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On April 25 2012 00:53 seedfreedom wrote:
This story seems way way too spun for it to be true. I've actually been in a similar situation but i didn't hit anyone and therefore nobody tried to hit me. What he should have done is slowed down, made sure he didn't hit anyone. Completely stopped the car when there was any sign he could hit someone, and rolled up the windows. Its common sense. if you slam on the gas when frightened you should not be behind the wheel, that is all. People, even drunks, don't randomly start smashing your car up, especially if they are trying to have a good time too. I find it hard to believe anything this article says and that any of it happened the way they paint it.
Honestly the entire thing shows more about how people will blindly accept any story about how another nation is horrible without considering if the article makes any sense at all, rather than the failures of the legal system.
Well, unlike sensationalist media norwegian media tends to be fairly accurate.
Norwegians tend to be quite naive when travelling abroad and no question getting punched in the nose after being ganged upon is definately not something that is commonplace. It is not unlikely that his mother truly was intimidated and told her son to get out of there. Especially given that most sensationalist stories from the US tends to be centered around just that: Gang violence.
It is not the fault of USA that most of the time European media tends to center itself around the negative aspects of living in that particular nation so that people view their own continents in a better light.
That combined with the heated crowd and the violence initiated upon his person he did just that and then afterwards called the cops once he was distanced from the event. It might be wrong in hindsight and he should have just taken the abuse and later sued, but that isn`t a natural reaction to the situation that was at hand. Heck, at that particular moment he might have feared for his life and then hit the reverse in a panic.
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On April 25 2012 01:04 Madkipz wrote:
Well, unlike sensationalist media norwegian media tends to be fairly accurate.
i don't believe that for a second. no evidence at all supports that. nationalist pride exist everywhere.
On April 25 2012 01:04 Madkipz wrote:
Norwegians tend to be quite naive when travelling abroad and no question getting punched in the nose after being ganged upon is definately not something that is commonplace. It is not unlikely that his mother truly was intimidated and told her son to get out of there. Especially given that most sensationalist stories from the US tends to be centered around just that: Gang violence.
That combined with the heated crowd and the violence initiated upon his person he did just that and then afterwards called the cops once he was distanced from the event. It might be wrong in hindsight and he should have just taken the abuse and later sued, but that isn`t a natural reaction to the situation that was at hand. Heck, at that particular moment he might have feared for his life and then hit the reverse in a panic.
Doesnt justify it. Unless these guys had guns pointed at you, you are in a car. roll up the damn windows and wait it out. they cannot kill you, they can at the worst, punch you, and thats only if you leave the windows down. You are in a car. a very very small mistake ends lives. you have more control and they have more to lose. "with great power comes great responsibility."
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On April 25 2012 00:53 seedfreedom wrote:
This story seems way way too spun for it to be true. I've actually been in a similar situation but i didn't hit anyone and therefore nobody tried to hit me. What he should have done is slowed down, made sure he didn't hit anyone. Completely stopped the car when there was any sign he could hit someone, and rolled up the windows. Its common sense. if you slam on the gas when frightened you should not be behind the wheel, that is all. People, even drunks, don't randomly start smashing your car up, especially if they are trying to have a good time too. I find it hard to believe anything this article says and that any of it happened the way they paint it.
unless the guys rental car was a freaking porsche, he should have rolled up the windows, stay still and call the cops. you cannot justify running someone over.
Honestly the entire thing shows more about how people will blindly accept any story about how another nation is horrible without considering if the article makes any sense at all, rather than the failures of the legal system.
It should be common sense that mobs of drunk people that surround your car and punch you in the face, are actually quite likely to smash up your car. As far as I know there is no source at all that contradicts the portrayal of events in the article. Concluding that it must all be a lie, for no apparent reason, makes you atleast as stupid as the people you call out.
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So two people rented a car, crashed it, rented a new car, turned the wrong way on a one way street, hit a curb and popped their tire, almost hit a hotdog stand with with a mother and her children, then got scared and hit two people with the car and drove away.
See this is called "spin." The media is god-mode with spin.
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First of all I have no reason to disbelieve the account given in the Norwegian paper. The story sounds plausible. This sounds like a misunderstanding that went very wrong. The Norwegian made mistakes both before and after being punched in the nose.
America takes driving infractions seriously. More people die from automobiles each year than guns, so reckless driving and hit and run are seen as serious crimes.
That said, being punched in the nose can cause poor judgment, so I would personally be forgiving of anyone who made a bad decision after being punched in the nose.
For those bashing Arizona and its politics in general, please keep in mind that this is Coconcino County, which is heavily not at all representative of the state. Obama won this county despite the fact that John McCain is from Arizona. The county has some Indian (Native American) Reservations in it so the population is like 25% Native American. The point is that the local politics are very different from the rest of the state, and appeals to the state may be this Norwegian's best hope.
