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On April 25 2012 03:25 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 03:10 overt wrote:On April 25 2012 02:56 shell wrote:
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck Driving the wrong way down a one way street, continuing to drive down that one way street as people get agitated at you, and then nearly running people over after the people get violent, followed up by causing actual bodily harm to two people, is not bad luck. It's called stupidity. Actually the fact that he drove over someone's foot then sped away is probably the bigger issue. I'm willing to bet he gets off with a slap on the writs, if he gets any jail time at all it will be very short, more likely he will end up on probation with community service. Even in Arizona, no judge in their right mind is going to give him 35 years in prison for this, that's just the maximum possible penalty. Use your brains guys. This is another instance where people want to get all up in arms and overreact over something relatively mild. Guy wasn't paying attention where he was going, drove dangerously, caused some injuries, fled the scene. Now he's going to get a big fine and probably end up on probation for most of his sentence..... So what's the big deal here....?
The thing about it is there's only one story that we can actually read. Assuming it's completely true he began driving down the wrong way of a one-way street, people started yelling at him, he continued driving down the one-way street, and then people surrounded his car. He then backed up quickly, nearly hit a hot dog stand, and it was at this point that the crowd became physically violent.
But yeah, him running over someone's toe is probably what the prosecution is going after.
On this day, the annual music festival was going on in Winslow. John mistakenly turns into Winslow´s 2. street going the wrong way down the one way street full of people enjoying the festivities. John drives slowly but some people still hurl abuse and make threatening gestures towards the car.
When he tried to turn into the Auto Shop where his Volvo was towed, a crowd surrounded the car and his mother panicked and told him to get out of there. He backed up against a curb and got a flat tire. He stopped a few meters away from a hot dog stand. There is a woman and her kids inside the hot dog stand, the car never made any contact with them or the stand. Many of the witnessess thinks this is deadly dangerous driving. They drive around the block, enter 2. street the right way and stop. The car is surrounded by people. Michael Mendoza, saw what happened from his store and had chased the car around the block thinking John had attemted to kill his wife and children. John has the window rolled down and is reciving verbal abuse when Mendoza shows up and punches John in the face, spewing blood all over the steeringwheel, breaking his nose.
Assuming this is all translated properly then I don't think anyone should be surprised that he was arrested. He acted stupid. He was negligent. The crowd didn't get violent until they felt threatened by his driving. Should he spend five years in prison? No, I don't believe he should. But is this some case of a kid with bad luck who's the victim of a scandal? Probably not.
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A prosecutor will try to get the most they can out of any case.
I highly doubt this guy will suffer anything greater than a hefty fine.
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He called 911 and told them what was up so he did show interest for the victims of his somewhat reckless driving in the aftermath of getting punched in the face.
Man this is dumb.
I don't know why people are calling him a "kid" though, since he is apparently 33 years old.
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On April 25 2012 03:28 woody60707 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 03:25 TheToast wrote:On April 25 2012 03:10 overt wrote:On April 25 2012 02:56 shell wrote:
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck Driving the wrong way down a one way street, continuing to drive down that one way street as people get agitated at you, and then nearly running people over after the people get violent, followed up by causing actual bodily harm to two people, is not bad luck. It's called stupidity. Actually the fact that he drove over someone's foot then sped away is probably the bigger issue. I'm willing to bet he gets off with a slap on the writs, if he gets any jail time at all it will be very short, more likely he will end up on probation with community service. Even in Arizona, no judge in their right mind is going to give him 35 years in prison for this, that's just the maximum possible penalty. Use your brains guys. This is another instance where people want to get all up in arms and overreact over something relatively mild. Guy wasn't paying attention where he was going, drove dangerously, caused some injuries, fled the scene. Now he's going to get a big fine and probably end up on probation..... So what's the big deal here....? Already found guilty. 5 years is the min. Now the news story is very bias. He hit kids and sped away with out a care if he killed anyone or not. Yes, you should get jail time for hit and runs.
Just because someone gets sentenced to 5 years doesn't actually mean they end up serving that much. A lot of states have programs like anger management or drug rehab programs that can knock off a few years if inmates participate. Good behavior and the like can also see people paroled much earlier. It might be different in Arizona, but I would be a bit surprised if he spent a full 5 years behind bars.
