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stimey never stimulated interesting discussions...
The reason his threads needed to be closed is because he would keep them open single handedly with endless flame wars defending his pointless threads.
You could tell from just the thread title on the main page that he was the creator of a given thread, because of the nature of its subject( pointlessly objectable )
He consistently brought otherwise good posters to his level then simply posted persistently until they gave up.
Good job with the ban, i dont think he contributed to anything except peoples loathing.
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Its really simple: Read the forum guidelines.
THIS IS OUR HOUSE (yours)
Kinda sums it up imo. Btw, unban fakesteve :'(
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Belgium8305 Posts
I think that users who have been around for a while are actually often given too much leeway. Whenever I see someone become a consistent annoyance/bad poster, they get punished eventually but it usually takes a long time and a lot of repeated offenses.
Sure, these guys have been around for a while so maybe they deserve to be cut some slack, but being around that long also means that they damn well know what the rules are and when they're taking it too far.
This is why I feel Mitsy should've been banned months ago (hell, I even think he should never have been allowed to come back in the first place, considering how annoying he was in the first place). He wasn't really breaking any rules but he was incredibly annoying, cluttering every thread with long inane posts. I realise it's pretty subjective to find someone annoying so I do understand it took this long to ban him (and the ban was certainly justified in this case, that rant thread went waaaay over the top.).
I don't really agree with Fakesteve's tempbanning but that's just because I think he's funny, I can see how some of the mods don't appreciate his style of humour. Obviously, these forums would be complete garbage if everybody posted like FakeSteve, but he's good at it and I think it makes some threads way more enjoyable to read.
Oh well, just a 2 week ban anyway - I think he'll live.
As for new posters, I think it's good that the moderators crack down pretty hard on them when they make dumb mistakes (they should've read the Ten Commandments, it's all common sense really), but generally I feel that 2-3 week tempbans would be better than just outright banning them on the spot. This way, at least they'll get punished, they'll know what they did wrong and maybe they can stick around and become a good poster.
Obviously this does not apply to the guys that occasionally show up with like 5 posts and start spamming racial slurs or whatever, the forums are better off without them.
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I have a question, why are old threads even available to post in? It seems every time one is brought up there is usually little to contribute. Perhaps threads should be auto close after they haven't been active for x amount of time. Although with that said I feel mani does close topics to quicky. Some of the best topics/funniest post often come out of threads that start off as complete crap. If a thread is truly useless, I would think it would quickly be replaced by better topics with more to post about and would soon fall to the back so to speak.
As for bans unless a real policy is made regarding this I don't really see much point in discussing it. There is no way everyone is going to agree on what deserves a ban, so I don't see any real point in discussing it
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Stimy is Banned, FakeSteve is banned, )ToT(Strafe is banned, Casper is banned (if i'm not mistaken)...
wtf is wrong with this forum?
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Netherlands13554 Posts
strafe and casper aren't banned lol
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guys i think what we're all missing is that steve got temp banned.
does anyone here really think he did't deserve one? except for his MSPaint threads he wasn't contributing anything and his ego still somehow getting bigger.
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
personnaly i think this forum takes it too seriously. its an online forum, its supposed to be chaotic.. its why people come to read them. they love gossip, e-drama, etc.
if u have an online mature/productive forum etc - make an invite forum with only people you want. banning people like hovz, jelloone, stimey, etc just makes forums uninteresting. when i come to this forum, i want to read a 1,000 page flame thread about how hovz owns everyone. its funny, its entertaining, its worth reading! anyway im drunk so this probably makes no sense at all, but my 2 cents is to unban everyone and only ban people under extreme circumstances (spamming, advertising, etc)
in all honesty tho, the spirit of this forum is dying imo - u banned the life of the party. maybe it is an ego problem with the admin, but eventually ur going to realize what you've done and how lonely u r!
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Norway28703 Posts
I just now received a message from a new member of the forum who wishes to remain anonymous, at least at the time being
it goes something like this
"I'm new here, so I just want to keep lurking. But I have noticed a peculiar contradiction.
