EPTHowever, if Stimy was a mod, he would be the most power hungry mod around. He would do what he acuses other mods of doing at least 10x as much.
Stimy's Eulogy [TL Moderation] - Page 5
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pooper-scooper
United States3108 Posts
However, if Stimy was a mod, he would be the most power hungry mod around. He would do what he acuses other mods of doing at least 10x as much. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28558 Posts
god, at least some of the criticism towards him is accurate.. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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distant_voice
Germany2521 Posts
On February 17 2006 06:19 Liquid`Drone wrote: and I still think stimey has contributed way more and is a way better poster than almost any non-moderator who wants him gone. and that all the "problems" between stimey and the forum has been caused more by the forum misinterpreting him than him being a bad poster. the problem is that his posts, unlike most others, need to be interpreted, because they're not quite as.. straight forward as most posts are. I strongly disagree. His first 200 posts were contributions. Most were either funny, informative or good in another respect. I think we all know that he isn't a total dumbass intelligence wise and that he is able to make good posts. He has his good sides but they're totally outweighed by his ridiculously big ego. I won't ask you to point out some good posts because I know there are some and on a regular basis. However, when you squeeze one good post in between 20 full of flames, provocation for provocation's sake and arrogance, the one post you made is worthless. If you unban stimey he'll pick up his efforts to make everything revolve around him, something he's really good at, only second to his attention whoring skill. We now he doesn't change, I assume he's been warned time and time again, he's been banned a couple of times... in the end he always returned to his old assholish self. The whole purpose of this forum from my perpective is fun, information, advice and help generally. A place to hang out to socialise and discuss the things you want to, to joke around in some threads and be serious in others, to follow broodwar effectively, to stay up to date in everything related to progaming. IMO Moderators should ban anyone who uses this place solely to get attention, be an annoyance or spoil the fun. Casper for example might flame here and there and might only post one-liners, but as of late he doesn't post too much. He isn't annoying and doesn't take himself too seriously. That why he doesn't spoil anything. This should be the first commandment: If people are having fun, DON'T SPOIL IT. That way the first post of each thread explains how to behave in it. If it's funny or even nonsense, most anything goes. If it's pure nonsense, flame or the display of uncalled hatred towards a race, a nation, a poster, whathaveyou and hasn't triggered anything useful admins should close it. If it's a thoughful post trying to make some points and backing them up and obviously intended to start a serious discussion, don't go overboard with "lol", "no", "you suck" or similar posts. Maybe there could even be a function that allowed proven posters (who should be hand-picked by the mods) to moderate their own threads, meaning that if they start a thread they can moderate it. This way people who like to take responsibilty can do just that and would relieve the mods while at the same time it wouldn't leave the forums at their mercy. How often do you start a thread? Of course that'd be a right that can be given but also withdrawn. I disagree also with Manifesto7 when he says that in the end this is Team Liquid. Really, this place has become so much more. Team Liquid, who are they? There's a reason why new users come here and don't even know what it is. If this is about Team Liquid why is this site so well programmed and thought out but doesn't even show their line up? What games do Team Liquid members play? Certainly not Broodwar. I don't say this to take credit from this once great Broodwar team, but the site has evolved, most of the mods and even the admins don't even wear the Liquid´ tag. This is IMO a Broodwar community site, partly run by people who once played Broodwar on the highest level. | ||
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decafchicken
United States19932 Posts
On February 17 2006 00:27 shasin wrote: ... we're all adults here ... Pffft. When are people considered adults where you live :p Where i live, i've got 3 years to go ^^ Steve put up a good fight against Casper. Casper is and always will be the best at 1 liners. | ||
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Kaotu
United States986 Posts
