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ZergOwaR
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway280 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 07:59:20
April 24 2012 07:35 GMT
#1
Found this one on the news today, and had to find a non-norwegian site for it aswell

Translation follows

This is a story about what must be one of the most unlucky people ever. This is a guy that moved to the states because he was bullied at his school in Oslo. In 2002 he studied in Chicago. He was assaulted by two people while jogging, and in September the same year his school kicked him out because he might be a terrorist. He sued the school so that he might continue his studies elsewhere.

He has spent the last seven months in Navajo County Jail, mostly isolated, with handcuffs and foot chains, convicted of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. The weapon: His moms rental car.

On Saturday 24th of September last year, John and his mother were driving from Los Angeles to Chicago in John´s Volvo. His mother was driving, when a warning light comes on indicating something is wrong with a tire. She decided to exit at the first opportunity, Winslow, Arizona. However something is wrong with the steering and they crash in the central reserve.

They are taken for a check-up at Winslow hospital, then they need a rental car. A taxi driver took them to Flagstaff where they could pick up a rental car, then they headed back to Winslow to get their belongings. On this day, the annual music festival was going on in Winslow. John mistakenly turns into Winslow´s 2. street going the wrong way down the one way street full of people enjoying the festivities. John drives slowly but some people still hurl abuse and make threatening gestures towards the car.

When he tried to turn into the Auto Shop where his Volvo was towed, a crowd surrounded the car and his mother panicked and told him to get out of there. He backed up against a curb and got a flat tire. He stopped a few meters away from a hot dog stand. There is a woman and her kids inside the hot dog stand, the car never made any contact with them or the stand. Many of the witnessess thinks this is deadly dangerous driving. They drive around the block, enter 2. street the right way and stop. The car is surrounded by people. Michael Mendoza, saw what happened from his store and had chased the car around the block thinking John had attemted to kill his wife and children. John has the window rolled down and is reciving verbal abuse when Mendoza shows up and punches John in the face, spewing blood all over the steeringwheel, breaking his nose.

He panicks, hits the gas, turns in the street and leaves as fast he can. During this maneuver one woman surrounding his car has her toe run over, another woman was scratched as she jumped away from the car. Those are the only injuries.

John calls 911. Right after this, at least 10 police officers show up with their weapons drawn. Both his mom and John is arrested. John has not been released since.


It turns out that the angry witnesses are all related or friends. His lawyer Criss Candelaria, a former DA of 22 years, calls it a scandal. The honrary consul of Norway to Phoenix, Professor George Olander at State University of Arizona says the case is shameful for the United States, and that a ticket for reckless driving would have been enough.

Tomorrow he will recieve his sentencing, a minimum of five years.


For me this seems like a so far out there case, I can bearly belive it.
Some of the reckless driving (i guess you have to call it that no matter what) seems to be caused by people scaring the shit out of them. And the injuries due to the kid getting punched in the face, before then driving away in panic.. hitting some toes?

An all those police officers.. to stop someone that called 911 himself.. voice that was more afraid than angry.. and from what i could see in the clip, not even slightly aggressive

are these people actually so void of reason?

update:
http://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/artikkel.php?artid=10073343

here we have name of the kid, and a small interview.. hope this helps prove that this might be real
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IamVirGin
Profile Joined March 2012
119 Posts
April 24 2012 07:41 GMT
#2
I saw this yesterday too, and it is nothing short of completely insane.
mewo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States221 Posts
April 24 2012 07:44 GMT
#3
Arizona is quickly becoming the new Florida of states.
BreakfastBurrito
Profile Joined November 2011
United States893 Posts
April 24 2012 07:45 GMT
#4
yeah he doesn't deserve 5 years for that, holy shit.
he did drive (slowly) through a crowd of people and the wrong direction at that, but it was a mistake, not an assault. Punishment is way too severe. Everything is so arbitrary and emotionally charged these days, people don't sit down and talk about what happened.
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screamingpalm
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1527 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 07:48:10
April 24 2012 07:47 GMT
#5
Any source for this?

Wow... reminds me why I am such a recluse! We live in a culture of fear. Almost my entire neighborhood acts like they are paranoid schizophrenic (and I don't live in Arizona).

Imagine trying to raise kids in this type of environment lol.
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Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 08:01:26
April 24 2012 07:49 GMT
#6
Cuz this is MY united states of facism. DIDIDIDIDIDI DODODODO DIDIDIDIDIDI.

EDIT: Seriously though, some US souce on this would be preferable since this could be horribly baised.

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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10496 Posts
April 24 2012 07:52 GMT
#7
Was that story really on the news? They don't even give a last name for the guy or any cited facts. I find it hard to believe that any news agency would publish such a story. Looks more like some guy's blog post.
seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 07:55:00
April 24 2012 07:53 GMT
#8
When he tried to turn into the Auto Shop where his Volvo was towed, a crowd surrounded the car and his mother panicked and told him to get out of there. He backed up against a curb and got a flat tire. He stopped a few meters away from a hot dog stand. There is a woman and her kids inside the hot dog stand, the car never made any contact with them or the stand. Many of the witnessess thinks this is deadly dangerous driving.


That string of sentences doesn't make any sense ot me, especially the conclusion of the witnesses. It makes it sound like he was going 45 and skidded to a stop nearly hitting a hotdog stand with people, which I'm doubting because he had a flat tire. That, and all the witnesses happen to be related, hmm...

Edit: I'm assuming the story was translated, which explains the rough presentation.
qwertzi
Profile Joined March 2011
111 Posts
April 24 2012 07:55 GMT
#9
i understand that people are stupid and shit, but wouldnt at least a judge put an end to this nonsense?
Pillage
Profile Joined July 2011
United States804 Posts
April 24 2012 07:56 GMT
#10
There is not nearly enough info on here to make any reasonable conclusions at all. However that will not stop a bunch of people from jumping on the "Fuck America!" bandwagon because that's just the nature of the internet.
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SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 08:02:35
April 24 2012 07:57 GMT
#11
On April 24 2012 16:47 screamingpalm wrote:
Any source for this?


No

It's an extremely long pile of horseshit. At best, most of it is false and spun heavily.
ZergOwaR
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway280 Posts
April 24 2012 07:58 GMT
#12
On April 24 2012 16:52 BlackJack wrote:
Was that story really on the news? They don't even give a last name for the guy or any cited facts. I find it hard to believe that any news agency would publish such a story. Looks more like some guy's blog post.


updating OP with link to norwegian news.. with interview of the kid in jail
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KaRath_
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia245 Posts
April 24 2012 08:01 GMT
#13
Lesson in life - having more friends at witnesses sometimes create truth

Poor kid, if that s actually what happened he doesn't deserve any jail time
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sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 08:06:47
April 24 2012 08:05 GMT
#14
On April 24 2012 16:49 Tobberoth wrote:
Cuz this is MY united states of facism. DIDIDIDIDIDI DODODODO DIDIDIDIDIDI.

EDIT: Seriously though, some US souce on this would be preferable since this could be horribly baised.

can we stop with the retarded country bashing already? seriously its getting a bit out of hand when anything that happens in the usa its "herpa derp derp USA omgawd derp herp!" I don't bash a country for any single thing they do.. obviously small happenings in one part of a country are not interelated with the rest of the country and its population.
Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
April 24 2012 08:06 GMT
#15
What the hell?
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Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
April 24 2012 08:08 GMT
#16
This is the news article on a Norwegian site: http://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/artikkel.php?artid=10073343 (Norwegian).

I also saw this news on Norwegian news Television yesterday, they showed photos of the arrest and a 2 min interview with the arrested Norwegian.
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ZergOwaR
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway280 Posts
April 24 2012 08:10 GMT
#17
On April 24 2012 16:56 Pillage wrote:
There is not nearly enough info on here to make any reasonable conclusions at all. However that will not stop a bunch of people from jumping on the "Fuck America!" bandwagon because that's just the nature of the internet.


I hope the link to the norwegian site helps abit at showing what happened, sadly it might be hard to get that well translated.

True i have been unable to find complete proof of what exactly happened, but for me the video shows little to no aggresion from the kid.. while high aggresion from the swarm of cops.

but since the claimed offense here is insane driving and trying to kill people.. i would like to see a link of some site explaining the other side of this story
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HAUER
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark208 Posts
April 24 2012 08:10 GMT
#18
rofl what a hick town.
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Dyllyn
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Singapore670 Posts
April 24 2012 08:15 GMT
#19
and people ask me why i don't want to study in the united states
scv rush ftw
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
April 24 2012 08:17 GMT
#20
On April 24 2012 17:05 sc14s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 16:49 Tobberoth wrote:
Cuz this is MY united states of facism. DIDIDIDIDIDI DODODODO DIDIDIDIDIDI.

EDIT: Seriously though, some US souce on this would be preferable since this could be horribly baised.

can we stop with the retarded country bashing already? seriously its getting a bit out of hand when anything that happens in the usa its "herpa derp derp USA omgawd derp herp!" I don't bash a country for any single thing they do.. obviously small happenings in one part of a country are not interelated with the rest of the country and its population.

1. It was a joke man, calm down.
2. The reason why there's a lot of USA bashing is not, as you might think, because europeans like to nitpick some rare isolated events. It's because stuff such as this actually comes up so ridiculously often, all over the US. Yeah, it might be a very bad representation, but then again, we know a lot about your political system etc. The reason you're not picking on Sweden, for example, is because you probably don't know too much about Sweden, we aren't in the spotlight like the US. That's simply the downside of being a superpower, everyone has their eyes on the US.
Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
April 24 2012 08:19 GMT
#21
It's sad that the appeals process must be used in this instance. It's unbelievable what some parts of the U.S. is allowing their legal system to get away with. That's why there's so much controversy in Texas and Florida, to name a few
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BlitchizSC2
Profile Joined August 2010
United States306 Posts
April 24 2012 08:20 GMT
#22
Jeez hate to see stuff like this happen. Hopefully it gets reviewed by the right people. TT.
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screamingpalm
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1527 Posts
April 24 2012 08:21 GMT
#23
Well, this culture is becoming more globalized though. Look at the French elections... and that thread. I never would have expected some of the racist and anti-immigration diatribes- those Le Pen supporters sound more like some hick from Arizona than my preconceived notions of a French citizen lol.
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Dapper_Cad
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom964 Posts
April 24 2012 08:27 GMT
#24
Anyone this unlucky probably offended jesus. Jesus hates terrorists. Therefore this young man is a terrorist.

