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On July 12 2012 23:04 ohampatu wrote:
Your right. 5 hp left on a worker is GOMS fault
map imbalances have existed for years, lets only blow up when our favorite player gets roflstomped
edit: i understand all of your arguments...but your all taking away from Byun's sweep acting like this one loss cost him the series, whether it did or didn't. It all comes down to sportsmanship. Nestea is the only person to blame for this lost. He could have stopped the series completely if he wanted. He chose to lose, go on tilt, and not make a comeback. Oh well. Dont downplay Byun
Of course he chose to lose and not make a comeback, you absolute tool. Why are you talking about the worker when it isn't relevant at all? The only relevant thing that happened in the game is that there was no neutral depot. Stop pretending to know what would have happened if Nestea won that game. Sure, Byun probably would have won, but you don't know that - Nestea is not the only person to blame.
On July 12 2012 23:13 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 23:03 FakeDeath wrote:On July 12 2012 22:56 ohampatu wrote:On July 12 2012 22:54 Lorch wrote:On July 12 2012 22:52 baldgye wrote:
thats not what cost NesTea that game, what cost him the game was totally failing to block, or deal with it. The fact that he didn't know that depo wouldn't be there showed a lack of practice and game analysis that Byun had. We have depots on every fucking map for a reason, it's certainly not nestea fault for not defending a build that is considered so fucked up that we modified every single map to make sure it's not possible. What is his faults, goms fault and pretty much everyones fault who was at that studio since they disappeared to not notice the change. If this series would have went 3-2 in byuns favor there would be a huge amount of rage going on atm. As it stands nestea got stomped anyways... Actually. Its completely Nestea's fault. He let that scv live with 5 hp. He also knew about the no depot change before the first minute of the game was up (before he scouted 2 rax). He could have complained, manned up and won anyway, or numerous o ther things. Nestea is the only person who didn't notice, and some of you fans apparently (its been like this for 3 weeks now almost). Byun stomped Nestea. Hard. Get over it No just no. The guy you quoted said make more sense. Byun did completely outplayed Nestea in the entire series overall but to say it is completely Nestea fault for losing Game 1 is ridculously stupid. There is a reason why there is a neutral depot in every natural ramp is every GSL map. GSL made a blunder and it is also partially Nestea fault for not defending it well. Let me ask you: 1. Byun and Nestea had the same map to prepare for. One notices a map imbalance in his practice, the other does not. Noticing anything in thorough training and trying out map-specific strats is a very important aspect of a drawn-out, preparation based league such as the GSL (as opposed to more marathon-like tournaments such as MLG). 2. Pulling TWO drones to defend against a scouted 11-11 rax is generally considered to be not enough of a reaction (regardless of "normal" 11-11 rax or this variant with the ramp wall-off). If you agree with either of these two statements, then I don't see how you could not agree with the statement " Its completely Nestea's fault. ", because either of these two statements necessarily imply the latter.
What the hell is wrong with you? I don't understand how people can be so stupid.
1) They had the same map, but they could have played on different versions. Byun only noticed it in a GSTL match, and therefore practiced on the no depot version. Nestea, thinking that there would be no changes to a map halfway through a GSL season, practiced on the depot version of the map. Nestea had no reason to think there wouldn't be a depot.
2) Two drones is fine with the queen buff. Those drones would make a spine crawler, and the queens and lings would be able to clean up. Nestea has undoubtedly faced a two rax many times after the patch, and knows how to react.
Nestea should have defended but you can't argue that it is completely his fault. I think the mapmakers really fucked up when they removed that depot. I don't know what they were thinking.
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On July 12 2012 23:10 ohampatu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 23:08 FakeDeath wrote:On July 12 2012 23:04 ohampatu wrote:
Your right. 5 hp left on a worker is GOMS fault
map imbalances have existed for years, lets only blow up when our favorite player gets roflstomped
edit: i understand all of your arguments...but your all taking away from Byun's sweep acting like this one loss cost him the series, whether it did or didn't. It all comes down to sportsmanship. Nestea is the only person to blame for this lost. He could have stopped the series completely if he wanted. He chose to lose, go on tilt, and not make a comeback. Oh well. Dont downplay Byun I did not downplay Byun at all .In fact i am a fan of Byun lol.Check my post if you want. Byun is a really good and nobody is downplaying Byun. Most people know Byun totally outplayed Nestea in the whole series. But when a blunder like that occured it is just saddening for both the fans and the players. True. Its sad. I just hate that ive watched at least 4 other games on this map, and I noticed it on the minimap of the casters before they were done annoucing the names. So when i hear an excuse that a progamer can just miss that for the whole first minute, it kinda makes me go 'really? why he programer?'. It is sad, i just dont think there was a 'controversy' over it
Well, A LOT of people missed it... Entire GSTL teams missed it. Because I know that if any Zerg/Protoss pros noticed, they would have raised it out.
