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On July 12 2012 22:42 ohampatu wrote:
Lol.
people saying this cost Nestea the whole series. You realise he just got 3-0'd right? Also. Nestea should do research, the last few metropolis games haven't had it. And he scouted the 'no depot' way before scouting the 2 rax. Nestea could have paused and made a complaint, or something.
Its funny its been like this for at least the last 4 or so games, and only when Nestea loses does it become 'Controversy'
No. It is controversial because it was the first game where the Terran took advantage of it. Trust me, it would be a big deal if it happened in GSTL as well.
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On July 12 2012 22:47 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 22:42 ohampatu wrote:
Lol.
people saying this cost Nestea the whole series. You realise he just got 3-0'd right? Also. Nestea should do research, the last few metropolis games haven't had it. And he scouted the 'no depot' way before scouting the 2 rax. Nestea could have paused and made a complaint, or something.
Its funny its been like this for at least the last 4 or so games, and only when Nestea loses does it become 'Controversy' No. It is controversial because it was the first game where the Terran took advantage of it. Trust me, it would be a big deal if it happened in GSTL as well.
i think people are ignoring the mental side of the game, plus if NesTea had won game one then that means he gets to play on Antiga which Artosis said was good for NesTea not sure what 5th map was though
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On July 12 2012 22:47 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 22:42 ohampatu wrote:
Lol.
people saying this cost Nestea the whole series. You realise he just got 3-0'd right? Also. Nestea should do research, the last few metropolis games haven't had it. And he scouted the 'no depot' way before scouting the 2 rax. Nestea could have paused and made a complaint, or something.
Its funny its been like this for at least the last 4 or so games, and only when Nestea loses does it become 'Controversy' No. It is controversial because it was the first game where the Terran took advantage of it. Trust me, it would be a big deal if it happened in GSTL as well.
No. Its not a big deal at all. Nestea knew about this by the '45 second' mark in game. He didn't say anything. There have been 4 games or more on Metropolis in GSL/GSTL without it. People are making this a huge deal, when Nestea hasn't made it a big deal. Its only controversy because Nestea lost to a bunker rush.
And no, its not an 'illegal' strat, a depot doesn't prevent the strat from working. It makes a 'ramp walloff' require one more building, thats it. It just makes his strat harder. But it doesn't matter, Nestea could have done a PP, he could have complained. He could have done some research on the last few games. He could have focus fired the scv (5 hp left).
So many things nestea messed up on. And people are using this as an excuse that he got '3-0'd' because of it.
edit: people keep talking about the 'mental' aspect of it. Well, Nestea should have used his 'mind' to look at his own ramp. Nestea is a 3 time winner, if he got tilted from a non gsl winner doing an all-in, then he deserved to lose even more
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On July 12 2012 22:39 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Nestea must have been so tilted for the rest of the series.
Is this the first time Nestea has been 3-0ed? Wouldn't surprise me.
Nope, Mvp 3-0'd him in the Gainward tourney a couple of years ago.
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The other thing that gets weird is that NesTea didn't notice this or complain about it. Isn't the idea about practicing and preparing for a match that you actually play on a match?
This leaves two options
1| NesTea didn't prepare for the match at all
2| NesTea did prepare on Metropolis but none of the IM terrans are competent enough do exectue a 2Rax.
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go byun! xD
sucks for nestea though :\
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On July 12 2012 22:51 Wroshe wrote:
The other thing that gets weird is that NesTea didn't notice this or complain about it. Isn't the idea about practicing and preparing for a match that you actually play on a match?
This leaves two options
1| NesTea didn't prepare for the match at all
2| NesTea did prepare on Metropolis but none of the IM terrans are competent enough do exectue a 2Rax.
noone but Byun noticed since the start of this GSL
not one other person
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thats not what cost NesTea that game, what cost him the game was totally failing to block, or deal with it. The fact that he didn't know that depo wouldn't be there showed a lack of practice and game analysis that Byun had.
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Smart play by Byun. Nestea should have just shrugged it off and played better.
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On July 12 2012 22:51 Wroshe wrote:
The other thing that gets weird is that NesTea didn't notice this or complain about it. Isn't the idea about practicing and preparing for a match that you actually play on a match?
This leaves two options
1| NesTea didn't prepare for the match at all
2| NesTea did prepare on Metropolis but none of the IM terrans are competent enough do exectue a 2Rax.
No one practices 2 bunker on ramp anymore because it's impossible to do it on any other map. It's possible that he didn't even realize that this map is differet since 2 weeks ago.
There's a reason why there's neutral depot, and that's exactly because of pylon/bunker blocks.
But still, nestea played bad during the entire series, that huge attack in game 3 was pretty bad, going muta on every map is also kinda bad nowadays etc.etc. nestea had a bad luck and even worse day overall
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On July 12 2012 22:52 baldgye wrote:
thats not what cost NesTea that game, what cost him the game was totally failing to block, or deal with it. The fact that he didn't know that depo wouldn't be there showed a lack of practice and game analysis that Byun had.
We have depots on every fucking map for a reason, it's certainly not nestea fault for not defending a build that is considered so fucked up that we modified every single map to make sure it's not possible.
What is his faults, goms fault and pretty much everyones fault who was at that studio since they disappeared to not notice the change. If this series would have went 3-2 in byuns favor there would be a huge amount of rage going on atm.
As it stands nestea got stomped anyways...
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ROFL. Tough shit NesTea. "Sure we'll fix it immediately, but for now, you're gone, bro!"
