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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
August 02 2012 22:02 GMT
#101
I'm guessing they ask them to be random to understand the game better and to keep some bias off.
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TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
August 02 2012 22:02 GMT
#102
Hum, I don't hit the map editor requirements... Otherwise I would apply :-(
Isualin
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1903 Posts
August 02 2012 22:02 GMT
#103
if they ask for grandmaster and random there will be so few applicants. they want people who want this job with game knowledge AND a lot of other qualifications. also notice it is diamond or higher so people in higher leagues will have advantage over diamond "scrubs" like me.
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Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
August 02 2012 22:04 GMT
#104
no racial bias + some ability and love for the game is a good idea no?
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
August 02 2012 22:04 GMT
#105
On August 03 2012 07:01 0neder wrote:
Blizzard should accept balance advice from noone except those currently on top teams in top tournaments. This is ridiculous. They should have no 'balance' employees, only game designers. The positive incentive to make 'balance' changes is messing up the game.

There are other requirements besides balance design.

Blizzard Entertainment is looking for a talented assistant game designer to join the StarCraft II team on a temporary 4 to 6 month period. Duties include balance design, multiplayer map testing, and general game design.
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Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
August 02 2012 22:04 GMT
#106
On August 03 2012 06:30 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
There is no 100% random player in Master/GM, no ?

My friend is Masters on 3 accounts, 3 separate races.
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ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
August 02 2012 22:05 GMT
#107
On August 03 2012 07:01 0neder wrote:
Blizzard should accept balance advice from noone except those currently on top teams in top tournaments. This is ridiculous. They should have no 'balance' employees, only game designers. The positive incentive to make 'balance' changes is messing up the game.

Read the OP... "Duties include balance design, multiplayer map testing, and general game design." Their job isn't exclusively to balance design.
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
August 02 2012 22:05 GMT
#108
having been through the interview process already, i can assure you that skill alone will not get you the job. And to be honest, they're probably not going to hire anybody in the end. (a while back a friend interviewed for a similar position because they were in need of a Protoss player, but he told me they ended up not hiring anyone)
blabberrrrr
firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
August 02 2012 22:06 GMT
#109
im hoping part of this reasoning is them assuming their ideal candidate takes their work seriously and are too busy studying to really rank up the ladder, hence thats why diamond is acceptable...im guessing there would be a lot more testing of their balancing skills when they are interviewed
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FatkiddsLag
Profile Joined May 2010
United States413 Posts
August 02 2012 22:06 GMT
#110
there arent many random players in masters. if you are good enough to be diamond random then you have a pretty good knowledge of the game and you are probably less bias towards any one race.
Minigun
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
619 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 22:08:46
August 02 2012 22:08 GMT
#111
Err just about any gm player could be masters with any race, the mechanics carry over, you don't even need to know refined builds.
“Quiet people have the loudest minds.” ― Stephen Hawking
GuardianEU
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands488 Posts
August 02 2012 22:08 GMT
#112
On August 03 2012 06:27 steff wrote:
There are hundreds of pro gamers that have a incredible understand of the game and its balancing, might be a better idea to turn to some of them rather than a random diamond. Well you would logically think so...


except that pro gamers are financially motivated by their race winning more, whereas it has absolutely no effect on a diamond random player. the random part reduces racial bias per tester to a minimum, while the diamond part makes sure thye know at least something about the game. my guess is there probably aren't enough random master leaguers who would be willing to put possibly a long time into trying to balance this game.
Standard.
StateofReverie
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States633 Posts
August 02 2012 22:08 GMT
#113
well at least its random, I definitely have more confidence in a random player that is diamond rather then a diamond player in an individual race
Hummingb1rd
Profile Joined December 2010
United States97 Posts
August 02 2012 22:09 GMT
#114
Hmm... i should apply! High masters/GM random! :D
catplanetcatplanet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3830 Posts
August 02 2012 22:09 GMT
#115
GUINEAPIG RETURN
I think it's finally time to admit it might not be the year of Pet
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
August 02 2012 22:09 GMT
#116
On August 03 2012 06:50 WickedBit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 06:45 Shiori wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:44 WickedBit wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:39 Shiori wrote:
Oh god. I have never met a Diamond player with any sort of deep knowledge about the metagame. All I've heard is a lot of excuses about a lack of skill but huge knowledge (pretty much always a lie; pro players know minutiae that most "smart" Diamond players don't even know exists) and some regurgitation of builds. Nobody in Diamond understands strategies on a deep level. Nobody.

Oh I am sure there are even masters level players with no understanding of the game who got there by repeating a few builds.
But at the same time there will probably be even gold level players who have a lot of understanding of the game by just following the tournament scene and reading up forum threads but not having the mechanical skill or time to place higher. The posting is just a job requirement meant to screen candidates. I am sure they will weed out the bad ones in the follow up interviews they have.

You could give any pro player a mouse only and they would make it out of Diamond with ease.


No doubt they could, but it still doesn't understand what that has to do with understanding balance. Somehow understanding the game has become synonymous with skill in playing their race which is not necessarily true.

I'm saying that you could deprive a pro of most of their mechanical ability and they would still get high rank purely on strats. Ergo, someone in Diamond doesn't have legendary knowledge.
_vk_
Profile Joined April 2010
219 Posts
August 02 2012 22:10 GMT
#117
And this is a surprise to anyone why? They're shown time and again that they don't actually care that much about the highest level of play.

With good reason, too--an overwhelming portion of their customers are low level players. If IdrA complains about there being a problem with the game, there's a thread on TL. But if the 90% of the players that are in plat and lower find the game no fun or 'too hard' or something along those lines, they tell their friends and Blizzard loses potential buyers.
"Everyone has weaknesses. For most people it's that they're bad at the game. " -- IdrA
anrimayu
Profile Joined June 2011
United States875 Posts
August 02 2012 22:10 GMT
#118
On August 03 2012 07:04 Whatson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 06:30 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
There is no 100% random player in Master/GM, no ?

My friend is Masters on 3 accounts, 3 separate races.


I got to random masters by only using 6pool, 2rax n 2gate proxy. Whats your point?
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Daray
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
6006 Posts
August 02 2012 22:13 GMT
#119
On August 03 2012 07:05 blabber wrote:
having been through the interview process already, i can assure you that skill alone will not get you the job. And to be honest, they're probably not going to hire anybody in the end. (a while back a friend interviewed for a similar position because they were in need of a Protoss player, but he told me they ended up not hiring anyone)


Im just gonna quote this so people might actually read it before posting. Internet makes me angry
Grampz
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2147 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 22:14:16
August 02 2012 22:13 GMT
#120
Is this serious? this can't be serious...

Dear lord, it is serious.

They're better off asking CASTERS for pete's sake. Specifically day9 who is "GM with all 3 races"......
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