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On July 12 2012 23:10 ohampatu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 23:08 FakeDeath wrote:On July 12 2012 23:04 ohampatu wrote:
Your right. 5 hp left on a worker is GOMS fault
map imbalances have existed for years, lets only blow up when our favorite player gets roflstomped
edit: i understand all of your arguments...but your all taking away from Byun's sweep acting like this one loss cost him the series, whether it did or didn't. It all comes down to sportsmanship. Nestea is the only person to blame for this lost. He could have stopped the series completely if he wanted. He chose to lose, go on tilt, and not make a comeback. Oh well. Dont downplay Byun I did not downplay Byun at all .In fact i am a fan of Byun lol.Check my post if you want. Byun is a really good and nobody is downplaying Byun. Most people know Byun totally outplayed Nestea in the whole series. But when a blunder like that occured it is just saddening for both the fans and the players. True. Its sad. I just hate that ive watched at least 4 other games on this map, and I noticed it on the minimap of the casters before they were done annoucing the names. So when i hear an excuse that a progamer can just miss that for the whole first minute, it kinda makes me go 'really? why he programer?'. It is sad, i just dont think there was a 'controversy' over it
During a match you kinda not look around to see if something is wrong with the maps and you actually focus on your match.
As spectator you sit laid back and can look at all the details since you aren't doing anything besides that.
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why are people still surprised he missed it?
everyone but Byun missed it, in every single game played on Metalopolis not one person pointed out the missing depot
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Wow, a real shame that the field of competition wasn't in the state it was supposed to be. People can talk about how Byun outplayed Nestea in the series all day, but the point is that the first game was the flawed one, and the first game can often set the pace for the rest of the series - this is an objective fact. Players are human, players go on tilt, and if Nestea somehow just didn't notice and then realized that he lost a game in a way that shouldn't have ever been a possibility to begin with, it could have really negatively affected his mentality. I'm really disappointed that no one said anything about it when something could have been done though.
Note for people who are too defensive: I have nothing against Byun. If the players were anonymous and the map situation was described to me, I'd be saying the exact same thing.
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On July 12 2012 23:13 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 23:03 FakeDeath wrote:On July 12 2012 22:56 ohampatu wrote:On July 12 2012 22:54 Lorch wrote:On July 12 2012 22:52 baldgye wrote:
thats not what cost NesTea that game, what cost him the game was totally failing to block, or deal with it. The fact that he didn't know that depo wouldn't be there showed a lack of practice and game analysis that Byun had. We have depots on every fucking map for a reason, it's certainly not nestea fault for not defending a build that is considered so fucked up that we modified every single map to make sure it's not possible. What is his faults, goms fault and pretty much everyones fault who was at that studio since they disappeared to not notice the change. If this series would have went 3-2 in byuns favor there would be a huge amount of rage going on atm. As it stands nestea got stomped anyways... Actually. Its completely Nestea's fault. He let that scv live with 5 hp. He also knew about the no depot change before the first minute of the game was up (before he scouted 2 rax). He could have complained, manned up and won anyway, or numerous o ther things. Nestea is the only person who didn't notice, and some of you fans apparently (its been like this for 3 weeks now almost). Byun stomped Nestea. Hard. Get over it No just no. The guy you quoted said make more sense. Byun did completely outplayed Nestea in the entire series overall but to say it is completely Nestea fault for losing Game 1 is ridculously stupid. There is a reason why there is a neutral depot in every natural ramp is every GSL map. GSL made a blunder and it is also partially Nestea fault for not defending it well. Let me ask you: 1. Byun and Nestea had the same map to prepare for. One notices a map imbalance in his practice, the other does not. Noticing anything in thorough training and trying out map-specific strats is a very important aspect of a drawn-out, preparation based league such as the GSL (as opposed to more marathon-like tournaments such as MLG). 2. Pulling TWO drones to defend against a scouted 11-11 rax is generally considered to be not enough of a reaction (regardless of "normal" 11-11 rax or this variant with the ramp wall-off). If you agree with either of these two statements, then I don't see how you could not agree with the statement " Its completely Nestea's fault. ", because either of these two statements necessarily imply the latter.