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On July 12 2012 22:52 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 22:51 Wroshe wrote:
The other thing that gets weird is that NesTea didn't notice this or complain about it. Isn't the idea about practicing and preparing for a match that you actually play on a match?
This leaves two options
1| NesTea didn't prepare for the match at all
2| NesTea did prepare on Metropolis but none of the IM terrans are competent enough do exectue a 2Rax. noone but Byun noticed since the start of this GSL not one other person
That simply means that all the other players are either
a| too lazy to practice the maps they have to play on or
b| too stupid to see an opportunity
Take your pick.
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This is really silly. Personally, I don't think it's the job of tournaments or map makers to be deciding that a strategy isn't allowed. Last year it made a lot more sense because this was nearly impossible to deal with but nowadays (especially post queen buff; this is what the buff ACTUALLY effects) it isn't such a big deal. Nestea could easily have stopped at least one bunker coming up and should have been able to stop it even after they came up. It was just his poor control that lost him the series.
At the same time, if the players think that there's going to be a depot and aren't expecting it, it isn't really fair, but it wasn't intentional and these things happy. Oh well.
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On July 12 2012 22:54 Lorch wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 22:52 baldgye wrote:
thats not what cost NesTea that game, what cost him the game was totally failing to block, or deal with it. The fact that he didn't know that depo wouldn't be there showed a lack of practice and game analysis that Byun had. We have depots on every fucking map for a reason, it's certainly not nestea fault for not defending a build that is considered so fucked up that we modified every single map to make sure it's not possible. What is his faults, goms fault and pretty much everyones fault who was at that studio since they disappeared to not notice the change. If this series would have went 3-2 in byuns favor there would be a huge amount of rage going on atm. As it stands nestea got stomped anyways...
Actually. Its completely Nestea's fault. He let that scv live with 5 hp. He also knew about the no depot change before the first minute of the game was up (before he scouted 2 rax). He could have complained, manned up and won anyway, or numerous o ther things. Nestea is the only person who didn't notice, and some of you fans apparently (its been like this for 3 weeks now almost). Byun stomped Nestea. Hard. Get over it
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On July 12 2012 22:42 ohampatu wrote:
Lol.
people saying this cost Nestea the whole series. You realise he just got 3-0'd right? Also. Nestea should do research, the last few metropolis games haven't had it. And he scouted the 'no depot' way before scouting the 2 rax. Nestea could have paused and made a complaint, or something.
Its funny its been like this for at least the last 4 or so games, and only when Nestea loses does it become 'Controversy'
He may not have realised... It's not like he would check in the middle of a game if there is a neutral depot, he was probably thinking about 1000s of other things. No one else noticed either. Maybe it didn't cost him the whole series, but maybe it did. Don't pretend to know what would have happened.
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On July 12 2012 22:55 Wroshe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 22:52 Forikorder wrote:On July 12 2012 22:51 Wroshe wrote:
The other thing that gets weird is that NesTea didn't notice this or complain about it. Isn't the idea about practicing and preparing for a match that you actually play on a match?
This leaves two options
1| NesTea didn't prepare for the match at all
2| NesTea did prepare on Metropolis but none of the IM terrans are competent enough do exectue a 2Rax. noone but Byun noticed since the start of this GSL not one other person That simply means that all the other players are either a| too lazy to practice the maps they have to play on orb| too stupid to see an opportunity Take your pick.
I think some people are missing a big thing here.
Notice how Byun said he had to look up vods from the previous game to confirm it?
Why would he do that if he had access to the map itself right on his computer? I think its obvious that it is only in the GSL/GSTL that that version of the map is getting used and if you didn't notice it there you won't see it.
IM is also no longer in the teamleague so why should they watch it when they should be preparing their matches.
And being prepared for something that should be impossible is silly, its like being prepared in case suddenly banelings jump over buildings.
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I was kinda wondering, though I didn't consciously recognize why at the time, "why don't I see this more often in Code S?".
Thanks for the update!
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On July 12 2012 22:56 ohampatu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 22:54 Lorch wrote:On July 12 2012 22:52 baldgye wrote:
thats not what cost NesTea that game, what cost him the game was totally failing to block, or deal with it. The fact that he didn't know that depo wouldn't be there showed a lack of practice and game analysis that Byun had. We have depots on every fucking map for a reason, it's certainly not nestea fault for not defending a build that is considered so fucked up that we modified every single map to make sure it's not possible. What is his faults, goms fault and pretty much everyones fault who was at that studio since they disappeared to not notice the change. If this series would have went 3-2 in byuns favor there would be a huge amount of rage going on atm. As it stands nestea got stomped anyways...
Actually. Its completely Nestea's fault. He let that scv live with 5 hp. He also knew about the no depot change before the first minute of the game was up (before he scouted 2 rax). He could have complained, manned up and won anyway, or numerous o ther things. Nestea is the only person who didn't notice, and some of you fans apparently (its been like this for 3 weeks now almost). Byun stomped Nestea. Hard. Get over it
He may not have realised... It's not like he would check in the middle of a game if there is a neutral depot, he was probably thinking about 1000s of other things. No one else noticed either. Maybe it didn't cost him the whole series, but maybe it did. Don't pretend to know what would have happened.
how do you all think this is legitimate? the bunker puts a big fucking pink dot on your screen, you dont even need to look at anything other than the minimap to find out in about 5 seconds. If Nestea couldn't handle that cause he was thinking of other stuff (idk what he could be thinking of in the first 30 second of the game), then he deserved to lose even more
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