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McBengt
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1684 Posts
April 24 2012 17:18 GMT
#221
This story reminds me of the trial in Idiocracy for some reason.
"My twelve year old will out-reason Bill Maher when it comes to understanding, you know, what, uh, how to logic work" - Rick Santorum
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
April 24 2012 17:20 GMT
#222
Gee, this sounds completely reliable and definitely isn't a tabloid-quality shock story meant to allow Norwegians to get in their daily circlejerk about how shitty the US is.

If it really went down like the article says it did, not even Arizona would do something like that. Pull your heads out of your asses please. I'll bet if someone published an article saying that a little boy got 10 years in prison for littering a gum wrapper in America, half of you would believe it.
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Opeasy
Profile Joined August 2011
107 Posts
April 24 2012 17:20 GMT
#223
On April 25 2012 01:57 CaptainCrush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 01:04 Madkipz wrote:
Well, unlike sensationalist media norwegian media tends to be fairly accurate.


You're not the first Norwegian I've seen saying this in this thread.... news is always biased in some way. If you think that your particular channel or country is any differnet, then I think you're being a bit naive...

Show nested quote +
Norwegians tend to be quite naive


Oh wait, I guess you already know that then?


I don't think naive is the right word. Norwegians like to think the best of people, and we also hope people will think the best of us. That is a quality I am proud to have. Calling us naive, is not very nice.
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
April 24 2012 17:22 GMT
#224
Those kind of news make me sad..... Can't believe people treat others like this.
bennyboi
Profile Joined November 2011
Norway2 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 17:27:05
April 24 2012 17:23 GMT
#225
The case is beeing livestreamed right now at ustream for anyone interested.
GrandMaPwnZ.
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway84 Posts
April 24 2012 17:24 GMT
#226
On April 25 2012 02:20 Opeasy wrote:
I don't think naive is the right word. Norwegians like to think the best of people, and we also hope people will think the best of us. That is a quality I am proud to have. Calling us naive, is not very nice.


It may not be very nice, but it's to some extent true. Many tourist just doesn't think to adapt their behaviour in accordance to the country and culture they are in. Sometimes it's considered naive, and other times it's considered rude. It goes both ways.
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 17:25:19
April 24 2012 17:24 GMT
#227
On April 25 2012 02:20 Hinanawi wrote:
Gee, this sounds completely reliable and definitely isn't a tabloid-quality shock story meant to allow Norwegians to get in their daily circlejerk about how shitty the US is.

If it really went down like the article says it did, not even Arizona would do something like that. Pull your heads out of your asses please. I'll bet if someone published an article saying that a little boy got 10 years in prison for littering a gum wrapper in America, half of you would believe it.


They also like to look at only the absolute maximum people could possibly get for something, before the case is even overlooked by a judge, and think that's what people ARE going to get.

It's like when Mitt Romney was glitter bombed. The angst filled people reading it on TL saw something like 6 months in jail for whatever he was initially charged with, and thought that's what the person was getting. The US is so barbaric!!! In reality the judge threw out the charge and gave him a misdemeanor, as everyone sensible knew would happen.
Cutlery
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway565 Posts
April 24 2012 17:25 GMT
#228
On April 25 2012 01:04 Madkipz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 00:53 seedfreedom wrote:
This story seems way way too spun for it to be true. I've actually been in a similar situation but i didn't hit anyone and therefore nobody tried to hit me. What he should have done is slowed down, made sure he didn't hit anyone. Completely stopped the car when there was any sign he could hit someone, and rolled up the windows. Its common sense. if you slam on the gas when frightened you should not be behind the wheel, that is all. People, even drunks, don't randomly start smashing your car up, especially if they are trying to have a good time too. I find it hard to believe anything this article says and that any of it happened the way they paint it.

Honestly the entire thing shows more about how people will blindly accept any story about how another nation is horrible without considering if the article makes any sense at all, rather than the failures of the legal system.


Well, unlike sensationalist media norwegian media tends to be fairly accurate.



SOrry, but no. Tabloids lie and make up stories here aswell. Obviously this isn't entirely made up; as there is an interview with him behind bars. And it sounds like something from a very bad dream. . . but what's up with him getting kicked out of school for being a terrorist, and getting randomly beat up outside.. and now this? Is it a grand series of unfortunate events, or is there something strange about this guy?

Either way, someone hurt their pinky toe; can't give him 5 years for that...........
GrandMaPwnZ.
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway84 Posts
April 24 2012 17:28 GMT
#229
On April 25 2012 02:24 DannyJ wrote:
They also like to look at only the absolute maximum people could possibly get for something, before the case is even overlooked by a judge, and think that's what people ARE going to get.

It's like when Mitt Romney was glitter bombed. The angst filled people reading it on TL saw something like 6 months in jail for whatever he was initially charged with, and thought that's what the person was getting. The US is so barbaric!!! In reality the judge threw out the charge and gave him a misdemeanor, as everyone sensible knew would happen.