This shouldn't be about america. Here in europe, believe it or not, we also have dumb people living in fear of invented threats, just read the daily mail.
But he is never making short-term prediction, everyone of his prediction are based on fundenmentals, but he doesn't exactly know when it will happen... So using these kind of narrowed "who-is-right" empirical analysis makes little sense.
dezi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1536 Posts
April 24 2012 08:28 GMT
#25
Only in america ... joke-country keeps being a joke-country. Always has been and always will be a 3rd world country in terms of rights.

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StickyFlower
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden68 Posts
April 24 2012 08:32 GMT
#26
Arizona, you did it again! This state never stops surprising, unfortunatly.
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Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 08:35:57
April 24 2012 08:33 GMT
#27
On April 24 2012 17:10 ZergOwaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 16:56 Pillage wrote:
There is not nearly enough info on here to make any reasonable conclusions at all. However that will not stop a bunch of people from jumping on the "Fuck America!" bandwagon because that's just the nature of the internet.


I hope the link to the norwegian site helps abit at showing what happened, sadly it might be hard to get that well translated.

My Norwegian isn´t that good, but from what I understand the newspaper source is translated exactly in the OP.
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 08:35:59
April 24 2012 08:34 GMT
#28
Durh...

On April 24 2012 16:55 qwertzi wrote:
i understand that people are stupid and shit, but wouldnt at least a judge put an end to this nonsense?

Yep. The judges that deal with these cases shouldn't be stupid. Unfortunately the jury might be.
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SocialStigma
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia29 Posts
April 24 2012 08:36 GMT
#29
I'm sure there would be heaps of public complaints about this issue. Are they seriously gonna go forward with this sentencing? It seems way too harsh.
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Graviton
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia146 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 08:42:20
April 24 2012 08:37 GMT
#30
a crowd surrounded the car
On this day, the annual music festival was going on in Winslow
It turns out that the angry witnesses are all related or friends


Yeah, besides this story's obvious bias, the situation seems to be extremely unlikely. Going to need some more sources for this to be considered an accurate representation of events.
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
April 24 2012 08:38 GMT
#31
On April 24 2012 17:37 Graviton wrote:
Show nested quote +
a crowd surrounded the car
Show nested quote +
On this day, the annual music festival was going on in Winslow
Show nested quote +
It turns out that the angry witnesses are all related or friends


Yeah, besides this story's obvious bias, the situation seems to be extremely unlikely. Going to need some more sources for this to be considered an accuarte representation of events.

Apart from a norwegian newspaper, what kind of source do you want?
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storkfan
Profile Joined March 2012
493 Posts
April 24 2012 08:40 GMT
#32
And this is why NEVER call the police.. those guys are not there to help anyone.. in ANY country.
Graviton
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia146 Posts
April 24 2012 08:42 GMT
#33
On April 24 2012 17:38 Forumite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 17:37 Graviton wrote:
a crowd surrounded the car
On this day, the annual music festival was going on in Winslow
It turns out that the angry witnesses are all related or friends


Yeah, besides this story's obvious bias, the situation seems to be extremely unlikely. Going to need some more sources for this to be considered an accuarte representation of events.

Apart from a norwegian newspaper, what kind of source do you want?

Any other source. This piece omits a huge amount of the information required to make a judgement.
appletree
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark109 Posts
April 24 2012 08:45 GMT
#34
"It was a foreign that, this spring drove like a wildmand, trying to injure and kill people" some of the withnessess says.

I know this might be true, to some extend, but this doesn't exactly scream justice, in my opinion. 5 to 35 years in prison ? No !
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ZergOwaR
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway280 Posts
April 24 2012 08:47 GMT
#35
On April 24 2012 17:37 Graviton wrote:
Show nested quote +
a crowd surrounded the car
Show nested quote +
On this day, the annual music festival was going on in Winslow
Show nested quote +
It turns out that the angry witnesses are all related or friends


Yeah, besides this story's obvious bias, the situation seems to be extremely unlikely. Going to need some more sources for this to be considered an accuarte representation of events.


yeah i actually agree with you.. but sadly my attempts to find anything about this have failed..
even the local news sites gave nothing... if it wasnt for the video with interview, police video and 911 call of both the accused and a witness, one should think it never happened

If someone can drop in any other info it would be great.
One should think that if this is a fabricated story or severly spun.. someone on the other side of the story would try to defend the case with some sort of information.
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brobrah
Profile Joined April 2011
220 Posts
April 24 2012 08:49 GMT
#36
So unlucky he gets accused of being a terrorist? Something is a little off about this.
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NeWeNiyaLord
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Norway2474 Posts
April 24 2012 08:50 GMT
#37
My dad was like, Only in america.. It's ridiculous that they can convict someone with this little proof. And no one except the accused was hurt...
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DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
April 24 2012 08:52 GMT
#38
This is just a typical fail of US law system. Hope people will notice it in time.
GertHeart
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States631 Posts
April 24 2012 08:53 GMT
#39
I live in AZ, this sounds about right. I got reckless driving for cutting off a car by mistake, that shouldn't have been there in the first place. But I was charged with reckless driving, in AZ this is a misdemeanor and you could serve possible jail time for it.
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Graviton
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia146 Posts
April 24 2012 08:53 GMT
#40
On April 24 2012 17:52 DidYuhim wrote:
This is just a typical fail of US law system. Hope people will notice it in time.

He hasn't been sentenced yet. How can it fail if it hasn't had an opportunity to act?
McDutch
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands184 Posts
April 24 2012 08:54 GMT
#41
On April 24 2012 17:53 Graviton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 17:52 DidYuhim wrote:
This is just a typical fail of US law system. Hope people will notice it in time.

He hasn't been sentenced yet. How can it fail if it hasn't had an opportunity to act?


since he's in jail for 7months allrdy? without a trial, or actual proof..
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Graviton
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia146 Posts
April 24 2012 08:56 GMT
#42
On April 24 2012 17:54 McDutch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 17:53 Graviton wrote:
On April 24 2012 17:52 DidYuhim wrote:
This is just a typical fail of US law system. Hope people will notice it in time.

He hasn't been sentenced yet. How can it fail if it hasn't had an opportunity to act?


since he's in jail for 7months allrdy? without a trial, or actual proof..

Except there has been a trail, which is currently ongoing, and that's why he is in prison.
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
April 24 2012 08:56 GMT
#43
On April 24 2012 17:50 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:
My dad was like, Only in america.. It's ridiculous that they can convict someone with this little proof. And no one except the accused was hurt...

Someone actually had their toe run over, I would count that as being hurt...
Avean
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Norway449 Posts
April 24 2012 08:58 GMT
#44
Its not 35 years, its up to 5 years But yeah, its crazy anyways.
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 08:58:18
April 24 2012 08:58 GMT
#45
On April 24 2012 17:42 Graviton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 17:38 Forumite wrote:
On April 24 2012 17:37 Graviton wrote:
a crowd surrounded the car
On this day, the annual music festival was going on in Winslow
It turns out that the angry witnesses are all related or friends


Yeah, besides this story's obvious bias, the situation seems to be extremely unlikely. Going to need some more sources for this to be considered an accuarte representation of events.

Apart from a norwegian newspaper, what kind of source do you want?

Any other source. This piece omits a huge amount of the information required to make a judgement.

I´ve been trying to find another source, there isn´t one. Only the norwegian newspaper, and a thread on facebook apparently, say anything about this.
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Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
April 24 2012 08:58 GMT
#46
On April 24 2012 17:34 obesechicken13 wrote:
Durh...

Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 16:55 qwertzi wrote:
i understand that people are stupid and shit, but wouldnt at least a judge put an end to this nonsense?

Yep. The judges that deal with these cases shouldn't be stupid. Unfortunately the jury might be.


I didn't look too deeply into it, but from what I understand he's already awaiting sentencing? So that means he's already been found guilty o.o
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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10496 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 09:00:38
April 24 2012 08:58 GMT
#47
On April 24 2012 17:17 Tobberoth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 17:05 sc14s wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:49 Tobberoth wrote:
Cuz this is MY united states of facism. DIDIDIDIDIDI DODODODO DIDIDIDIDIDI.

EDIT: Seriously though, some US souce on this would be preferable since this could be horribly baised.

can we stop with the retarded country bashing already? seriously its getting a bit out of hand when anything that happens in the usa its "herpa derp derp USA omgawd derp herp!" I don't bash a country for any single thing they do.. obviously small happenings in one part of a country are not interelated with the rest of the country and its population.

1. It was a joke man, calm down.
2. The reason why there's a lot of USA bashing is not, as you might think, because europeans like to nitpick some rare isolated events. It's because stuff such as this actually comes up so ridiculously often, all over the US. Yeah, it might be a very bad representation, but then again, we know a lot about your political system etc. The reason you're not picking on Sweden, for example, is because you probably don't know too much about Sweden, we aren't in the spotlight like the US. That's simply the downside of being a superpower, everyone has their eyes on the US.


No, there is a lot of US bashing because the media sucks and there is a lot of gullible people on the internet and TL that will take everything they read at face value. Look no farther than this thread and see that over half the comments have made a judgement without hearing both sides of the story. I could probably get most of them to sign a petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide, that terrible chemical that can kill you if you inhale it, aka water. I could easily link to a half dozen threads of misleading or false OPs followed by typical US bashing.
appletree
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark109 Posts
April 24 2012 08:58 GMT
#48
On April 24 2012 17:53 Graviton wrote:
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On April 24 2012 17:52 DidYuhim wrote:
This is just a typical fail of US law system. Hope people will notice it in time.

He hasn't been sentenced yet. How can it fail if it hasn't had an opportunity to act?


No, he hasn't been sentenced yet, but hes spent 6 months in jail, most of it in isolation..
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Sprungjeezy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1313 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 09:16:37
April 24 2012 09:08 GMT
#49
Are you sure this isn't part of a book? Honestly, do people know what they're reading is not fact, but merely story telling? Now had there been a video showing his first person view as well as a street view of the entire day, maybe I could believe it, but seriously the way this "news article" is written is absurd. I have no opinion on whether or not hes guilty of anything, but to get all hot and bothered because of something written this way is really quite silly.


On April 24 2012 18:10 Rawenkeke wrote:
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On April 24 2012 17:53 Graviton wrote:
On April 24 2012 17:52 DidYuhim wrote:
This is just a typical fail of US law system. Hope people will notice it in time.

He hasn't been sentenced yet. How can it fail if it hasn't had an opportunity to act?



