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PDizzle
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark1754 Posts
August 02 2012 22:25 GMT
#141
On August 03 2012 07:22 Zane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 07:20 Verror wrote:
On August 03 2012 07:18 Nimic wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:51 ZAiNs wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:47 Daray wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:45 Shiori wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:44 WickedBit wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:39 Shiori wrote:
Oh god. I have never met a Diamond player with any sort of deep knowledge about the metagame. All I've heard is a lot of excuses about a lack of skill but huge knowledge (pretty much always a lie; pro players know minutiae that most "smart" Diamond players don't even know exists) and some regurgitation of builds. Nobody in Diamond understands strategies on a deep level. Nobody.

Oh I am sure there are even masters level players with no understanding of the game who got there by repeating a few builds.
But at the same time there will probably be even gold level players who have a lot of understanding of the game by just following the tournament scene and reading up forum threads but not having the mechanical skill or time to place higher. The posting is just a job requirement meant to screen candidates. I am sure they will weed out the bad ones in the follow up interviews they have.

You could give any pro player a mouse only and they would make it out of Diamond with ease.


No they wouldn't don't be silly, besides his post was pretty good and accurate imo.

Are you joking lol? Even I could be Masters easily with just a mouse, let alone a pro gamer.


Eh, no. No you couldn't. Feel free to attempt it, though.


I call bs on that too, didn't a diamond player beat MvP w/o a mouse on Off the Record?

I'm pretty sure Mvp won that one. But I strongly doubt a nonprofessional player could get to masters with mouse only.

didn't losira beat incontrol using only his mouse at some mlg? (keyboard stopped working or something, can't quite recall the tale)
courtpanda
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
866 Posts
August 02 2012 22:25 GMT
#142
diamond minimum.

imo diamond is just a place where its harder to just outmacro people and just muscle them out with whatever units you want, and composition begins to actually matter.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 22:26:34
August 02 2012 22:25 GMT
#143
On August 03 2012 07:20 Verror wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 07:18 Nimic wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:51 ZAiNs wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:47 Daray wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:45 Shiori wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:44 WickedBit wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:39 Shiori wrote:
Oh god. I have never met a Diamond player with any sort of deep knowledge about the metagame. All I've heard is a lot of excuses about a lack of skill but huge knowledge (pretty much always a lie; pro players know minutiae that most "smart" Diamond players don't even know exists) and some regurgitation of builds. Nobody in Diamond understands strategies on a deep level. Nobody.

Oh I am sure there are even masters level players with no understanding of the game who got there by repeating a few builds.
But at the same time there will probably be even gold level players who have a lot of understanding of the game by just following the tournament scene and reading up forum threads but not having the mechanical skill or time to place higher. The posting is just a job requirement meant to screen candidates. I am sure they will weed out the bad ones in the follow up interviews they have.

You could give any pro player a mouse only and they would make it out of Diamond with ease.


No they wouldn't don't be silly, besides his post was pretty good and accurate imo.

Are you joking lol? Even I could be Masters easily with just a mouse, let alone a pro gamer.


Eh, no. No you couldn't. Feel free to attempt it, though.


I call bs on that too, didn't a diamond player beat MvP w/o a mouse on Off the Record?

Without a mouse is compleeetely different to mouse only. With mouse only you could beat win almost every game until Masters with a 4 Gate.

On August 03 2012 07:25 PDizzle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 07:22 Zane wrote:
On August 03 2012 07:20 Verror wrote:
On August 03 2012 07:18 Nimic wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:51 ZAiNs wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:47 Daray wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:45 Shiori wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:44 WickedBit wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:39 Shiori wrote:
Oh god. I have never met a Diamond player with any sort of deep knowledge about the metagame. All I've heard is a lot of excuses about a lack of skill but huge knowledge (pretty much always a lie; pro players know minutiae that most "smart" Diamond players don't even know exists) and some regurgitation of builds. Nobody in Diamond understands strategies on a deep level. Nobody.

Oh I am sure there are even masters level players with no understanding of the game who got there by repeating a few builds.
But at the same time there will probably be even gold level players who have a lot of understanding of the game by just following the tournament scene and reading up forum threads but not having the mechanical skill or time to place higher. The posting is just a job requirement meant to screen candidates. I am sure they will weed out the bad ones in the follow up interviews they have.

You could give any pro player a mouse only and they would make it out of Diamond with ease.


No they wouldn't don't be silly, besides his post was pretty good and accurate imo.

Are you joking lol? Even I could be Masters easily with just a mouse, let alone a pro gamer.


Eh, no. No you couldn't. Feel free to attempt it, though.


