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On July 14 2012 06:35 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 05:30 monkybone wrote:
There is no player obligation to inform GOM about this. It's GOM's responsibility alone, Byun simply profited from their mistake. If anything it shows a keen eye for opportunity. Lmfao "a keen eye for opportunity"... really? Well a scumbag who assaults a helpless women and snatches her purse also has a keen eye for opportunity. Just an extreme example, to show that some things are still wrong even if there is the "opportunity", I am not saying that Byun is a scumbag or criminal or something like that.
Except snatching her purse is a crime and prohibited by law.
Not reporting a possible bug to GOM as a player is not against rules as far as I know.
"A keen eye for opportunity" OUTSIDE RULES is severely punished.
"A keen eye for opportunity" WITHIN RULES is even encouraged as a professional in any fields.
There is a difference there.
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i think the example here to use is tax evasion by the rich. illegal? no. paying fair share and doing whats best for society? LOL NOPE.
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On July 14 2012 07:37 CeriseCherries wrote:
i think the example here to use is tax evasion by the rich. illegal? no. paying fair share and doing whats best for society? LOL NOPE.
Tax evasion is 100% illegal. Just go ask IRS.
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On July 14 2012 07:32 Orek wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 06:35 Musicus wrote:On July 14 2012 05:30 monkybone wrote:
There is no player obligation to inform GOM about this. It's GOM's responsibility alone, Byun simply profited from their mistake. If anything it shows a keen eye for opportunity. Lmfao "a keen eye for opportunity"... really? Well a scumbag who assaults a helpless women and snatches her purse also has a keen eye for opportunity. Just an extreme example, to show that some things are still wrong even if there is the "opportunity", I am not saying that Byun is a scumbag or criminal or something like that. Except snatching her purse is a crime and prohibited by law. Not reporting a possible bug to GOM as a player is not against rules as far as I know. "A keen eye for opportunity" OUTSIDE RULES is severely punished. "A keen eye for opportunity" WITHIN RULES is even encouraged as a professional in any fields. There is a difference there.
Yes it's a bad example, but you get the point. Can't really think of a better mataphor right now.
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On July 14 2012 07:37 CeriseCherries wrote:
i think the example here to use is tax evasion by the rich. illegal? no. paying fair share and doing whats best for society? LOL NOPE.
I don't see what this has to do with what happened in the game at all or brings to the discussion.
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On July 14 2012 07:40 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 07:32 Orek wrote:On July 14 2012 06:35 Musicus wrote:On July 14 2012 05:30 monkybone wrote:
There is no player obligation to inform GOM about this. It's GOM's responsibility alone, Byun simply profited from their mistake. If anything it shows a keen eye for opportunity. Lmfao "a keen eye for opportunity"... really? Well a scumbag who assaults a helpless women and snatches her purse also has a keen eye for opportunity. Just an extreme example, to show that some things are still wrong even if there is the "opportunity", I am not saying that Byun is a scumbag or criminal or something like that. Except snatching her purse is a crime and prohibited by law. Not reporting a possible bug to GOM as a player is not against rules as far as I know. "A keen eye for opportunity" OUTSIDE RULES is severely punished. "A keen eye for opportunity" WITHIN RULES is even encouraged as a professional in any fields. There is a difference there. Yes it's a bad example, but you get the point. Can't really think of a better mataphor right now.
Because your metaphor fails. Stop trying.
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Damn that sucks for Nestea, but he took it like a man.
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Fenrax
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I think Byun showed bad sportmanship there. It was legal and he took the free win over the honor and I can't blame him for that. But I think a player with a past as a match fixer should not have done abusive stuff like this. Puts him into a very bad light.
