[Spoilers] GSL Metropolis Neutral Depot Situation - Page 40

On July 14 2012 21:52 iGn1t3 wrote:
so sad for Nestea. Should be a re-match.

On July 14 2012 22:21 philth wrote:
I've always felt the neutral supply depot is a half measure anyway, and rather clumsy to look at. A map should be able to be problem free inherently, without having to slap a gimmick on it. Maybe ramp sizes, number of ramps, distances from ramps to minerals, or some other mechanism, needs to be revisited.

I don't have the answer myself, as I'm neither a map maker, nor a top level player. Yet I'm convinced the answer is out there somewhere.

On July 14 2012 22:42 Assirra wrote:

Neither of those things has anything to do with the problem of the double bunker rush.
Don't see why it is gimmicky tbh. its just part of the map to prevent nonsense like we also had destructible rocks from bases removed.
Also, claiming there is a solution when you don't know it is kinda silly.

On July 14 2012 22:59 philth wrote:


Asserting that there is no solution without trying anything is genius though, I'm sure. Thanks for letting me know I'm kinda silly, I'll try to curb my thinking in the future.

On July 14 2012 22:42 Assirra wrote:

Neither of those things has anything to do with the problem of the double bunker rush.
Don't see why it is gimmicky tbh. its just part of the map to prevent nonsense like we also had destructible rocks from bases removed.
Also, claiming there is a solution when you don't know it is kinda silly.

On July 15 2012 04:46 whatevername wrote:
Destructable rocks isnt a strategy, it is literally unacceptable that a map precludes a particular action because its perceived as imbalanced. It needs to be balanced away through patching, through the meta game, or simple map size/geography. Double bunker isnt even imbalanced, its easy as fuck to stop, its just a hold over mentality from the cheesefest of 2010.

On July 15 2012 06:34 mrjpark wrote:


Uh. It's actually just a free win. I guess it's not a balance problem since the Zerg player may as well have just not joined the game.

On July 15 2012 06:35 whatevername wrote:
Oh, so I guess you have literally never beaten a terran on every single ladder map eh?

On July 15 2012 06:46 sibs wrote:

Hmm its a free win if Terran gets the 2 bunkers blocking the ramp.

Usually its stopped by a patrolling drone, again if you think theres a depot there you wont bother patrolling.

On July 15 2012 06:38 Peanutbutter717 wrote:
If Byun knew that the depots should have been there, he should have just played in a way that assumed it was there, because it was supposed to be.

On July 15 2012 02:48 ohampatu wrote:
This thread saddens me in so many ways.

1. The mods are not doing their jobs, they are allowing people to say 'please die' and other harsh things about Byun, and only giving a warning for it. To put this in light, last time i replied to Incontrol and said some derogatory terms, I was insta banned (we'll ignore incontrol cussing/flaming/etc, cause you dont ban pros, i get it). Can the people trashing Byun be treated like this? I bet you'd insta ban if instead of 'Byun' getting made fun of, it was 'TLO' or 'NoNy'. Your letting people post the chat from his CoCa games, letting people call him a matchfixer. I blame this complete thread on TL and its MOD's.

2. There is no rule that states a depot has to be on a map. There is only the rule that GSL maps have to be used. I dont understand how people keep stating he broke a rule. He did no such thing.

3. Byun didn't do anything sneakily. He watched 10 vods (or more) of the map, saw that it never had a depot at all this season, and created a strat for it. Lets go ahead and call every player that has played on this map this season that hasn't mentioned the depots a 'horrible person, unprofessional, should quit gaming, no honor, etc'.

4. Nestea is the only person to blame at this point in time. He had the ability to pause. He had the ability to question the admins. He had the ability to beat the strat after scouting it. The only people who dropped the ball were GOM and Nestea. GOM put out an annoucement, Nestea didn't want to regame. Issues are now resolved. Drop the fucking subject already.

5. The depot is not a 'balance' object. The maps are balanced without depots. The depots are strictly there for viwership. At this point in time the best discussion would be if the depots are even needed anymore. Which they aren't. Maps have increased in size, zerg has gotten better early game. Ladder diamond players can prevent this strat, why are we making it ez on the pros that they dont have to do something a simple diamond player is expected to do every ladder game in PvZ.

Most importantly. You people trashing Byun make me sick. He is a top 3 terran potentially, and your all trashing him, calling him a matchfixer, bringing up old information, trying to make him look like the bad guy. He is the only guy who out of the 3 who did his job 100 percent. Out of Byun, Nestea, and GOM....Byun acted 100 percent as he should have, whilst Nestea and GOM both dropped the ball when it was in their courts.

On July 15 2012 02:48 ohampatu wrote:
This thread saddens me in so many ways.

1. The mods are not doing their jobs, they are allowing people to say 'please die' and other harsh things about Byun, and only giving a warning for it. To put this in light, last time i replied to Incontrol and said some derogatory terms, I was insta banned (we'll ignore incontrol cussing/flaming/etc, cause you dont ban pros, i get it). Can the people trashing Byun be treated like this? I bet you'd insta ban if instead of 'Byun' getting made fun of, it was 'TLO' or 'NoNy'. Your letting people post the chat from his CoCa games, letting people call him a matchfixer. I blame this complete thread on TL and its MOD's.

2. There is no rule that states a depot has to be on a map. There is only the rule that GSL maps have to be used. I dont understand how people keep stating he broke a rule. He did no such thing.

3. Byun didn't do anything sneakily. He watched 10 vods (or more) of the map, saw that it never had a depot at all this season, and created a strat for it. Lets go ahead and call every player that has played on this map this season that hasn't mentioned the depots a 'horrible person, unprofessional, should quit gaming, no honor, etc'.

4. Nestea is the only person to blame at this point in time. He had the ability to pause. He had the ability to question the admins. He had the ability to beat the strat after scouting it. The only people who dropped the ball were GOM and Nestea. GOM put out an annoucement, Nestea didn't want to regame. Issues are now resolved. Drop the fucking subject already.

5. The depot is not a 'balance' object. The maps are balanced without depots. The depots are strictly there for viwership. At this point in time the best discussion would be if the depots are even needed anymore. Which they aren't. Maps have increased in size, zerg has gotten better early game. Ladder diamond players can prevent this strat, why are we making it ez on the pros that they dont have to do something a simple diamond player is expected to do every ladder game in PvZ.

Most importantly. You people trashing Byun make me sick. He is a top 3 terran potentially, and your all trashing him, calling him a matchfixer, bringing up old information, trying to make him look like the bad guy. He is the only guy who out of the 3 who did his job 100 percent. Out of Byun, Nestea, and GOM....Byun acted 100 percent as he should have, whilst Nestea and GOM both dropped the ball when it was in their courts.