It has failed so many times before, over and over again, the middle east probably has a better law system than usa


Lol, what is considered better? If the formula for finding "better" is x amount of trial stories that make it to the media and are shown in a bad light divided by the total number of trial stories that make it to the media, then perhaps yes by that formula the USA may have a lesser system than the middle east. It truly is silly to argue about whether or not our system is flawed, but trying to quantify how flawed compared to others using a far far more flawed logic of "I keep hearing about your screw ups, but never about things going well, clearly you ONLY have screw ups, god you're awful" is not only meaningless, but quite stupid.

But all Americans are overweight, racist, ignorant, retarded assholes and there is nothing I can do about it.
Rawenkeke
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway350 Posts
April 24 2012 09:10 GMT
#50
On April 24 2012 17:53 Graviton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 17:52 DidYuhim wrote:
This is just a typical fail of US law system. Hope people will notice it in time.

He hasn't been sentenced yet. How can it fail if it hasn't had an opportunity to act?



It has failed so many times before, over and over again, the middle east probably has a better law system than usa
Graviton
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia146 Posts
April 24 2012 09:10 GMT
#51
On April 24 2012 17:58 appletree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 17:53 Graviton wrote:
On April 24 2012 17:52 DidYuhim wrote:
This is just a typical fail of US law system. Hope people will notice it in time.

He hasn't been sentenced yet. How can it fail if it hasn't had an opportunity to act?


No, he hasn't been sentenced yet, but hes spent 6 months in jail, most of it in isolation..

That's what happens when someone is not granted bail.
TyrantPotato
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1541 Posts
April 24 2012 09:14 GMT
#52
my mom ran over my toe accidently once.

i think im going to sue the council for not making the roads wide enough.
Forever ZeNEX.
screamingpalm
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1527 Posts
April 24 2012 09:18 GMT
#53
I've been unable to find any additional info on the web, but I did see court documents available for the assault in Chicago, so no... I don't think this is part of a book lol. I'd like more info too, but I don't see how some of you find this so unbelievable- funny talking foreigner in the wrong place at the wrong time. Hell of a bad day for sure... I've had some like that (not nearly as bad fortunately!).


It turns out that the angry witnesses are all related or friends


I couldn't help but laugh at that part.
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NeWeNiyaLord
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Norway2474 Posts
April 24 2012 09:19 GMT
#54
On April 24 2012 17:58 Avean wrote:
Its not 35 years, its up to 5 years But yeah, its crazy anyways.

No, it's minimum 5 years. Up to 35..
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HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
April 24 2012 09:23 GMT
#55
Is being physically assaulted not enough to grant the right to use lethal power in that state?
I´m sure you should atleast have the right to flee?

Mobbing bad drivers sounds awesome though, no need for traffic police ever again.
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dpurple
Profile Joined November 2010
Turkmenistan592 Posts
April 24 2012 09:24 GMT
#56
Im only surprised the angry mob didnt shoot him. If people would just carry guns like they should maybe that womans toe would have been unhurt.
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
April 24 2012 09:24 GMT
#57
Don't want to be a dick but I'm curious. Could the story of the Norwegian psycho from months before had any influence on this?
Rillanon.au
UisTehSux
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States693 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 09:25:04
April 24 2012 09:24 GMT
#58
I wish I didn't live in the United States, maybe then I can live in this utopia that people call 'the outside world'. Where everybody is a super model, morally perfect, shits rainbows and pisses excellence.
I underestimated that boy. No... it was not the boy I underestimated, it was the Triforce of Courage.
appletree
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark109 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 17:46:01
April 24 2012 09:26 GMT
#59
On April 24 2012 18:10 Graviton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 17:58 appletree wrote:
On April 24 2012 17:53 Graviton wrote:
On April 24 2012 17:52 DidYuhim wrote:
This is just a typical fail of US law system. Hope people will notice it in time.

He hasn't been sentenced yet. How can it fail if it hasn't had an opportunity to act?


No, he hasn't been sentenced yet, but hes spent 6 months in jail, most of it in isolation..

That's what happens when someone is not granted bail.


You can't be granted bail, when you have already been convicted of the first sentence, Thus why I don't understand him being in isolation, just because hes got an ongoing trial.
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HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 09:31:42
April 24 2012 09:27 GMT
#60
On April 24 2012 18:24 haduken wrote:
Don't want to be a dick but I'm curious. Could the story of the Norwegian psycho from months before had any influence on this?


Consider the possibility of having a townful of Americans capable of recognizing a Norwegian person.
Unless outsiders need to use an armpatch or something there.

Or are you implying that the harshness of the sentence has something to do with where the person is from?
No way, maybe in a lesser land but certainly not in the U.S.A
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ZergOwaR
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway280 Posts
April 24 2012 09:28 GMT
#61
On April 24 2012 17:58 BlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 17:17 Tobberoth wrote:
On April 24 2012 17:05 sc14s wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:49 Tobberoth wrote:
Cuz this is MY united states of facism. DIDIDIDIDIDI DODODODO DIDIDIDIDIDI.

EDIT: Seriously though, some US souce on this would be preferable since this could be horribly baised.

can we stop with the retarded country bashing already? seriously its getting a bit out of hand when anything that happens in the usa its "herpa derp derp USA omgawd derp herp!" I don't bash a country for any single thing they do.. obviously small happenings in one part of a country are not interelated with the rest of the country and its population.

1. It was a joke man, calm down.
2. The reason why there's a lot of USA bashing is not, as you might think, because europeans like to nitpick some rare isolated events. It's because stuff such as this actually comes up so ridiculously often, all over the US. Yeah, it might be a very bad representation, but then again, we know a lot about your political system etc. The reason you're not picking on Sweden, for example, is because you probably don't know too much about Sweden, we aren't in the spotlight like the US. That's simply the downside of being a superpower, everyone has their eyes on the US.


No, there is a lot of US bashing because the media sucks and there is a lot of gullible people on the internet and TL that will take everything they read at face value. Look no farther than this thread and see that over half the comments have made a judgement without hearing both sides of the story. I could probably get most of them to sign a petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide, that terrible chemical that can kill you if you inhale it, aka water. I could easily link to a half dozen threads of misleading or false OPs followed by typical US bashing.


did you watch penn & teller bullshit by any chance?

true there's a lot of bashing of the US, even in this thread..
but there are also a real concern behind this..
The kid is in jail (seen in the interview), he called 911 himself, for getting his nose broken (video, soundclip from the 911 call)

I dont care what country this happened in.. if this side of the case is more true than the other side.. this is shit wherever it happens
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ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2750 Posts
April 24 2012 09:30 GMT
#62
this is crazy... poor guy.
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 09:32:03
April 24 2012 09:31 GMT
#63
On April 24 2012 17:58 BlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 17:17 Tobberoth wrote:
On April 24 2012 17:05 sc14s wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:49 Tobberoth wrote:
Cuz this is MY united states of facism. DIDIDIDIDIDI DODODODO DIDIDIDIDIDI.

EDIT: Seriously though, some US souce on this would be preferable since this could be horribly baised.

can we stop with the retarded country bashing already? seriously its getting a bit out of hand when anything that happens in the usa its "herpa derp derp USA omgawd derp herp!" I don't bash a country for any single thing they do.. obviously small happenings in one part of a country are not interelated with the rest of the country and its population.

1. It was a joke man, calm down.
2. The reason why there's a lot of USA bashing is not, as you might think, because europeans like to nitpick some rare isolated events. It's because stuff such as this actually comes up so ridiculously often, all over the US. Yeah, it might be a very bad representation, but then again, we know a lot about your political system etc. The reason you're not picking on Sweden, for example, is because you probably don't know too much about Sweden, we aren't in the spotlight like the US. That's simply the downside of being a superpower, everyone has their eyes on the US.


No, there is a lot of US bashing because the media sucks and there is a lot of gullible people on the internet and TL that will take everything they read at face value. Look no farther than this thread and see that over half the comments have made a judgement without hearing both sides of the story. I could probably get most of them to sign a petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide, that terrible chemical that can kill you if you inhale it, aka water. I could easily link to a half dozen threads of misleading or false OPs followed by typical US bashing.

There's truth in what you say, but media distrortion doesn't really matter in a lot of cases where it's clearcut. Such as SOPA and PITA, such as how ridiculous most republican candidates are, such as the almost daily news of police brutality, such as the high amount of school shootings. There's just so many issues coming up constantly. Add to that a media which wants to paint it worse than it is, coupled with weak support for american wars, and it's a no-brainer that USA bashing becomes prominent when stuff like this surfaces.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10496 Posts
April 24 2012 09:32 GMT
#64
On April 24 2012 18:28 ZergOwaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 17:58 BlackJack wrote:
On April 24 2012 17:17 Tobberoth wrote:
On April 24 2012 17:05 sc14s wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:49 Tobberoth wrote:
Cuz this is MY united states of facism. DIDIDIDIDIDI DODODODO DIDIDIDIDIDI.

EDIT: Seriously though, some US souce on this would be preferable since this could be horribly baised.

can we stop with the retarded country bashing already? seriously its getting a bit out of hand when anything that happens in the usa its "herpa derp derp USA omgawd derp herp!" I don't bash a country for any single thing they do.. obviously small happenings in one part of a country are not interelated with the rest of the country and its population.

1. It was a joke man, calm down.
2. The reason why there's a lot of USA bashing is not, as you might think, because europeans like to nitpick some rare isolated events. It's because stuff such as this actually comes up so ridiculously often, all over the US. Yeah, it might be a very bad representation, but then again, we know a lot about your political system etc. The reason you're not picking on Sweden, for example, is because you probably don't know too much about Sweden, we aren't in the spotlight like the US. That's simply the downside of being a superpower, everyone has their eyes on the US.


No, there is a lot of US bashing because the media sucks and there is a lot of gullible people on the internet and TL that will take everything they read at face value. Look no farther than this thread and see that over half the comments have made a judgement without hearing both sides of the story. I could probably get most of them to sign a petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide, that terrible chemical that can kill you if you inhale it, aka water. I could easily link to a half dozen threads of misleading or false OPs followed by typical US bashing.


did you watch penn & teller bullshit by any chance?

true there's a lot of bashing of the US, even in this thread..
but there are also a real concern behind this..
The kid is in jail (seen in the interview), he called 911 himself, for getting his nose broken (video, soundclip from the 911 call)

I dont care what country this happened in.. if this side of the case is more true than the other side.. this is shit wherever it happens


I saw them do that hoax but I've heard of it before then. A 6th grade substitute teacher of mine did it to our class.
Pusekatten
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway234 Posts
April 24 2012 09:33 GMT
#65
If he really tried to kill or assault those seven people, why would he call 911?
Pillage
Profile Joined July 2011
United States804 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 09:35:49
April 24 2012 09:33 GMT
#66
On April 24 2012 17:17 Tobberoth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 17:05 sc14s wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:49 Tobberoth wrote:
Cuz this is MY united states of facism. DIDIDIDIDIDI DODODODO DIDIDIDIDIDI.

