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Cinim
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark866 Posts
August 02 2012 22:15 GMT
#121
I know gold players with more knowledge about the game than high master, and grandmaster players.

Balance has nothing to do with playing the actual game...
In-game is about good mechanics and high speed, and while you need good knowledge about the game, it's about fast decision making, while balancing does not require you to make fast decisions, but you need to spend a LONG time deciding. Also, since patches will be tested, it still lets good players test them..
Hell, it's about time
OopsOopsBaby
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Singapore3425 Posts
August 02 2012 22:15 GMT
#122
i dont get the point of this thread.
s3x2-2 xiao3x2+2 bone3+2+2
Jarree
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland1004 Posts
August 02 2012 22:15 GMT
#123
Is this a legitimate paying job or a "job" where some gamer is being exploited by paying him 200€/month for doing some basic maptesting etc? Sure the "job" is sold with nice words like balance team etc, but what i know from the gaming industry...
DemigodcelpH
Profile Joined August 2011
1138 Posts
August 02 2012 22:16 GMT
#124
This explain a lot about the current imbalances.

User was temp banned for this post.
SgtCoDFish
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1520 Posts
August 02 2012 22:17 GMT
#125
The number of people who jumped on the hate train without even the smallest bit of thought makes me very sad.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
August 02 2012 22:17 GMT
#126
On August 03 2012 07:15 Cinim wrote:
I know gold players with more knowledge about the game than high master, and grandmaster players.

Balance has nothing to do with playing the actual game...
In-game is about good mechanics and high speed, and while you need good knowledge about the game, it's about fast decision making, while balancing does not require you to make fast decisions, but you need to spend a LONG time deciding. Also, since patches will be tested, it still lets good players test them..

There is a 0% chance a player who can't get out of gold has more game knowledge than a GM player.
Nimic
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway1360 Posts
August 02 2012 22:18 GMT
#127
On August 03 2012 06:51 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 06:47 Daray wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:45 Shiori wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:44 WickedBit wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:39 Shiori wrote:
Oh god. I have never met a Diamond player with any sort of deep knowledge about the metagame. All I've heard is a lot of excuses about a lack of skill but huge knowledge (pretty much always a lie; pro players know minutiae that most "smart" Diamond players don't even know exists) and some regurgitation of builds. Nobody in Diamond understands strategies on a deep level. Nobody.

Oh I am sure there are even masters level players with no understanding of the game who got there by repeating a few builds.
But at the same time there will probably be even gold level players who have a lot of understanding of the game by just following the tournament scene and reading up forum threads but not having the mechanical skill or time to place higher. The posting is just a job requirement meant to screen candidates. I am sure they will weed out the bad ones in the follow up interviews they have.

You could give any pro player a mouse only and they would make it out of Diamond with ease.


No they wouldn't don't be silly, besides his post was pretty good and accurate imo.

Are you joking lol? Even I could be Masters easily with just a mouse, let alone a pro gamer.


Eh, no. No you couldn't. Feel free to attempt it, though.
shizna
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom803 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 22:20:04
August 02 2012 22:19 GMT
#128
maybe they want to take action because the player pool is dropping like a stone?

the game is actually not fun anymore... the fun part is beating a decent opponent, but you can do that with playing online chess - you don't need to practice 12 hours a day to get that feeling.

SC2 balance at the moment is "DO THIS OTHERWISE YOU LOSE!"... there's no way to improvise or diversify anymore, it's not viable. it's all play boring standard or you'll probably lose.

as far as i'm concerned ... balance could not get much WORSE considering there is a designated balance team.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
August 02 2012 22:19 GMT
#129
On August 03 2012 07:13 Grampz wrote:
Is this serious? this can't be serious...

Dear lord, it is serious.

They're better off asking CASTERS for pete's sake. Specifically day9 who is "GM with all 3 races"......

Fortunately, they're more likely to not hire anyone at all than to hire some random Diamond-level chump.


On August 03 2012 06:53 blabber wrote:
i am a high masters random player and i already interviewed for the job a few weeks back. They told me they already have an internal team doing what they want, but will occasionally interview people to try find the "perfect" candidate.


On August 03 2012 07:05 blabber wrote:
having been through the interview process already, i can assure you that skill alone will not get you the job. And to be honest, they're probably not going to hire anybody in the end. (a while back a friend interviewed for a similar position because they were in need of a Protoss player, but he told me they ended up not hiring anyone)

ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
Verror
Profile Joined March 2011
261 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 22:25:17
August 02 2012 22:20 GMT
#130
On August 03 2012 07:18 Nimic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 06:51 ZAiNs wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:47 Daray wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:45 Shiori wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:44 WickedBit wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:39 Shiori wrote:
Oh god. I have never met a Diamond player with any sort of deep knowledge about the metagame. All I've heard is a lot of excuses about a lack of skill but huge knowledge (pretty much always a lie; pro players know minutiae that most "smart" Diamond players don't even know exists) and some regurgitation of builds. Nobody in Diamond understands strategies on a deep level. Nobody.

Oh I am sure there are even masters level players with no understanding of the game who got there by repeating a few builds.
But at the same time there will probably be even gold level players who have a lot of understanding of the game by just following the tournament scene and reading up forum threads but not having the mechanical skill or time to place higher. The posting is just a job requirement meant to screen candidates. I am sure they will weed out the bad ones in the follow up interviews they have.

You could give any pro player a mouse only and they would make it out of Diamond with ease.


No they wouldn't don't be silly, besides his post was pretty good and accurate imo.

Are you joking lol? Even I could be Masters easily with just a mouse, let alone a pro gamer.


