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On July 14 2012 08:42 MaNaVoId wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 08:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2012 07:46 Fenrax wrote:
I think Byun showed bad sportmanship there. It was legal and he took the free win over the honor and I can't blame him for that. But I think a player with a past as a match fixer should not have done abusive stuff like this. Puts him into a very bad light. you should probably learn what matchfixing means... On July 14 2012 08:34 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 14 2012 08:22 Herry wrote:
all the greatest players do anything they can to win, including using buildings and map terrain to gain an advantage.
end of story, Nestea lost anyway. by saying greatest player u mean the one who shamelessly fix matches? That would make esports scene a joke. you too. actually, no you should just straight up be punished for making shit up. Oh Im sure byun is a honourable player when he got banned from gsl for several months.
self-probation.
On July 14 2012 08:45 MaNaVoId wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 08:40 ChuCky.Ca wrote:On July 14 2012 08:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2012 07:46 Fenrax wrote:
I think Byun showed bad sportmanship there. It was legal and he took the free win over the honor and I can't blame him for that. But I think a player with a past as a match fixer should not have done abusive stuff like this. Puts him into a very bad light. you should probably learn what matchfixing means... On July 14 2012 08:34 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 14 2012 08:22 Herry wrote:
all the greatest players do anything they can to win, including using buildings and map terrain to gain an advantage.
end of story, Nestea lost anyway. by saying greatest player u mean the one who shamelessly fix matches? That would make esports scene a joke. you too. actually, no you should just straight up be punished for making shit up. im not 100% on this but didn't he throw a match so a friend/ or teammate could qualify for a weekly or monthly online tourney isn't that fixing a match if i am correct? No. Byun kept asking coca to leave the game using tons of vulgarities in order to let himself advance coz there was a code a spot on the line and coca was already in code s. That is why i am not surprised to see that he is the one who abused the mp even though he knew it was a bugbefore the match
he asked coca to leave once. there was no code a spot on the line at all.
coca wanted more vsT practice, so they went to a third game for that.
you're just a prime hater
On July 14 2012 08:02 mrjpark wrote:
Forgive me for not reading the first 37 pages, so someone may have said this before, but this is TERRIBLE for NesTea. All he had to do was one game out of the first three maps and he would have been able to play on Atlantis Spaceship and then Whirlwind -- two heavily Zerg favored maps. Losing that first game that he probably would have won (considering the circumstances) changed everything.
nestea got so badly smacked around in the next few games that most people agree that byun would have won the series anyway, bunker rush or no
this thread needs to be closed, we are getting no new input
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On July 14 2012 08:44 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 08:40 ChuCky.Ca wrote:On July 14 2012 08:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2012 07:46 Fenrax wrote:
I think Byun showed bad sportmanship there. It was legal and he took the free win over the honor and I can't blame him for that. But I think a player with a past as a match fixer should not have done abusive stuff like this. Puts him into a very bad light. you should probably learn what matchfixing means... On July 14 2012 08:34 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 14 2012 08:22 Herry wrote:
all the greatest players do anything they can to win, including using buildings and map terrain to gain an advantage.
end of story, Nestea lost anyway. by saying greatest player u mean the one who shamelessly fix matches? That would make esports scene a joke. you too. actually, no you should just straight up be punished for making shit up. im not 100% on this but didn't he throw a match so a friend/ or teammate could qualify for a weekly or monthly online tourney isn't that fixing a match if i am correct? no, he asked a friend to quit so it could go to game 3. his friend said ok and quit and they went to game 3, and his friend lost. while you could stretch the definition of "match-fixing" to it's utter extremes in order to include that, the only possible reason you would do that is to talk crap. it was a dumb mistake with zero ill intent and both him and Coca were punished rather harshly for it. calling him a matchfixer is just being stupid.
A game was intentionally thrown for a spot into code S and its "stretching the definition of match-fixing", while picking up $100 off the ground is "technically illegal"? Give me a break. Yes, it was a ridiculously dumb mistake, but it was still match fixing.