EDIT: This might have happened in Navajo county which has an even higher Native American population.
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On April 25 2012 01:19 Crushinator wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 00:53 seedfreedom wrote:
This story seems way way too spun for it to be true. I've actually been in a similar situation but i didn't hit anyone and therefore nobody tried to hit me. What he should have done is slowed down, made sure he didn't hit anyone. Completely stopped the car when there was any sign he could hit someone, and rolled up the windows. Its common sense. if you slam on the gas when frightened you should not be behind the wheel, that is all. People, even drunks, don't randomly start smashing your car up, especially if they are trying to have a good time too. I find it hard to believe anything this article says and that any of it happened the way they paint it.
unless the guys rental car was a freaking porsche, he should have rolled up the windows, stay still and call the cops. you cannot justify running someone over.
Honestly the entire thing shows more about how people will blindly accept any story about how another nation is horrible without considering if the article makes any sense at all, rather than the failures of the legal system. It should be common sense that mobs of drunk people that surround your car and punch you in the face, are actually quite likely to smash up your car. As far as I know there is no source at all that contradicts the portrayal of events in the article. Concluding that it must all be a lie, for no apparent reason, makes you atleast as stupid as the people you call out.
No proof anything happened the way this article mentioned either. this article has a lot to gain by making the offender look innocent and not the other way around. Everything about they say seems to indicate he over reacted and hit someone. you are still in a safe vehicle. Like i said unless they are threatening you with guns, you have no reason to worry about your life. people outside the car however do. He was the one with more power and control in this situation and he didnt act appropriately.
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American people must be proud of their IQ, the display of intelligence at the highest level of authority in that country is so supreme, if they add all the americans together then multiply it by their national debt, their IQ combined might even tip over to the double digits.
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On April 25 2012 00:21 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 00:14 GrandMaPwnZ. wrote:On April 24 2012 23:29 mbsupermario wrote:
I want to go to Norway and try to re-enact this scenario with the roles reversed. Any bets on whether or not I go to jail? I don't think so. You would probably get a fine for reckless driving. I doubt anyone would punch you or try to surround your car. There is quite the difference in culture when it comes to aggresive behaviour in traffic. We very rarely have cases or road-rage and such. It is not my intention to bash on the US, but you have to admit that there is quite a difference in culture in situations like these. All it takes is a very small number of individuals in a crowd to turn that crowd into a mob, that's been proven again and again and nationality has nothing to do with it, all humans are susceptible to it if they're in a crowd. And the guy who punched him believed that his family was in danger, people don't react calmly in that kind of situation especially in the midst of an angry crowd.
Thats just admitting the driver shouldnt get a 5 years or more jailtime,
you just said yourself:
On April 25 2012 00:21 DeepElemBlues wrote:
people don't react calmly in that kind of situation especially in the midst of an angry crowd.
If that argument works for the dad, which family didnt get harmed, but only NEARLY got harmed, then it sure works for the guy who got punched in the face and then caused some minor injuries fleeing.
Even if the driver was (partially) at fault, as you said, noone would react calmly in an angry mob, especially not after being assaulted, and therefore shouldnt be judged as if he had all the time in the world to decide how to react.
It all keeps coming down to, that 5 years or more is way overboard, on top of that not even letting him out on bail.
Just try to seperate the "Lets bash USA people" from the people that think this particular situation is fked up, without having problems with the us in general.
On April 25 2012 01:26 seedfreedom wrote:
No proof anything happened the way this article mentioned either. this article has a lot to gain by making the offender look innocent and not the other way around. Everything about they say seems to indicate he over reacted and hit someone. you are still in a safe vehicle. Like i said unless they are threatening you with guns, you have no reason to worry about your life. people outside the car however do. He was the one with more power and control in this situation and he didnt act appropriately.
You honestly think a little bit of glass will keep you safe vs a mob? Seriously?
Unless your driving in a modified car, the window is piss poor easy to smash for one person alone already, that may safe you from a dog who doesnt know how to smash a window, but im pretty sure everything from an Ape upwards could still mess you up if it wanted to.
Also the Police call and Video proof parts of the article, altho not near everything.
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On April 25 2012 00:53 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +You can not compare European drinking culture to American. It's completely different. It's also proven that Europeans have a higher alcohol tolerance.
Still, this is so OT as it can get Drinking culture has nothing to do with it, crowds with drunk people in them are the same everywhere. Give up the defensive superiority reflex already.