EDIT: Seriously though, some US souce on this would be preferable since this could be horribly baised.

can we stop with the retarded country bashing already? seriously its getting a bit out of hand when anything that happens in the usa its "herpa derp derp USA omgawd derp herp!" I don't bash a country for any single thing they do.. obviously small happenings in one part of a country are not interelated with the rest of the country and its population.

1. It was a joke man, calm down.
2. The reason why there's a lot of USA bashing is not, as you might think, because europeans like to nitpick some rare isolated events. It's because stuff such as this actually comes up so ridiculously often, all over the US. Yeah, it might be a very bad representation, but then again, we know a lot about your political system etc. The reason you're not picking on Sweden, for example, is because you probably don't know too much about Sweden, we aren't in the spotlight like the US. That's simply the downside of being a superpower, everyone has their eyes on the US.


1. Don't go into comedy.
2. No one over here is pretending to be perfect. We're a country of 300 million people to 9.5 million on your end. Mistakes are going to be made, but that's why we have an appeal system to help root out shitty decisions made by a select judge and jury. Even though all eyes are on us, your incessant, condescending scrutiny is not welcome, and it makes you look like the people you despise the most. I could find a million things that I don't like about Sweden from over here, I could page through all of your questionable laws, legal decisions, and bureaucratic policy to start a massive uproar about how your country is shitty and I don't like it. I can throw around pejorative stereotypes at will, humiliating and incensing you to disgust and rage, just as so many of you lot do with us.

However I'm not going to. Know why? Here's why: because I'm not someone who finds joy in putting down the cultures of our allies and scrutinizing the operations of their due process and saying to myself "That's stupid" in the tone of a spoiled child whenever I find something I don't quite understand. I'm not someone who perpetually feels the urge to bellow out why "I'm right, and you're an idiot for even considering something else" whenever a complicated issue such as the case above is brought up.

Maybe you should examine what you said, and how it impacts other reasonable people that post in threads like this. Posts like yours only make these threads a cesspool of flaming where nothing meaningful is discussed and people waste their time reading your drivel instead of actually figuring out what happened, in order to modify or form their own opinions regarding the situation. People like you are the reason why the general forum is deteriorating so rapidly in quality. Don't be a part of the problem.
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OrjaN
Profile Joined January 2012
Norway12 Posts
April 24 2012 09:33 GMT
#67
The story clearly states the man already has been found guilty, and is awaiting the sentence today. This without actual proof, beyond what the involved parties themselves claim to be true. If anything, this just goes to show how ridiculously inadequate the use of the jury system can be. How a case like this is deemed fit to be decided by a "jury of one's peers" with such delicate state of evidence, is beyond me. I honestly can't comprehend how anyone can claim to have proven intention to seriously injure of kill here, the whole thing seems just ridiculous.
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
April 24 2012 09:45 GMT
#68
Nothing about this sounds right. Happened 7 months ago, never a word heard about it, or trace. Then suddenly we have inside access from some Norwegian news site. Surely Stephen Colbert would have entertained this story.
kyllinghest
Profile Joined December 2011
Norway1607 Posts
April 24 2012 09:47 GMT
#69
On April 24 2012 18:33 Pusekatten wrote:
If he really tried to kill or assault those seven people, why would he call 911?

Indeed. And why would he try to kill people in a small town in which he had only been for six and a half minute? Why didn't the police assign an investigator until five weeks after the incident?
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screamingpalm
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1527 Posts
April 24 2012 09:58 GMT
#70
On April 24 2012 18:45 Irave wrote:
Nothing about this sounds right. Happened 7 months ago, never a word heard about it, or trace. Then suddenly we have inside access from some Norwegian news site. Surely Stephen Colbert would have entertained this story.


That's nothing new. Even bigger stories get ignored by the MSM. For example, ever hear about the huge '08 disaster at the coal plant in Tenn? "The largest environmental disaster of its kind" and I could only get info at the time from independent sources. Zero coverage on the networks.

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PlaGuE_R
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
France1151 Posts
April 24 2012 10:06 GMT
#71
My mom ran over my entire foot with a Mercedes S500. Thats a ton of car on my foot, i didn't get any broken bones, i didn't call the cops to say she committed deadly assault on me. Seriously, sometimes some of the shit you read about America, i'm just sitting here slack jawed, thanking fuck I don't live there anymore.
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Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 10:07:13
April 24 2012 10:06 GMT
#72
On April 24 2012 18:33 Pillage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 17:17 Tobberoth wrote:
On April 24 2012 17:05 sc14s wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:49 Tobberoth wrote:
Cuz this is MY united states of facism. DIDIDIDIDIDI DODODODO DIDIDIDIDIDI.

EDIT: Seriously though, some US souce on this would be preferable since this could be horribly baised.

can we stop with the retarded country bashing already? seriously its getting a bit out of hand when anything that happens in the usa its "herpa derp derp USA omgawd derp herp!" I don't bash a country for any single thing they do.. obviously small happenings in one part of a country are not interelated with the rest of the country and its population.

1. It was a joke man, calm down.
2. The reason why there's a lot of USA bashing is not, as you might think, because europeans like to nitpick some rare isolated events. It's because stuff such as this actually comes up so ridiculously often, all over the US. Yeah, it might be a very bad representation, but then again, we know a lot about your political system etc. The reason you're not picking on Sweden, for example, is because you probably don't know too much about Sweden, we aren't in the spotlight like the US. That's simply the downside of being a superpower, everyone has their eyes on the US.


1. Don't go into comedy.
2. No one over here is pretending to be perfect. We're a country of 300 million people to 9.5 million on your end. Mistakes are going to be made, but that's why we have an appeal system to help root out shitty decisions made by a select judge and jury. Even though all eyes are on us, your incessant, condescending scrutiny is not welcome, and it makes you look like the people you despise the most. I could find a million things that I don't like about Sweden from over here, I could page through all of your questionable laws, legal decisions, and bureaucratic policy to start a massive uproar about how your country is shitty and I don't like it. I can throw around pejorative stereotypes at will, humiliating and incensing you to disgust and rage, just as so many of you lot do with us.

However I'm not going to. Know why? Here's why: because I'm not someone who finds joy in putting down the cultures of our allies and scrutinizing the operations of their due process and saying to myself "That's stupid" in the tone of a spoiled child whenever I find something I don't quite understand. I'm not someone who perpetually feels the urge to bellow out why "I'm right, and you're an idiot for even considering something else" whenever a complicated issue such as the case above is brought up.

Maybe you should examine what you said, and how it impacts other reasonable people that post in threads like this. Posts like yours only make these threads a cesspool of flaming where nothing meaningful is discussed and people waste their time reading your drivel instead of actually figuring out what happened, in order to modify or form their own opinions regarding the situation. People like you are the reason why the general forum is deteriorating so rapidly in quality. Don't be a part of the problem.

How is this case a complicated issue? Unless the article is baised and incorrect to a very high degree, it's complitely ridiculous, he's being held for 6 months over basically nothing. If the same thing happened in Sweden, not only would I not be surprised in you shitstorming over it, I would be right next to you shit storming over it, and so would the rest of the majority of the swedish population.
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
April 24 2012 10:13 GMT
#73
Stuff like this happens way too often in the US.
UisTehSux
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States693 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 10:20:44
April 24 2012 10:18 GMT
#74
After many studies and false-arrest, American scientist have snapped a photo of what they believe is a world outside of the United States:

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Sprungjeezy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1313 Posts
April 24 2012 10:19 GMT
#75
On April 24 2012 19:06 PlaGuE_R wrote:
My mom ran over my entire foot with a Mercedes S500. Thats a ton of car on my foot, i didn't get any broken bones, i didn't call the cops to say she committed deadly assault on me. Seriously, sometimes some of the shit you read about America, i'm just sitting here slack jawed, thanking fuck I don't live there anymore.


Reading comprehension must not have been your strong point in school, let me help. The deadly assault I assume they are referring to may involve a crowd of people that he was driving through, probably more directly related to the part "There is a woman and her kids inside the hot dog stand, the car never made any contact with them or the stand. Many of the witnessess thinks this is deadly dangerous driving."

That being said, this is an awful awful awful article, clearly written with an agenda and it's honestly sad how many people are reading far too much into this. The guy screwed up, and his screw ups compounded and eventually lead to criminal charges. Now I can't argue whether or not they are deserved, I can argue that this article shows about 60% of the situation and that 60% is colored in a way that is meant to upset people. It's the internet (people lie, people exaggerate, people inflate) not to mention this is apparently translated.
epoc
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland1190 Posts
April 24 2012 10:19 GMT
#76
I dont know this is even possible
freewareplayer
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany403 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 10:24:47
April 24 2012 10:21 GMT
#77
On April 24 2012 18:33 Pillage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 17:17 Tobberoth wrote:
On April 24 2012 17:05 sc14s wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:49 Tobberoth wrote:
Cuz this is MY united states of facism. DIDIDIDIDIDI DODODODO DIDIDIDIDIDI.

EDIT: Seriously though, some US souce on this would be preferable since this could be horribly baised.

can we stop with the retarded country bashing already? seriously its getting a bit out of hand when anything that happens in the usa its "herpa derp derp USA omgawd derp herp!" I don't bash a country for any single thing they do.. obviously small happenings in one part of a country are not interelated with the rest of the country and its population.

1. It was a joke man, calm down.
2. The reason why there's a lot of USA bashing is not, as you might think, because europeans like to nitpick some rare isolated events. It's because stuff such as this actually comes up so ridiculously often, all over the US. Yeah, it might be a very bad representation, but then again, we know a lot about your political system etc. The reason you're not picking on Sweden, for example, is because you probably don't know too much about Sweden, we aren't in the spotlight like the US. That's simply the downside of being a superpower, everyone has their eyes on the US.



