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ThePianoDentist
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom698 Posts
August 02 2012 21:50 GMT
#81
meeting the minimum requirements to be considered and being given the job are two very different things.

considering you have to be a random player to apply this will rule out many masters players and they probably just want to make sure they get a good number of applicants to be able to pick the right person.

Brood War Protoss, SC2 Terran/Protoss
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
August 02 2012 21:51 GMT
#82
On August 03 2012 06:47 Daray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 06:45 Shiori wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:44 WickedBit wrote:
On August 03 2012 06:39 Shiori wrote:
Oh god. I have never met a Diamond player with any sort of deep knowledge about the metagame. All I've heard is a lot of excuses about a lack of skill but huge knowledge (pretty much always a lie; pro players know minutiae that most "smart" Diamond players don't even know exists) and some regurgitation of builds. Nobody in Diamond understands strategies on a deep level. Nobody.

Oh I am sure there are even masters level players with no understanding of the game who got there by repeating a few builds.
But at the same time there will probably be even gold level players who have a lot of understanding of the game by just following the tournament scene and reading up forum threads but not having the mechanical skill or time to place higher. The posting is just a job requirement meant to screen candidates. I am sure they will weed out the bad ones in the follow up interviews they have.

You could give any pro player a mouse only and they would make it out of Diamond with ease.


No they wouldn't don't be silly, besides his post was pretty good and accurate imo.

Are you joking lol? Even I could be Masters easily with just a mouse, let alone a pro gamer.
Dakure
Profile Joined February 2011
United States513 Posts
August 02 2012 21:51 GMT
#83
Keep in mind this is minimum requirement. Just like some schools require a2.5 GPA to apply, but since almost everyone that applies exceeds the mimimum, the entering class ends up having a 3.8 GPA.
K3Nyy
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
August 02 2012 21:51 GMT
#84
Diamond league is FAR too low.

Diamond players are in diamond because they don't understand the game at a fundamental level whether they play random or not, so there is no way Blizzard should ever be asking them.

If anything, they should be asking top tier progamers instead. They understand the game better than anyone else regardless of whether they play a certain race or not. There is NO reason why they have to ask diamond level players for help.
Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
August 02 2012 21:52 GMT
#85
It's a minimum criteria for a minimally influential position. They have an interviewing/hiring process. Why limit themselves? They want more input, more ideas. Good for them.
Big water
WickedBit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States343 Posts
August 02 2012 21:53 GMT
#86
On August 03 2012 06:50 Doublemint wrote:
How is that worth any outrage other than on reddit-esque style threads?

They want dia+ skilled random players to determine what seems cool as a gameplay idea and even ask them if they found it was strong/too strong in their opinion - big deal?

Is it good to give rather average gamers a chance to contribute to the game they love quite a lot and have a lot of creative input by them?

Yes.

Is it reasonable to assume they will heavily influence the balance of the game and ruin it for everyone due to the fact that blizzard makes them the masters of balance design?

I don't think so.


This is where everyone is wrong. They don't want any random diamond level players. They want people with game designing experience who also happen to be random diamond + players. There is a big difference between the two.
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
August 02 2012 21:53 GMT
#87
i am a high masters random player and i already interviewed for the job a few weeks back. They told me they already have an internal team doing what they want, but will occasionally interview people to try find the "perfect" candidate.
blabberrrrr
Daray
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
6006 Posts
August 02 2012 21:54 GMT
#88
On August 03 2012 06:53 blabber wrote:
i am a high masters random player and i already interviewed for the job a few weeks back. They told me they already have an internal team doing what they want, but will occasionally interview people to try find the "perfect" candidate.


There we go put the pitchforks down and move on, thank you.
kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
August 02 2012 21:54 GMT
#89
wow, pretty sad
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
August 02 2012 21:56 GMT
#90
On August 03 2012 06:37 pallad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 06:23 Megaliskuu wrote:
Its sad cuz diamond kids are the most tryhard, and possibly the most vocal about their silly ideas .


And you are ? master in NA ? its diamond EU..
TL community is geting really bad..

That is so, so completely untrue. Having played both servers there is no difference except at very top, and even nowadays the top is pretty even due to a lot of koreans on na.
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Neurosis
Profile Joined October 2010
United States893 Posts
August 02 2012 21:56 GMT
#91
Slim pickings if they want high level random players.
julianto
Profile Joined December 2010
2292 Posts
August 02 2012 21:56 GMT
#92
On August 03 2012 06:50 ThePianoDentist wrote:
meeting the minimum requirements to be considered and being given the job are two very different things.

considering you have to be a random player to apply this will rule out many masters players and they probably just want to make sure they get a good number of applicants to be able to pick the right person.


Agreed. There are not a lot of masters randoms, and those few might not be interested in the job. So everybody calm the

down.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
August 02 2012 21:56 GMT
#93
they should be asking pro gamers, because there are even plenty of GRANDMASTER players who don't know shit about the game...
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
August 02 2012 21:57 GMT
#94
On August 03 2012 06:35 princealexander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 06:30 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
There is no 100% random player in Master/GM, no ?

I know guy who is 100% random, was GM some seasons ago

LgNWhisper is a GM random player on NA
blabberrrrr
MyLastSerenade
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany710 Posts
August 02 2012 21:57 GMT
#95
On August 03 2012 06:23 Megaliskuu wrote:
Its sad cuz diamond kids are the most tryhard, and possibly the most vocal about their silly ideas .


i dont think random players are the kids u mentioned, most of the kids u ment, are playing 1 race and complaining about specific matchups. random players are more neutral imho! ( even in diamond )
RiSkysc2
Profile Joined September 2011
696 Posts
August 02 2012 21:57 GMT
#96
Diamond is too low, doesn't matter if you have game balance experience, you're not good enough at the game to justify why something is unbalanced or overpowered / overpowered, should be at least masters.
IronManSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2119 Posts
August 02 2012 21:59 GMT
#97
On August 03 2012 06:56 kochanfe wrote:
they should be asking pro gamers, because there are even plenty of GRANDMASTER players who don't know shit about the game...


Pro gamers are not going to spend 4-6 months on a balance team when they should be practicing and making money in tournaments during that time.
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Yoduh
Profile Joined August 2010
United States216 Posts
August 02 2012 21:59 GMT
#98
Hey OP did you know that the devs try to keep this game balanced at all levels? Balanced at GM might not be balanced at Silver level or Diamond level or YOUR level... And who better to know what struggles a Diamond Protoss player has against Diamond Zergs than a Diamond Random player - struggles that a Grand Master pro korean might not have. Crazy right!?
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
August 02 2012 22:00 GMT
#99
Wow lol. Everyone calling diamonds tryhard idiots then acting like tryhard idiots. This is a special, special thread.

If you can get to diamond as random, legitimately, as in no cheesy stunts and bunker rushes, I say it's worth an interview. Surely that's a better criteria than "Expert forum whiner".
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0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
August 02 2012 22:01 GMT
#100
Blizzard should accept balance advice from noone except those currently on top teams in top tournaments. This is ridiculous. They should have no 'balance' employees, only game designers. The positive incentive to make 'balance' changes is messing up the game.
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