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On July 12 2012 22:35 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 22:34 Pinnacle55 wrote:
In my opinion, the fact that Byun was able to recognise the difference in the maps and change his build order on the fly (I'm assuming he found out at the same time as Nestea that the neutral depot was missing) shows that he is the better player.
If Nestea had the same awareness he would have at least made some precautions (at the very least he should have microed against the low-HP SCV better).
Nevertheless, I really hope that this can be fixed. I don't think it's GOM's fault because they weren't informed by the mapmakers, and from what I interpret, it's Blizzard's system that caused it, which is completely out of GOM's control. it was stated that Byun figured it out in the GSTL and kept his mouth shut
Well, all power to Byun, then. If he managed to find some way to abuse (I really don't like this word but I'll use it regardless) the map and take advantage of the terrain, then by all means let him have the victory.
I mean, if you discover a good spot to place a cannon/pylon for a cannon rush, you're not going to tell the world about it, right?
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Either way if they were to regame people would be upset at this point because Byun won 3-0. It is good/bad that Byun did abuse it so it could be brought to attention, but there will be a lot of drama about the whole situation.
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At least nestea's still in code S next season without a doubt! :D
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It just talks wonders about the preparation of Byun. He notices it. Nestea, and all other zerg players, didn't. The map is played and the most acute mind won. GG.
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should just remove metro, stupid imba map
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considering how harsh koreans usually are on player's mistakes or behaviour its surprising this has no consequences, nestea was so shaken up after this
very unfortunate situation but its hard to to a regame now
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On July 12 2012 22:37 Sumadin wrote:
So it is a mistake afterall. Was kinda hoping it was some decision to allow it to happen on that map only. It would make sense given that is is already one of the bigest map in the pool and very zerg favored through mostly agains terran.
And really more latency issues on metropolis? Kinda hope GSL takes the Blizzard route and just trash this map next season. Looking at stats the balance is all over the place. I think it is time to just get rid of it. Send a note to the maker that he should mind his limits next time.
In what world would it make sense...(I suppose in the world of Blizzards ladder)....its an auto loss if t or p knows what they are doing.
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Lol.
people saying this cost Nestea the whole series. You realise he just got 3-0'd right? Also. Nestea should do research, the last few metropolis games haven't had it. And he scouted the 'no depot' way before scouting the 2 rax. Nestea could have paused and made a complaint, or something.
Its funny its been like this for at least the last 4 or so games, and only when Nestea loses does it become 'Controversy'
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Honestly what prevented NesTea from immediatly doing 'pp' during the game and then ask why the hell there are no depots? Even though GOM made the mistake NesTea also made a pretty big one with accepting the mistake.
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Weren't people saying that drone drilling makes any sort of ramp blocks untenable and therefore the neutral depots aren't needed anymore?
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Can't blame Byun for using the strategy.
I can imagine this being a very tilting thing to deal with, especially after mentally ruling out the strategy as impossible in competitive play.
It can be argued that contributed to us not seeing the Nestea we are accustomed to seeing.
Still, Byun did win 3-0. Had Nestea managed to pull himself together and at least win 2 sets, it would be a much bigger issue.
Good lesson to be learned by both tournament organizers and players. To organizers: verify and quality check the product you are presenting. Production isn't just lights, cameras and dialogue. To players: any time you encounter something wrong or unfair, report it immediately; in mid game, pause to call the judges.
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On July 12 2012 22:40 Pinnacle55 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 22:35 Forikorder wrote:On July 12 2012 22:34 Pinnacle55 wrote:
In my opinion, the fact that Byun was able to recognise the difference in the maps and change his build order on the fly (I'm assuming he found out at the same time as Nestea that the neutral depot was missing) shows that he is the better player.
If Nestea had the same awareness he would have at least made some precautions (at the very least he should have microed against the low-HP SCV better).
Nevertheless, I really hope that this can be fixed. I don't think it's GOM's fault because they weren't informed by the mapmakers, and from what I interpret, it's Blizzard's system that caused it, which is completely out of GOM's control. it was stated that Byun figured it out in the GSTL and kept his mouth shut Well, all power to Byun, then. If he managed to find some way to abuse (I really don't like this word but I'll use it regardless) the map and take advantage of the terrain, then by all means let him have the victory. I mean, if you discover a good spot to place a cannon/pylon for a cannon rush, you're not going to tell the world about it, right?
that would be true if the depot wasnt supposed to be there, it would be like playing on crossfire and the destructible rocks not being there and your opponent FFEs and you mass speedling and run into there main and win
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On July 12 2012 22:30 Genovi wrote:
Mistakes like these really should not be made by Gom. However I feel that the decision not to replay the set is the correct one now that it is over. Whichever way you look at it Byun won and there is no legit way to take that away from him. It just sucks for Nestea
I agree. Mistakes or not this was the official version. GOMtv is not in a position where they can illigalize a strat. If we look at the korean stats for metropolis nobody can blame Byun for cheesing his way out on such a ZvT favored map.
