EPT[Spoilers] GSL Metropolis Neutral Depot Situation - Page 5
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jojo311
Australia903 Posts
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baldgye
United Kingdom1114 Posts
On July 12 2012 22:54 Lorch wrote: We have depots on every fucking map for a reason, it's certainly not nestea fault for not defending a build that is considered so fucked up that we modified every single map to make sure it's not possible. What is his faults, goms fault and pretty much everyones fault who was at that studio since they disappeared to not notice the change. If this series would have went 3-2 in byuns favor there would be a huge amount of rage going on atm. As it stands nestea got stomped anyways... No it is NesTea's fault he didn't hold, he totally failed to deal with it after scouting it... not to mention throwing away lings and queens | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On July 12 2012 22:49 ohampatu wrote: No. Its not a big deal at all. Nestea knew about this by the '45 second' mark in game. He didn't say anything. There have been 4 games or more on Metropolis in GSL/GSTL without it. People are making this a huge deal, when Nestea hasn't made it a big deal. Its only controversy because Nestea lost to a bunker rush. And no, its not an 'illegal' strat, a depot doesn't prevent the strat from working. It makes a 'ramp walloff' require one more building, thats it. It just makes his strat harder. But it doesn't matter, Nestea could have done a PP, he could have complained. He could have done some research on the last few games. He could have focus fired the scv (5 hp left). So many things nestea messed up on. And people are using this as an excuse that he got '3-0'd' because of it. edit: people keep talking about the 'mental' aspect of it. Well, Nestea should have used his 'mind' to look at his own ramp. Nestea is a 3 time winner, if he got tilted from a non gsl winner doing an all-in, then he deserved to lose even more What? How did you know Nestea actually KNEW about this by the 45 second mark? Since players have missed this while playing entire games on it. I think what you mean is that he COULD have noticed it. But honestly, the first parts of the game are pretty auto pilot and not many people will check for it because they know it should be there. Could Nestea have held it off? For sure. Is it still unfortunate that this happened ? Yes. And the mental aspect is BS. So if it happened to MKP (known for his mental 'weakness'), then we should look at it differently? | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On July 12 2012 22:59 baldgye wrote: No it is NesTea's fault he didn't hold, he totally failed to deal with it after scouting it. That is true but it should be not be in the game in the first place. | ||
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
On July 12 2012 22:56 ohampatu wrote: Actually. Its completely Nestea's fault. He let that scv live with 5 hp. He also knew about the no depot change before the first minute of the game was up (before he scouted 2 rax). He could have complained, manned up and won anyway, or numerous o ther things. Nestea is the only person who didn't notice, and some of you fans apparently (its been like this for 3 weeks now almost). Byun stomped Nestea. Hard. Get over it No just no. The guy you quoted said make more sense. Byun did completely outplayed Nestea in the entire series overall but to say it is completely Nestea fault for losing Game 1 is ridculously stupid. There is a reason why there is a neutral depot in every natural ramp is every GSL map. GSL made a blunder and it is also partially Nestea fault for not defending it well. | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
map imbalances have existed for years, lets only blow up when our favorite player gets roflstomped edit: i understand all of your arguments...but your all taking away from Byun's sweep acting like this one loss cost him the series, whether it did or didn't. It all comes down to sportsmanship. Nestea is the only person to blame for this lost. He could have stopped the series completely if he wanted. He chose to lose, go on tilt, and not make a comeback. Oh well. Dont downplay Byun | ||
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baldgye
United Kingdom1114 Posts
On July 12 2012 23:00 Assirra wrote: That is true but it should be not be in the game in the first place. Yeah I'm not saying its a good situation, but NesTea played badly and thats why he lost the game. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On July 12 2012 23:05 baldgye wrote: Yeah I'm not saying its a good situation, but NesTea played badly and thats why he lost the game. True, i am just happy it was not a 2 - 3 or this stuff would have been quite a bit bigger. | ||
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baldgye
United Kingdom1114 Posts
On July 12 2012 23:03 FakeDeath wrote: No just no. The guy you quoted said make more sense. Byun did completely outplayed Nestea in the entire series overall but to say it is completely Nestea fault for losing Game 1 is ridculously stupid. Not really, he scouted the proxy rax and knew what was coming, he failed to block the depo's and failed to kill either SCV that was buidling them, he then donated lings/drones and queens. | ||
