EPT[Spoilers] GSL Metropolis Neutral Depot Situation - Page 39
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cndaks
United States95 Posts
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PastaJoePolice
22 Posts
Byun: fuck fuck Coca: Trap card! Byun: I got dominated fuck Coca: You have to put down a planetary. I have 3 expansions. Byun: No it's not that. Mutas Byun: Leave fuck fuck fuck Coca: I surrender Byun: Let's go to a third game Coca: ok. gg *Coca leaves game* | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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ragz_gt
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
 just such a shitty situation. bunker contains make people rage to insanity on ladder, i can't imagine how it feels in GSL ro8 | ||
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mrjpark
United States276 Posts
But seriously. NesTea scouted the 2 rax, prepared for one with a neutral depot since that's what he's been practicing for. And then at the last second probably notices "Oh, fuck. There's no neutral supply." And then gg. If it isn't for that, I have no reason to believe ByuN would win that game. At that point, NesTea is guaranteed a shot to even up the series (assume he gets smashed games 2-3) on Atlantis Spaceship. The reason I'm frustrated here is because from what I'm reading, NesTea and the IM coach complained after the game was over and were denied because they didn't complain immediately. Like, I understand that you should notice something like that when you start a game. But how do you fault a player for gom's mistake? Had gom taken action then and there, there would have been a regame and everything would have been fine. Instead, they took the hard line and now it's too late to do anything about it. Of course NesTea won't push for a regame anymore. He's already been denied and everyone knows whose fault it was. None of my frustration is at ByuN and anyone who's angry at him really should check their emotions. I do like ByuN, and I always have. He's a fun player to watch and he's really good at the game. He noticed a couple weeks before that the supply was missing, confirmed that it was missing the whole time, and went for the win. It's gomtv's fault for not only making this mistake, but for punishing NesTea for complaining AFTER the game instead of during. Of course he's going to complain after with how they strict they are about in-game pauses. Also, the game's already over by the time he notices. I feel like the player in the booth during the gs(t)l is completely helpless and that these situations are lose-lose situations for them, and we've seen this over and over. Edited for clarity. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
yes, the situation sucks for nestea, but what-ifs and could-have-beens aren't going to change anything. nestea was not super ahead in entombed; the fact that byun had that siege line is proof enough even if the final maps are heavily zerg favoured, with byun's amazing play, he probably would have taken it too. remember that both CK and entombed are zerg favoured too (40% or something TvZ) and byun beat him handily there. gom never punished nestea. incorrect ingame pauses only receive a warning, not a loss, so nestea definitely could have, and only he knows why he didn't | ||
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mrjpark
United States276 Posts
On July 14 2012 13:18 opterown wrote: incorrect ingame pauses only receive a warning, not a loss, so nestea definitely could have, and only he knows why he didn't But this has been a trend since Open Season 1. There must be a reason why all the players are scared to pause the game and instead wave in futility, for instance. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On July 14 2012 13:24 mrjpark wrote: But this has been a trend since Open Season 1. There must be a reason why all the players are scared to pause the game and instead wave in futility, for instance. the only times when i've seen players wave in futility is when they're unable to pause due to equipment failure. most of the time players are perfectly happy to pause due to hotkey errors (see multiple gstl instances) so why nestea didn't pause to something arguably more important than a hotkey error escapes me. maybe he actually thought there were no depots? and the only reason IM raised the point after the SECOND game was that they weren't sure that the depot was supposed to be there either maybe | ||
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Orek
1665 Posts
On July 14 2012 11:47 PastaJoePolice wrote: Actaully the op should add this to the thread in highlights. Byun: fuck fuck Coca: Trap card! Byun: I got dominated fuck Coca: You have to put down a planetary. I have 3 expansions. Byun: No it's not that. Mutas Byun: Leave fuck fuck fuck Coca: I surrender Byun: Let's go to a third game Coca: ok. gg *Coca leaves game* What Byun did before has nothing to do with this incident. Can't we just talk about the point with anonymous Player A vs Player B? Byun vs Nestea Jjakji vs Leenock MVP vs DRG Marineking vs Symbol Doesn't really matter who played. Byun might have made a mistake before, but that doesn't mean he is always a bad guy. | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On July 14 2012 13:11 mrjpark wrote: But seriously. NesTea scouted the 2 rax, prepared for one with