EPTOn September 03 2012 23:48 HDgBober wrote:
Beta for progamers started?
Beta for progamers started?
Apparently it does tomorrow.
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Lorch
Germany3667 Posts
Apparently it does tomorrow. | ||
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Fig
United States1324 Posts
On September 03 2012 21:03 Buchan wrote: From BNET: http://you.video.sina.com.cn/api/sinawebApi/outplayrefer.php/vid=84845657_1723863654_aE62Gio6Bm/K l1lHz2stqkP7KQNt6nkjmi3s1SnIwtdQ0/XM5GRZtUD5S/TB9kEqDhATJw3cfsg0ho/s.swf This map was deleted one day after they posted. I think it's not a personal made map because all models and icons are as same as offical ones. Although some unit names are in Chinese, you still can read and understand. Important Changes: Zerg: Ultralisks' frenzied ability have not been deleted. Terrian: Widow mines' damage was decreased to 160 from 200. BCs' damage to ground was increased to 10 from 8. Reapers' regeneration ability doesn't need research, the upgrade to their speed is still there. Protoss: Oracles' cloak field ability was deleted, instead, they can scan a target area, all cloaked and burrowed units will be visible for 20s. Tempests' damage decreased to 30 and no longer have additional damage to massive units, attack speed decreased from 6 to 3.3. The purifier ability of mothership core has been changed to 25 damage, range 7 lasts 45 seconds from 60 damage, range 13 lasts 20 seconds. Mothership core now have a new ugly model. Mothership core now can move with a speed of 0.47. Mothership core's teleport to nexus ability has been deleted. Mothership core now have 100 shield and 150 Hp, down from 350/350. Mothership now have cloak field ability. Mothership's vortex ability now stun the units in target area for 20s and prevent any damage to these units. I really hope this isn't the case. If so, this is just Blizzard back to their old tricks of removing versatility and micro from the game. Why make Oracles so one-dimensional? At least with cloak they could be used for base defense as well as harass. Now they will be another phoenix that the opponent counters by just killing you because you invested so much gas into it. And at the same time they drastically lower the micro potential of the Tempest. I see Blizzard hasn't learned anything from their gutting of the void ray. With this mentality, no matter how hard they try, Stargate units will always suck. | ||
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Hakanfrog
Sweden690 Posts
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Kaleidos
Italy172 Posts
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gedatsu
1286 Posts
On September 03 2012 23:39 DarkLordOlli wrote: Tempests fire too slowly and do too little damage to kill 15+ brood lords + a ton of infestors before you lose your entire army and half your bases. Plus, it's great that protoss now has to rely on 20 second vision. It'll take about 30 minutes to kill an army this way, and that's only if zerg doesn't make units and doesn't move out. It's a horrible idea. The only change they need to make is fungal growth revealing cloaked units. Well, for starters. I think the infestor needs far more work than that. But at least tempests would be viable this way. BLs are slow as fuck. It takes 8 tempest shots to down a BL, so with 4 tempests (very affordable if the other guy has 15 BLs) it takes on average 6.6 seconds per BL. With 22 range you can kill quite a few before they even reach you. Pull back and repeat. | ||
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Incomplet
United Kingdom1419 Posts
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Grummler
Germany743 Posts
On September 03 2012 23:32 Lineridarz wrote: No, it makes it impossible for protoss to EVER win in the lategame.. Even with carrier / templar, protoss still needs vortex. On September 03 2012 23:31 DarkLordOlli wrote: So basically, you can now never ever ever beat BL/infestor in a battle. It now doesn't even depend on zerg screwing up anymore. Great. Unless they make this new vortex ability have a FAR bigger range than fungal growth and NP, no protoss will ever go to lategame anymore. I mean, what unit will now counter BL/infestor? The tempest? Well, that thing dies too quickly and doesn't even do enough damage for zerg to really care about it. Also hey, infestors counter observers too so you won't even be able to use the range. This change is horrible and I hope it won't happen. Seriously guys. Design wise this change is totaly fine. Less coin flipping is good. Balance wise... well, i am always amazed how you can totaly see immediatly how everything will interact and turn out at the end. I don't think the beta is even necessary, as you already figured everything out. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20275 Posts
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Tao367
United Kingdom324 Posts