I believe the sentence could be from 5-35 years. 5 years minimum is quite a lot.
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
April 24 2012 17:35 GMT
#230
On April 25 2012 02:28 GrandMaPwnZ. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 02:24 DannyJ wrote:
They also like to look at only the absolute maximum people could possibly get for something, before the case is even overlooked by a judge, and think that's what people ARE going to get.

It's like when Mitt Romney was glitter bombed. The angst filled people reading it on TL saw something like 6 months in jail for whatever he was initially charged with, and thought that's what the person was getting. The US is so barbaric!!! In reality the judge threw out the charge and gave him a misdemeanor, as everyone sensible knew would happen.


I believe the sentence could be from 5-35 years. 5 years minimum is quite a lot.


IF CONVICTED. Do I need to make a flowchart? I can draw one in MS Paint if this is difficult to grasp, but for now I'll just type this:

===
For each charge (may be multiple of varying severity),

Is client guilty of charge?

If yes ---> (minimum) to (maximum) years in prison
If no ---> charge thrown out
===

But yeah, it's okay. To people reading this tabloid garbage, he's apparently already been found guilty of the most serious charge and he's serving 5-35 years in prison, what a fascist hellhole Amurikkka is.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 17:40:47
April 24 2012 17:36 GMT
#231
On April 25 2012 02:28 GrandMaPwnZ. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 02:24 DannyJ wrote:
They also like to look at only the absolute maximum people could possibly get for something, before the case is even overlooked by a judge, and think that's what people ARE going to get.

It's like when Mitt Romney was glitter bombed. The angst filled people reading it on TL saw something like 6 months in jail for whatever he was initially charged with, and thought that's what the person was getting. The US is so barbaric!!! In reality the judge threw out the charge and gave him a misdemeanor, as everyone sensible knew would happen.


I believe the sentence could be from 5-35 years. 5 years minimum is quite a lot.


Well, I'm not directly referring to this cause, but once again im pretty sure it's people don't understand whats going on, and just focus on some arbitrary number. There is absolutely no way in hell this dude got charged with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon if he just ran over someones toe. Thats also IF it stands. The glitter bombers didnt stand.
PraccOrc
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway16 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 17:52:41
April 24 2012 17:43 GMT
#232
On April 25 2012 02:35 Hinanawi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 02:28 GrandMaPwnZ. wrote:
On April 25 2012 02:24 DannyJ wrote:
They also like to look at only the absolute maximum people could possibly get for something, before the case is even overlooked by a judge, and think that's what people ARE going to get.

It's like when Mitt Romney was glitter bombed. The angst filled people reading it on TL saw something like 6 months in jail for whatever he was initially charged with, and thought that's what the person was getting. The US is so barbaric!!! In reality the judge threw out the charge and gave him a misdemeanor, as everyone sensible knew would happen.


I believe the sentence could be from 5-35 years. 5 years minimum is quite a lot.


IF CONVICTED. Do I need to make a flowchart? I can draw one in MS Paint if this is difficult to grasp, but for now I'll just type this:

===
For each charge (may be multiple of varying severity),

Is client guilty of charge?

If yes ---> (minimum) to (maximum) years in prison
If no ---> charge thrown out
===

But yeah, it's okay. To people reading this tabloid garbage, he's apparently already been found guilty of the most serious charge and he's serving 5-35 years in prison, what a fascist hellhole Amurikkka is.


According to vg.no he has already been found guilty, they are now finding out what sentence he should get.
Livestream from the trial: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/thomasnilsson (very laggy atm!).
Edit: new stream link: http://www.vgtv.no/#!id=52167
Reapafied
Profile Joined February 2011
65 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 17:48:35
April 24 2012 17:47 GMT
#233
I'm shocked so many people accept this story at face value with nearly no sources or other sides to the story.. Whats wrong with you guys? This whole thing feels more like people just wanting something to hate or someone to feel sorry for. The story in that article would be laughed at in a court due to there being no sources and no opposing viewpoints at all. I'm not saying this story is true or false but I have a very very hard time seeing how its as cut and dry as people think it is.. there HAS to be more to this as there is in every situation. I lived in flagstaff for 6 years, I have a hard time believing people there would just randomly "gang up" on this person and attack them without a damn damn good reason. This feels more like an excuses to hate the "ignorant americans" then anything else.
theBOOCH
Profile Joined November 2010
United States832 Posts
April 24 2012 17:49 GMT
#234
Wow... I don't know if this is a failure of the law or of human beings in general. I went the wrong way down a 1 way street once almost went through the wall of a building... the people around there were helpful, though, not crazy assholes. Imagine if I went to jail for that shit?
If all you're offering is Dos Equis, I will stay thirsty thank you very much.
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
April 24 2012 17:50 GMT
#235
On April 25 2012 02:43 PraccOrc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 02:35 Hinanawi wrote:
On April 25 2012 02:28 GrandMaPwnZ. wrote:
On April 25 2012 02:24 DannyJ wrote:
They also like to look at only the absolute maximum people could possibly get for something, before the case is even overlooked by a judge, and think that's what people ARE going to get.