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On July 14 2012 08:46 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 08:44 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2012 08:40 ChuCky.Ca wrote:On July 14 2012 08:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2012 07:46 Fenrax wrote:
I think Byun showed bad sportmanship there. It was legal and he took the free win over the honor and I can't blame him for that. But I think a player with a past as a match fixer should not have done abusive stuff like this. Puts him into a very bad light. you should probably learn what matchfixing means... On July 14 2012 08:34 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 14 2012 08:22 Herry wrote:
all the greatest players do anything they can to win, including using buildings and map terrain to gain an advantage.
end of story, Nestea lost anyway. by saying greatest player u mean the one who shamelessly fix matches? That would make esports scene a joke. you too. actually, no you should just straight up be punished for making shit up. im not 100% on this but didn't he throw a match so a friend/ or teammate could qualify for a weekly or monthly online tourney isn't that fixing a match if i am correct? no, he asked a friend to quit so it could go to game 3. his friend said ok and quit and they went to game 3, and his friend lost. while you could stretch the definition of "match-fixing" to it's utter extremes in order to include that, the only possible reason you would do that is to talk crap. it was a dumb mistake with zero ill intent and both him and Coca were punished rather harshly for it. calling him a matchfixer is just being stupid. A game was intentionally thrown for a spot into code S and its "stretching the definition of match-fixing", while picking up $100 off the ground is "technically illegal"? Give me a break. Yes, it was a ridiculously dumb mistake, but it was still match fixing.
no goddamn spot was on the line.
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On July 14 2012 08:44 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 08:40 ChuCky.Ca wrote:On July 14 2012 08:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2012 07:46 Fenrax wrote:
I think Byun showed bad sportmanship there. It was legal and he took the free win over the honor and I can't blame him for that. But I think a player with a past as a match fixer should not have done abusive stuff like this. Puts him into a very bad light. you should probably learn what matchfixing means... On July 14 2012 08:34 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 14 2012 08:22 Herry wrote:
all the greatest players do anything they can to win, including using buildings and map terrain to gain an advantage.
end of story, Nestea lost anyway. by saying greatest player u mean the one who shamelessly fix matches? That would make esports scene a joke. you too. actually, no you should just straight up be punished for making shit up. im not 100% on this but didn't he throw a match so a friend/ or teammate could qualify for a weekly or monthly online tourney isn't that fixing a match if i am correct? no, he asked a friend to quit so it could go to game 3. his friend said ok and quit and they went to game 3, and his friend lost. while you could stretch the definition of "match-fixing" to it's utter extremes in order to include that, the only possible reason you would do that is to talk crap. it was a dumb mistake with zero ill intent and both him and Coca were punished rather harshly for it. calling him a matchfixer is just being stupid. Show nested quote +EDIT: CoCa threw a game to Byun so that he could get a GSL seed in code s (which Byun had just lost, and CoCa had already secured), which resulted in both players being pulled from GSL for an extended period of time. didn't happen that way. IIRC there was no seed on the line whatsoever. Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 08:42 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 14 2012 08:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2012 07:46 Fenrax wrote:
I think Byun showed bad sportmanship there. It was legal and he took the free win over the honor and I can't blame him for that. But I think a player with a past as a match fixer should not have done abusive stuff like this. Puts him into a very bad light. you should probably learn what matchfixing means... On July 14 2012 08:34 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 14 2012 08:22 Herry wrote:
all the greatest players do anything they can to win, including using buildings and map terrain to gain an advantage.
end of story, Nestea lost anyway. by saying greatest player u mean the one who shamelessly fix matches? That would make esports scene a joke. you too. actually, no you should just straight up be punished for making shit up. Oh Im sure byun is a honourable player when he got banned from gsl for several months. ....are you serious?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285580
There was a Code A seed on the line, and CoCa was in Code S. Prime banned him from participating in leagues.
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On July 14 2012 08:46 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 08:44 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2012 08:40 ChuCky.Ca wrote:On July 14 2012 08:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2012 07:46 Fenrax wrote:
I think Byun showed bad sportmanship there. It was legal and he took the free win over the honor and I can't blame him for that. But I think a player with a past as a match fixer should not have done abusive stuff like this. Puts him into a very bad light. you should probably learn what matchfixing means... On July 14 2012 08:34 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 14 2012 08:22 Herry wrote:
all the greatest players do anything they can to win, including using buildings and map terrain to gain an advantage.
end of story, Nestea lost anyway. by saying greatest player u mean the one who shamelessly fix matches? That would make esports scene a joke. you too. actually, no you should just straight up be punished for making shit up. im not 100% on this but didn't he throw a match so a friend/ or teammate could qualify for a weekly or monthly online tourney isn't that fixing a match if i am correct? no, he asked a friend to quit so it could go to game 3. his friend said ok and quit and they went to game 3, and his friend lost. while you could stretch the definition of "match-fixing" to it's utter extremes in order to include that, the only possible reason you would do that is to talk crap. it was a dumb mistake with zero ill intent and both him and Coca were punished rather harshly for it. calling him a matchfixer is just being stupid. A game was intentionally thrown for a spot into code S and its "stretching the definition of match-fixing", while picking up $100 off the ground is "technically illegal"? Give me a break. Yes, it was a ridiculously dumb mistake, but it was still match fixing.