I like pretty much all the moderators on this site. That being said, I'm definetely on drone's side here and I think some of the posts in this very thread reflect why. Look back at some of the posts and you see this stuff: "I'm surprised I haven't been banned... at least the mods were merciful". When you post something and sit there afraid that you just might get banned for it there is something wrong. IMO the people who deserve to be banned are the people like that xd2 guy who just got banned who have like 50 posts and every recent thread contains a post of theirs along the lines of "roflzzzz!!!!" or "lol n00b". That's bannable. And when someone steps way over the line, like stimey did, he deserved a ban. But like drone said it was largely a product of an unwarranted attitude against him. This is an exaggerated example but... when some kid gets made fun of and has no friends growing up then he in turn becomes a psycho killer, who's really to blame? I'm not saying that what the killer (or stimey) did was justified but let's be honest, what was the source. I contend that it was the general public and their attitude. Steve is a totally different case and he shares none of my sympathy in this regard. Its just that people like him so we unban him. ..Which I agree that we should unban him, but I guess I just don't agree with the general philosophy of banning here. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28558 Posts
of course he made some bad posts, everyone makes bad posts, and stimey's genius is a very inconsistent one. but people constantly give him shit based on his reputation, and through doing so they only transform him into what they hate. there's a reason why every time he has made a new account, the new account has been a forum favourite until people found out who it was, then he started getting shat on constantly (sometimes justified, but far from all the time.) and then he started getting involved in flamewars until he eventually flamed the wrong person and got banned. he does have one serious flaw when forumposting, and that is, he keeps grudges. and, when pretty much everyone he has flamed has the same flaw, the conflict just keeps escalating. if people stopped giving stimey shit, stimey would stop giving people shit, and he would then be a much better poster than he has been for the past 1000 posts. a conflict is never onesided. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36370 Posts
i mean seriously, can't he just enjoy the forums like everyone else without eventually succumbing to his inner need to push his agenda? you could see it slowly come out of his mitsy account, more and more complaining posts and one day boom | ||
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{ToT}Strafe
Thailand7026 Posts
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Ilvy
Germany2445 Posts
On February 17 2006 07:46 distant_voice wrote: I strongly disagree. His first 200 posts were contributions. Most were either funny, informative or good in another respect. I think we all know that he isn't a total dumbass intelligence wise and that he is able to make good posts. He has his good sides but they're totally outweighed by his ridiculously big ego. I won't ask you to point out some good posts because I know there are some and on a regular basis. However, when you squeeze one good post in between 20 full of flames, provocation for provocation's sake and arrogance, the one post you made is worthless. If you unban stimey he'll pick up his efforts to make everything revolve around him, something he's really good at, only second to his attention whoring skill. We now he doesn't change, I assume he's been warned time and time again, he's been banned a couple of times... in the end he always returned to his old assholish self. The whole purpose of this forum from my perpective is fun, information, advice and help generally. A place to hang out to socialise and discuss the things you want to, to joke around in some threads and be serious in others, to follow broodwar effectively, to stay up to date in everything related to progaming. IMO Moderators should ban anyone who uses this place solely to get attention, be an annoyance or spoil the fun. Casper for example might flame here and there and might only post one-liners, but as of late he doesn't post too much. He isn't annoying and doesn't take himself too seriously. That why he doesn't spoil anything. This should be the first commandment: If people are having fun, DON'T SPOIL IT. That way the first post of each thread explains how to behave in it. If it's funny or even nonsense, most anything goes. If it's pure nonsense, flame or the display of uncalled hatred towards a race, a nation, a poster, whathaveyou and hasn't triggered anything useful admins should close it. If it's a thoughful post trying to make some points and backing them up and obviously intended to start a serious discussion, don't go overboard with "lol", "no", "you suck" or similar posts. Maybe there could even be a function that allowed proven posters (who should be hand-picked by the mods) to moderate their own threads, meaning that if they start a thread they can moderate it. This way people who like to take responsibilty can do just that and would relieve the mods while at the same time it wouldn't leave the forums at their mercy. How often do you start a thread? Of course that'd be a right that can be given but also withdrawn. I disagree also with Manifesto7 when he says that in the end this is Team Liquid. Really, this place has become so much more. Team Liquid, who are they? There's a reason why new users come here and don't even know what it is. If this is about Team Liquid why is this site so well programmed and thought out but doesn't even show their line up? What games do Team Liquid