I call bs on that too, didn't a diamond player beat MvP w/o a mouse on Off the Record?

I'm pretty sure Mvp won that one. But I strongly doubt a nonprofessional player could get to masters with mouse only.

didn't losira beat incontrol using only his mouse at some mlg? (keyboard stopped working or something, can't quite recall the tale)

He said his keyboard stopped functioning in the middle of the game, and based on how badly he played that game I'm inclined to believe it, he did lose that game but he easily won the series.
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 22:28:15
August 02 2012 22:26 GMT
#144
does anyone here know what this job is about and what he/she will be doing or is everyone assuming they will help with the balance of WoL or HotS in terms of patches?

i have a feeling this has to be more about map making (be it custom or melee maps) than actually balancing the game

its hard to apply to something that you dont know what it really is, which makes me skeptical. not to mention the silly low diamond+ requirement that makes me feel this is something anyone can do ? :p

if they wanted actual balance help they should reach out to progamers which they say they do (they dont, and they barely never did) and if they want mapmakers they should contact our mapmakers directly i feel (those guys have high ambition)
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2959 Posts
August 02 2012 22:26 GMT
#145
On August 03 2012 07:24 Bibbit wrote:
Don't worry guys, I will be submitting my resume in short order:

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=349142
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=271598
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=251432
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=312887
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=250643

Your game will be amazing in no time!


^^
Granted you're probably just kidding anyways, but they'll surely be impressed by your headlines.
"Sc2 Blows But It's Okay, I Just Fixed It"
WrathBringerReturns said: No no no. Sarcasm is detected in the voice. When this forum is riddled with stupidity, you think I can tell every post apart? Fair enough it was intended sarcastically, was it obvious? Of course not.
Mystgun
Profile Joined September 2010
Hong Kong311 Posts
August 02 2012 22:26 GMT
#146
If you guys actually read the description, it says "at least Diamond as a Random race player". They are looking for someone who is agnostic to all the races to provide some input, most likely based on internal changes they plan to experiment with. Someone who is at least Diamond would understand the game enough from the perspectives of all the different match-ups to give some useful feedback, without too much bias toward any particular race.

The job description also has the following:
Able to follow directions, and work as a team
Excellent written and verbal communication skills

This would certainly bar most of you from qualifying for the position.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 22:27:41
August 02 2012 22:26 GMT
#147
On August 03 2012 07:25 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 07:20 Verror wrote:
On August 03 2012 07:18 Nimic wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:51 ZAiNs wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:47 Daray wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:45 Shiori wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:44 WickedBit wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:39 Shiori wrote:
Oh god. I have never met a Diamond player with any sort of deep knowledge about the metagame. All I've heard is a lot of excuses about a lack of skill but huge knowledge (pretty much always a lie; pro players know minutiae that most "smart" Diamond players don't even know exists) and some regurgitation of builds. Nobody in Diamond understands strategies on a deep level. Nobody.

Oh I am sure there are even masters level players with no understanding of the game who got there by repeating a few builds.
But at the same time there will probably be even gold level players who have a lot of understanding of the game by just following the tournament scene and reading up forum threads but not having the mechanical skill or time to place higher. The posting is just a job requirement meant to screen candidates. I am sure they will weed out the bad ones in the follow up interviews they have.

You could give any pro player a mouse only and they would make it out of Diamond with ease.


No they wouldn't don't be silly, besides his post was pretty good and accurate imo.

Are you joking lol? Even I could be Masters easily with just a mouse, let alone a pro gamer.


Eh, no. No you couldn't. Feel free to attempt it, though.


I call bs on that too, didn't a diamond player beat MvP w/o a mouse on Off the Record?

Without a mouse is compleeetely different to mouse only. With mouse only you could beat win almost every game until Masters with a 4 Gate.


100% sure a good mechanical player can go to high master with a 4g mouse only. Espcially coming from bw.

On August 03 2012 07:26 MorroW wrote:
does anyone here know what this job is about and what he/she will be doing or is everyone assuming they will help with the balance of WoL or HotS in terms of patches?

i have a feeling this has to be more about map making (be it custom or melee maps) than actually balancing the game

its hard to apply to something that you dont know what it really is, which makes me skeptical. not to mention the silly low diamond+ requirement that makes me feel this is something anyone can do ? :p

they should hire the whole ICA team imo
Zest fanboy.
Leetley
Profile Joined October 2010
1796 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 22:27:57
August 02 2012 22:27 GMT
#148
Asking diamond level players? That is one bare minimum requirement for the job. Pretty misleading thread name.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 22:34:56
August 02 2012 22:34 GMT
#149
They didn't say low diamond, they said at least diamond. Stop acting like they're handing out jobs to any chucklefuck that applies. Being an expert at 6pooling used to be the bare minimum to get into grand masters but it didn't mean you were going to be picked up by a korean team.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Hermasaurus
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
54 Posts
August 02 2012 22:34 GMT
#150
On August 03 2012 06:37 pallad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 06:23 Megaliskuu wrote:
Its sad cuz diamond kids are the most tryhard, and possibly the most vocal about their silly ideas .


