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This case is ridicilous. Why would he try to murder random people? Even the guy beating on his face?! WHY?! There is no reason why.
I'm sorry guys, but this could only have happened in a country where basic instincts trumps intelligence. I mean, who the f*** attacks people for driving in the wrong lane on a calm street? How much more of a cowboy could you be?!
Reminds me of something I watched on wire tap laws. In most states you can film police officers, but in some states there are wire tap laws the the prosecutors managed to apply to cover simple on-the-street A/V recording of an officer. And the sentences are horrendous.
I sure hope we have some sensible young americans on TL that will grow up and be americas next leaders - in a good way.
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On April 25 2012 02:50 Hinanawi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 02:43 PraccOrc wrote:On April 25 2012 02:35 Hinanawi wrote:On April 25 2012 02:28 GrandMaPwnZ. wrote:On April 25 2012 02:24 DannyJ wrote:
They also like to look at only the absolute maximum people could possibly get for something, before the case is even overlooked by a judge, and think that's what people ARE going to get.
It's like when Mitt Romney was glitter bombed. The angst filled people reading it on TL saw something like 6 months in jail for whatever he was initially charged with, and thought that's what the person was getting. The US is so barbaric!!! In reality the judge threw out the charge and gave him a misdemeanor, as everyone sensible knew would happen. I believe the sentence could be from 5-35 years. 5 years minimum is quite a lot. IF CONVICTED. Do I need to make a flowchart? I can draw one in MS Paint if this is difficult to grasp, but for now I'll just type this: === For each charge (may be multiple of varying severity), Is client guilty of charge? If yes ---> (minimum) to (maximum) years in prison If no ---> charge thrown out === But yeah, it's okay. To people reading this tabloid garbage, he's apparently already been found guilty of the most serious charge and he's serving 5-35 years in prison, what a fascist hellhole Amurikkka is. According to vg.no he has already been found guilty, they are now finding out what sentence he should get. Livestream from the trial: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/thomasnilsson (very laggy atm!). Does it say what he was found guilty of, and the rationale for it? Also, does it go into more detail about him getting kicked out of school for suspicion of 'terrorism' in 2002? I mean maybe that would be a good story about evil racists if he was arab, but this is a chubby white kid, I don't get it. Also yeah, that stream is skipping constantly for me and I can't hear anything.
From vg.no:
"33-åringen er allerede funnet skyldig i legemsbeskadigelse med dødelig våpen - mot seks amerikanere, derav indirekte to små barn."
The 33-year old is already found guilty for assault with a deadly weapon against six Americans, including two young children indirectly.
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I'm listening to the stream atm, and who is the woman speaking now that is saying UMM UMMM, and now she's saying "I was trying to help him" and then he responded with IM GOING TO KILL YOU, UMMM UMM.
If anything I've read about this case it's true it'a a god damn joke, but then again it's hard to believe it all, because it seems so absurd. LOL and just now she purposed that he should be found guilty for the cases consecutive, that means 35 years or whatever.
Ok nevermind she was just a witness, I still got stupider listening to it.
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Oh really, the woman is crying on ustream now... Really... Really!!!! And now she forgives him,too. I wish I had witnessed this event, because I would really like to know how it all played out. She acts like he is a blood thirsty murderer!
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This seems too unbelievable to be true, just so stupid.
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This is absolutely asinine. The whole thing. I'm at a lack of words for just how insane this is.
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On April 25 2012 02:56 shell wrote:
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck
Driving the wrong way down a one way street, continuing to drive down that one way street as people get agitated at you, and then nearly running people over after the people get violent, followed up by causing actual bodily harm to two people, is not bad luck. It's called stupidity. This kid doesn't deserve to go to jail, and I'm sure most of what happened was caused by his panic, but twisting the story into, "this kid had bad luck so the US threw him in prison," is worse than the spin of American media.
It sucks that this happened but it's Arizona. I'm not exactly impressed with how they handle foreigners over the last two to three years. For people leveling criticisms against America as a whole, fuck off. Your country isn't perfect either. There are plenty of states where cases like this wouldn't happen and basing your entire opinion of this situation off of Norweigan media seems kind of silly anyways. It's extremely probable that the Norweigan sources we have for this are just the guy's testimony anyways.
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On April 25 2012 03:10 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 02:56 shell wrote:
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck Driving the wrong way down a one way street, continuing to drive down that one way street as people get agitated at you, and then nearly running people over after the people get violent, followed up by causing actual bodily harm to two people, is not bad luck. It's called stupidity. This kid doesn't deserve to go to jail, and I'm sure most of what happened was caused by his panic, but twisting the story into, "this kid had bad luck so the US threw him in prison," is worse than the spin of American media. It sucks that this happened but it's Arizona. I'm not exactly impressed with how they handle foreigners over the last two to three years. For people leveling criticisms against America as a whole, fuck off. Your country isn't perfect either. There are plenty of states where cases like this wouldn't happen and basing your entire opinion of this situation off of Norweigan media seems kind of silly anyways. It's extremely probable that the Norweigan sources we have for this are just the guy's testimony anyways.