1) there was no Code S spot on the line.
2) what the fuck does him being punished for asking a buddy to regame have to do with your ridiculous metaphor?
3) it was match-fixing only in the LOOSEST sense of the word. (and not even then tbh)
get your info right before you make accusations dude.
On July 14 2012 08:48 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 08:44 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2012 08:40 ChuCky.Ca wrote:On July 14 2012 08:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2012 07:46 Fenrax wrote:
I think Byun showed bad sportmanship there. It was legal and he took the free win over the honor and I can't blame him for that. But I think a player with a past as a match fixer should not have done abusive stuff like this. Puts him into a very bad light. you should probably learn what matchfixing means... On July 14 2012 08:34 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 14 2012 08:22 Herry wrote:
all the greatest players do anything they can to win, including using buildings and map terrain to gain an advantage.
end of story, Nestea lost anyway. by saying greatest player u mean the one who shamelessly fix matches? That would make esports scene a joke. you too. actually, no you should just straight up be punished for making shit up. im not 100% on this but didn't he throw a match so a friend/ or teammate could qualify for a weekly or monthly online tourney isn't that fixing a match if i am correct? no, he asked a friend to quit so it could go to game 3. his friend said ok and quit and they went to game 3, and his friend lost. while you could stretch the definition of "match-fixing" to it's utter extremes in order to include that, the only possible reason you would do that is to talk crap. it was a dumb mistake with zero ill intent and both him and Coca were punished rather harshly for it. calling him a matchfixer is just being stupid. EDIT: CoCa threw a game to Byun so that he could get a GSL seed in code s (which Byun had just lost, and CoCa had already secured), which resulted in both players being pulled from GSL for an extended period of time. didn't happen that way. IIRC there was no seed on the line whatsoever. On July 14 2012 08:42 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 14 2012 08:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2012 07:46 Fenrax wrote:
I think Byun showed bad sportmanship there. It was legal and he took the free win over the honor and I can't blame him for that. But I think a player with a past as a match fixer should not have done abusive stuff like this. Puts him into a very bad light. you should probably learn what matchfixing means... On July 14 2012 08:34 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 14 2012 08:22 Herry wrote:
all the greatest players do anything they can to win, including using buildings and map terrain to gain an advantage.
end of story, Nestea lost anyway. by saying greatest player u mean the one who shamelessly fix matches? That would make esports scene a joke. you too. actually, no you should just straight up be punished for making shit up. Oh Im sure byun is a honourable player when he got banned from gsl for several months. ....are you serious? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285580There was a Code A seed on the line, and CoCa was in Code S. Prime banned him from participating in leagues.
read the whole thread next time.
However, even if it is a tournament that does not award GSL Code A seeds,
from Mr. Chae's statement.
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On July 14 2012 08:48 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 08:44 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2012 08:40 ChuCky.Ca wrote:On July 14 2012 08:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2012 07:46 Fenrax wrote:
I think Byun showed bad sportmanship there. It was legal and he took the free win over the honor and I can't blame him for that. But I think a player with a past as a match fixer should not have done abusive stuff like this. Puts him into a very bad light. you should probably learn what matchfixing means... On July 14 2012 08:34 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 14 2012 08:22 Herry wrote:
all the greatest players do anything they can to win, including using buildings and map terrain to gain an advantage.