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On April 25 2012 03:29 Zythius wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 03:24 DannyJ wrote:On April 25 2012 03:22 Zythius wrote:On April 25 2012 03:10 overt wrote:On April 25 2012 02:56 shell wrote:
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck Driving the wrong way down a one way street, continuing to drive down that one way street as people get agitated at you, and then nearly running people over after the people get violent, followed up by causing actual bodily harm to two people, is not bad luck. It's called stupidity. This kid doesn't deserve to go to jail, and I'm sure most of what happened was caused by his panic, but twisting the story into, "this kid had bad luck so the US threw him in prison," is worse than the spin of American media. It sucks that this happened but it's Arizona. I'm not exactly impressed with how they handle foreigners over the last two to three years. For people leveling criticisms against America as a whole, fuck off. Your country isn't perfect either. There are plenty of states where cases like this wouldn't happen and basing your entire opinion of this situation off of Norweigan media seems kind of silly anyways. It's extremely probable that the Norweigan sources we have for this are just the guy's testimony anyways. You make it seem like driving the wrong way in a calm little street is a good enough reason for one to assault people. Guess what? It isn't. You also talk about "bodily harm" - all I heard was one person getting their toes rolled over because they A) were unlucky or B) were attempting to assault Larsgard together with Mendoza. Grow the fuck up. When people drive the wrong way you yell at them and wave your arms, you don't assault them and brake their nose. I wish I was there to see the entire situation unfold - now I have to watch the ustream and read the media. Um... since when is a festival crowded with people a "calm little street"? Um.. Have you actually seen the police videos? There ain't nobody but police and a couple of bystanders there. The festival-goers must have left in a hurry (or maybe they were in a different location all together). I think I know why he got convicted. He is an overweight, insecure and probably somewhat weird person that is scared to death, and he made some stupid statements in court because of that. Justice isn't the same for everyone: it depends on how much a people person you are.
Haha ok, so for your sake let's just assume it's impossible that people could have left an area as cops try to figure out what happened  I guess that's one part fully inaccurate about the Norwegian article.
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On April 25 2012 03:30 silynxer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 03:28 woody60707 wrote:On April 25 2012 03:25 TheToast wrote:On April 25 2012 03:10 overt wrote:On April 25 2012 02:56 shell wrote:
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck Driving the wrong way down a one way street, continuing to drive down that one way street as people get agitated at you, and then nearly running people over after the people get violent, followed up by causing actual bodily harm to two people, is not bad luck. It's called stupidity. Actually the fact that he drove over someone's foot then sped away is probably the bigger issue. I'm willing to bet he gets off with a slap on the writs, if he gets any jail time at all it will be very short, more likely he will end up on probation with community service. Even in Arizona, no judge in their right mind is going to give him 35 years in prison for this, that's just the maximum possible penalty. Use your brains guys. This is another instance where people want to get all up in arms and overreact over something relatively mild. Guy wasn't paying attention where he was going, drove dangerously, caused some injuries, fled the scene. Now he's going to get a big fine and probably end up on probation..... So what's the big deal here....? Already found guilty. 5 years is the min. Now the news story is very bias. He hit kids and sped away with out a care if he killed anyone or not. Yes, you should get jail time for hit and runs. Wait, he felt threatened/was assaulted fled for that reason, caused injuries while doing so and should be held liable for not checking if the injured were alright (at the place he fled from)?! Haha you guys.
The dad went after the guy because he already fled the scene first. If he would of done the right thing to start with, this wouldn't have happened. Yes, it makes sense that people would get angry if you hit people then try to flee. Hit and runs are not cool.
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Things like this is why i was really unsure what to do when i got in to trouble in US. A taxi driver tried to screw me and my friends over and we were kind of held hostage in his car :D. When we called the cops I really didnt know what to expect (even though our hostel's clerk told us "dont worry this is usa"). Well eventually the cop arrived and acted as a judge and jury and ruled in our favor (because we were right obviously). This happened in Miami, if it had happened in Arizona there's a possibility I would still be in jail? 
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Does anyone know the PW for the live stream?