Oh but they have a valid reason for disagreeing with your valid conclusion: they're blind NesTea fanboys and believe he created the universe.
Holy cow this thread is getting enjoyable: not because of the actual mistake that NesTea made but because of all the stupidity in this thread.
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On July 12 2012 23:13 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 23:03 FakeDeath wrote:On July 12 2012 22:56 ohampatu wrote:On July 12 2012 22:54 Lorch wrote:On July 12 2012 22:52 baldgye wrote:
thats not what cost NesTea that game, what cost him the game was totally failing to block, or deal with it. The fact that he didn't know that depo wouldn't be there showed a lack of practice and game analysis that Byun had. We have depots on every fucking map for a reason, it's certainly not nestea fault for not defending a build that is considered so fucked up that we modified every single map to make sure it's not possible. What is his faults, goms fault and pretty much everyones fault who was at that studio since they disappeared to not notice the change. If this series would have went 3-2 in byuns favor there would be a huge amount of rage going on atm. As it stands nestea got stomped anyways... Actually. Its completely Nestea's fault. He let that scv live with 5 hp. He also knew about the no depot change before the first minute of the game was up (before he scouted 2 rax). He could have complained, manned up and won anyway, or numerous o ther things. Nestea is the only person who didn't notice, and some of you fans apparently (its been like this for 3 weeks now almost). Byun stomped Nestea. Hard. Get over it No just no. The guy you quoted said make more sense. Byun did completely outplayed Nestea in the entire series overall but to say it is completely Nestea fault for losing Game 1 is ridculously stupid. There is a reason why there is a neutral depot in every natural ramp is every GSL map. GSL made a blunder and it is also partially Nestea fault for not defending it well. Let me ask you: 1. Byun and Nestea had the same map to prepare for. One notices a map imbalance in his practice, the other does not. Noticing anything in thorough training and trying out map-specific strats is a very important aspect of a drawn-out, preparation based league such as the GSL (as opposed to more marathon-like tournaments such as MLG). 2. Pulling TWO drones to defend against a scouted 11-11 rax is generally considered to be not enough of a reaction (regardless of "normal" 11-11 rax or this variant with the ramp wall-off). If you agree with either of these two statements, then I don't see how you could not agree with the statement " Its completely Nestea's fault. ", because either of these two statements necessarily imply the latter.
Don't really want to argue over this since we clearly have different opinions on this matter.
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On July 12 2012 22:31 Dodgin wrote:
Nestea would have lost the series anyway seeing the way he was playing, maybe he was tilted but I think someone who won 3 GSL's has the mental fortitude to handle one loss. Mvp did an even worse bunker rush on the old summer version of Bel'Shir beach to him like a year ago where he walled the choke between the natural and the main.
That being said I'm glad they recognized the problem and it will be fixed, because that was pretty BS.
Im not sure, to be honest Nestea has said before that he's very uncomfortable in the GSL booth environment with all the lights going on and whatnot. If he's already having trouble concentrating on the game then something like this could be more than enough to completely throw him off. AND that would explain why he played the way he did in those other games.