end of story, Nestea lost anyway. by saying greatest player u mean the one who shamelessly fix matches? That would make esports scene a joke. you too. actually, no you should just straight up be punished for making shit up. im not 100% on this but didn't he throw a match so a friend/ or teammate could qualify for a weekly or monthly online tourney isn't that fixing a match if i am correct? no, he asked a friend to quit so it could go to game 3. his friend said ok and quit and they went to game 3, and his friend lost. while you could stretch the definition of "match-fixing" to it's utter extremes in order to include that, the only possible reason you would do that is to talk crap. it was a dumb mistake with zero ill intent and both him and Coca were punished rather harshly for it. calling him a matchfixer is just being stupid. EDIT: CoCa threw a game to Byun so that he could get a GSL seed in code s (which Byun had just lost, and CoCa had already secured), which resulted in both players being pulled from GSL for an extended period of time. didn't happen that way. IIRC there was no seed on the line whatsoever. On July 14 2012 08:42 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 14 2012 08:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2012 07:46 Fenrax wrote:
I think Byun showed bad sportmanship there. It was legal and he took the free win over the honor and I can't blame him for that. But I think a player with a past as a match fixer should not have done abusive stuff like this. Puts him into a very bad light. you should probably learn what matchfixing means... On July 14 2012 08:34 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 14 2012 08:22 Herry wrote:
all the greatest players do anything they can to win, including using buildings and map terrain to gain an advantage.
end of story, Nestea lost anyway. by saying greatest player u mean the one who shamelessly fix matches? That would make esports scene a joke. you too. actually, no you should just straight up be punished for making shit up. Oh Im sure byun is a honourable player when he got banned from gsl for several months. ....are you serious? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285580There was a Code A seed on the line, and CoCa was in Code S. Prime banned him from participating in leagues.
that thread is wrong. read the entire thing and you'll see that there is no spot for that tourney
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It doesn't actually matter what Byun did in the past. What he did with Coca was wrong because it spurned competition and was an agreement between players. This had nothing to do with Byun affecting the result by anything except his own play. Period.
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On July 14 2012 08:49 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 08:48 TheRabidDeer wrote:On July 14 2012 08:44 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2012 08:40 ChuCky.Ca wrote:On July 14 2012 08:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2012 07:46 Fenrax wrote:
I think Byun showed bad sportmanship there. It was legal and he took the free win over the honor and I can't blame him for that. But I think a player with a past as a match fixer should not have done abusive stuff like this. Puts him into a very bad light. you should probably learn what matchfixing means... On July 14 2012 08:34 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 14 2012 08:22 Herry wrote:
all the greatest players do anything they can to win, including using buildings and map terrain to gain an advantage.
end of story, Nestea lost anyway. by saying greatest player u mean the one who shamelessly fix matches? That would make esports scene a joke. you too. actually, no you should just straight up be punished for making shit up. im not 100% on this but didn't he throw a match so a friend/ or teammate could qualify for a weekly or monthly online tourney isn't that fixing a match if i am correct? no, he asked a friend to quit so it could go to game 3. his friend said ok and quit and they went to game 3, and his friend lost. while you could stretch the definition of "match-fixing" to it's utter extremes in order to include that, the only possible reason you would do that is to talk crap. it was a dumb mistake with zero ill intent and both him and Coca were punished rather harshly for it. calling him a matchfixer is just being stupid. EDIT: CoCa threw a game to Byun so that he could get a GSL seed in code s (which Byun had just lost, and CoCa had already secured), which resulted in both players being pulled from GSL for an extended period of time. didn't happen that way. IIRC there was no seed on the line whatsoever. On July 14 2012 08:42 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 14 2012 08:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2012 07:46 Fenrax wrote:
I think Byun showed bad sportmanship there. It was legal and he took the free win over the honor and I can't blame him for that. But I think a player with a past as a match fixer should not have done abusive stuff like this. Puts him into a very bad light. you should probably learn what matchfixing means... On July 14 2012 08:34 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 14 2012 08:22 Herry wrote:
all the greatest players do anything they can to win, including using buildings and map terrain to gain an advantage.
end of story, Nestea lost anyway. by saying greatest player u mean the one who shamelessly fix matches? That would make esports scene a joke. you too. actually, no you should just straight up be punished for making shit up. Oh Im sure byun is a honourable player when he got banned from gsl for several months. ....are you serious? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285580There was a Code A seed on the line, and CoCa was in Code S. Prime banned him from participating in leagues. that thread is wrong. read the entire thing and you'll see that there is no spot for that tourney
There was a spot for the tournament, but not for that particular match.
EDIT: Nevermind, didnt realize they hadnt worked out the details for the next GSL yet. Regardless, still match fixing no matter how you sugar coat it.