I dont agree with that at all. I can agree to some extent that it's not only the drinking culture is what makes the difference, but culture in general. I dont want to use any nations as examples, but people from certain ethnic groups tend to act way more aggressively then others and the threshold for starting a fight or whatever is much lower - Based on my own experience, alcohol does not always equalize these differences.
I also think it's a bit ignorant to deny that drinking culture dont make a difference. When you drink alot of alcohol your tolerance will be lower and thus you will act differently when you are drunk o_O no?
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Hmm. My first thought is what is wrong with this guy. A string of bad luck this bad must have some other explanation than him just being unlucky?
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On April 25 2012 01:31 freewareplayer wrote:
You honestly think a little bit of glass will keep you safe vs a mob? Seriously?
Unless your driving in a modified car, the window is piss poor easy to smash for one person alone already, that may safe you from a dog who doesnt know how to smash a window, but im pretty sure everything from an Ape upwards could still mess you up if it wanted to.
Also the Police call and Video proof parts of the article, altho not near everything.
Just re-read the post to make sure. before being punched "people were making angry gestures at him". because angry gestures are surely going to cause bodily harm and warrants running people over. he nearly ran over a woman and kids before actually running over a couple of people. He wasnt respecting the car and the damage it can do. like i said, if they pulled guns on him or acutally smashed in his windows, maybe you wouldnt be thinking calmly but they were in no danger.
can i walk around waving a knife in a random crowd? when someone said "wtf dude" i shank them because, hey i felt threatened and they could have a gun or something right? you need to respect what harm you can do, what harm can come to you. you cant over react to every situation, cause harm in the process, then claim you felt threatened.
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it's these sort of lawsuits that make me ashamed to be an american.
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On April 25 2012 01:47 FuRRyChoBo wrote:
it's these sort of lawsuits that make me ashamed to be an american.
If you're not living in Arizona there is really no reason, not like America's justice system is unified.
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On April 25 2012 01:04 Madkipz wrote:
Well, unlike sensationalist media norwegian media tends to be fairly accurate.
You're not the first Norwegian I've seen saying this in this thread.... news is always biased in some way. If you think that your particular channel or country is any differnet, then I think you're being a bit naive...
Norwegians tend to be quite naive
Oh wait, I guess you already know that then?
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Haha i have a feeling this dudes "bad luck" is his own fault 95% of the time.
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On April 25 2012 00:21 DeepElemBlues wrote:
I believe that if there was a crowd of drunken Norwegians they wouldn't act differently from a crowd of drunken Americans. There was a music festival going on, I doubt that the people there were sipping lemonade.
Well, I can guarantee you that you are wrong. I've been to numerous music festivals where alcohol is being consumed like it's air. There are still VERY little aggression. Even when fights breaks out, there are almost never more than 2-3 people getting involved and the fight is usually struck down by guards within seconds. People act like idiots all the time, but very seldom do anyone feel a need to intervene with aggresion and violence.
Last time I remember there was something that would get close to the definition of "mob" in Norway (if something like that happens it's instantly on the news) was when Anders Behring Breivik was brought to court the very first time. We also had problems with riots while the latest war between Palestine and Israel was waging, but 90 % of the mob was youth from the Middle East.
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On April 25 2012 01:57 CaptainCrush wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 01:04 Madkipz wrote:
Well, unlike sensationalist media norwegian media tends to be fairly accurate. You're not the first Norwegian I've seen saying this in this thread.... news is always biased in some way. If you think that your particular channel or country is any differnet, then I think you're being a bit naive... Oh wait, I guess you already know that then?
So true. Norwegian media is terrible and very left-wing. More or less all the journalist vote for socialist parties, it's a proven fact. There is 1 major newspaper that is more right-wingish but that's more like a economic newspaper, but they do mix in politics every now and then as well.
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don't fuck with arizona, they actually seem to live in a different country than most of us.
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This is terrible. Some one in fear for their life, causes a few minor injuries, and next thing you know they're the ones at fault. Unacceptable! Arizona is one of the toughest states on immigrants, and I can't help but feel sorry for the guy.
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On April 25 2012 02:08 nymfaw wrote:
So true. Norwegian media is terrible and very left-wing. More or less all the journalist vote for socialist parties, it's a proven fact. There is 1 major newspaper that is more right-wingish but that's more like a economic newspaper, but they do mix in politics every now and then as well.
From a american point of view almost every party in Norway is left-wing so it's not a big surprise that media may be percieved as leftist. And adding to that journalism has always been big among leftists in Norway for some reason. I do have to disagree when you say media is terrible in Norway. I can agree that some of the largest newspaper (VG & Dagbladet) are very "tabloid", but when it comes to televised media (NRK & TV2) I believe they are very fair and balanced (lol).
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