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On April 25 2012 03:35 woody60707 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 03:30 silynxer wrote:On April 25 2012 03:28 woody60707 wrote:On April 25 2012 03:25 TheToast wrote:On April 25 2012 03:10 overt wrote:On April 25 2012 02:56 shell wrote:
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck Driving the wrong way down a one way street, continuing to drive down that one way street as people get agitated at you, and then nearly running people over after the people get violent, followed up by causing actual bodily harm to two people, is not bad luck. It's called stupidity. Actually the fact that he drove over someone's foot then sped away is probably the bigger issue. I'm willing to bet he gets off with a slap on the writs, if he gets any jail time at all it will be very short, more likely he will end up on probation with community service. Even in Arizona, no judge in their right mind is going to give him 35 years in prison for this, that's just the maximum possible penalty. Use your brains guys. This is another instance where people want to get all up in arms and overreact over something relatively mild. Guy wasn't paying attention where he was going, drove dangerously, caused some injuries, fled the scene. Now he's going to get a big fine and probably end up on probation..... So what's the big deal here....? Already found guilty. 5 years is the min. Now the news story is very bias. He hit kids and sped away with out a care if he killed anyone or not. Yes, you should get jail time for hit and runs. Wait, he felt threatened/was assaulted fled for that reason, caused injuries while doing so and should be held liable for not checking if the injured were alright (at the place he fled from)?! Haha you guys. The dad went after the guy because he already fled the scene first. If he would of done the right thing to start with, this wouldn't have happened. Yes, it makes sense that people would get angry if you hit people then try to flee. Hit and runs are not cool.
this seems likely, the dad caught up to the fleeing vehicle by foot and managed to punch the guy accurately while doing so?
So far the only statements we saw is him getting smashed by the dad, and THEN hitting people with his car while fleeing.
If you know anything more please enlighten us.
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On April 25 2012 03:35 woody60707 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 03:30 silynxer wrote:On April 25 2012 03:28 woody60707 wrote:On April 25 2012 03:25 TheToast wrote:On April 25 2012 03:10 overt wrote:On April 25 2012 02:56 shell wrote:
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck Driving the wrong way down a one way street, continuing to drive down that one way street as people get agitated at you, and then nearly running people over after the people get violent, followed up by causing actual bodily harm to two people, is not bad luck. It's called stupidity. Actually the fact that he drove over someone's foot then sped away is probably the bigger issue. I'm willing to bet he gets off with a slap on the writs, if he gets any jail time at all it will be very short, more likely he will end up on probation with community service. Even in Arizona, no judge in their right mind is going to give him 35 years in prison for this, that's just the maximum possible penalty. Use your brains guys. This is another instance where people want to get all up in arms and overreact over something relatively mild. Guy wasn't paying attention where he was going, drove dangerously, caused some injuries, fled the scene. Now he's going to get a big fine and probably end up on probation..... So what's the big deal here....? Already found guilty. 5 years is the min. Now the news story is very bias. He hit kids and sped away with out a care if he killed anyone or not. Yes, you should get jail time for hit and runs. Wait, he felt threatened/was assaulted fled for that reason, caused injuries while doing so and should be held liable for not checking if the injured were alright (at the place he fled from)?! Haha you guys. The dad went after the guy because he already fled the scene first. If he would of done the right thing to start with, this wouldn't have happened. Yes, it makes sense that people would get angry if you hit people then try to flee. Hit and runs are not cool.
Are we reading the same article? There was no scene and no hit and run at the time he first went away (without injuring anyone) because he did not actually hit anybody at that time. Yeah you can be pissed at somebody for almost hitting you or especially your kids, you can write down their number plate, call the cops and gather witnesses but you cannot call that a hit and run and absolutely cannot encircle the car and question and attack the driver.
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On April 25 2012 03:39 freewareplayer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 03:35 woody60707 wrote:On April 25 2012 03:30 silynxer wrote:On April 25 2012 03:28 woody60707 wrote:On April 25 2012 03:25 TheToast wrote:On April 25 2012 03:10 overt wrote:On April 25 2012 02:56 shell wrote:
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck Driving the wrong way down a one way street, continuing to drive down that one way street as people get agitated at you, and then nearly running people over after the people get violent, followed up by causing actual bodily harm to two people, is not bad luck. It's called stupidity. Actually the fact that he drove over someone's foot then sped away is probably the bigger issue. I'm willing to bet he gets off with a slap on the writs, if he gets any jail time at all it will be very short, more likely he will end up on probation with community service. Even in Arizona, no judge in their right mind is going to give him 35 years in prison for this, that's just the maximum possible penalty. Use your brains guys. This is another instance where people want to get all up in arms and overreact over something relatively mild. Guy wasn't paying attention where he was going, drove dangerously, caused some injuries, fled the scene. Now he's going to get a big fine and probably end up on probation..... So what's the big deal here....? Already found guilty. 5 years is the min. Now the news story is very bias. He hit kids and sped away with out a care if he killed anyone or not. Yes, you should get jail time for hit and runs. Wait, he felt threatened/was assaulted fled for that reason, caused injuries while doing so and should be held liable for not checking if the injured were alright (at the place he fled from)?! Haha you guys. The dad went after the guy because he already fled the scene first. If he would of done the right thing to start with, this wouldn't have happened. Yes, it makes sense that people would get angry if you hit people then try to flee. Hit and runs are not cool. this seems likely, the dad caught up to the fleeing vehicle by foot and managed to punch the guy accurately while doing so? So far the only statements we saw is him getting smashed by the dad, and THEN hitting people with his car while fleeing. If you know anything more please enlighten us.