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On July 14 2012 08:56 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 08:49 opterown wrote:On July 14 2012 08:48 TheRabidDeer wrote:On July 14 2012 08:44 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2012 08:40 ChuCky.Ca wrote:On July 14 2012 08:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2012 07:46 Fenrax wrote:
I think Byun showed bad sportmanship there. It was legal and he took the free win over the honor and I can't blame him for that. But I think a player with a past as a match fixer should not have done abusive stuff like this. Puts him into a very bad light. you should probably learn what matchfixing means... On July 14 2012 08:34 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 14 2012 08:22 Herry wrote:
all the greatest players do anything they can to win, including using buildings and map terrain to gain an advantage.
end of story, Nestea lost anyway. by saying greatest player u mean the one who shamelessly fix matches? That would make esports scene a joke. you too. actually, no you should just straight up be punished for making shit up. im not 100% on this but didn't he throw a match so a friend/ or teammate could qualify for a weekly or monthly online tourney isn't that fixing a match if i am correct? no, he asked a friend to quit so it could go to game 3. his friend said ok and quit and they went to game 3, and his friend lost. while you could stretch the definition of "match-fixing" to it's utter extremes in order to include that, the only possible reason you would do that is to talk crap. it was a dumb mistake with zero ill intent and both him and Coca were punished rather harshly for it. calling him a matchfixer is just being stupid. EDIT: CoCa threw a game to Byun so that he could get a GSL seed in code s (which Byun had just lost, and CoCa had already secured), which resulted in both players being pulled from GSL for an extended period of time. didn't happen that way. IIRC there was no seed on the line whatsoever. On July 14 2012 08:42 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 14 2012 08:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2012 07:46 Fenrax wrote:
I think Byun showed bad sportmanship there. It was legal and he took the free win over the honor and I can't blame him for that. But I think a player with a past as a match fixer should not have done abusive stuff like this. Puts him into a very bad light. you should probably learn what matchfixing means... On July 14 2012 08:34 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 14 2012 08:22 Herry wrote:
all the greatest players do anything they can to win, including using buildings and map terrain to gain an advantage.
end of story, Nestea lost anyway. by saying greatest player u mean the one who shamelessly fix matches? That would make esports scene a joke. you too. actually, no you should just straight up be punished for making shit up. Oh Im sure byun is a honourable player when he got banned from gsl for several months. ....are you serious? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285580There was a Code A seed on the line, and CoCa was in Code S. Prime banned him from participating in leagues. that thread is wrong. read the entire thing and you'll see that there is no spot for that tourney There was a spot for the tournament, but not for that particular match. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=263628
i believe the Code A seed was awarded for the KW finals PRIOR to this korean weekly, and there was no confirmation the seed was going to be awarded for THIS one.
it was a one-off thing, and squirtle took the seed for GSL november.
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On July 14 2012 08:56 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 08:49 opterown wrote:On July 14 2012 08:48 TheRabidDeer wrote:On July 14 2012 08:44 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2012 08:40 ChuCky.Ca wrote:On July 14 2012 08:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2012 07:46 Fenrax wrote:
I think Byun showed bad sportmanship there. It was legal and he took the free win over the honor and I can't blame him for that. But I think a player with a past as a match fixer should not have done abusive stuff like this. Puts him into a very bad light. you should probably learn what matchfixing means... On July 14 2012 08:34 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 14 2012 08:22 Herry wrote:
all the greatest players do anything they can to win, including using buildings and map terrain to gain an advantage.
end of story, Nestea lost anyway. by saying greatest player u mean the one who shamelessly fix matches? That would make esports scene a joke. you too. actually, no you should just straight up be punished for making shit up. im not 100% on this but didn't he throw a match so a friend/ or teammate could qualify for a weekly or monthly online tourney isn't that fixing a match if i am correct? no, he asked a friend to quit so it could go to game 3. his friend said ok and quit and they went to game 3, and his friend lost. while you could stretch the definition of "match-fixing" to it's utter extremes in order to include that, the only possible reason you would do that is to talk crap. it was a dumb mistake with zero ill intent and both him and Coca were punished rather harshly for it. calling him a matchfixer is just being stupid. EDIT: CoCa threw a game to Byun so that he could get a GSL seed in code s (which Byun had just lost, and CoCa had already secured), which resulted in both players being pulled from GSL for an extended period of time. didn't happen that way. IIRC there was no seed on the line whatsoever. On July 14 2012 08:42 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 14 2012 08:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2012 07:46 Fenrax wrote:
I think Byun showed bad sportmanship there. It was legal and he took the free win over the honor and I can't blame him for that. But I think a player with a past as a match fixer should not have done abusive stuff like this. Puts him into a very bad light. you should probably learn what matchfixing means... On July 14 2012 08:34 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 14 2012 08:22 Herry wrote:
all the greatest players do anything they can to win, including using buildings and map terrain to gain an advantage.