members play? Certainly not Broodwar. I don't say this to take credit from this once great Broodwar team, but the site has evolved, most of the mods and even the admins don't even wear the Liquid´ tag. This is IMO a Broodwar community site, partly run by people who once played Broodwar on the highest level. This is still TeamLiquid and will always be, no matter what community uses this forum. It might be that the newer member don´t go to this forum because of the TL-members, their reason maybe is the info about the korean leagues. For me and a lot other ppl it is still because of Liquid in general and our own player. koreans might be better, but honestly they do not care if you cheer for them or not, they don´t read forums here, they won´t talk to most of you. Our nonkorean player do. And no i would not agree that every random user is able to mod here in threads, reason: the nature of humans is to react biased, this fit for 90 % of ppl here too and it would just give hell mess if everyone would be able to live out their feelings in here  | ||
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36370 Posts
On February 17 2006 08:26 MyLostTemple wrote: this isnt that big of a deal guys, just fyi this isn't a big deal! wow! lets just go post that in every thread, because nothing is a big deal to me, i am superman! fyi im so much cooler than everyone in this thread, fyi fyi, because this isnt a big deal to me, even though i take time to make an annoying post so i look cool in a thread with genuine discussion! | ||
RaGe
Belgium9944 Posts
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Dutch
Canada110 Posts
Cool. IMO posts that are shitty and mods don't like should just be removed, no need to ban people. However that rant that I just saw Mitsy do that was like 12 posts in a row all insulting one guy, ya thats a worthy ban. A friend of mine named "Resse" was a member he. In a thread where that mnm chick cryed about how she was a real life loser with no self esteem he made the post "aww poor girl". Following this UHJOO banned him. Now if a comment like that is worthy of a ban then that is fucking rediculous. Sure UHJOO does nice reports and is a korean who speaks english(good for u) he should not have the power to ban people over shit like that. Bans should be to a minimum.. Unless someone is consistently being an asshole insulting a person they really shouldn't be banned. Obviously this is just my opinion and the site is going to do whatever the hell they want. But different posters with differenty styles(annoying or otherwise) make the place more lively and shouldn't be banned. -Dutch | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28558 Posts
one thing you have to know about bannings on this site is, every time someone gets banned, whoever bans the poster will look at whoever gets banned's posting history. basically usually first someone notices a really bad post, then we look at posting history of the person, and then if the person banned has a history of making really shitty posts, he gets banned. if that post was one of if not the only bad posts, he does not get banned, or if that post was really really really shitty and most of his posts are good, then he gets tempbanned. I do agree that bans should be kept to a minimum, and while there are many bans that haven't been entirely justified, the only ban, ever, which I think made the site worse, was stimeys initial ban.  | ||
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distant_voice
Germany2521 Posts
On February 17 2006 08:16 Ilvy wrote: And no i would not agree that every random user is able to mod here in threads, reason: the nature of humans is to react biased, this fit for 90 % of ppl here too and it would just give hell mess if everyone would be able to live out their feelings in here you either didn't read properly or didn't understand, I wasn't talking about every random user, but handpicked invididuals. | ||
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Dutch
Canada110 Posts
If you don't like what someone says you don't have to read their posts. A feature that another forum that I was on used to have was to ignore certain users. I think that would be great here. | ||
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kidd
United States2848 Posts
Fakesteve got what he deserved. As for mitsy, he was a very itelligent poster. On the other hand, like in the thread mentioned by Mani, i believe that if he was attacking any member on this community, let alone a mod, he deserved to be banned, because that just isn't right. Keep up the good work everyone, you are appreciated. | ||
ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
On February 17 2006 08:30 Hot_Bid wrote: this isn't a big deal! wow! lets just go post that in every thread, because nothing is a big deal to me, i am superman! fyi im so much cooler than everyone in this thread, fyi fyi, because this isnt a big deal to me, even though i take time to make an annoying post so i look cool in a thread with genuine discussion! Haha, snap. | ||
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Jim
Sweden1965 Posts
EDIT. read the attack on manifesto. Thats just wrong and I agree with the ban now. Too bad he couldnt hold his temper. | ||
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