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On July 14 2012 07:30 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 22:26 Waxangel wrote:On July 12 2012 22:20 Oakstream wrote:
how did it cost him the game? Byun did the super cheesy two-bunker wall-off at the bottom of Nestea's main ramp. Pretty much every tourney map has a neutral supply depot in place there to prevent this strat from being used. Nothing cheesy about it. Byun decided to two-rax and by the time his units arrived at Nestea's natural he had some minerals floating as is normal with that build during that time. So he could either invest them into his attack or complete the wall in his base and expand afterwards. But since he realized that he can wall of the ramp and that his opponent was not blocking it, he took the right decision for an autowin. tl;dr: the two rax might have been a bit cheesy, but walling off was just a right decision.
He brought 2 SCV's to do the wall and hid the 2nd SCV, it was cheesy and planned and not a spur of the moment "oh I have minerals, I guess I will bunker his ramp". Also, even if nestea did kill the 2nd SCV, it wouldnt have changed a thing. The 2nd SCV is not THAT important once you get the bunkers going, let alone when the bunker is at 50% or greater... it will finish regardless.
As for not noticing it beforehand to block it:
The only maps he really plays on for the GSL are maps that have the depot there. Once you dont encounter something for an extremely long period of time, it just doesnt occur to you that something is amiss. You just naturally ignore it.
His play was absolutely atrocious for the rest of the series, I dont think that byun played too spectacularly, just that nestea was off the entire day. Personally, I think he was effected by game 1, but by how much nobody will know. Nobody can doubt that his decisionmaking was exceedingly bad though.
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On July 14 2012 07:32 Orek wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 06:35 Musicus wrote:On July 14 2012 05:30 monkybone wrote:
There is no player obligation to inform GOM about this. It's GOM's responsibility alone, Byun simply profited from their mistake. If anything it shows a keen eye for opportunity. Lmfao "a keen eye for opportunity"... really? Well a scumbag who assaults a helpless women and snatches her purse also has a keen eye for opportunity. Just an extreme example, to show that some things are still wrong even if there is the "opportunity", I am not saying that Byun is a scumbag or criminal or something like that. Except snatching her purse is a crime and prohibited by law. Not reporting a possible bug to GOM as a player is not against rules as far as I know. "A keen eye for opportunity" OUTSIDE RULES is severely punished. "A keen eye for opportunity" WITHIN RULES is even encouraged as a professional in any fields. There is a difference there.
How about this:
You see somebody drop a $100 bill on the ground, you know it is theirs but they dont realize they dropped it. "A keen eye for opportunity" would take it and not say another word. Somebody else would let them know they just dropped a $100 bill on the ground.
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Forgive me for not reading the first 37 pages, so someone may have said this before, but this is TERRIBLE for NesTea. All he had to do was one game out of the first three maps and he would have been able to play on Atlantis Spaceship and then Whirlwind -- two heavily Zerg favored maps. Losing that first game that he probably would have won (considering the circumstances) changed everything.
People hating on ByuN can just forget it. He failed his 2 rax and was looking for any way to win. He happened to notice (either then or earlier) that there was no neutral depot and took advantage of it. Anything it takes to win. I'm sure he was prepared to replay the game if they asked him to immediately, knowing the map version was incorrect.
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all the greatest players do anything they can to win, including using buildings and map terrain to gain an advantage.
end of story, Nestea lost anyway.
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On July 14 2012 08:22 Herry wrote:
all the greatest players do anything they can to win, including using buildings and map terrain to gain an advantage.
end of story, Nestea lost anyway.
by saying greatest player u mean the one wjo is involved in match fixing? That would make esports scene a joke.
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On July 14 2012 07:46 Fenrax wrote:
I think Byun showed bad sportmanship there. It was legal and he took the free win over the honor and I can't blame him for that. But I think a player with a past as a match fixer should not have done abusive stuff like this. Puts him into a very bad light.
you should probably learn what matchfixing means...
On July 14 2012 08:34 MaNaVoId wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 08:22 Herry wrote:
all the greatest players do anything they can to win, including using buildings and map terrain to gain an advantage.
end of story, Nestea lost anyway. by saying greatest player u mean the one who shamelessly fix matches? That would make esports scene a joke.
you too. actually, no you should just straight up be punished for making shit up. lol and you ninja edit it too to make it look like you weren't making shit up.