Eh, no. No you couldn't. Feel free to attempt it, though.


I call bs on that too, didn't a diamond player beat MvP w/o a keyboard on Off the Record?

edit: keyboard, not mouse >.< thx for the catch
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
August 02 2012 22:20 GMT
#131
Love how everyone assumes a diamond level player is going to be the ultimate authority on balance from now on.

There's a million other factors to it. All they want is someone who understands the game at least on a basic level, for now.
jcroisdale
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1543 Posts
August 02 2012 22:20 GMT
#132
lol well that cant do much worse then what we got now.
"I think bringing a toddler to a movie theater is a terrible idea. They are too young to understand what is happening it would be like giving your toddler acid. Bad idea." - Sinensis
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10673 Posts
August 02 2012 22:21 GMT
#133
Funny, they should be getting only GM random players on KR server :-D ... I'm sure they are more skilled than any Random Diamond user..
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12235 Posts
August 02 2012 22:21 GMT
#134
I encourage anyone who meets these requirements and knows how to properly analyze game balance and produce structured reports to apply for this position. Seems like it would be a pretty good foot in the door into the industry. Unfortunately it's temp work and that means no benefits, but still sounds like fun to anyone who's looking.
Moderator
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
August 02 2012 22:22 GMT
#135
On August 03 2012 07:20 Verror wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 07:18 Nimic wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:51 ZAiNs wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:47 Daray wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:45 Shiori wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:44 WickedBit wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:39 Shiori wrote:
Oh god. I have never met a Diamond player with any sort of deep knowledge about the metagame. All I've heard is a lot of excuses about a lack of skill but huge knowledge (pretty much always a lie; pro players know minutiae that most "smart" Diamond players don't even know exists) and some regurgitation of builds. Nobody in Diamond understands strategies on a deep level. Nobody.

Oh I am sure there are even masters level players with no understanding of the game who got there by repeating a few builds.
But at the same time there will probably be even gold level players who have a lot of understanding of the game by just following the tournament scene and reading up forum threads but not having the mechanical skill or time to place higher. The posting is just a job requirement meant to screen candidates. I am sure they will weed out the bad ones in the follow up interviews they have.

You could give any pro player a mouse only and they would make it out of Diamond with ease.


No they wouldn't don't be silly, besides his post was pretty good and accurate imo.

Are you joking lol? Even I could be Masters easily with just a mouse, let alone a pro gamer.


Eh, no. No you couldn't. Feel free to attempt it, though.


I call bs on that too, didn't a diamond player beat MvP w/o a mouse on Off the Record?

Pretty sure Losira won some games at MLG on the main stage without a keyboard functioning.

It's essentially impossible to play without a mouse.
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
August 02 2012 22:22 GMT
#136
On August 03 2012 07:20 Verror wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 07:18 Nimic wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:51 ZAiNs wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:47 Daray wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:45 Shiori wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:44 WickedBit wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:39 Shiori wrote:
Oh god. I have never met a Diamond player with any sort of deep knowledge about the metagame. All I've heard is a lot of excuses about a lack of skill but huge knowledge (pretty much always a lie; pro players know minutiae that most "smart" Diamond players don't even know exists) and some regurgitation of builds. Nobody in Diamond understands strategies on a deep level. Nobody.

Oh I am sure there are even masters level players with no understanding of the game who got there by repeating a few builds.
But at the same time there will probably be even gold level players who have a lot of understanding of the game by just following the tournament scene and reading up forum threads but not having the mechanical skill or time to place higher. The posting is just a job requirement meant to screen candidates. I am sure they will weed out the bad ones in the follow up interviews they have.

You could give any pro player a mouse only and they would make it out of Diamond with ease.


No they wouldn't don't be silly, besides his post was pretty good and accurate imo.

Are you joking lol? Even I could be Masters easily with just a mouse, let alone a pro gamer.


Eh, no. No you couldn't. Feel free to attempt it, though.


I call bs on that too, didn't a diamond player beat MvP w/o a mouse on Off the Record?

I'm pretty sure Mvp won that one. But I strongly doubt a nonprofessional player could get to masters with mouse only.
PowerDes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States520 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 22:24:27
August 02 2012 22:23 GMT
#137
On August 03 2012 06:57 blabber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 06:35 princealexander wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:30 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
There is no 100% random player in Master/GM, no ?

I know guy who is 100% random, was GM some seasons ago

LgNWhisper is a GM random player on NA


I had a friend of a friend refer me for the job, never got a response from blizzard. My assumption is they are looking for someone with more time, as I am still a full time student.
twitch.tv/PowerDes
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 22:25:40
August 02 2012 22:23 GMT
#138
On August 03 2012 07:15 Cinim wrote:
I know gold players with more knowledge about the game than high master, and grandmaster players.

Balance has nothing to do with playing the actual game...
In-game is about good mechanics and high speed, and while you need good knowledge about the game, it's about fast decision making, while balancing does not require you to make fast decisions, but you need to spend a LONG time deciding. Also, since patches will be tested, it still lets good players test them..


you're master with 50apm, don't fool yourself. (yeah i was :D)
gold players have 0 understanding of the game and are unable to follow correctly a build for more than 2minutes.
Zest fanboy.
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
August 02 2012 22:24 GMT
#139
Don't worry guys, I will be submitting my resume in short order:

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=349142
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=271598
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=251432
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=312887
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=250643

Your game will be amazing in no time!
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
August 02 2012 22:24 GMT
#140
Way to jump to conclusions OP. I guess it's cool to hate.
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