Maybe you should examine what you said, and how it impacts other reasonable people that post in threads like this. Posts like yours only make these threads a cesspool of flaming where nothing meaningful is discussed


Funny talking about reasonable in this context.

The meaningfull thing being discussed is how it can be that there seems to be such a high amount of "unreasonable" people making law decisions in the U.S.. At least compared to any other first world country thats pretty much a joke, not even this case in particular, cause we dont know both sides yet, but theres enough cases that makes my want to gauge my eyes out. Stuff like this is more or less unimagable where im from, and in some severe cases it looks nothing short of lynching with no sense of justice or law whatsoever. If stuff like that happens more than once, you dont need to be suprised that people are willing to believe a story like this while they only heard one side of it.

Also people need to ease up on both "country bashing" but also on abusing the term "country bashing". If a civilian does something stupid in the US ( insert any other country if you like) it has nothing to do with the United States as a whole.
If the law system of the USA does retarded stuff, then theres nothing wrong with saying that in that situation the STATE deserves to be critised. Whether you want to call it "critising" or "bashing" is up to you.

I would happily and willingy bash my own country if something like that would happen here tomorrow.
treekiller
Profile Joined July 2010
United States236 Posts
April 24 2012 10:24 GMT
#78
Driving the wrong way on a oneway street?

Panics and trys to drive though a crowd of people?

I know euros are probably not used to driving as much or under the same conditions as we do in America, but you could very well kill someone. If anything good comes out of this, I hope our European friends will take more time to learn about driving in America before they just get behind the wheel.

As for the punishment, I doubt he will get 35 years in jail. In America, you are usually charged with a more serious crime, to give an incentive to plead to a lesser charge. Even the greater charge here seems to be 5 years. Thats why in the George Zimmerman case they charged him with 2nd degree murder. they hope he will plead guilty to manslaughter. They dont actually think he should be charged with murder.



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Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
April 24 2012 10:25 GMT
#79
On April 24 2012 16:52 BlackJack wrote:
Was that story really on the news? They don't even give a last name for the guy or any cited facts. I find it hard to believe that any news agency would publish such a story. Looks more like some guy's blog post.


Dunno atleast in my country you don't publish names of unsentenced suspects. I'm pretty sure it's illegal.
For instance when a famous murder happens, the first suspect is going to have his name ruined forever; makes sense like that imo.
I recall when some crazy person killed our foreign minister they called the suspect 'the 33 year old' until he was convicted.
This is probably not a fake.
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freewareplayer
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany403 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 10:31:52
April 24 2012 10:28 GMT
#80
On April 24 2012 19:24 treekiller wrote:
Driving the wrong way on a oneway street?

Panics and trys to drive though a crowd of people?

I know euros are probably not used to driving as much or under the same conditions as we do in America, but you could very well kill someone. If anything good comes out of this, I hope our European friends will take more time to learn about driving in America before they just get behind the wheel.



If your way of driving includes civilians breaking every persons nose that took a wrong turn, then i hope to god that no European will learn that and come back here. Whoever learns that, you can keep them.
aebriol
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway2066 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 10:31:39
April 24 2012 10:30 GMT
#81
I am Norwegian.

I think it sounds horribly biased.

He was driving a car, ran over some people, barely missed others, and all the witnesses are against him.

Just doesn't sound very ... reliable ... the way he presents it.

And the newspaper here didn't bother checking with any other parties in the case ...

Also ... student? 32 year old guy I think ...

The language used is only meant to gain sympathy, not present the case unbiased. I'd wager if you asked the people that were hurt, they would have a different story to tell.
Pillage
Profile Joined July 2011
United States804 Posts
April 24 2012 10:31 GMT
#82
On April 24 2012 19:06 Tobberoth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 18:33 Pillage wrote:
On April 24 2012 17:17 Tobberoth wrote:
On April 24 2012 17:05 sc14s wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:49 Tobberoth wrote:
Cuz this is MY united states of facism. DIDIDIDIDIDI DODODODO DIDIDIDIDIDI.

EDIT: Seriously though, some US souce on this would be preferable since this could be horribly baised.

can we stop with the retarded country bashing already? seriously its getting a bit out of hand when anything that happens in the usa its "herpa derp derp USA omgawd derp herp!" I don't bash a country for any single thing they do.. obviously small happenings in one part of a country are not interelated with the rest of the country and its population.

1. It was a joke man, calm down.
2. The reason why there's a lot of USA bashing is not, as you might think, because europeans like to nitpick some rare isolated events. It's because stuff such as this actually comes up so ridiculously often, all over the US. Yeah, it might be a very bad representation, but then again, we know a lot about your political system etc. The reason you're not picking on Sweden, for example, is because you probably don't know too much about Sweden, we aren't in the spotlight like the US. That's simply the downside of being a superpower, everyone has their eyes on the US.


1. Don't go into comedy.
2. No one over here is pretending to be perfect. We're a country of 300 million people to 9.5 million on your end. Mistakes are going to be made, but that's why we have an appeal system to help root out shitty decisions made by a select judge and jury. Even though all eyes are on us, your incessant, condescending scrutiny is not welcome, and it makes you look like the people you despise the most. I could find a million things that I don't like about Sweden from over here, I could page through all of your questionable laws, legal decisions, and bureaucratic policy to start a massive uproar about how your country is shitty and I don't like it. I can throw around pejorative stereotypes at will, humiliating and incensing you to disgust and rage, just as so many of you lot do with us.

However I'm not going to. Know why? Here's why: because I'm not someone who finds joy in putting down the cultures of our allies and scrutinizing the operations of their due process and saying to myself "That's stupid" in the tone of a spoiled child whenever I find something I don't quite understand. I'm not someone who perpetually feels the urge to bellow out why "I'm right, and you're an idiot for even considering something else" whenever a complicated issue such as the case above is brought up.

Maybe you should examine what you said, and how it impacts other reasonable people that post in threads like this. Posts like yours only make these threads a cesspool of flaming where nothing meaningful is discussed and people waste their time reading your drivel instead of actually figuring out what happened, in order to modify or form their own opinions regarding the situation. People like you are the reason why the general forum is deteriorating so rapidly in quality. Don't be a part of the problem.

How is this case a complicated issue? Unless the article is baised and incorrect to a very high degree, it's complitely ridiculous, he's being held for 6 months over basically nothing. If the same thing happened in Sweden, not only would I not be surprised in you shitstorming over it, I would be right next to you shit storming over it, and so would the rest of the majority of the swedish population.


How Isn't this complicated? We have so many pieces of critical information that we do not know that are absolutely required for establishing certain conditions for imprisonment / accquital. That doesn't exactly make the decision black and white for us outside of the case. Looking at the article itself (which is heinously written in my opinion) we can deduce that there were a lot of uncommon, questionable things that happened that day. Sure the guy got punched in the face, but does that mean he can hit other bystanders with the car in an attempt to get away? I'm not sure. It depends on the details, of which we don't have whatsoever. To make any judgments off an article that is incomplete and has poor writing quality is simply a stupid decision that caves into emotional impulses.
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treekiller
Profile Joined July 2010
United States236 Posts
April 24 2012 10:32 GMT
#83
Whoever punched that man in the face was wrong. But you can understand how a man would want to punch someone if he thinks a car almost just killed his wife and child. But you have to understand that a car is just as dangerous as any weapon. Being a good driver involves remaining calm when in a bad situation.
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Sprungjeezy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1313 Posts
April 24 2012 10:33 GMT
#84
On April 24 2012 19:28 freewareplayer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 19:24 treekiller wrote:
Driving the wrong way on a oneway street?

Panics and trys to drive though a crowd of people?

I know euros are probably not used to driving as much or under the same conditions as we do in America, but you could very well kill someone. If anything good comes out of this, I hope our European friends will take more time to learn about driving in America before they just get behind the wheel.



If your way of driving includes civilians breaking every persons nose that took a wrong turn, then i hope to god that no European will take learn that and come back here. Whoever learns that, you can keep them.


If your driving includes driving into mobs of civilians then I hope to god no Europeans comes to the US and runs over me at my family reunion.
loladin
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway184 Posts
April 24 2012 10:35 GMT
#85
Why are people saying he's a kid? He's 32! Why did he continue to drive down a one way street filled with people yelling at him? The VG article is pretty biased, they make it sound like he's just some hapless norwegian that doesn't know any better. If you manage to hit pedestrians with your car (6 of them) you've done something fucking stupid and should be held accountable.

That said, getting convicted of aggrevated assult with a deadly weapon is a joke. Hopefully for him, he'll be able to serve his sentence in Norway.
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NeWeNiyaLord
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Norway2474 Posts
April 24 2012 10:35 GMT
#86
On April 24 2012 19:24 treekiller wrote:
Driving the wrong way on a oneway street?

Panics and trys to drive though a crowd of people?

I know euros are probably not used to driving as much or under the same conditions as we do in America, but you could very well kill someone. If anything good comes out of this, I hope our European friends will take more time to learn about driving in America before they just get behind the wheel.

As for the punishment, I doubt he will get 35 years in jail. In America, you are usually charged with a more serious crime, to give an incentive to plead to a lesser charge. Even the greater charge here seems to be 5 years. Thats why in the George Zimmerman case they charged him with 2nd degree murder. they hope he will plead guilty to manslaughter. They dont actually think he should be charged with murder.




I dont know exactly what you mean, but if you mean what I think you mean. Your pretty ignorant. How is the roads in US different from EU? Don't think we have 1 way streets? The roads in Norway is pretty known for being hard to comprehend because of the unnecessary strict rules along with bad road construction. And in any case. If I'd driven wrong. And a villager had punched me, I'd call 911 and try to get out of there asap. Don't want to risk being killed in the states for driving the wrong way. Never know how far the guy who hit what more he could do. If he hits for such a minor offence.
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feanor1
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1899 Posts
April 24 2012 10:36 GMT
#87
On April 24 2012 19:25 Euronyme wrote:
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On April 24 2012 16:52 BlackJack wrote:
Was that story really on the news? They don't even give a last name for the guy or any cited facts. I find it hard to believe that any news agency would publish such a story. Looks more like some guy's blog post.


Dunno atleast in my country you don't publish names of unsentenced suspects. I'm pretty sure it's illegal.
For instance when a famous murder happens, the first suspect is going to have his name ruined forever; makes sense like that imo.
I recall when some crazy person killed our foreign minister they called the suspect 'the 33 year old' until he was convicted.
This is probably not a fake.