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necrimanci
70 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On July 12 2012 23:04 ohampatu wrote: Your right. 5 hp left on a worker is GOMS fault map imbalances have existed for years, lets only blow up when our favorite player gets roflstomped Imagine if this happened to Naniwa. The entire Sweden would be flying to Korea right now. | ||
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ColdSky
Finland25 Posts
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
On July 12 2012 23:04 ohampatu wrote: Your right. 5 hp left on a worker is GOMS fault map imbalances have existed for years, lets only blow up when our favorite player gets roflstomped edit: i understand all of your arguments...but your all taking away from Byun's sweep acting like this one loss cost him the series, whether it did or didn't. It all comes down to sportsmanship. Nestea is the only person to blame for this lost. He could have stopped the series completely if he wanted. He chose to lose, go on tilt, and not make a comeback. Oh well. Dont downplay Byun I did not downplay Byun at all .In fact i am a fan of Byun lol.Check my post if you want. Byun is a really good and nobody is downplaying Byun. Most people know Byun totally outplayed Nestea in the whole series. But when a blunder like that occured it is just saddening for both the fans and the players. | ||
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MyNameIsAlex
Greece827 Posts
On July 12 2012 22:30 rysecake wrote: he was gonna lose the series regardless. have you ever heard of tilt? we may have seen a totally different series | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On July 12 2012 23:04 ohampatu wrote: Your right. 5 hp left on a worker is GOMS fault map imbalances have existed for years, lets only blow up when our favorite player gets roflstomped edit: i understand all of your arguments...but your all taking away from Byun's sweep acting like this one loss cost him the series, whether it did or didn't. It all comes down to sportsmanship. Nestea is the only person to blame for this lost. He could have stopped the series completely if he wanted. He chose to lose, go on tilt, and not make a comeback. Oh well. Dont downplay Byun Actually, I don't think we should blame anyone. Just something unfortunate that happened. | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On July 12 2012 23:08 FakeDeath wrote: I did not downplay Byun at all .In fact i am a fan of Byun lol.Check my post if you want. Byun is a really good and nobody is downplaying Byun. Most people know Byun totally outplayed Nestea in the whole series. But when a blunder like that occured it is just saddening for both the fans and the players. True. Its sad. I just hate that ive watched at least 4 other games on this map, and I noticed it on the minimap of the casters before they were done annoucing the names. So when i hear an excuse that a progamer can just miss that for the whole first minute, it kinda makes me go 'really? why he programer?'. It is sad, i just dont think there was a 'controversy' over it | ||
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
On July 12 2012 23:09 vthree wrote: Actually, I don't think we should blame anyone. Just something unfortunate that happened. Ya.It was a pretty huge blunder by GOM but what done is done. Hope they rectified this situation and ensured this won't happen. | ||
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Naphal
Germany2099 Posts
On July 12 2012 22:59 jojo311 wrote: so sad for Nestea, but tbh Byun really outplayed Nestea in all 3 matches today i agree, if it had been somewhat close we could discuss here, but byun trashed nestea repeatedly onesidedly... edit: and i actually am an IM fan before a terran fan <.< | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
On July 12 2012 23:03 FakeDeath wrote: No just no. The guy you quoted said make more sense. Byun did completely outplayed Nestea in the entire series overall but to say it is completely Nestea fault for losing Game 1 is ridculously stupid. There is a reason why there is a neutral depot in every natural ramp is every GSL map. GSL made a blunder and it is also partially Nestea fault for not defending it well. Let me ask you: 1. Byun and Nestea had the same map to prepare for. One notices a map imbalance in his practice, the other does not. Noticing anything in thorough training and trying out map-specific strats is a very important aspect of a drawn-out, preparation based league such as the GSL (as opposed to more marathon-like tournaments such as MLG). 2. Pulling TWO drones to defend against a scouted 11-11 rax is generally considered to be not enough of a reaction (regardless of "normal" 11-11 rax or this variant with the ramp wall-off). If you agree with either of these two statements, then I don't see how you could not agree with the statement " Its completely Nestea's fault. ", because either of these two statements necessarily imply the latter. | ||
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