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On July 12 2012 23:20 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 23:13 ACrow wrote:On July 12 2012 23:03 FakeDeath wrote:On July 12 2012 22:56 ohampatu wrote:On July 12 2012 22:54 Lorch wrote:On July 12 2012 22:52 baldgye wrote:
thats not what cost NesTea that game, what cost him the game was totally failing to block, or deal with it. The fact that he didn't know that depo wouldn't be there showed a lack of practice and game analysis that Byun had. We have depots on every fucking map for a reason, it's certainly not nestea fault for not defending a build that is considered so fucked up that we modified every single map to make sure it's not possible. What is his faults, goms fault and pretty much everyones fault who was at that studio since they disappeared to not notice the change. If this series would have went 3-2 in byuns favor there would be a huge amount of rage going on atm. As it stands nestea got stomped anyways... Actually. Its completely Nestea's fault. He let that scv live with 5 hp. He also knew about the no depot change before the first minute of the game was up (before he scouted 2 rax). He could have complained, manned up and won anyway, or numerous o ther things. Nestea is the only person who didn't notice, and some of you fans apparently (its been like this for 3 weeks now almost). Byun stomped Nestea. Hard. Get over it No just no. The guy you quoted said make more sense. Byun did completely outplayed Nestea in the entire series overall but to say it is completely Nestea fault for losing Game 1 is ridculously stupid. There is a reason why there is a neutral depot in every natural ramp is every GSL map. GSL made a blunder and it is also partially Nestea fault for not defending it well. Let me ask you: 1. Byun and Nestea had the same map to prepare for. One notices a map imbalance in his practice, the other does not. Noticing anything in thorough training and trying out map-specific strats is a very important aspect of a drawn-out, preparation based league such as the GSL (as opposed to more marathon-like tournaments such as MLG). 2. Pulling TWO drones to defend against a scouted 11-11 rax is generally considered to be not enough of a reaction (regardless of "normal" 11-11 rax or this variant with the ramp wall-off). If you agree with either of these two statements, then I don't see how you could not agree with the statement " Its completely Nestea's fault. ", because either of these two statements necessarily imply the latter. Don't really want to argue over this since we clearly have different opinions on this matter.
Let me ask you three simple yes or no questions.
1) Should it be a part of practicing for a series that you play on the maps that you are supposed to be playing?
2) Should NesTea have paused the game as soon as he noticed that the map was wrong?
3) Should NesTea have pulled more then two drones to defend an 11/11 rax; regardless of what map it was or where the bunkers were placed?
Now if you say yes to any of these questions: how can you claim it isn't NesTea's mistake?
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Pretty lame, indeed. Was shocked when the strat was used, since it's been out of the rotation for so long due to all the neutral supply depots. Good thing they're fixing it at least.
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On July 12 2012 23:19 Wroshe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 23:13 ACrow wrote:On July 12 2012 23:03 FakeDeath wrote:On July 12 2012 22:56 ohampatu wrote:On July 12 2012 22:54 Lorch wrote:On July 12 2012 22:52 baldgye wrote:
thats not what cost NesTea that game, what cost him the game was totally failing to block, or deal with it. The fact that he didn't know that depo wouldn't be there showed a lack of practice and game analysis that Byun had. We have depots on every fucking map for a reason, it's certainly not nestea fault for not defending a build that is considered so fucked up that we modified every single map to make sure it's not possible. What is his faults, goms fault and pretty much everyones fault who was at that studio since they disappeared to not notice the change. If this series would have went 3-2 in byuns favor there would be a huge amount of rage going on atm. As it stands nestea got stomped anyways... Actually. Its completely Nestea's fault. He let that scv live with 5 hp. He also knew about the no depot change before the first minute of the game was up (before he scouted 2 rax). He could have complained, manned up and won anyway, or numerous o ther things. Nestea is the only person who didn't notice, and some of you fans apparently (its been like this for 3 weeks now almost). Byun stomped Nestea. Hard. Get over it No just no. The guy you quoted said make more sense. Byun did completely outplayed Nestea in the entire series overall but to say it is completely Nestea fault for losing Game 1 is ridculously stupid. There is a reason why there is a neutral depot in every natural ramp is every GSL map. GSL made a blunder and it is also partially Nestea fault for not defending it well. Let me ask you: 1. Byun and Nestea had the same map to prepare for. One notices a map imbalance in his practice, the other does not. Noticing anything in thorough training and trying out map-specific strats is a very important aspect of a drawn-out, preparation based league such as the GSL (as opposed to more marathon-like tournaments such as MLG). 2. Pulling TWO drones to defend against a scouted 11-11 rax is generally considered to be not enough of a reaction (regardless of "normal" 11-11 rax or this variant with the ramp wall-off). If you agree with either of these two statements, then I don't see how you could not agree with the statement " Its completely Nestea's fault. ", because either of these two statements necessarily imply the latter. Oh but they have a valid reason for disagreeing with your valid conclusion: they're blind NesTea fanboys and believe he created the universe. Holy cow this thread is getting enjoyable: not because of the actual mistake that NesTea made but because of all the stupidity in this thread.
The irony in that first part is hilarious.
Read the OP where Byun said he had to watch the vods from the GSTL, not check his PC.
They were clearly playing on a different version of the map.