a neutral depot since that's what he's been practicing for. And then at the last second probably notices "Oh, fuck. There's no neutral supply." And then gg. If it isn't for that, I have no reason to believe ByuN would win that game. At that point, NesTea is guaranteed a shot to even up the series (assume he gets smashed games 2-3) on Atlantis Spaceship. Here's where your wrong. They didn't play on the wrong map, they played on the *official* GSL version of Metropolis. So unless Nestea/IM were practicing on an older version of the map, then they should have known about the missing depot. Especially since they have MVP who so famously bunker walled Nestea on Bel'Shire, Lucky on Entombed (trapped his marine really) and bunker walled Sniper on Cloud Kingdom. Is there a team in the GSL better equiped for practicing against bunker rushes? (Maybe not, since Losira is terrible against them actually). The reason GSL is making a statement is that the map was inadvertandly changed by the mapmaker; not that GSL played the wrong map which would be another issue entirely. The reason I'm frustrated here is because from what I'm reading, NesTea and the IM coach complained after the game was over and were denied because they didn't complain immediately. Like, I understand that you should notice something like that when you start a game. But how do you fault a player for gom's mistake? Had gom taken action then and there, there would have been a regame and everything would have been fine. Instead, they took the hard line and now it's too late to do anything about it. Of course NesTea won't push for a regame anymore. He's already been denied and everyone knows whose fault it was. Here's your second mistake, Nestea/IM coach didn't ask for a regame... all this is in the OP btw. I know it's a long read, but it's worth it.* None of my frustration is at ByuN and anyone who's angry at him really should check their emotions. I agree with you here, I feel that most of the hate is due to 'unpopular player' cheesed 'popular player'. This is kind of Rain-Nestea all over again. *Edit: Sorry, don't mean to direct this just at you, but there are a lot of people who are missing facts given in the OP which is getting on my nerves. | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On July 14 2012 13:46 opterown wrote: the only times when i've seen players wave in futility is when they're unable to pause due to equipment failure. most of the time players are perfectly happy to pause due to hotkey errors (see multiple gstl instances) so why nestea didn't pause to something arguably more important than a hotkey error escapes me. maybe he actually thought there were no depots? and the only reason IM raised the point after the SECOND game was that they weren't sure that the depot was supposed to be there either maybe That's quite likely I think. It seems like this whole situation is just a whole mess of people trusting others. GOM trusted that there hadn't been any changes reported to the map, the mapmaker trusted that his changes wouldn't cause this bug to happen, Byun trusted that this was a real change since he'd already seen it the week before and nothing had been done to it and Nestea probably wasn't sure either when it happen since it obviously was the right map (it wasn't like they picked a wrong version which would have been easier to notice). If Nestea knew there had been a mistake when the game were taking place I'm pretty sure he would have paused or have IM make a immediate objection after the game. | ||
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DidYuhim
Ukraine1905 Posts
Another clean victory for team prime. | ||
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Reality_Seeker
Bulgaria18 Posts
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On July 14 2012 18:33 Reality_Seeker wrote: Surely 1 depo can't make u the perfect game... if he neded it so much he could have made 1 of his in that place. I know Nestea is awesome but even with his vast powers he cant make a supply depot much less one in less than 3 minutes. | ||
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var username
52 Posts
On July 14 2012 18:33 Reality_Seeker wrote: Surely 1 depo can't make u the perfect game... if he neded it so much he could have made 1 of his in that place. It'd take too long to tech up to neural Byun's SCV to build a depot there. | ||
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Nosferatos
Norway783 Posts
On July 14 2012 18:24 DidYuhim wrote: Prime player plays borderline legal and get away with it. End of story. Another clean victory for team prime. Damn, Prime's been lucky with some questionable "rulings" so far this year, but you know what they say: What comes around, goes around. | ||
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Scrubwave
Poland1786 Posts
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Incomplet
United Kingdom1419 Posts
Like many of already stated, Byun saw an opportunity and took it. Nestea had more than sufficient time during and after the game to make a deal out of it, but he didn't. So if the man who lost his spot in Code S Round of 4 and potential championship can get over it, why cant we here? Or do we just like being drama queens? | ||
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iGn1t3
Hong Kong73 Posts
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