertise. And again Hamas official line regarding Israel and its jewish inhabitants is to either deport them or if they don't go voluntarily, kill them. Just to emphasize again, this is the political line of the highest Hamas officials. Of course, you would talk it out with these guys from the safety of your home of course. And yes, this attitude equals the one of the Nazi, apart from the fact that the Hamas ideology is based on religion, too.
Can you give me the EXACT specifications on how a non-state, with weak military presence and is practically under martial law has ANY comparison with the rise of one of the greatest military powers in history other then it wants to kill the other side... Holy shit, America is NAZI, Canada is NAZI, shit Ghengis fucking Khan is a NAZI. Religion being involved? Crusades were full of NAZI's. I mean by your comparison, if you want to kill someone you're a NAZI.
Get real, this is getting pathetic at best.
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On November 15 2012 11:08 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 11:04 CajunMan wrote:Good too bad they didn't smoke the entire city block to make sure. When you have the chance to kill a terrorist and his buddies it's time to go ham on him. GG no re hamas On November 15 2012 10:44 Probe1 wrote:A few hours ago, Israeli IDF planes launched a strike on the Gaza strip in attempt to assassinate a Hamas leader, Ahmed al-Jabari. They succeeded, obliterating his car with him inside. At this point it was well over 12 hours ago. But whatever that doesn't matter I'm just being lame. I am confident that this will result in open war. I can't say Israel was unwarranted in their response to the continued attacks on her soil but this will result in war and more deaths. Is there really no diplomatic end? War will only strengthen the resolve of those that will harm Israeli civilians to further their goals. In the end it is a choice of who loses more civilians. It is one of the great tragedies of my lifetime. Open war with who? Isreal beats any middle eastern country in open war hell last time they beat 3 Correction, the United States beats any Middle Eastern country. If you recall the entire support structure of the IDF was created and supported by the US. It's like walking onto a playground with a fight occurring and the teacher gives a baseball bat to a student and he beats the shit out of everyone.
To be fair we gave them that bat when the soviets gave all the arab nations soviet bats as well. A lot of what isreal use's to impose its will on the region are leftovers from the cold war and the industries that were spawned from them.
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Don't have special sympathies for either side. Just don't get why everyone seemingly cares so much about that region when reading through those topics. An operation like this is taking place probably every other week so whatever.
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On November 15 2012 10:52 sorrowptoss wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 10:36 Cush wrote:
Israel's always getting shit for defending themselves. I don't get it. You don't defend yourself by assassination. You can't justify the planned murder of a person for the sake of peace. It's just as criminal as whatever the said person once did. I think that retaliation is the worst way to "defend" yourself, if it's considered "defending" yourself in the first place; peace is instead a better solution, it's just that in a place like the Gaza Strip, with all its instabilities and Hamas vs Fatah shenanigans, peace is only a dream in a time like now (and Isreal isn't helping by assassinating people). Yes, it is wrong to fire rockets into Isreal from Gaza, but if you're implying that you're seeking justice through the right to defend yourself, than it's wrong to kill in return because that's counter-productive.
It's not a defence by assassination. It's preventative, in the sense that that guy has done hits on their people before and will do it again. If they kill him, he will be unable to continue performing attacks on their people. That's all there it is to it.
On November 15 2012 11:13 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 11:08 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On November 15 2012 11:04 CajunMan wrote:Good too bad they didn't smoke the entire city block to make sure. When you have the chance to kill a terrorist and his buddies it's time to go ham on him. GG no re hamas On November 15 2012 10:44 Probe1 wrote:A few hours ago, Israeli IDF planes launched a strike on the Gaza strip in attempt to assassinate a Hamas leader, Ahmed al-Jabari. They succeeded, obliterating his car with him inside. At this point it was well over 12 hours ago. But whatever that doesn't matter I'm just being lame. I am confident that this will result in open war. I can't say Israel was unwarranted in their response to the continued attacks on her soil but this will result in war and more deaths. Is there really no diplomatic end? War will only strengthen the resolve of those that will harm Israeli civilians to further their goals. In the end it is a choice of who loses more civilians. It is one of the great tragedies of my lifetime. Open war with who? Isreal beats any middle eastern country in open war hell last time they beat 3 Correction, the United States beats any Middle Eastern country. If you recall the entire support structure of the IDF was created and supported by the US. It's like walking onto a playground with a fight occurring and the teacher gives a baseball bat to a student and he beats the shit out of everyone. To be fair we gave them that bat when the soviets gave all the arab nations soviet bats as well. A lot of what isreal use's to impose its will on the region are leftovers from the cold war and the industries that were spawned from them.
Everyone gave bats to everyone during that era, even then it was impossible to disregard profits from selling military technology/equipment.
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