The US publishes names if they are over 18
freewareplayer
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany403 Posts
April 24 2012 10:39 GMT
#88
On April 24 2012 19:31 Pillage wrote:
Sure the guy got punched in the face, but does that mean he can hit other bystanders with the car in an attempt to get away? I'm not sure. It depends on the details, of which we don't have whatsoever. To make any judgments off an article that is incomplete and has poor writing quality is simply a stupid decision that caves into emotional impulses.


If an angry mob assaults you and breaks your nose, you sure as hell wouldnt just stay there to make sure they break some more of your bones. You would get the hell out of there, its the right logical decision, but in that sitation you dont act on logic anway. You bloody flee, thats an instinct.

Shooting first if you feel threatend is all right, but fleeing in panic after being assaulted isnt? What the fuck is wrong with people....
dpurple
Profile Joined November 2010
Turkmenistan592 Posts
April 24 2012 10:39 GMT
#89
On April 24 2012 19:36 feanor1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 19:25 Euronyme wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:52 BlackJack wrote:
Was that story really on the news? They don't even give a last name for the guy or any cited facts. I find it hard to believe that any news agency would publish such a story. Looks more like some guy's blog post.


Dunno atleast in my country you don't publish names of unsentenced suspects. I'm pretty sure it's illegal.
For instance when a famous murder happens, the first suspect is going to have his name ruined forever; makes sense like that imo.
I recall when some crazy person killed our foreign minister they called the suspect 'the 33 year old' until he was convicted.
This is probably not a fake.

The US publishes names if they are over 18


Yea, name and picture of the "murderer". Then when hes found innocent....nothing. Good stuff.
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5595 Posts
April 24 2012 10:40 GMT
#90
Jup, that is one severely fucked up legal system.
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treekiller
Profile Joined July 2010
United States236 Posts
April 24 2012 10:41 GMT
#91
On April 24 2012 19:35 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 19:24 treekiller wrote:
Driving the wrong way on a oneway street?

Panics and trys to drive though a crowd of people?

I know euros are probably not used to driving as much or under the same conditions as we do in America, but you could very well kill someone. If anything good comes out of this, I hope our European friends will take more time to learn about driving in America before they just get behind the wheel.

As for the punishment, I doubt he will get 35 years in jail. In America, you are usually charged with a more serious crime, to give an incentive to plead to a lesser charge. Even the greater charge here seems to be 5 years. Thats why in the George Zimmerman case they charged him with 2nd degree murder. they hope he will plead guilty to manslaughter. They dont actually think he should be charged with murder.




I dont know exactly what you mean, but if you mean what I think you mean. Your pretty ignorant. How is the roads in US different from EU? Don't think we have 1 way streets? The roads in Norway is pretty known for being hard to comprehend because of the unnecessary strict rules along with bad road construction. And in any case. If I'd driven wrong. And a villager had punched me, I'd call 911 and try to get out of there asap. Don't want to risk being killed in the states for driving the wrong way. Never know how far the guy who hit what more he could do. If he hits for such a minor offence.


I doubt this incident would have happened had the man been in his native country. On the other hand, I can imagine myself being a bad driver if I was in unfamiliar territory, such as Norway. The takeawy is to familiarize yourself before you go to a new place.
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Vetrocide
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway600 Posts
April 24 2012 10:45 GMT
#92
hopefully he'll be shipped back to norway, when these things happen norway send a lot of diplomats etc to try and get them home so they can serve their time here, even though he shouldn't server time at all in my opinion.
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UisTehSux
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States693 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 10:47:16
April 24 2012 10:46 GMT
#93
On April 24 2012 19:40 Elroi wrote:
Jup, that is one severely fucked up legal system.


Please stop acting like every place outside of the United States is a Utopia.

http://justice4assange.com/Rule-of-Law.html

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Unreliablex
Profile Joined October 2011
141 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 10:53:44
April 24 2012 10:51 GMT
#94
On April 24 2012 16:57 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 16:47 screamingpalm wrote:
Any source for this?


No

It's an extremely long pile of horseshit. At best, most of it is false and spun heavily.



Must suck to be wrong.

I just read this on one of Norways biggest newspapers internettpage, and it disgusted me like fuck.

I do not understand how this is possible, at all. The normal thing to do if someone drives in the wrong direction with the car is to tell them to turn around, not to act like inconsiderate idiots.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 24 2012 10:52 GMT
#95
On April 24 2012 19:24 treekiller wrote:
Driving the wrong way on a oneway street?

Panics and trys to drive though a crowd of people?

I know euros are probably not used to driving as much or under the same conditions as we do in America, but you could very well kill someone. If anything good comes out of this, I hope our European friends will take more time to learn about driving in America before they just get behind the wheel.

As for the punishment, I doubt he will get 35 years in jail. In America, you are usually charged with a more serious crime, to give an incentive to plead to a lesser charge. Even the greater charge here seems to be 5 years. Thats why in the George Zimmerman case they charged him with 2nd degree murder. they hope he will plead guilty to manslaughter. They dont actually think he should be charged with murder.





I didn't know driving in USA includes the fact that if you do something wrong you get surrounded by people (judging from the article) and get punched in the face.

By using your logic, why was this crowd on the street. People should not walk on the street, they might get driven over.
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Kukaracha
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
France1954 Posts
April 24 2012 10:56 GMT
#96
On April 24 2012 19:28 freewareplayer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 19:24 treekiller wrote:
Driving the wrong way on a oneway street?

Panics and trys to drive though a crowd of people?

I know euros are probably not used to driving as much or under the same conditions as we do in America, but you could very well kill someone. If anything good comes out of this, I hope our European friends will take more time to learn about driving in America before they just get behind the wheel.



If your way of driving includes civilians breaking every persons nose that took a wrong turn, then i hope to god that no European will learn that and come back here. Whoever learns that, you can keep them.


Haha agreed.
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elKaDor
Profile Joined April 2009
Sweden376 Posts
April 24 2012 10:59 GMT
#97
these things can only happen in the U.S

User was warned for this post
UisTehSux
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States693 Posts
April 24 2012 11:03 GMT
#98
On April 24 2012 19:59 elKaDor wrote:
these things can only happen in the U.S


Bad things happen in other places too

. http://justice4assange.com/Rule-of-Law.html
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Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
April 24 2012 11:07 GMT
#99
On April 24 2012 19:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 19:24 treekiller wrote:
Driving the wrong way on a oneway street?

Panics and trys to drive though a crowd of people?

I know euros are probably not used to driving as much or under the same conditions as we do in America, but you could very well kill someone. If anything good comes out of this, I hope our European friends will take more time to learn about driving in America before they just get behind the wheel.

As for the punishment, I doubt he will get 35 years in jail. In America, you are usually charged with a more serious crime, to give an incentive to plead to a lesser charge. Even the greater charge here seems to be 5 years. Thats why in the George Zimmerman case they charged him with 2nd degree murder. they hope he will plead guilty to manslaughter. They dont actually think he should be charged with murder.





I didn't know driving in USA includes the fact that if you do something wrong you get surrounded by people (judging from the article) and get punched in the face.

By using your logic, why was this crowd on the street. People should not walk on the street, they might get driven over.

The guy was driving down a crowded one way street, that was likely blocked off. As you can see in the video they had streets blocked off for their music festival. The crowd was approaching the car to tell this gentleman that he shouldn't be driving like this. Instead he panics, over reacts and sends his car up the curb, where he almost strikes a mans family. This angers the man. Seeing John continuing driving like this sends the upset father in a frenzy. He over reacts by punching John, who in turn doesn't give any more thought to his driving and speeds off hitting a few people.
Unreliablex
Profile Joined October 2011
141 Posts
April 24 2012 11:08 GMT
#100
On April 24 2012 20:03 UisTehSux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 19:59 elKaDor wrote:
these things can only happen in the U.S


Bad things happen in other places too

. http://justice4assange.com/Rule-of-Law.html


Just that it is more common to occure in the US.
UisTehSux
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States693 Posts
April 24 2012 11:10 GMT
#101
On April 24 2012 20:08 Unreliablex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 20:03 UisTehSux wrote:
On April 24 2012 19:59 elKaDor wrote:
these things can only happen in the U.S


Bad things happen in other places too

. http://justice4assange.com/Rule-of-Law.html


Just that it is more common to occure in the US.


He said it only happens here.
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Unreliablex
Profile Joined October 2011
141 Posts
April 24 2012 11:13 GMT
#102
On April 24 2012 20:07 Irave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 19:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 24 2012 19:24 treekiller wrote:
Driving the wrong way on a oneway street?

Panics and trys to drive though a crowd of people?

I know euros are probably not used to driving as much or under the same conditions as we do in America, but you could very well kill someone. If anything good comes out of this, I hope our European friends will take more time to learn about driving in America before they just get behind the wheel.

As for the punishment, I doubt he will get 35 years in jail. In America, you are usually charged with a more serious crime, to give an incentive to plead to a lesser charge. Even the greater charge here seems to be 5 years. Thats why in the George Zimmerman case they charged him with 2nd degree murder. they hope he will plead guilty to manslaughter. They dont actually think he should be charged with murder.





I didn't know driving in USA includes the fact that if you do something wrong you get surrounded by people (judging from the article) and get punched in the face.

By using your logic, why was this crowd on the street. People should not walk on the street, they might get driven over.

The guy was driving down a crowded one way street, that was likely blocked off. As you can see in the video they had streets blocked off for their music festival. The crowd was approaching the car to tell this gentleman that he shouldn't be driving like this. Instead he panics, over reacts and sends his car up the curb, where he almost strikes a mans family. This angers the man. Seeing John continuing driving like this sends the upset father in a frenzy. He over reacts by punching John, who in turn doesn't give any more thought to his driving and speeds off hitting a few people.


I can make stories too!
John and his mother was driving down the road, whilst discussion religion and how great jesus are, when all of a sudden they ended up in the middle of a large crowd of angry americans. John does not understand what their problem is, so he rolls down the window so he can sort out the problem. When he rolls down the window, an angry african american yells "Take this you motherfucker" and hits John on his nose so hard that it gets broken. John gets really scared and gets a bit over protective of his mother and hits reverse and tries to drive away to stop all the trouble. When he finaly gets out of the crowd he calls the cops and calmy tells them what happened.
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
April 24 2012 11:13 GMT
#103
The OP screams of bias.
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aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
April 24 2012 11:13 GMT
#104
This norwegian guy sure is bad at driving.
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CaptainCrush
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States785 Posts
April 24 2012 11:14 GMT
#105
The guy has a record... I dont really believe this article, looks like it was written by a lawyer. I need to see another source on the matter, until then I highly doubt he is the most unlucky person ever.