I am not saying it wasn't partially Nestea's fault but saying he didn't prepare is just wrong since it wasn't supposed to happen in the first place.
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Lost all respect for byun for not reporting the bug to GOM even though he noticed it beforehand
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On July 12 2012 23:24 Wroshe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 23:20 FakeDeath wrote:On July 12 2012 23:13 ACrow wrote:On July 12 2012 23:03 FakeDeath wrote:On July 12 2012 22:56 ohampatu wrote:On July 12 2012 22:54 Lorch wrote:On July 12 2012 22:52 baldgye wrote:
thats not what cost NesTea that game, what cost him the game was totally failing to block, or deal with it. The fact that he didn't know that depo wouldn't be there showed a lack of practice and game analysis that Byun had. We have depots on every fucking map for a reason, it's certainly not nestea fault for not defending a build that is considered so fucked up that we modified every single map to make sure it's not possible. What is his faults, goms fault and pretty much everyones fault who was at that studio since they disappeared to not notice the change. If this series would have went 3-2 in byuns favor there would be a huge amount of rage going on atm. As it stands nestea got stomped anyways... Actually. Its completely Nestea's fault. He let that scv live with 5 hp. He also knew about the no depot change before the first minute of the game was up (before he scouted 2 rax). He could have complained, manned up and won anyway, or numerous o ther things. Nestea is the only person who didn't notice, and some of you fans apparently (its been like this for 3 weeks now almost). Byun stomped Nestea. Hard. Get over it No just no. The guy you quoted said make more sense. Byun did completely outplayed Nestea in the entire series overall but to say it is completely Nestea fault for losing Game 1 is ridculously stupid. There is a reason why there is a neutral depot in every natural ramp is every GSL map. GSL made a blunder and it is also partially Nestea fault for not defending it well. Let me ask you: 1. Byun and Nestea had the same map to prepare for. One notices a map imbalance in his practice, the other does not. Noticing anything in thorough training and trying out map-specific strats is a very important aspect of a drawn-out, preparation based league such as the GSL (as opposed to more marathon-like tournaments such as MLG). 2. Pulling TWO drones to defend against a scouted 11-11 rax is generally considered to be not enough of a reaction (regardless of "normal" 11-11 rax or this variant with the ramp wall-off). If you agree with either of these two statements, then I don't see how you could not agree with the statement " Its completely Nestea's fault. ", because either of these two statements necessarily imply the latter. Don't really want to argue over this since we clearly have different opinions on this matter. Let me ask you three simple yes or no questions. 1) Should it be a part of practicing for a series that you play on the maps that you are supposed to be playing? 2) Should NesTea have paused the game as soon as he noticed that the map was wrong? 3) Should NesTea have pulled more then two drones to defend an 11/11 rax; regardless of what map it was or where the bunkers were placed? Now if you say yes to any of these questions: how can you claim it isn't NesTea's mistake?
You ask questions they dont want to answer, because it shows Nestea's failure for what it is, instead of putting the blame on GOM like they all want to do.
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On July 12 2012 23:25 MaNaVoId wrote:
Lost all respect for byun for not reporting the bug to GOM even though he noticed it beforehand
good joke
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I don't think it's completely Nestea's fault but he reacted really poorly.
1: He didn't pause / complain / protest during game when ByuN is putting up the 2 bunkers
2: His execution in defending it was pretty poor
3: If he let that affect his latter games, it would completely be on him.
It really sucked for him it happened, but if he responded better it might turn out differently. But again, he might just get steamrolled by ByuN, who clearly played better today, anyway.