It's like when Mitt Romney was glitter bombed. The angst filled people reading it on TL saw something like 6 months in jail for whatever he was initially charged with, and thought that's what the person was getting. The US is so barbaric!!! In reality the judge threw out the charge and gave him a misdemeanor, as everyone sensible knew would happen.


I believe the sentence could be from 5-35 years. 5 years minimum is quite a lot.


IF CONVICTED. Do I need to make a flowchart? I can draw one in MS Paint if this is difficult to grasp, but for now I'll just type this:

===
For each charge (may be multiple of varying severity),

Is client guilty of charge?

If yes ---> (minimum) to (maximum) years in prison
If no ---> charge thrown out
===

But yeah, it's okay. To people reading this tabloid garbage, he's apparently already been found guilty of the most serious charge and he's serving 5-35 years in prison, what a fascist hellhole Amurikkka is.


According to vg.no he has already been found guilty, they are now finding out what sentence he should get.
Livestream from the trial: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/thomasnilsson (very laggy atm!).


Does it say what he was found guilty of, and the rationale for it? Also, does it go into more detail about him getting kicked out of school for suspicion of 'terrorism' in 2002? I mean maybe that would be a good story about evil racists if he was arab, but this is a chubby white kid, I don't get it.

Also yeah, that stream is skipping constantly for me and I can't hear anything.

Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
stormssc
Profile Joined September 2009
Poland125 Posts
April 24 2012 17:52 GMT
#236
Every time I hop on teamliquid, I see a thread about something stupid happening in the US. EVERY TIME.
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
April 24 2012 17:54 GMT
#237
Nothing suprises me anymore in the US.. anything can happen!
BENFICA || Besties: idra, Stephano, Nestea, Jaedong, Serral, Jinro, Scarlett || Zerg <3
Reapafied
Profile Joined February 2011
65 Posts
April 24 2012 17:55 GMT
#238
On April 25 2012 02:52 stormssc wrote:
Every time I hop on teamliquid, I see a thread about something stupid happening in the US. EVERY TIME.


And you probably believe most of them without ever checking for basic sources. Not trying to knock you personally just the over all tone coming from people posting and reading these threads.
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
April 24 2012 17:56 GMT
#239
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck but no one can convict a US soldier not even if he rapes your daughter, kills a family or kills your president.. lolol

This is not a bash, this is the truth..

They are the world police, unfortunatly they are not the brightest of fairest or even a clean police..

User was temp banned for this post.
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Undrass
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway381 Posts
April 24 2012 17:58 GMT
#240
On April 25 2012 02:50 Hinanawi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 02:43 PraccOrc wrote:
On April 25 2012 02:35 Hinanawi wrote:
On April 25 2012 02:28 GrandMaPwnZ. wrote:
On April 25 2012 02:24 DannyJ wrote:
They also like to look at only the absolute maximum people could possibly get for something, before the case is even overlooked by a judge, and think that's what people ARE going to get.

It's like when Mitt Romney was glitter bombed. The angst filled people reading it on TL saw something like 6 months in jail for whatever he was initially charged with, and thought that's what the person was getting. The US is so barbaric!!! In reality the judge threw out the charge and gave him a misdemeanor, as everyone sensible knew would happen.


I believe the sentence could be from 5-35 years. 5 years minimum is quite a lot.


IF CONVICTED. Do I need to make a flowchart? I can draw one in MS Paint if this is difficult to grasp, but for now I'll just type this:

===
For each charge (may be multiple of varying severity),

Is client guilty of charge?

If yes ---> (minimum) to (maximum) years in prison
If no ---> charge thrown out
===

But yeah, it's okay. To people reading this tabloid garbage, he's apparently already been found guilty of the most serious charge and he's serving 5-35 years in prison, what a fascist hellhole Amurikkka is.


According to vg.no he has already been found guilty, they are now finding out what sentence he should get.
Livestream from the trial: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/thomasnilsson (very laggy atm!).


Does it say what he was found guilty of, and the rationale for it? Also, does it go into more detail about him getting kicked out of school for suspicion of 'terrorism' in 2002? I mean maybe that would be a good story about evil racists if he was arab, but this is a chubby white kid, I don't get it.

Also yeah, that stream is skipping constantly for me and I can't hear anything.



He was taking a biochemistry class. After 9/11 the University of South Alabama in Mobile was afraid of more terrorism. Larsgard, being a foreigner with access to dangerous material in the labs, was therefore a obvious threat. They were basically concerned that he would poison the water-supply of a city. Thus, Larsgard was kicked out of that class because he could be a terrorist, because he was a foreigner.

Larsgard later sued the university and won the case.

http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/2001/10/12/287340.html
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