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Bahamuth
134 Posts
I hope the damage buff makes Battlecruisers more viable. Same for Ultra (although it actually sees play). Only unit they might consider fixing somehow is the Void Ray. Stun on Mothership also seems like a really good idea. Instead of absolutely having to Vortex the army you can use the stun to get into position for an actual fight. | ||
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_vk_
219 Posts
On September 03 2012 23:56 Fig wrote: I really hope this isn't the case. If so, this is just Blizzard back to their old tricks of removing versatility and micro from the game. Why make Oracles so one-dimensional? At least with cloak they could be used for base defense as well as harass. Now they will be another phoenix that the opponent counters by just killing you because you invested so much gas into it. And at the same time they drastically lower the micro potential of the Tempest. I see Blizzard hasn't learned anything from their gutting of the void ray. With this mentality, no matter how hard they try, Stargate units will always suck. I see where you're coming from, but consider the nerfed abilities. Purify+Teleport made Protoss unharassable and almost unkillable no matter how greedy they were in the early game. Oracle's cloak field made pre-lair pushes in ZvP almost impossible. | ||
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
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Smartwater
United States35 Posts
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Vip3rr
United States18 Posts
On September 04 2012 00:41 Smartwater wrote: Oh sick I leave for boot camp and they decide to release the dang beta! =[ Kick some ass at bootcamp Smart! What branch? On a beta note, Im excited! | ||
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Halozination
69 Posts
On September 03 2012 21:03 Buchan wrote: Oracles' cloak field ability was deleted, Mothership now have cloak field ability. I hate this change. Cloak was an interesting ability on the oracle (as it didn't have many hp) and is such a terrible ability on the mothership (pvp is mainly about who loses detection first and loses the game). Maybe it was a bit too strong against zerg but just give zerg another way to deal with it like faster moving spores or some ability on the overseer in case it dies. On September 03 2012 21:03 Buchan wrote: ...instead, they can scan a target area, all cloaked and burrowed units will be visible for 20s. Terran already has that and oracle already has something pretty close (preordain). I wish they would have come up with something better. Now the oracle might as well be deleted, but I guess blizzard really likes this mineral block garbage that does have no micro in it. There also is not much room for developing strategies around it, it is more like blizzard saying "here that is what you should do". On September 03 2012 21:03 Buchan wrote: Mothership's vortex ability now stun the units in target area for 20s and prevent any damage to these units. Seriously? -.- | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 04 2012 00:39 Darpa wrote: I cant believe protoss get scan and obs now >< I know, now protoss will finally have a form of detection that does not require them to get robo, making the Stargate a good opener, rather than a super risky one. All the changes seem ok. Blizzard it just trying stuff out to see how it effects the game. Nothing is permanent. | ||
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Cabinet Sanchez
Australia1097 Posts
I'm guessing this is so we have some way to perform detection via the stargate. People say we have the best detection but they'd be wrong - that would be Terran actually. (and fuck, the range and duration of the Terran scan I have always maintained is fucking ridiculous, it's so goddamn wide and lasts for much longer than you'd expect...they need to keep that animation going longer or something) Won't deny 20s seems awfully long though. | ||
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Halozination
69 Posts
On September 04 2012 00:39 _vk_ wrote: Purify+Teleport made Protoss unharassable and almost unkillable no matter how greedy they were in the early game. Oracle's cloak field made pre-lair pushes in ZvP almost impossible. Overseer was on evolution chamber instead of lair wasnt it? | ||
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Lorch
Germany3692 Posts
On September 04 2012 00:46 Halozination wrote: Overseer was on evolution chamber instead of lair wasnt it? Nope just drop creep, overseer is still laier as far as we know. Now keep in mind these changes are based on a chinese custom map based on "internal sources", we don't know for 100% whether those changes are true, maybe they are from a two months old build or maybe half of them got changed already in the build that comes out tomorrow. For all we know all of them could be made up. | ||
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Halozination
69 Posts
On September 04 2012 00:44 Plansix wrote: I know, now protoss will finally have a form of detection that does not require them to get robo, making the Stargate a good opener, rather than a super risky one. Why would stargate be super risky without scan? Preordain of oracle already gave detection and even without it you can send a phoenix to scout and get robo in time or include fast robo or forge in your build. | ||
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HDgBober
25 Posts
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Resistentialism
Canada688 Posts
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Erik.TheRed
United States1655 Posts
On September 04 2012 00:01 gedatsu wrote: BLs are slow as fuck. It takes 8 tempest shots to down a BL, so with 4 tempests (very affordable if the other guy has 15 BLs) it takes on average 6.6 seconds per BL. With 22 range you can kill quite a few before they even reach you. Pull back and repeat. most zergs playing with BL infestor style often bring queens with lots of energy, so they will have a lot of transfuses available as well. Unless you have a ton of tempests then it's going to be tricky to out-dps the queen heals. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3692 Posts
On September 04 2012 00:57 Erik.TheRed wrote: most zergs playing with BL infestor style often bring queens with lots of energy, so they will have a lot of transfuses available as well. Unless you have a ton of tempests then it's going to be tricky to out-dps the queen heals. Unless you are called fitzy you don't have infinite transfuse, guess he'll be the next zerg bonjwa. | ||
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 04 2012 00:53 Halozination wrote: Why would stargate be super risky without scan? Preordain of oracle already gave detection and even without it you can send a phoenix to scout and get robo in time or include fast robo or forge in your build. Every protoss knows the exact timing a cloaked banshee or DT can show up in your base a ruin your life. In two years of playings and trying stargate openings against terran and protoss, a phoenix has never saved me from a cloaked banshee or DT. Preordain sounded like it would useful, but there must have been some flaw it that made Blizzard move to a more mobile ability. It may have been to easy to avoid when it was connected to a building. | ||
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wcr.4fun
Belgium686 Posts
I can already imagine casters hyping up the oracle harrass: 'OMFG look at that sick entomb!!!!' *crowd cheering* Or 'Is he going to get that pre-ordain off or not!!?? | ||
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Gooner
Sweden10 Posts
On other notes I think that the mothership core went from having a real purpose to being totally random. Why can it move? It was so cool when it was going to be attached to the nexi and used simply as a defensive unit. I think that is what Protoss needed, a strong defensive unit. Now all of a sudden it became a semi-imba unit that can cloak other units in offense, but it is no longer very strong as a unit. I'm super confused about that decision. | ||
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Neurosis
United States893 Posts
On September 04 2012 01:01 wcr.4fun wrote: the oracle became even worse from a spectator point of view. Didn't think that was even possible. I can already imagine casters hyping up the oracle harrass: 'OMFG look at that sick entomb!!!!' *crowd cheering* Or 'Is he going to get that pre-ordain off or not!!?? That's obviously what they're going for but it's just hilarious how stupid it is. It takes no skill nor is it going to be exciting to watch. | ||
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