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there is no point of complaining, they're going to fix it. They're not going to redo the series because of it lol
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On July 12 2012 23:24 Wroshe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 23:20 FakeDeath wrote:On July 12 2012 23:13 ACrow wrote:On July 12 2012 23:03 FakeDeath wrote:On July 12 2012 22:56 ohampatu wrote:On July 12 2012 22:54 Lorch wrote:On July 12 2012 22:52 baldgye wrote:
thats not what cost NesTea that game, what cost him the game was totally failing to block, or deal with it. The fact that he didn't know that depo wouldn't be there showed a lack of practice and game analysis that Byun had. We have depots on every fucking map for a reason, it's certainly not nestea fault for not defending a build that is considered so fucked up that we modified every single map to make sure it's not possible. What is his faults, goms fault and pretty much everyones fault who was at that studio since they disappeared to not notice the change. If this series would have went 3-2 in byuns favor there would be a huge amount of rage going on atm. As it stands nestea got stomped anyways... Actually. Its completely Nestea's fault. He let that scv live with 5 hp. He also knew about the no depot change before the first minute of the game was up (before he scouted 2 rax). He could have complained, manned up and won anyway, or numerous o ther things. Nestea is the only person who didn't notice, and some of you fans apparently (its been like this for 3 weeks now almost). Byun stomped Nestea. Hard. Get over it No just no. The guy you quoted said make more sense. Byun did completely outplayed Nestea in the entire series overall but to say it is completely Nestea fault for losing Game 1 is ridculously stupid. There is a reason why there is a neutral depot in every natural ramp is every GSL map. GSL made a blunder and it is also partially Nestea fault for not defending it well. Let me ask you: 1. Byun and Nestea had the same map to prepare for. One notices a map imbalance in his practice, the other does not. Noticing anything in thorough training and trying out map-specific strats is a very important aspect of a drawn-out, preparation based league such as the GSL (as opposed to more marathon-like tournaments such as MLG). 2. Pulling TWO drones to defend against a scouted 11-11 rax is generally considered to be not enough of a reaction (regardless of "normal" 11-11 rax or this variant with the ramp wall-off). If you agree with either of these two statements, then I don't see how you could not agree with the statement " Its completely Nestea's fault. ", because either of these two statements necessarily imply the latter. Don't really want to argue over this since we clearly have different opinions on this matter. Let me ask you three simple yes or no questions. 1) Should it be a part of practicing for a series that you play on the maps that you are supposed to be playing? 2) Should NesTea have paused the game as soon as he noticed that the map was wrong? 3) Should NesTea have pulled more then two drones to defend an 11/11 rax; regardless of what map it was or where the bunkers were placed? Now if you say yes to any of these questions: how can you claim it isn't NesTea's mistake?
1)Yes
2)Yes
3)Yes
It is definitely Nestea mistake for losing that game.I did said that but to say it was completely Nestea mistake fault for losing Game 1 is just ridiculously.
He could be practicing on the Metropolis with depots on.So he clearly wasn't expecting a 2 bunker ramp block and clearly wasn't prepared for it since GSL maps should have removed that possibility.
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On July 12 2012 23:25 ohampatu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 23:24 Wroshe wrote:On July 12 2012 23:20 FakeDeath wrote:On July 12 2012 23:13 ACrow wrote:On July 12 2012 23:03 FakeDeath wrote:On July 12 2012 22:56 ohampatu wrote:On July 12 2012 22:54 Lorch wrote:On July 12 2012 22:52 baldgye wrote:
thats not what cost NesTea that game, what cost him the game was totally failing to block, or deal with it. The fact that he didn't know that depo wouldn't be there showed a lack of practice and game analysis that Byun had. We have depots on every fucking map for a reason, it's certainly not nestea fault for not defending a build that is considered so fucked up that we modified every single map to make sure it's not possible. What is his faults, goms fault and pretty much everyones fault who was at that studio since they disappeared to not notice the change. If this series would have went 3-2 in byuns favor there would be a huge amount of rage going on atm. As it stands nestea got stomped anyways... Actually. Its completely Nestea's fault. He let that scv live with 5 hp. He also knew about the no depot change before the first minute of the game was up (before he scouted 2 rax). He could have complained, manned up and won anyway, or numerous o ther things. Nestea is the only person who didn't notice, and some of you fans apparently (its been like this for 3 weeks now almost). Byun stomped Nestea. Hard. Get over it No just no. The guy you quoted said make more sense. Byun did completely outplayed Nestea in the entire series overall but to say it is completely Nestea fault for losing Game 1 is ridculously stupid. There is a reason why there is a neutral depot in every natural ramp is every GSL map. GSL made a blunder and it is also partially Nestea fault for not defending it well. Let me ask you: 1. Byun and Nestea had the same map to prepare for. One notices a map imbalance in his practice, the other does not. Noticing anything in thorough training and trying out map-specific strats is a very important aspect of a drawn-out, preparation based league such as the GSL (as opposed to more marathon-like tournaments such as MLG). 2. Pulling TWO drones to defend against a scouted 11-11 rax is generally considered to be not enough of a reaction (regardless of "normal" 11-11 rax or this variant with the ramp wall-off). If you agree with either of these two statements, then I don't see how you could not agree with the statement " Its completely Nestea's fault. ", because either of these two statements necessarily imply the latter. Don't really want to argue over this since we clearly have different opinions on this matter. Let me ask you three simple yes or no questions. 1) Should it be a part of practicing for a series that you play on the maps that you are supposed to be playing? 2) Should NesTea have paused the game as soon as he noticed that the map was wrong? 3) Should NesTea have pulled more then two drones to defend an 11/11 rax; regardless of what map it was or where the bunkers were placed? Now if you say yes to any of these questions: how can you claim it isn't NesTea's mistake? You ask questions they dont want to answer, because it shows Nestea's failure for what it is, instead of putting the blame on GOM like they all want to do.