That's what was said in the live stream http://www.ustream.tv/channel/thomasnilsson
Then it got PW protected.
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On April 25 2012 03:35 woody60707 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 03:30 silynxer wrote:On April 25 2012 03:28 woody60707 wrote:On April 25 2012 03:25 TheToast wrote:On April 25 2012 03:10 overt wrote:On April 25 2012 02:56 shell wrote:
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck Driving the wrong way down a one way street, continuing to drive down that one way street as people get agitated at you, and then nearly running people over after the people get violent, followed up by causing actual bodily harm to two people, is not bad luck. It's called stupidity. Actually the fact that he drove over someone's foot then sped away is probably the bigger issue. I'm willing to bet he gets off with a slap on the writs, if he gets any jail time at all it will be very short, more likely he will end up on probation with community service. Even in Arizona, no judge in their right mind is going to give him 35 years in prison for this, that's just the maximum possible penalty. Use your brains guys. This is another instance where people want to get all up in arms and overreact over something relatively mild. Guy wasn't paying attention where he was going, drove dangerously, caused some injuries, fled the scene. Now he's going to get a big fine and probably end up on probation..... So what's the big deal here....? Already found guilty. 5 years is the min. Now the news story is very bias. He hit kids and sped away with out a care if he killed anyone or not. Yes, you should get jail time for hit and runs. Wait, he felt threatened/was assaulted fled for that reason, caused injuries while doing so and should be held liable for not checking if the injured were alright (at the place he fled from)?! Haha you guys. The dad went after the guy because he already fled the scene first. If he would of done the right thing to start with, this wouldn't have happened. Yes, it makes sense that people would get angry if you hit people then try to flee. Hit and runs are not cool.
Wait where did you read that, I've only read that he was hit then he fled and proceeded to call the cops, I'm curious if you got another source if so I'd be interested.
Also prosecutors are saying 5 years is too little, hence they want it to be served after each other and not at the same time.
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Why do people post this crap? Cue the idiot-fueled shitstorm of ratting on America for a guy driving on the wrong side of the road during one of the busiest times. How can you not be brain dead and/or oblivious to your mother driving properly for hundreds upon thousands of miles and yet drive on the wrong side of the road and not fix the issue? Was his mother brain dead at the time? Before idiots jump on the bandwagon and talk shit for little reason, yes the punishment seems a bit severe but you have to face the facts. If you screw up, you have to pay the price. Doesn't matter what country you're from; that shouldn't be hard to understand.
Now back to the hateful shitstorming!
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Areon, you're an idiot, the people are arguing because of the way it was handled and the possible outcome, and the fact is this wouldnt have happend in any place in europe, if we are to go by what has been said about the case now, cant really say how much credibility the article got, but it's the only source of information I got.
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Didn't read it. Saw it on the live stream IIRC. And the only news story is just what this guy said what happen. The prosecutors was saying things pretty differently. Being that he was already found guilty and no one was stopping him from making these "outrageous" claim, I kind of think that add weight to what the prosecutors said happen.
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Ok, can't comment on anything with apparently very little and conflicting information but I wonder wether people called the police before he did and whether anybody actually was hurt before the incident the article writes about.
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On April 24 2012 16:35 ZergOwaR wrote:Found this one on the news today, and had to find a non-norwegian site for it aswell Show nested quote +Translation follows
This is a story about what must be one of the most unlucky people ever. This is a guy that moved to the states because he was bullied at his school in Oslo. In 2002 he studied in Chicago. He was assaulted by two people while jogging, and in September the same year his school kicked him out because he might be a terrorist. He sued the school so that he might continue his studies elsewhere.
The other side of the jogging story:
"According to Defendants, Larsgard was stalking their daughter Nichole. Accordingly, "[t]his was not an unprovoked attack on a stranger, but a man who followed his fascination with a young teenage girl from Mobile, Alabama to Illinois.""
He sued them.
The school-story has in media been told from only one point of view, his. And his side sounds remarkably unbelievable and not logical at all.
He sued the school.
This story, has similarities to the second story, in that it's presented from his point of view and sounds unbelievable.
He has tried to sue witnesses.
I think he's painting a picture far from the truth, and I would like to hear the other side of the story.
I'm doubting his honesty badly.
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