In the thread where they are talking about moderation and Stimey, it seems no one has checked his profile (mitsy's). Ironically, his profile has links to discussions about moderation that have been shut down--offerring more about moderation than the entire thread."
and I still think stimey has contributed way more and is a way better poster than almost any non-moderator who wants him gone. and that all the "problems" between stimey and the forum has been caused more by the forum misinterpreting him than him being a bad poster. the problem is that his posts, unlike most others, need to be interpreted, because they're not quite as.. straight forward as most posts are.
and I also agree with tasteless. some of the funniest posts on the forum have been responses to some retard posting something hilariously stupid. sometimes it goes too far though, but different characters create discussion. there are posters who are very valuable to the forum whom I pretty much never ever agree with. we need people to make fun of, and ideally people who can retaliate. (like stimey. )
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There's a difference in saying 1 liners and insults to be funny (Hot_Bid) and doing it to be a complete asshole (fakesteve)
casper wasn't banned, he only posts at liquidpoker.net now
at least now i won't have to see people arguing with mitsy about how pointless his existence is. Those back and forth flames were much more annoying than anything he ever posted.
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when will you ban rpf289?
you were supposed to ban him some time ago, can't find the thread
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my post was bad just because it was out of context. my opinion held plenty of validity in other contexts (contexts that im accustomed to being in 90% of the time). i forgot to accomodate short-sightedness, but being aware of how your audience will view your words is vital in any writing . . so i learned a lesson
and i disagree with tasteless. i dont come here primarily to be entertained; i come here primarily to be educated. perhaps most of the friction about bans is a matter of what people expect out of the forum. stimey has a lot of ideas he wishes to express, but he is an absolutely horrid writer as evidenced by all the controversy surrounding him. his ideas, presented properly with respect given where it's due, should not result in a ban. however his communication fails him and here we are. some people can look beyond how improperly he presents his ideas, and they value him. others are entertained by how he presents his ideas, and they value him. finally there are people who realize he has failed time and time again to fix his shortcomings, and are tired of him stirring up shit ---> ban
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guess the user is stimey himself.
The way like this forum is handled requests actually almost to accept everyone, since not even all moderators aren´t all manner. Some ban with not much reason and handle bans biased. everyone that doesn´t agree there is blind  .
Been here since ages with a good reason  , even like a lot the mods i ment and maybe personal never cared a lot about "the moderation way" until it doesn´t go really in deep privat flaming.
Sure flaming a mod with no reason deserves a ban, but as a reaction on "same language" is to understand, guess that´s allways been walking on thin line.
Thats just normal when it comes to moderate forums where the public changes almost every day and community isn´t really getting more manner as they have been before
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Norway28703 Posts
yeah ilvy is pretty much correct (like usual! :D ). some bans have been entirely caused by a moderator disliking a poster.
which is obviously bad.
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can't you just mute him or somethin'? Results, reports, interviews are for everybody regardless of their manner; our comunity isn't that big you know.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
uhh stimey undeniably is intelligent and cares alot about this forum. He makes some great discussion and he often adds a arguement to stimulate discussion. But openly flaming the shit out of a moderator no matter how zany the moderator is, is stupid. If the admin is being that big of a dick you seek support through other mods or something, you dont spew 3rd grade disses out in a high/drunk misspelled orgy of incoherence. He deserves to be banned for being a dumbass to a moderator. He deserves to be missed for what he contributed otherwise.
But he should stay banned. Noway an admin gets that disrespected and just turns the cheek publicly.
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
an admin who is truely secure would :o
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Norway28703 Posts
to be honest, even I think stimeys ban was justified this time. hell, I'm pretty certain even stimey thinks so, this time. (none of the previous times though, and the only reason why stimey has responded the way he has been, towards mani and others, is what both I an him perceive as unfair behaviour towards him in the past. )
so there's not much point in discussing THAT ban. however, discussing the moderation of the site is always good, because it can always be improved upon and it cannot be improved without discussion.
but this time he was asking for it. however, that doesn't mean I won't miss stimey's contributions, although from experience, I won't be missing them that long.
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glad that fakesteve is banned, he was an attention whore moron with very unintelligent posts, kinda upset that mitsy was banned though because he made well thought out posts and arguements.
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What is stimey going to do now he's banned?
I'm actually a little worried about him.
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