end of story, Nestea lost anyway. by saying greatest player u mean the one who shamelessly fix matches? That would make esports scene a joke. you too. actually, no you should just straight up be punished for making shit up. Oh Im sure byun is a honourable player when he got banned from gsl for several months. ....are you serious? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285580There was a Code A seed on the line, and CoCa was in Code S. Prime banned him from participating in leagues. that thread is wrong. read the entire thing and you'll see that there is no spot for that tourney There was a spot for the tournament, but not for that particular match. EDIT: Nevermind, didnt realize they hadnt worked out the details for the next GSL yet. Regardless, still match fixing no matter how you sugar coat it.
it's also ridiculously off-topic so why do you keep bringing it up?
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It's not very good sportsmanship from Byun... In my book, its called cheating.
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On July 14 2012 09:03 EL33T_COL wrote:
It's not very good sportsmanship from Byun... In my book, its called cheating.
good thing byun doesn't really care about your book.
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On July 14 2012 09:04 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 09:03 EL33T_COL wrote:
It's not very good sportsmanship from Byun... In my book, its called cheating. good thing byun doesn't really care about your book.
Or anyone else for that matter.
Byun didn't break any rules. He's not going to be punished. The only thing that will come of this is that GOM will be more careful from now on.
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On July 14 2012 08:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 08:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2012 07:46 Fenrax wrote:
I think Byun showed bad sportmanship there. It was legal and he took the free win over the honor and I can't blame him for that. But I think a player with a past as a match fixer should not have done abusive stuff like this. Puts him into a very bad light. you should probably learn what matchfixing means... On July 14 2012 08:34 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 14 2012 08:22 Herry wrote:
all the greatest players do anything they can to win, including using buildings and map terrain to gain an advantage.
end of story, Nestea lost anyway. by saying greatest player u mean the one who shamelessly fix matches? That would make esports scene a joke. you too. actually, no you should just straight up be punished for making shit up. Byun was involved in a game where it was intentionally thrown, which is a form of matchfixing. If you go to wikipedia and search "thrown game" you get redirected to match fixing. Just because it wasnt planned before the game started doesnt make it not match fixing. EDIT: CoCa threw a game to Byun so that he could get a GSL seed in code s (which Byun had just lost, and CoCa had already secured), which resulted in both players being pulled from GSL for an extended period of time.EDIT2: How is that illegal? Your bias is showing through here.
Okay, this is just wrong. CoCa didn't throw the game to give ByuN the seed. They were practice partners and were using the tournament as a form of practice. CoCa was in the Round of 8 for Code S, ByuN had dropped out of Code A. CoCa was about to 2-0 ByuN, when they decided it didn't really matter for CoCa since he already had a Code S spot. I forget literal wording, but I'm Korean and read the chat. ByuN was basically like "Fuck, fuck, fuck fuck. Do you wanna do a game 3?" CoCa: "Sure, why not. I don't need the seed anyway." Drama ensues. They wanted another practice game since CoCa didn't care whether or not he lost that game. Obviously, ByuN did know a seed was on the line for him, but from everything I've read, I have no reason to believe CoCa was going to drop game 3 to give ByuN the seed. They just wanted to go to a game 3. This is still match fixing and wrong, but everyone seems to think CoCa was just handing ByuN the spot.
Edit: Edited for clarity.