On July 14 2012 07:57 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 07:32 Orek wrote:On July 14 2012 06:35 Musicus wrote:On July 14 2012 05:30 monkybone wrote:
There is no player obligation to inform GOM about this. It's GOM's responsibility alone, Byun simply profited from their mistake. If anything it shows a keen eye for opportunity. Lmfao "a keen eye for opportunity"... really? Well a scumbag who assaults a helpless women and snatches her purse also has a keen eye for opportunity. Just an extreme example, to show that some things are still wrong even if there is the "opportunity", I am not saying that Byun is a scumbag or criminal or something like that. Except snatching her purse is a crime and prohibited by law. Not reporting a possible bug to GOM as a player is not against rules as far as I know. "A keen eye for opportunity" OUTSIDE RULES is severely punished. "A keen eye for opportunity" WITHIN RULES is even encouraged as a professional in any fields. There is a difference there. How about this: You see somebody drop a $100 bill on the ground, you know it is theirs but they dont realize they dropped it. "A keen eye for opportunity" would take it and not say another word. Somebody else would let them know they just dropped a $100 bill on the ground.
also technically illegal.
how about this: stop coming up with ridiculous metaphors that have nothing to do with what happened and just say what happened. GOM fucked up on their maps and Nestea got bunker-rushed and then roflstomped. Nestea was offered a regame and said no. end of story.
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Good call by Nestea to not demand a regame, good for gomtv I mean.
On the one side there is Nestea, who lost the game because the map was changed without note.
On the other side there is Byun, who noticed the change, and tailored a winning strategy for it, after he concluded that the change was legit, as there were multiple games played on it without official reaction from gom.
Gom cannot make a decision without majorly screwing with one of the players, so good for them Nestea did not file a regame.
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On July 14 2012 08:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 07:46 Fenrax wrote:
I think Byun showed bad sportmanship there. It was legal and he took the free win over the honor and I can't blame him for that. But I think a player with a past as a match fixer should not have done abusive stuff like this. Puts him into a very bad light. you should probably learn what matchfixing means... Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 08:34 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 14 2012 08:22 Herry wrote:
all the greatest players do anything they can to win, including using buildings and map terrain to gain an advantage.
end of story, Nestea lost anyway. by saying greatest player u mean the one who shamelessly fix matches? That would make esports scene a joke. you too. actually, no you should just straight up be punished for making shit up.
im not 100% on this but didn't he throw a match so a friend/ or teammate could qualify for a weekly or monthly online tourney isn't that fixing a match if i am correct?
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On July 14 2012 08:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 07:46 Fenrax wrote:
I think Byun showed bad sportmanship there. It was legal and he took the free win over the honor and I can't blame him for that. But I think a player with a past as a match fixer should not have done abusive stuff like this. Puts him into a very bad light. you should probably learn what matchfixing means... Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 08:34 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 14 2012 08:22 Herry wrote:
all the greatest players do anything they can to win, including using buildings and map terrain to gain an advantage.
end of story, Nestea lost anyway. by saying greatest player u mean the one who shamelessly fix matches? That would make esports scene a joke. you too. actually, no you should just straight up be punished for making shit up.
Byun was involved in a game where it was intentionally thrown, which is a form of matchfixing. If you go to wikipedia and search "thrown game" you get redirected to match fixing. Just because it wasnt planned before the game started doesnt make it not match fixing.
EDIT: CoCa threw a game to Byun so that he could get a GSL seed in code s (which Byun had just lost, and CoCa had already secured), which resulted in both players being pulled from GSL for an extended period of time.
EDIT2: also technically illegal.
How is that illegal? Your bias is showing through here.