What was he doing at the school in order to be branded a terrorist anyways? They dont even elaborate on that, most likely becuase he deserved to be kicked out.
Roachu
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden692 Posts
April 24 2012 11:16 GMT
#106
That fucking country never seizes to amaze me...

User was temp banned for this post.
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Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
April 24 2012 11:16 GMT
#107
On April 24 2012 20:13 Unreliablex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 20:07 Irave wrote:
On April 24 2012 19:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 24 2012 19:24 treekiller wrote:
Driving the wrong way on a oneway street?

Panics and trys to drive though a crowd of people?

I know euros are probably not used to driving as much or under the same conditions as we do in America, but you could very well kill someone. If anything good comes out of this, I hope our European friends will take more time to learn about driving in America before they just get behind the wheel.

As for the punishment, I doubt he will get 35 years in jail. In America, you are usually charged with a more serious crime, to give an incentive to plead to a lesser charge. Even the greater charge here seems to be 5 years. Thats why in the George Zimmerman case they charged him with 2nd degree murder. they hope he will plead guilty to manslaughter. They dont actually think he should be charged with murder.





I didn't know driving in USA includes the fact that if you do something wrong you get surrounded by people (judging from the article) and get punched in the face.

By using your logic, why was this crowd on the street. People should not walk on the street, they might get driven over.

The guy was driving down a crowded one way street, that was likely blocked off. As you can see in the video they had streets blocked off for their music festival. The crowd was approaching the car to tell this gentleman that he shouldn't be driving like this. Instead he panics, over reacts and sends his car up the curb, where he almost strikes a mans family. This angers the man. Seeing John continuing driving like this sends the upset father in a frenzy. He over reacts by punching John, who in turn doesn't give any more thought to his driving and speeds off hitting a few people.


I can make stories too!
John and his mother was driving down the road, whilst discussion religion and how great jesus are, when all of a sudden they ended up in the middle of a large crowd of angry americans. John does not understand what their problem is, so he rolls down the window so he can sort out the problem. When he rolls down the window, an angry african american yells "Take this you motherfucker" and hits John on his nose so hard that it gets broken. John gets really scared and gets a bit over protective of his mother and hits reverse and tries to drive away to stop all the trouble. When he finaly gets out of the crowd he calls the cops and calmy tells them what happened.

You already have your over sensationalized story in the form of the newspaper article, nice try though.
UisTehSux
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States693 Posts
April 24 2012 11:18 GMT
#108
On April 24 2012 20:16 Roachu wrote:
That fucking country never seizes to amaze me...


This amazes me.

http://justice4assange.com/Rule-of-Law.html
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Unreliablex
Profile Joined October 2011
141 Posts
April 24 2012 11:19 GMT
#109
On April 24 2012 20:18 UisTehSux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 20:16 Roachu wrote:
That fucking country never seizes to amaze me...


This amazes me.

http://justice4assange.com/Rule-of-Law.html


You've already posted that three times. Can you not get reported for spamming?
UisTehSux
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States693 Posts
April 24 2012 11:21 GMT
#110
On April 24 2012 20:19 Unreliablex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 20:18 UisTehSux wrote:
On April 24 2012 20:16 Roachu wrote:
That fucking country never seizes to amaze me...


This amazes me.

http://justice4assange.com/Rule-of-Law.html


You've already posted that three times. Can you not get reported for spamming?


I just think that people are posting and making comments as if every country besides the US is perfect. I'll stop now, I'm tired.
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Dr_Jones
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway252 Posts
April 24 2012 11:26 GMT
#111
On April 24 2012 16:57 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 16:47 screamingpalm wrote:
Any source for this?


No

It's an extremely long pile of horseshit. At best, most of it is false and spun heavily.


It is in fact so spun that the Norwegian consulate in Phoenix, Arizona, stated that "This is a disgrace for the United States. At worst, he should be fined for reckless driving, at best freed of all charges."

Come on, man...
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freewareplayer
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany403 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 11:29:34
April 24 2012 11:27 GMT
#112
On April 24 2012 20:21 UisTehSux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 20:19 Unreliablex wrote:
On April 24 2012 20:18 UisTehSux wrote:
On April 24 2012 20:16 Roachu wrote:
That fucking country never seizes to amaze me...


This amazes me.

http://justice4assange.com/Rule-of-Law.html


You've already posted that three times. Can you not get reported for spamming?


I just think that people are posting and making comments as if every country besides the US is perfect. I'll stop now, I'm tired.

I think apart from some people that just hate the us for no reason thats not the case.

You dont seem to get it. Me, and obviously alot of other people, think your legal system is partly messed up. We really dont care if you post links of other legal systems being messed up, that doesnt change the fact that yours isnt perfect.

Then again you really dont wanna quote examples, especially not the same one 3 times, your giving people way to much ammunition seeing as, for example, the examples for fked up legal cases in Sweden is gonna by be lower than the ones in the us..
lolmlg
Profile Joined November 2011
619 Posts
April 24 2012 11:33 GMT
#113
I don't know why people from the US can't just accept that they have horrible social problems in threads like these. It's kind of pathetic that you guys get so defensive over stuff that can't be defended. If you don't like it then become an activist and try to make things better. You're the only ones who can actually do that. People in Germany can't help you. You need to do it for yourselves.
IamVirGin
Profile Joined March 2012
119 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 11:39:31
April 24 2012 11:34 GMT
#114
On April 24 2012 19:41 treekiller wrote:
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On April 24 2012 19:35 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:
On April 24 2012 19:24 treekiller wrote:
Driving the wrong way on a oneway street?

Panics and trys to drive though a crowd of people?

I know euros are probably not used to driving as much or under the same conditions as we do in America, but you could very well kill someone. If anything good comes out of this, I hope our European friends will take more time to learn about driving in America before they just get behind the wheel.

As for the punishment, I doubt he will get 35 years in jail. In America, you are usually charged with a more serious crime, to give an incentive to plead to a lesser charge. Even the greater charge here seems to be 5 years. Thats why in the George Zimmerman case they charged him with 2nd degree murder. they hope he will plead guilty to manslaughter. They dont actually think he should be charged with murder.




I dont know exactly what you mean, but if you mean what I think you mean. Your pretty ignorant. How is the roads in US different from EU? Don't think we have 1 way streets? The roads in Norway is pretty known for being hard to comprehend because of the unnecessary strict rules along with bad road construction. And in any case. If I'd driven wrong. And a villager had punched me, I'd call 911 and try to get out of there asap. Don't want to risk being killed in the states for driving the wrong way. Never know how far the guy who hit what more he could do. If he hits for such a minor offence.


I doubt this incident would have happened had the man been in his native country. On the other hand, I can imagine myself being a bad driver if I was in unfamiliar territory, such as Norway. The takeawy is to familiarize yourself before you go to a new place.


Yes, it would indeed be intelligent to familiarize yourself before visiting unfamilar places. Funny tho, had you done what this guy allegedly did here worst you'd ever have gotten was MAYBE a ticket for reckless driving. Probably the police wouldn't even have been involved, and certainly not an armed SWAT-team.

Interesting thing though, what the OP fails to mention (but is mentioned in the actual Norwegian newspaper article) is that this guy have been in some troubles before. Apparently he moved out of the country due to being violated as a child, apparently assulted in illinois in 2002, and he also was expelled from University of South Alabama for being a potential terrorist candidate. (No explanation is given.)

Don't know exactly what to make of the story, but no matter what, he is being treated way too harsh as far as I'm concerned. Certainly what he did is being downplayed, but it's also pretty clear that the American justice system is completely crazed sometimes. (The whole jury system is retarded in my opinion.)

As for the punishment, I doubt he will get 35 years in jail. In America, you are usually charged with a more serious crime, to give an incentive to plead to a lesser charge. Even the greater charge here seems to be 5 years. Thats why in the George Zimmerman case they charged him with 2nd degree murder. they hope he will plead guilty to manslaughter. They dont actually think he should be charged with murder.


This proves retardedness I think. You really think this is a good idea? "Hey, if we charge this guy with something completely ludicrous, perhaps he will plead guilty to something kinda bad that he may or may not have done."

I'm baffled completely.
aebriol
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway2066 Posts
April 24 2012 11:35 GMT
#115
On April 24 2012 20:26 Dr_Jones wrote:
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On April 24 2012 16:57 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:47 screamingpalm wrote:
Any source for this?


No

It's an extremely long pile of horseshit. At best, most of it is false and spun heavily.


It is in fact so spun that the Norwegian consulate in Phoenix, Arizona, stated that "This is a disgrace for the United States. At worst, he should be fined for reckless driving, at best freed of all charges."

... was that the consulate? I thought it was the guys lawyer ... who is paid to think that.
Dr_Jones
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway252 Posts
April 24 2012 11:39 GMT
#116
On April 24 2012 20:14 CaptainCrush wrote:
The guy has a record... I dont really believe this article, looks like it was written by a lawyer. I need to see another source on the matter, until then I highly doubt he is the most unlucky person ever.

What was he doing at the school in order to be branded a terrorist anyways? They dont even elaborate on that, most likely becuase he deserved to be kicked out.


His "record" is having a parking ticket and a warning from the police for disturbance of public order. This was then used as plausible explanations for his terrorist plans to poison the drinking water in Mobile, Alabama, were he was currently studying a 4 year degree in bioengineering. Post 9/11 blues, for sure, all foreigners are potential terrorists. That particular case was taken to civil court, where he won against the University of South Alabama.

Your reasoning is flawed. Your conclusions are wrong. Sit down, shut up.
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Zac4564
Profile Joined April 2012
5 Posts
April 24 2012 11:40 GMT
#117
Are the norwegians the new Asians?
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HellRoxYa
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1614 Posts
April 24 2012 11:41 GMT
#118
On April 24 2012 19:46 UisTehSux wrote:
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On April 24 2012 19:40 Elroi wrote:
Jup, that is one severely fucked up legal system.


Please stop acting like every place outside of the United States is a Utopia.

http://justice4assange.com/Rule-of-Law.html


You do realize that Assange is only having troubles because of US diplomatic pressure (on both the UK and Sweden)? This isn't a problem with our legal system as much as it is a problem with power abuse from the US. I would wish the Swedish state (and the legal system) would have been strong enough to resist such diplomatic pressure, but that is obviously not the case.
screamingpalm
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1527 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 11:44:45
April 24 2012 11:41 GMT
#119

[...]and he also was expelled from University of South Alabama for being a potential terrorist candidate. (No explanation is given.)