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On July 14 2012 09:36 mrjpark wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 08:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:On July 14 2012 08:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2012 07:46 Fenrax wrote:
I think Byun showed bad sportmanship there. It was legal and he took the free win over the honor and I can't blame him for that. But I think a player with a past as a match fixer should not have done abusive stuff like this. Puts him into a very bad light. you should probably learn what matchfixing means... On July 14 2012 08:34 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 14 2012 08:22 Herry wrote:
all the greatest players do anything they can to win, including using buildings and map terrain to gain an advantage.
end of story, Nestea lost anyway. by saying greatest player u mean the one who shamelessly fix matches? That would make esports scene a joke. you too. actually, no you should just straight up be punished for making shit up. Byun was involved in a game where it was intentionally thrown, which is a form of matchfixing. If you go to wikipedia and search "thrown game" you get redirected to match fixing. Just because it wasnt planned before the game started doesnt make it not match fixing. EDIT: CoCa threw a game to Byun so that he could get a GSL seed in code s (which Byun had just lost, and CoCa had already secured), which resulted in both players being pulled from GSL for an extended period of time.EDIT2: also technically illegal. How is that illegal? Your bias is showing through here. Okay, this is just wrong. CoCa didn't throw the game to give ByuN the seed. They were practice partners and were using the tournament as a form of practice. CoCa was in the Round of 8 for Code S, ByuN had dropped out of Code A. CoCa was about to 2-0 ByuN, when they decided it didn't really matter for CoCa since he already had a Code S spot. I forget literal wording, but I'm Korean and read the chat. ByuN was basically like "Fuck, fuck, fuck fuck. Do you wanna do a game 3?" CoCa: "Sure, why not. I don't need the seed anyway." Drama ensues. They wanted another practice game since CoCa didn't care whether or not he lost that game. Obviously, ByuN did know a seed was on the line for him, but from everything I've read, I have no reason to believe CoCa was going to drop game 3 to give ByuN the seed. They just wanted to go to a game 3. This is still match fixing and wrong, but everyone seems to think CoCa was just handing ByuN the spot. Edit: Edited for clarity.
coca didn't even say he didn't need the seed, and byun wouldn't think there was a seed on the line, because there WAS NO SEED!!!!!!!
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On July 14 2012 08:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:EDIT2: How is that illegal? Your bias is showing through here.
how is taking someone elses money without their consent illegal? i'm gonna let you figure that one out...
or here, walk up to a police station, go inside, pull a $20 bill out of your pocket, tell them that you saw a guy drop it, and picked it up, but you aren't there to give it back and report it, no, you're there to take it. see if they let you walk out with that $20.
On July 14 2012 09:36 mrjpark wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 08:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:On July 14 2012 08:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2012 07:46 Fenrax wrote:
I think Byun showed bad sportmanship there. It was legal and he took the free win over the honor and I can't blame him for that. But I think a player with a past as a match fixer should not have done abusive stuff like this. Puts him into a very bad light. you should probably learn what matchfixing means... On July 14 2012 08:34 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 14 2012 08:22 Herry wrote:
all the greatest players do anything they can to win, including using buildings and map terrain to gain an advantage.
end of story, Nestea lost anyway. by saying greatest player u mean the one who shamelessly fix matches? That would make esports scene a joke. you too. actually, no you should just straight up be punished for making shit up. Byun was involved in a game where it was intentionally thrown, which is a form of matchfixing. If you go to wikipedia and search "thrown game" you get redirected to match fixing. Just because it wasnt planned before the game started doesnt make it not match fixing. EDIT: CoCa threw a game to Byun so that he could get a GSL seed in code s (which Byun had just lost, and CoCa had already secured), which resulted in both players being pulled from GSL for an extended period of time.EDIT2: also technically illegal. How is that illegal? Your bias is showing through here. Okay, this is just wrong. CoCa didn't throw the game to give ByuN the seed. They were practice partners and were using the tournament as a form of practice. CoCa was in the Round of 8 for Code S, ByuN had dropped out of Code A. CoCa was about to 2-0 ByuN, when they decided it didn't really matter for CoCa since he already had a Code S spot. I forget literal wording, but I'm Korean and read the chat. ByuN was basically like "Fuck, fuck, fuck fuck. Do you wanna do a game 3?" CoCa: "Sure, why not. I don't need the seed anyway." Drama ensues. They wanted another practice game since CoCa didn't care whether or not he lost that game. Obviously, ByuN did know a seed was on the line for him, but from everything I've read, I have no reason to believe CoCa was going to drop game 3 to give ByuN the seed. They just wanted to go to a game 3. This is still match fixing and wrong, but everyone seems to think CoCa was just handing ByuN the spot. Edit: Edited for clarity.
omg, can we please not try to explain what happened when we don't know what happened? okay, this just feeds the misinformation. let people who know what happened explain what happened.