And you are ? master in NA ? its diamond EU..
TL community is geting really bad..

Yeah there is a new option available if you want to change servers that allows you to transfer your ladder status. So if you were to go from NA to EU Master = Diamond. Should you choose to goto Korean/Taiwan the exchange rate is Master from remaining servers goto Silver.

You really believe all this? You state it like there is a black and white exchange rate converts your current rank/actual skill, based on where you play.
And guess what, you've wandered into our school of tuna and we now have a taste of lion. We've talked to ourselves. We've communicated and said 'You know what, lion tastes good, let's go get some more lion'
malaan
Profile Joined September 2010
365 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 22:35:20
August 02 2012 22:35 GMT
#151
On August 03 2012 06:27 steff wrote:
There are hundreds of pro gamers that have a incredible understand of the game and its balancing, might be a better idea to turn to some of them rather than a random diamond. Well you would logically think so...


Pro gamers are unreliably biased because they play the game for a living, to make money with their race. They need unbiased people on the team regardless of super high GM skill.
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 22:41:22
August 02 2012 22:39 GMT
#152
On August 03 2012 07:35 malaan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 06:27 steff wrote:
There are hundreds of pro gamers that have a incredible understand of the game and its balancing, might be a better idea to turn to some of them rather than a random diamond. Well you would logically think so...


Pro gamers are unreliably biased because they play the game for a living, to make money with their race. They need unbiased people on the team regardless of super high GM skill.


If you aren't high GM there is no way you can even begin to legitimately balance the game around the professional level. It's just not possible and if what MorroW is saying is true (many other pros have said the same thing), that's probably a huge part of SC2's issues right now. If they took into account pro feedback from the large number of high level players from all races that would help mitigate this bias. Someone who isn't a pro may be unbiased but they are ultimately 100 times more useless when it comes to balance.
Rah
Profile Joined February 2010
United States973 Posts
August 02 2012 22:39 GMT
#153
Diamond's a little low for making balance decisions. Blizzard should make the rule only David Kim has a say in things, I'm thinking he'd talk to the right people. Get the command and conquer and x-box live guys out of there.
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Bojas
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2397 Posts
August 02 2012 22:40 GMT
#154
As a diamond player I suck way too much to give have a legit opinion on balance, and having a ton of silly conversations with ladder opponents has learned me that it's not a good idea to ask a diamond player high level questions about this game.
oxxo
Profile Joined February 2010
988 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 22:41:39
August 02 2012 22:40 GMT
#155
What a worthless post and sensationalist title. Read the entire job posting, instead of picking and choosing what you can in order to hate on Blizzard. It's an assistant job with many other job duties.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10345 Posts
August 02 2012 22:41 GMT
#156
Lol? Some commentators, who have great knowledge about the recent trends in strategy (and understand why they are doing that and such), are not in diamond, let alone play random.

The diamond requirement may seem like a joke, but it's just a low limit. There should be many with exceptions. What if someone is really intelligent but is handicapped or such?

Anyways...

DAMN I WOULD LOVE TO WORK FOR SC2 SHIT FUCK LOL

too bad it's temporary
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Xyik
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada728 Posts
August 02 2012 22:41 GMT
#157
They should be searching for Master level and above. The candidate should also play on a consistent basis and watch tournaments regularly.
Sorkoas
Profile Joined May 2010
549 Posts
August 02 2012 22:41 GMT
#158
David Kim is looking for a protege?
Blade Fox
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States215 Posts
August 02 2012 22:44 GMT
#159
ITMEJP
Blame it on my A.D.D
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
August 02 2012 22:45 GMT
#160
On August 03 2012 07:27 Leetley wrote:
Asking diamond level players? That is one bare minimum requirement for the job. Pretty misleading thread name.


It's a misleading thread in general:

- being diamond is one of the requirements
- junior position, influence upon design in a hierarchical structure such as blizzard will be minimal. Probably nothing more than a tester for feedback
- requirements are always negotiable
- job has been listed for a couple of months at least now. Really freaking old news
- thread opens with a negative bias meaning most people here are incited to attack or defend diamond players further
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