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On July 12 2012 22:43 Wroshe wrote:
Honestly what prevented NesTea from immediatly doing 'pp' during the game and then ask why the hell there are no depots? Even though GOM made the mistake NesTea also made a pretty big one with accepting the mistake.
nothing, because this isn't a 'controversy' thing. Really, anybody who watches GSL/GSTL has known about this for the last 2 weeks
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It's pretty silly situation because no one expects that bunker rush nowadays because they are removed from the game with these depots, so it was unlucky for Nestea, but it didn't cost him the series. He was outplayed in all 3 games. Heck even in that game 1 he failed to kill SCV which had 5-10 hp left. If he atleast did that he might have hold
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On July 12 2012 22:43 Sumadin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 22:30 Genovi wrote:
Mistakes like these really should not be made by Gom. However I feel that the decision not to replay the set is the correct one now that it is over. Whichever way you look at it Byun won and there is no legit way to take that away from him. It just sucks for Nestea I agree. Mistakes or not this was the official version. GOMtv is not in a position where they can illigalize a strat. If we look at the korean stats for metropolis nobody can blame Byun for cheesing his way out on such a ZvT favored map.
actually they are in taht position, thats why the depot exists to illegilaze ramp blocking with buildings on the low ground
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On July 12 2012 22:44 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 22:43 Sumadin wrote:On July 12 2012 22:30 Genovi wrote:
Mistakes like these really should not be made by Gom. However I feel that the decision not to replay the set is the correct one now that it is over. Whichever way you look at it Byun won and there is no legit way to take that away from him. It just sucks for Nestea I agree. Mistakes or not this was the official version. GOMtv is not in a position where they can illigalize a strat. If we look at the korean stats for metropolis nobody can blame Byun for cheesing his way out on such a ZvT favored map. actually they are in taht position, thats why the depot exists to illegilaze ramp blocking with buildings on the low ground
no, they are not meant to 'illegalize' anything. its meant to make a 'ramp block' require 1 additional building. it doesn't make it illegal
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On July 12 2012 22:45 ohampatu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 22:44 Forikorder wrote:On July 12 2012 22:43 Sumadin wrote:On July 12 2012 22:30 Genovi wrote:
Mistakes like these really should not be made by Gom. However I feel that the decision not to replay the set is the correct one now that it is over. Whichever way you look at it Byun won and there is no legit way to take that away from him. It just sucks for Nestea I agree. Mistakes or not this was the official version. GOMtv is not in a position where they can illigalize a strat. If we look at the korean stats for metropolis nobody can blame Byun for cheesing his way out on such a ZvT favored map. actually they are in taht position, thats why the depot exists to illegilaze ramp blocking with buildings on the low ground no, they are not meant to 'illegalize' anything. its meant to make a 'ramp block' require 1 additional building. it doesn't make it illegal
it makes it impossible
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On July 12 2012 22:45 ohampatu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 22:44 Forikorder wrote:On July 12 2012 22:43 Sumadin wrote:On July 12 2012 22:30 Genovi wrote:
Mistakes like these really should not be made by Gom. However I feel that the decision not to replay the set is the correct one now that it is over. Whichever way you look at it Byun won and there is no legit way to take that away from him. It just sucks for Nestea I agree. Mistakes or not this was the official version. GOMtv is not in a position where they can illigalize a strat. If we look at the korean stats for metropolis nobody can blame Byun for cheesing his way out on such a ZvT favored map. actually they are in taht position, thats why the depot exists to illegilaze ramp blocking with buildings on the low ground no, they are not meant to 'illegalize' anything. its meant to make a 'ramp block' require 1 additional building. it doesn't make it illegal
it's meant to stop it from being done period. you can't afford "1 additional building" at the time where it is effective. that also requires an extra scv and has more surface area from inside
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Well its over anyways and Byun totally outplayed in this series.
Sorry Nestea.Hopefully GOM rectify this mistake and ensured this won't happen because this is actually a huge blunder by them.
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