Turns out hes 33. You would think an adult would have more composure in a situation and try not to drive through a crowd of people. Seriously, try stoping and asking for help.
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Hmm, the fact that he left the scene of injury he said he knew happened is not good for him.
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On April 25 2012 03:18 Smat wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 03:10 overt wrote:On April 25 2012 02:56 shell wrote:
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck Driving the wrong way down a one way street, continuing to drive down that one way street as people get agitated at you, and then nearly running people over after the people get violent, followed up by causing actual bodily harm to two people, is not bad luck. It's called stupidity. This kid doesn't deserve to go to jail, and I'm sure most of what happened was caused by his panic, but twisting the story into, "this kid had bad luck so the US threw him in prison," is worse than the spin of American media. It sucks that this happened but it's Arizona. I'm not exactly impressed with how they handle foreigners over the last two to three years. For people leveling criticisms against America as a whole, fuck off. Your country isn't perfect either. There are plenty of states where cases like this wouldn't happen and basing your entire opinion of this situation off of Norweigan media seems kind of silly anyways. It's extremely probable that the Norweigan sources we have for this are just the guy's testimony anyways. Turns out hes 33. You would think an adult would have more composure in a situation and try not to drive through a crowd of people. Seriously, try stoping and asking for help.
Ultimately he was extremely negligent and probably a bit scared if his story is 100% true. I don't think he deserves to spend five years in prison. But I think people are painting this in a way that makes America look awful while ignoring the fact that he could've killed someone.
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On April 25 2012 03:10 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 02:56 shell wrote:
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck Driving the wrong way down a one way street, continuing to drive down that one way street as people get agitated at you, and then nearly running people over after the people get violent, followed up by causing actual bodily harm to two people, is not bad luck. It's called stupidity. This kid doesn't deserve to go to jail, and I'm sure most of what happened was caused by his panic, but twisting the story into, "this kid had bad luck so the US threw him in prison," is worse than the spin of American media. It sucks that this happened but it's Arizona. I'm not exactly impressed with how they handle foreigners over the last two to three years. For people leveling criticisms against America as a whole, fuck off. Your country isn't perfect either. There are plenty of states where cases like this wouldn't happen and basing your entire opinion of this situation off of Norweigan media seems kind of silly anyways. It's extremely probable that the Norweigan sources we have for this are just the guy's testimony anyways.
You make it seem like driving the wrong way in a calm little street is a good enough reason for one to assault people. Guess what? It isn't.
You also talk about "bodily harm" - all I heard was one person getting their toes rolled over because they A) were unlucky or B) were attempting to assault Larsgard together with Mendoza.
Grow the fuck up. When people drive the wrong way you yell at them and wave your arms, you don't assault them and brake their nose. I wish I was there to see the entire situation unfold - now I have to watch the ustream and read the media.
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Hmm, stream shutdown. The state attorney is asking for the sentence to be served as a consecutive punishment thingy, does that mean they're asking for 5+5+5+5+5 etc? Or how does it work?
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Speaking of the ustream trial, I was straining my ears at 100% volume trying to listen to the prosecutor when the streamer made it password-protected.
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On April 25 2012 03:22 Zythius wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 03:10 overt wrote:On April 25 2012 02:56 shell wrote:
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck Driving the wrong way down a one way street, continuing to drive down that one way street as people get agitated at you, and then nearly running people over after the people get violent, followed up by causing actual bodily harm to two people, is not bad luck. It's called stupidity. This kid doesn't deserve to go to jail, and I'm sure most of what happened was caused by his panic, but twisting the story into, "this kid had bad luck so the US threw him in prison," is worse than the spin of American media. It sucks that this happened but it's Arizona. I'm not exactly impressed with how they handle foreigners over the last two to three years. For people leveling criticisms against America as a whole, fuck off. Your country isn't perfect either. There are plenty of states where cases like this wouldn't happen and basing your entire opinion of this situation off of Norweigan media seems kind of silly anyways. It's extremely probable that the Norweigan sources we have for this are just the guy's testimony anyways. You make it seem like driving the wrong way in a calm little street is a good enough reason for one to assault people. Guess what? It isn't. You also talk about "bodily harm" - all I heard was one person getting their toes rolled over because they A) were unlucky or B) were attempting to assault Larsgard together with Mendoza. Grow the fuck up. When people drive the wrong way you yell at them and wave your arms, you don't assault them and brake their nose. I wish I was there to see the entire situation unfold - now I have to watch the ustream and read the media.
Um... since when is a festival crowded with people a "calm little street"?
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On April 25 2012 03:10 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 02:56 shell wrote:
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck Driving the wrong way down a one way street, continuing to drive down that one way street as people get agitated at you, and then nearly running people over after the people get violent, followed up by causing actual bodily harm to two people, is not bad luck. It's called stupidity.
Actually the fact that he drove over someone's foot then sped away is probably the bigger issue. I'm willing to bet he gets off with a slap on the writs, if he gets any jail time at all it will be very short, more likely he will end up on probation with community service. Even in Arizona, no judge in their right mind is going to give him 35 years in prison for this, that's just the maximum possible penalty. Use your brains guys.
