EPTOn July 15 2012 02:48 ohampatu wrote:
This thread saddens me in so many ways.
1. The mods are not doing their jobs, they are allowing people to say 'please die' and other harsh things about Byun, and only giving a warning for it. To put this in light, last time i replied to Incontrol and said some derogatory terms, I was insta banned (we'll ignore incontrol cussing/flaming/etc, cause you dont ban pros, i get it). Can the people trashing Byun be treated like this? I bet you'd insta ban if instead of 'Byun' getting made fun of, it was 'TLO' or 'NoNy'. Your letting people post the chat from his CoCa games, letting people call him a matchfixer. I blame this complete thread on TL and its MOD's.
2. There is no rule that states a depot has to be on a map. There is only the rule that GSL maps have to be used. I dont understand how people keep stating he broke a rule. He did no such thing.
3. Byun didn't do anything sneakily. He watched 10 vods (or more) of the map, saw that it never had a depot at all this season, and created a strat for it. Lets go ahead and call every player that has played on this map this season that hasn't mentioned the depots a 'horrible person, unprofessional, should quit gaming, no honor, etc'.
4. Nestea is the only person to blame at this point in time. He had the ability to pause. He had the ability to question the admins. He had the ability to beat the strat after scouting it. The only people who dropped the ball were GOM and Nestea. GOM put out an annoucement, Nestea didn't want to regame. Issues are now resolved. Drop the fucking subject already.
5. The depot is not a 'balance' object. The maps are balanced without depots. The depots are strictly there for viwership. At this point in time the best discussion would be if the depots are even needed anymore. Which they aren't. Maps have increased in size, zerg has gotten better early game. Ladder diamond players can prevent this strat, why are we making it ez on the pros that they dont have to do something a simple diamond player is expected to do every ladder game in PvZ.
Most importantly. You people trashing Byun make me sick. He is a top 3 terran potentially, and your all trashing him, calling him a matchfixer, bringing up old information, trying to make him look like the bad guy. He is the only guy who out of the 3 who did his job 100 percent. Out of Byun, Nestea, and GOM....Byun acted 100 percent as he should have, whilst Nestea and GOM both dropped the ball when it was in their courts.
This thread saddens me in so many ways.
1. The mods are not doing their jobs, they are allowing people to say 'please die' and other harsh things about Byun, and only giving a warning for it. To put this in light, last time i replied to Incontrol and said some derogatory terms, I was insta banned (we'll ignore incontrol cussing/flaming/etc, cause you dont ban pros, i get it). Can the people trashing Byun be treated like this? I bet you'd insta ban if instead of 'Byun' getting made fun of, it was 'TLO' or 'NoNy'. Your letting people post the chat from his CoCa games, letting people call him a matchfixer. I blame this complete thread on TL and its MOD's.
2. There is no rule that states a depot has to be on a map. There is only the rule that GSL maps have to be used. I dont understand how people keep stating he broke a rule. He did no such thing.
3. Byun didn't do anything sneakily. He watched 10 vods (or more) of the map, saw that it never had a depot at all this season, and created a strat for it. Lets go ahead and call every player that has played on this map this season that hasn't mentioned the depots a 'horrible person, unprofessional, should quit gaming, no honor, etc'.
4. Nestea is the only person to blame at this point in time. He had the ability to pause. He had the ability to question the admins. He had the ability to beat the strat after scouting it. The only people who dropped the ball were GOM and Nestea. GOM put out an annoucement, Nestea didn't want to regame. Issues are now resolved. Drop the fucking subject already.
5. The depot is not a 'balance' object. The maps are balanced without depots. The depots are strictly there for viwership. At this point in time the best discussion would be if the depots are even needed anymore. Which they aren't. Maps have increased in size, zerg has gotten better early game. Ladder diamond players can prevent this strat, why are we making it ez on the pros that they dont have to do something a simple diamond player is expected to do every ladder game in PvZ.
Most importantly. You people trashing Byun make me sick. He is a top 3 terran potentially, and your all trashing him, calling him a matchfixer, bringing up old information, trying to make him look like the bad guy. He is the only guy who out of the 3 who did his job 100 percent. Out of Byun, Nestea, and GOM....Byun acted 100 percent as he should have, whilst Nestea and GOM both dropped the ball when it was in their courts.
nice, especially good point on #4 although I doubt nestea realized what was going to happen since its been so long that its been impossible to do that. He probably went into panic mode and didnt pause the game
#5 I would argue against, they are still needed. I refer you to nestea vs byun game.
I think they're a pretty dumb solution though since they go against map aesthetics if used in the same way on every map despite differing tilesets.