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On July 14 2012 09:42 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 08:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:EDIT2: also technically illegal. How is that illegal? Your bias is showing through here. how is taking someone elses money without their consent illegal? i'm gonna let you figure that one out... or here, walk up to a police station, go inside, pull a $20 bill out of your pocket, tell them that you saw a guy drop it, and picked it up, but you aren't there to give it back and report it, no, you're there to take it. see if they let you walk out with that $20. Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 09:36 mrjpark wrote:On July 14 2012 08:41 TheRabidDeer wrote:On July 14 2012 08:35 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 14 2012 07:46 Fenrax wrote:
I think Byun showed bad sportmanship there. It was legal and he took the free win over the honor and I can't blame him for that. But I think a player with a past as a match fixer should not have done abusive stuff like this. Puts him into a very bad light. you should probably learn what matchfixing means... On July 14 2012 08:34 MaNaVoId wrote:On July 14 2012 08:22 Herry wrote:
all the greatest players do anything they can to win, including using buildings and map terrain to gain an advantage.
end of story, Nestea lost anyway. by saying greatest player u mean the one who shamelessly fix matches? That would make esports scene a joke. you too. actually, no you should just straight up be punished for making shit up. Byun was involved in a game where it was intentionally thrown, which is a form of matchfixing. If you go to wikipedia and search "thrown game" you get redirected to match fixing. Just because it wasnt planned before the game started doesnt make it not match fixing. EDIT: CoCa threw a game to Byun so that he could get a GSL seed in code s (which Byun had just lost, and CoCa had already secured), which resulted in both players being pulled from GSL for an extended period of time.EDIT2: also technically illegal. How is that illegal? Your bias is showing through here. Okay, this is just wrong. CoCa didn't throw the game to give ByuN the seed. They were practice partners and were using the tournament as a form of practice. CoCa was in the Round of 8 for Code S, ByuN had dropped out of Code A. CoCa was about to 2-0 ByuN, when they decided it didn't really matter for CoCa since he already had a Code S spot. I forget literal wording, but I'm Korean and read the chat. ByuN was basically like "Fuck, fuck, fuck fuck. Do you wanna do a game 3?" CoCa: "Sure, why not. I don't need the seed anyway." Drama ensues. They wanted another practice game since CoCa didn't care whether or not he lost that game. Obviously, ByuN did know a seed was on the line for him, but from everything I've read, I have no reason to believe CoCa was going to drop game 3 to give ByuN the seed. They just wanted to go to a game 3. This is still match fixing and wrong, but everyone seems to think CoCa was just handing ByuN the spot. Edit: Edited for clarity. omg, can we please not try to explain what happened when we don't know what happened? okay, this just feeds the misinformation. let people who know what happened explain what happened.
Right, and everything I've said was based on what they were willing to say. Obviously, I'm not saying I'm 100% factually correct. But people need to stop going around saying CoCa was handing ByuN the Code A seed when we have no reason to believe -- with the information we have -- that that was the case. Also, Khaldor and Wolf need to stop saying this during gsl casts, as they're just perpetuating the myth.
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It's pretty hard to deny that nestea got his teeth smashed on a curb by byun in games 2 and 3. I do believe byun is one of the top Terrans in the world right now. So the only way you could argue the bunker rush changed the outcome of the series is that it affected nestea's psyche. But, I think the reasons nestea lost were due to superb attack timings and decisions from byun, rather than silly mistakes from nestea.
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Why is this still going on? Official statement by GOM, no rematch (which if there was one would have been a farce of a competition in my eyes, considering how badly NesTea got stomped in games 2 and 3). I've already posted, Byun noticed the change and tailored a strategy to it which means NesTea certainly had the time to notice the change. Grow up, in professional sports people will go as far as they can within the rules (let alone outside of the rules) to win.
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I dont wana have to post this again ecpsecially in this light but people are arguing over the match fixing innident . It was improvised on the spot, byun pressured coca in to leaving and out of social politness coca left, costinghim his career which is why I always felt funny about byun. Heres the cono translated.
Byun: fuck fuck
Coca: Trap card!
Byun: I got dominated fuck
Coca: You have to put down a planetary. I have 3 expansions.
Byun: No it's not that. Mutas
Byun: Leave fuck fuck fuck
Coca: I surrender
Byun: Let's go to a third game
Coca: ok. gg
*Coca leaves game*
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