This is another instance where people want to get all up in arms and overreact over something relatively mild. Guy wasn't paying attention where he was going, drove dangerously, caused some injuries, fled the scene. Now he's going to get a big fine and probably end up on probation for most of his sentence..... So what's the big deal here....?
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Yep. The news story didn't say how he left the sense of the accident with out checking if the people he hit were ok. It also seems like one of the reason he was found guilty was because he was making contradictory statements (The mean way to say that would be to call that lying).
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On April 25 2012 03:25 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 03:10 overt wrote:On April 25 2012 02:56 shell wrote:
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck Driving the wrong way down a one way street, continuing to drive down that one way street as people get agitated at you, and then nearly running people over after the people get violent, followed up by causing actual bodily harm to two people, is not bad luck. It's called stupidity. Actually the fact that he drove over someone's foot then sped away is probably the bigger issue. I'm willing to bet he gets off with a slap on the writs, if he gets any jail time at all it will be very short, more likely he will end up on probation with community service. Even in Arizona, no judge in their right mind is going to give him 35 years in prison for this, that's just the maximum possible penalty. Use your brains guys. This is another instance where people want to get all up in arms and overreact over something relatively mild. Guy wasn't paying attention where he was going, drove dangerously, caused some injuries, fled the scene. Now he's going to get a big fine and probably end up on probation..... So what's the big deal here....?
Already found guilty. 5 years is the min. Now the news story is very bias. He hit kids and sped away with out a care if he killed anyone or not.
Yes, you should get jail time for hit and runs.
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On April 25 2012 03:24 DannyJ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 03:22 Zythius wrote:On April 25 2012 03:10 overt wrote:On April 25 2012 02:56 shell wrote:
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck Driving the wrong way down a one way street, continuing to drive down that one way street as people get agitated at you, and then nearly running people over after the people get violent, followed up by causing actual bodily harm to two people, is not bad luck. It's called stupidity. This kid doesn't deserve to go to jail, and I'm sure most of what happened was caused by his panic, but twisting the story into, "this kid had bad luck so the US threw him in prison," is worse than the spin of American media. It sucks that this happened but it's Arizona. I'm not exactly impressed with how they handle foreigners over the last two to three years. For people leveling criticisms against America as a whole, fuck off. Your country isn't perfect either. There are plenty of states where cases like this wouldn't happen and basing your entire opinion of this situation off of Norweigan media seems kind of silly anyways. It's extremely probable that the Norweigan sources we have for this are just the guy's testimony anyways. You make it seem like driving the wrong way in a calm little street is a good enough reason for one to assault people. Guess what? It isn't. You also talk about "bodily harm" - all I heard was one person getting their toes rolled over because they A) were unlucky or B) were attempting to assault Larsgard together with Mendoza. Grow the fuck up. When people drive the wrong way you yell at them and wave your arms, you don't assault them and brake their nose. I wish I was there to see the entire situation unfold - now I have to watch the ustream and read the media. Um... since when is a festival crowded with people a "calm little street"?
Um.. Have you actually seen the police videos? There ain't nobody but police and a couple of bystanders there. The festival-goers must have left in a hurry (or maybe they were in a different location all together).
I think I know why he got convicted. He is an overweight, insecure and probably somewhat weird person that is scared to death, and he made some stupid statements in court because of that. Justice isn't the same for everyone: it depends on how much a people person you are.
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On April 25 2012 03:28 woody60707 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 03:25 TheToast wrote:On April 25 2012 03:10 overt wrote:On April 25 2012 02:56 shell wrote:
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck Driving the wrong way down a one way street, continuing to drive down that one way street as people get agitated at you, and then nearly running people over after the people get violent, followed up by causing actual bodily harm to two people, is not bad luck. It's called stupidity. Actually the fact that he drove over someone's foot then sped away is probably the bigger issue. I'm willing to bet he gets off with a slap on the writs, if he gets any jail time at all it will be very short, more likely he will end up on probation with community service. Even in Arizona, no judge in their right mind is going to give him 35 years in prison for this, that's just the maximum possible penalty. Use your brains guys. This is another instance where people want to get all up in arms and overreact over something relatively mild. Guy wasn't paying attention where he was going, drove dangerously, caused some injuries, fled the scene. Now he's going to get a big fine and probably end up on probation..... So what's the big deal here....? Already found guilty. 5 years is the min. Now the news story is very bias. He hit kids and sped away with out a care if he killed anyone or not. Yes, you should get jail time for hit and runs.
Wait, he felt threatened/was assaulted fled for that reason, caused injuries while doing so and should be held liable for not checking if the injured were alright (at the place he fled from)?! Haha you guys.
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On April 25 2012 03:25 woody60707 wrote:
Yep. The news story didn't say how he left the sense of the accident with out checking if the people he hit were ok. It also seems like one of the reason he was found guilty was because he was making contradictory statements (The mean way to say that would be to call that lying).
Yeh going back to the mob that just bashed your face in, to check up if they are all in good shape seems like a really smart idea. Try to pretend its you in that situation, your not going back there, thats a bigger level of stupid than the level thats already required to get into that stupid situation.
Surely that guy is at fault here too, but again, those charges are a bad bad bad joke.
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