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NATO
Profile Joined April 2010
United States459 Posts
August 02 2012 21:31 GMT
#21
I agree with the idea that you need to be Diamond to basically have an understanding of the game. I think Diamond players can even understand higher level stuff, even though they don't have the skills to execute. They understand the game enough to appreciate when you have more skill you can do certain things.
dragoon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States695 Posts
August 02 2012 21:31 GMT
#22
is this for real? a lot of gm players aren't intelligent enough about the game to give legitimate input in the balancing of this game, let alone diamond players. ffs blizzard....
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WickedBit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States343 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 21:32:40
August 02 2012 21:31 GMT
#23
On August 03 2012 06:27 steff wrote:
There are hundreds of pro gamers that have a incredible understand of the game and its balancing, might be a better idea to turn to some of them rather than a random diamond. Well you would logically think so...


Nope bad idea. Pro players have a lot invested in their races and while they can give some hints as to what hard stuff they are facing, they are not the best people to be making balance decisions. The random diamond+ a pretty good qualifier since a random player has perspective on all races and diamond+ means good enough understanding of the game. You don't need to be a GM player to understand balance, just know enough about the races, current metagame trends, how micro affects stuff etc which I am sure diamond players know about.
EDIT: Also random players will usually be a bit worse in their rankings than a similarly skilled 1 race player.
Mo0Rauder
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada182 Posts
August 02 2012 21:31 GMT
#24
On August 03 2012 06:30 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
There is no 100% random player in Master/GM, no ?


I personally know one top 10 master random player, so I'm sure there are many.
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bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
August 02 2012 21:32 GMT
#25
A game designer is able to learn and understand the game irrespective of skill in playing it.

It's a dumb requirement to be honest. Not because it's diamond league but rather that they're hoping to find a fantastic designer who also spends time playing this specific game.

Anyway, all job requirements are negotiable.
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halfies
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom327 Posts
August 02 2012 21:33 GMT
#26
The diamond requirement makes alot of sense, im sure that blizzard want to aim for a title that competitively viable but also allows bad players to play as any race at any level, because that would maximise the number of people who could play, and the earning from a game
diamond players are likely to understand enough about the game to not make entirely stupid claims all the time, and with the amount of tournaments around now, blizzard is probably not short of data on very high level play, so they dont need that perspective too much, and its not like pro are afraid to talk about how under or overpowered a race is.

Le BucheRON
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada619 Posts
August 02 2012 21:34 GMT
#27
I wish someone would balance this game at the Gold level. (whine)
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
August 02 2012 21:34 GMT
#28
On August 03 2012 06:30 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
There is no 100% random player in Master/GM, no ?

If only Gumiho and TLO were still random...

I hear that MVP's off-race is pretty good, especially his Zerg. Dunno if he can ever ladder as random, though.
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Jetaap
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France4814 Posts
August 02 2012 21:34 GMT
#29
I wish Morrow could do this, he would be the perfect guy for this job. But it would mean the end of his carreer as a player .
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3370 Posts
August 02 2012 21:34 GMT
#30
Just because Blizzard is asking them doesn't mean they won't parse the input for garbage... but if they get resounding feedback from a bulk of RANDOM diamond+ players then I'd say it's worth further investigating that point.

Obviously pro players are going to whine in favour of their race all of the time, and there isn't exactly a huge contingency of pro quality random players. /shrug

Take it with a grain of salt, people.
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Enhancer_
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada320 Posts
August 02 2012 21:34 GMT
#31
On August 03 2012 06:28 nGBeast wrote:
its diamond or higher you illegitimate idiots

Illigeitemate is not the same as illiterate. Confusing the two is hilariously ironic.
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Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
August 02 2012 21:34 GMT
#32
On August 03 2012 06:31 Mo0Rauder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 06:30 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
There is no 100% random player in Master/GM, no ?


I personally know one top 10 master random player, so I'm sure there are many.


I've run into randoms on the ladder, but I'm not very high in Master League. There are definitely Master League randoms though-- Diamond is not the top of the Random player skill ceiling.

That being said, overall the requirements for this job look cool! If my field of study was game design rather than QA I might even think of applying :3
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princealexander
Profile Joined June 2012
38 Posts
August 02 2012 21:35 GMT
#33
On August 03 2012 06:30 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
There is no 100% random player in Master/GM, no ?

I know guy who is 100% random, was GM some seasons ago
LeafMeAlone
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States301 Posts
August 02 2012 21:35 GMT
#34
Dragon is pretty good at random :D

Since this is only a temporary job will they require you to move into their offices?
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dragoon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States695 Posts
August 02 2012 21:35 GMT
#35
On August 03 2012 06:31 WickedBit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2012 06:27 steff wrote:
There are hundreds of pro gamers that have a incredible understand of the game and its balancing, might be a better idea to turn to some of them rather than a random diamond. Well you would logically think so...


Nope bad idea. Pro players have a lot invested in their races and while they can give some hints as to what hard stuff they are facing, they are not the best people to be making balance decisions. The random diamond+ a pretty good qualifier since a random player has perspective on all races and diamond+ means good enough understanding of the game. You don't need to be a GM player to understand balance, just know enough about the races, current metagame trends, how micro affects stuff etc which I am sure diamond players know about.
EDIT: Also random players will usually be a bit worse in their rankings than a similarly skilled 1 race player.

you also have to realize that pro players want a balanced game. if the game isn't balanced or is completely broken for their race, sure they'll win alot, but then tournaments will realize the game is incompetent and stop endorsing it. the game has to be balanced for it to succeed, which is what pro players want.
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KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 21:37:01
August 02 2012 21:35 GMT
#36
Imo, 95% of the diamond players know absolutly nothing about balance. Im a pretty decent player but i still dont feel able to contribute a lot to balance discussions - there is so many aspects to look at when u balance a game. i have some ideas, but i would feel i need to talk to a lot of pros before being able to balance it out.
When i see diamond players opinions on the game, its most of the time complete bullshit. what they struggle with is imba, what they use is not. there are exceptions, but those are rare enough to laugh pretty hard about this statement

The ideal candidate will rank at the Diamond level or higher as a Random race player on today’s ladder, and will have an in-depth knowledge of all three races and current strategies for each.
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jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-02 21:36:21
August 02 2012 21:35 GMT
#37
there's nothing wrong with being low lvl in ladder and being smart about game design/balance. rare but there's smart people out there that just doesn't place high in ladder for many, many reasons.

master random fluent in korean and english, blizzard will be all over me like hobos fighting over 40oz mickeye's.
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MstrJinbo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1251 Posts
August 02 2012 21:36 GMT
#38
Its interesting to note that the HotS beta is potentially being released soon. God I wish I played random.
IronManSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2119 Posts
August 02 2012 21:36 GMT
#39
I meet all those requirements, and made a balanced map, except I'm gold and only play T and Z :D

A good start by blizz though.
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sevia
Profile Joined May 2010
United States954 Posts
August 02 2012 21:36 GMT
#40
Understanding of the game doesn't necessarily coincide with mechanical skill.

Of course, a person who deeply understands all three races would probably make masters with random just off of strategy alone, but they could just be the kind of person that prefers to spectate.

The important thing is that they hire the right person for the job regardless. Getting mad at Blizzard for casting a wide net is really, really stupid.
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