On September 03 2012 23:49 DarQraven wrote: Perhaps I'm misunderstanding this, but doesn't the way Blizzard has used "attack speed" stats in the past mean that 3.3 is *faster* than 6? As in, the Tempest was actually buffed? I've always understood that stat to represent the delay between shots, in which case we're a lot better off with the new Tempest. Old: 1x 30dmg (60dmg vs massive) every 6 seconds = 5 dps normal, 10 dps vs massive. New: 1x 30dmg every 3.3 seconds = 9 dps vs all targets, but better ability to kite due to faster attack rate. It would actually do better vs non-massive targets than before. The Tempest did 45 vs everything and 60 vs massive, so 7.5 and 10dps. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13379 Posts
I will still wait for official leaks which should happen sometime soon somewhere if the keys are out in the wild. | ||
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
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Aterons_toss
Romania1275 Posts
Studies did show that the less control a player has in a battle over his own units the more enjoyable a game is. I really wonder if at the end of LotV pvz will basically be like frost mage vs aff lock. | ||
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KDrake
Canada66 Posts
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Lorch
Germany3667 Posts
On September 04 2012 00:15 KDrake wrote: Well, Protoss players did complain about the only mobile form of detection coming from the Robo... I suppose this can allow a Protoss committing to Stargate tech to have an Observer-lite Thats like a really interesting point, when I go templar or heavy stargate it's always annoying to still being forced to go robo for obs, this actually helps a lot. | ||
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Tao367
United Kingdom324 Posts
On September 04 2012 00:15 KDrake wrote: Well, Protoss players did complain about the only mobile form of detection coming from the Robo... I suppose this can allow a Protoss committing to Stargate tech to have an Observer-lite That's why there were massive arguments a while back saying that observers should come from the nexus, with the requirement being any t2 tech (twilight council, stargate or Robo). | ||
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pycho
Paraguay372 Posts
On September 04 2012 00:20 Tao367 wrote: That's why there were massive arguments a while back saying that observers should come from the nexus, with the requirement being any t2 tech (twilight council, stargate or Robo). its not necessarily about observers, when pvt gets to super lategame and terrans have 25 ghosts and use scans to kill the observers things get hard and Protoss needs to camp close to canons, with oracle having scan the problem will be solved | ||
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snailz
Croatia900 Posts
On September 04 2012 00:13 Kommander wrote: Wait, oracle scan just to reveal cloaked and burrowed units for 20 seconds? I can just make observers that will reveal cloaked and burrowed units for an indefinite amount of time! And I was looking forward to the oracle being somewhat of an arbiter like unit that cloaks and supports. Very bad change if it's true. it opens stargate tech in pvp because random dt's don't end any game without robo also, lategame tvp edit: nvm | ||
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ZeromuS
Canada13379 Posts
On September 04 2012 00:32 snailz wrote: it opens stargate tech in pvp because random dt's don't end any game without robo Stargate builds PvP won't have an oracle. Phoenixes are still a more reliable opening since the oracle is a light unit and will die EXTREMELY quickly to pheonixes and aren't THAT much faster than the phoenix as it is. Currently, only the most greedy stargate openings lose to Dark Templar as it is so it doesn't matter. | ||
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Tao367
United Kingdom324 Posts
On September 04 2012 00:32 snailz wrote: it opens stargate tech in pvp because random dt's don't end any game without robo also, lategame tvp edit: nvm The weird thing about it is, a lot of things with the pvp meta game are issues exactly like you've described. You can't go stargate without a fast robo for dt's etc. You can't go carriers, because stalkers will destroy them etc. With the mothership core and other early game changes, I think pvp will actually be interesting in hots. As atm it gets my vote for most boring matchup. | ||
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snailz
Croatia900 Posts
On September 04 2012 00:34 ZeromuS wrote: Stargate builds PvP won't have an oracle. Phoenixes are still a more reliable opening since the oracle is a light unit and will die EXTREMELY quickly to pheonixes and aren't THAT much faster than the phoenix as it is. Currently, only the most greedy stargate openings lose to Dark Templar as it is so it doesn't matter. wait what? i said that you will be able to go stargate freely without getting robo and slowing down your tech... let's say you go fast fleetbacon, i don't think current war of the worlds pvp style will work anymore. you just throw in a oracle for detection, to be safe but it's all theorycrafting, i don't like to do that anymore. i know for a fact pro's complained about stargate tech pvp and problem with detection, though. | ||
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