It IS GOM's fault. Did Nestea react poorly? Yes, but he shouldn't be put in that situation to begin with.
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On July 12 2012 23:24 Wroshe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 23:20 FakeDeath wrote:On July 12 2012 23:13 ACrow wrote:On July 12 2012 23:03 FakeDeath wrote:On July 12 2012 22:56 ohampatu wrote:On July 12 2012 22:54 Lorch wrote:On July 12 2012 22:52 baldgye wrote:
thats not what cost NesTea that game, what cost him the game was totally failing to block, or deal with it. The fact that he didn't know that depo wouldn't be there showed a lack of practice and game analysis that Byun had. We have depots on every fucking map for a reason, it's certainly not nestea fault for not defending a build that is considered so fucked up that we modified every single map to make sure it's not possible. What is his faults, goms fault and pretty much everyones fault who was at that studio since they disappeared to not notice the change. If this series would have went 3-2 in byuns favor there would be a huge amount of rage going on atm. As it stands nestea got stomped anyways... Actually. Its completely Nestea's fault. He let that scv live with 5 hp. He also knew about the no depot change before the first minute of the game was up (before he scouted 2 rax). He could have complained, manned up and won anyway, or numerous o ther things. Nestea is the only person who didn't notice, and some of you fans apparently (its been like this for 3 weeks now almost). Byun stomped Nestea. Hard. Get over it No just no. The guy you quoted said make more sense. Byun did completely outplayed Nestea in the entire series overall but to say it is completely Nestea fault for losing Game 1 is ridculously stupid. There is a reason why there is a neutral depot in every natural ramp is every GSL map. GSL made a blunder and it is also partially Nestea fault for not defending it well. Let me ask you: 1. Byun and Nestea had the same map to prepare for. One notices a map imbalance in his practice, the other does not. Noticing anything in thorough training and trying out map-specific strats is a very important aspect of a drawn-out, preparation based league such as the GSL (as opposed to more marathon-like tournaments such as MLG). 2. Pulling TWO drones to defend against a scouted 11-11 rax is generally considered to be not enough of a reaction (regardless of "normal" 11-11 rax or this variant with the ramp wall-off). If you agree with either of these two statements, then I don't see how you could not agree with the statement " Its completely Nestea's fault. ", because either of these two statements necessarily imply the latter. Don't really want to argue over this since we clearly have different opinions on this matter. Let me ask you three simple yes or no questions. 1) Should it be a part of practicing for a series that you play on the maps that you are supposed to be playing? 2) Should NesTea have paused the game as soon as he noticed that the map was wrong? 3) Should NesTea have pulled more then two drones to defend an 11/11 rax; regardless of what map it was or where the bunkers were placed? Now if you say yes to any of these questions: how can you claim it isn't NesTea's mistake?
Stop being so narrow minded.
1) Nestea had no reason to believe that he was practicing on the wrong version of the map (it shouldn't have been the wrong version; no announcement was made by GOM). Therefore no reason to believe he would be bunker blocked.
2) Can't really decide on this to be honest. It depends on what actions would be taken after the pause.
3) Nestea knows more than you about how to defend a 2 rax.
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On July 12 2012 23:27 iky43210 wrote:
there is no point of complaining, they're going to fix it. They're not going to redo the series because of it lol
Honestly if NesTea would have simply paused the game the second he noticed the bunkers and went "WTF is this shit, wrong map" it would 100% have been a regame.
Of course afterwards they aren't going to change anything in favor for NesTea but that is only because he himself apparantly didn't want anything to be done: else he would have paused the damn game.
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