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On July 14 2012 08:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 07:46 Fenrax wrote:
I think Byun showed bad sportmanship there. It was legal and he took the free win over the honor and I can't blame him for that. But I think a player with a past as a match fixer should not have done abusive stuff like this. Puts him into a very bad light. you should probably learn what matchfixing means... Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 08:34 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 14 2012 08:22 Herry wrote:
all the greatest players do anything they can to win, including using buildings and map terrain to gain an advantage.
end of story, Nestea lost anyway. by saying greatest player u mean the one who shamelessly fix matches? That would make esports scene a joke. you too. actually, no you should just straight up be punished for making shit up.
Oh Im sure byun is a honourable player when he got banned from gsl for several months.
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On July 14 2012 08:40 ChuCky.Ca wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 08:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2012 07:46 Fenrax wrote:
I think Byun showed bad sportmanship there. It was legal and he took the free win over the honor and I can't blame him for that. But I think a player with a past as a match fixer should not have done abusive stuff like this. Puts him into a very bad light. you should probably learn what matchfixing means... On July 14 2012 08:34 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 14 2012 08:22 Herry wrote:
all the greatest players do anything they can to win, including using buildings and map terrain to gain an advantage.
end of story, Nestea lost anyway. by saying greatest player u mean the one who shamelessly fix matches? That would make esports scene a joke. you too. actually, no you should just straight up be punished for making shit up. im not 100% on this but didn't he throw a match so a friend/ or teammate could qualify for a weekly or monthly online tourney isn't that fixing a match if i am correct?
no, he asked a friend to quit so it could go to game 3. his friend said ok and quit and they went to game 3, and his friend lost. while you could stretch the definition of "match-fixing" to it's utter extremes in order to include that, the only possible reason you would do that is to talk crap. it was a dumb mistake with zero ill intent and both him and Coca were punished rather harshly for it. calling him a matchfixer is just being stupid.
EDIT: CoCa threw a game to Byun so that he could get a GSL seed in code s (which Byun had just lost, and CoCa had already secured), which resulted in both players being pulled from GSL for an extended period of time.
didn't happen that way. IIRC there was no seed on the line whatsoever.
On July 14 2012 08:42 MaNaVoId wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 08:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2012 07:46 Fenrax wrote:
I think Byun showed bad sportmanship there. It was legal and he took the free win over the honor and I can't blame him for that. But I think a player with a past as a match fixer should not have done abusive stuff like this. Puts him into a very bad light. you should probably learn what matchfixing means... On July 14 2012 08:34 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 14 2012 08:22 Herry wrote:
all the greatest players do anything they can to win, including using buildings and map terrain to gain an advantage.
end of story, Nestea lost anyway. by saying greatest player u mean the one who shamelessly fix matches? That would make esports scene a joke. you too. actually, no you should just straight up be punished for making shit up. Oh Im sure byun is a honourable player when he got banned from gsl for several months.
....are you serious?
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On July 14 2012 08:40 ChuCky.Ca wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 08:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2012 07:46 Fenrax wrote:
I think Byun showed bad sportmanship there. It was legal and he took the free win over the honor and I can't blame him for that. But I think a player with a past as a match fixer should not have done abusive stuff like this. Puts him into a very bad light. you should probably learn what matchfixing means... On July 14 2012 08:34 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 14 2012 08:22 Herry wrote:
all the greatest players do anything they can to win, including using buildings and map terrain to gain an advantage.
end of story, Nestea lost anyway. by saying greatest player u mean the one who shamelessly fix matches? That would make esports scene a joke. you too. actually, no you should just straight up be punished for making shit up. im not 100% on this but didn't he throw a match so a friend/ or teammate could qualify for a weekly or monthly online tourney isn't that fixing a match if i am correct?
No. Byun kept asking coca to leave the game using tons of vulgarities in order to let himself advance coz there was a code a spot on the line and coca was already in code s. That is why i am not surprised to see that he is the one who abused the mp even though he knew it was a bugbefore the match
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