Now THAT sounds like a juicy story!

Edit: nvm, explained above. Buzzkilling typical 9/11 fear mongering.
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Dr_Jones
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway252 Posts
April 24 2012 11:48 GMT
#120
On April 24 2012 20:40 Zac4564 wrote:
Are the norwegians the new Asians?


Nah, dude, we suck at Starcraft
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Knap4life
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Slovenia333 Posts
April 24 2012 11:52 GMT
#121
This is why i will never live in the US.
Unreliablex
Profile Joined October 2011
141 Posts
April 24 2012 12:03 GMT
#122
This is why I want to go to Disney World in France instead of Florida.
Valashu
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands561 Posts
April 24 2012 12:04 GMT
#123
On April 24 2012 16:57 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 16:47 screamingpalm wrote:
Any source for this?


No

It's an extremely long pile of horseshit. At best, most of it is false and spun heavily.


Any source for THIS?
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44316 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 12:09:26
April 24 2012 12:06 GMT
#124
On April 24 2012 17:15 GenericTerranPlayer wrote:
and people ask me why i don't want to study in the united states


On April 24 2012 20:52 Knap4life wrote:
This is why i will never live in the US.


Yeah... no. This isn't really the norm in America. (Unfortunately, Arizona has had a lot of recent problems, but that state doesn't even remotely represent all of the United States.)

Anyways, it seems like he did a bunch of stupid and confusing shit, but was trying to be careful not to intentionally harm anyone during the process (and didn't really know what he was doing the whole time), and everything snowballed out of control and a bunch of idiots ganged up on him. It's a pity that he's being accused of something so terrible though; obviously he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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Attican
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark531 Posts
April 24 2012 12:06 GMT
#125
What a load of shit, I seriously don't understand the way they assign prison terms in America sometimes, it's completely all over the place.
kukarachaa
Profile Joined February 2011
United States284 Posts
April 24 2012 12:11 GMT
#126
the story is presented with extreme bias towards one side, that said no matter how u sugarcoat it he still slammed his gas in the crowd full of people and injured two of them i am sure there is way more to this as well
Meiya
Profile Joined August 2007
Australia1169 Posts
April 24 2012 12:16 GMT
#127
This is terrible to hear. There are many stories about this around, and one could be forgiven the US has a justice system that just does not work. However, the US is in the limelight all the time for legal cases and obviously only the controversial ones are ever reported by the media: it has been suggested to me that US judges generally do a good job of things in a flawed system, making judgement calls and taking extenuating circumstances into account. We may be missing some context, but as the article is written this seems like a grave injustice. I am glad that this is most certainly not the norm, and I hope the US legal system will learn that this was most likely a mistake.
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h41fgod
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden377 Posts
April 24 2012 12:16 GMT
#128
On April 24 2012 21:11 kukarachaa wrote:
the story is presented with extreme bias towards one side, that said no matter how u sugarcoat it he still slammed his gas in the crowd full of people and injured two of them i am sure there is way more to this as well

So your right to defend yourself (even by peaceful means) goes out the window if accidentally take a wrong turn? From the article, our only source so far, he only hurt them trying to escape them. Last I remember, it would have been fine to shoot them in the face in Florida.
Detri
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom683 Posts
April 24 2012 12:17 GMT
#129
If this really is unbiased reporting then someone should step in, Norwegian's shouldn't stand for it.

But I have to say, the guy did damage 3/4 people with a car? If he didn't know the road signs etc... wtf was he doing driving?

Sucks to be him, but everyone knows Americans "Don't take no shit" when it comes down to the law. Also who in their right mind actually winds down the car window when someone is screaming and shouting at them? Nice way to get sucker punched, from above... Man up and get out or keep the window shut and drive.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44316 Posts
April 24 2012 12:32 GMT
#130
On April 24 2012 21:16 h41fgod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 21:11 kukarachaa wrote:
the story is presented with extreme bias towards one side, that said no matter how u sugarcoat it he still slammed his gas in the crowd full of people and injured two of them i am sure there is way more to this as well

So your right to defend yourself (even by peaceful means) goes out the window if accidentally take a wrong turn? From the article, our only source so far, he only hurt them trying to escape them. Last I remember, it would have been fine to shoot them in the face in Florida.


Obviously not, and obviously he was extremely confused, but I'm curious as to why he drove all the way through a one-way street, as opposed to realizing quite quickly that he made an illegal turn, and instead pulled back out of the one-way street and drove legally around to find his car shop. After all, everyone was jeering at him because he was driving illegally, endangering their safety, and messing up their party (not that that justifies any violence, of course).

It also definitely sounds like the article is extremely biased in defense of the driver, regardless of the fact that the incident was started by his lack of knowledge of the rules of the road (like being able to read basic street signs). Again, this doesn't justify mob mentality or him getting beaten up, but the idea that a pious, intelligent foreigner was attacked by terrible Americans for no reason is just plain wrong, and that seems like what the article is trying to portray (and what some people in this thread assume is happening). It glosses over what the driver does wrong, which causes the partyers to get pissed.
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NeWeNiyaLord
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Norway2474 Posts
April 24 2012 12:35 GMT
#131
Yeah the article is pretty biased, but it's a Norwegian site looking for news. And who doesn't like drama in the us?
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Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
April 24 2012 12:38 GMT
#132
That OP is so crazy, almost sounds made up. =o
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unit
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2621 Posts
April 24 2012 12:38 GMT
#133
On April 24 2012 19:28 freewareplayer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 19:24 treekiller wrote:
Driving the wrong way on a oneway street?

Panics and trys to drive though a crowd of people?

I know euros are probably not used to driving as much or under the same conditions as we do in America, but you could very well kill someone. If anything good comes out of this, I hope our European friends will take more time to learn about driving in America before they just get behind the wheel.



If your way of driving includes civilians breaking every persons nose that took a wrong turn, then i hope to god that no European will learn that and come back here. Whoever learns that, you can keep them.

funniest part of his statement, the best drivers i know are european lol there's just better driver education over there so the overall driving skill level is higher
`dunedain
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
655 Posts
April 24 2012 12:41 GMT
#134
Some crazy ass shit.
Talk about losing streak. One bad move after the other.

I hope he gets acquitted though. He's obviously just being used as an example and his "crime" doesn't even come close to the punishment they mention.
I guess the people who got injured believe they deserve restitution of some kind for their problems.

If that was me, there's no way I'd let a kid go to jail because he ran over a toe.
The woman who got scratched has nothing to bitch about too, just get some antiseptic.

I mean seriously.
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AgentChaos
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom4569 Posts
April 24 2012 12:45 GMT
#135
i am at a loss for words
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byFd
Profile Joined May 2006
Germany620 Posts
April 24 2012 12:52 GMT
#136
why would he drive into a one way road?
shouldn't drive if he can't keep his eyes open :D
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Cinim
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark866 Posts
April 24 2012 12:59 GMT
#137
Seriously, no offense to USA, but as soon as you are outside of the city limits of any major town, everything is just so fucked up, especialy in desert areas and such, I have no idea why they are like that, but there are just hundreds, thousands probably cases, in which they have had such poor judgement.

Anyone from US, please tell me what is wrong with your hill billies?
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Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8075 Posts
April 24 2012 13:00 GMT
#138
Very biased article, which shows up even more in the video. This guy is obviouisly retarded considering the "facts" about him down on the right side (short of it: This isn't his first time in trouble with the law in the US).

That said, its still an extreme overreaction by everyone involved. I especially love how the police woman who goes to arrest him jumps back and pulls her gun on him while he sits there quietly with his hands on the steering wheel. Tbh this isn't even worthy of anything but a ticket and maybe a lawsuit from the people he hurt. 5-35 years is completely out of the window retarded.
KainiT
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria392 Posts
April 24 2012 13:03 GMT
#139
I stopped reading after he (or was it his mother) "paniked" the second time. Seriously, does anybody believe this kind of story?
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Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8075 Posts
April 24 2012 13:07 GMT
#140
On April 24 2012 22:03 KainiT wrote:
I stopped reading after he (or was it his mother) "paniked" the second time. Seriously, does anybody believe this kind of story?


Yes. like I said. The story is very biased, and they might have neglected to show everything. But Norwegian media is not allowed to lie.
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
April 24 2012 13:11 GMT
#141
Yeah it's a pretty elaborate story but this is Arizona..right?
Toxi78
Profile Joined May 2010
966 Posts
April 24 2012 13:24 GMT
#142
this country makes me sick to my stomach, and some idiots still trry to make us believe this is the example to follow, that's hilarious. how many cases of power abuse do we have to show before people stop with saying "stop bashing our country omg omg omg!!" and start wondering in what kind of sick society they are living in.
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
April 24 2012 13:28 GMT
#143
So according to the article he should be sentenced in about three hours?
how
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States538 Posts
April 24 2012 13:32 GMT
#144
Sometimes I really hate calling myself an American, not always, but times like these...seriously people.
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Opeasy
Profile Joined August 2011
107 Posts
April 24 2012 13:34 GMT
#145
Spending the rest of your life in jail because you broke someones toe just doesn't sound right with me. Of course he freaks out when he got an angry mob trying to, and successfully hurting him. I wonder if the guy who punched him gets the same sentence, because, you could kill someone by punching them in the nose. Could this be the reason US has one of the highest ratios of prisoners pr. citizen? It just might be....
-Cyrus-
Profile Joined June 2011
United States318 Posts
April 24 2012 13:43 GMT
#146
Things like this make me ashamed to live here. The court system so often is used to appease rather than bring justice, it's shameful.
MaGariShun
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria305 Posts
April 24 2012 13:44 GMT
#147
On April 24 2012 18:24 haduken wrote:
Don't want to be a dick but I'm curious. Could the story of the Norwegian psycho from months before had any influence on this?

I highly doubt that. It was one terrible incident and currently the trial is going on in a very professional way.

Shit like this story here pops up fairly often and is the reason why so much US-bashing is going on. Just look through the general section, every 5th thread will probably be about some case of american police violence/injustice or some crazy new law (hi arizona). The whole story sounds very biased, but just watching the video and how the police handles stuff tells me everything i need to know.

The norwegian clearly was breaking the law in some way or another, but 5-35 years?
arfyron
Profile Joined July 2011
518 Posts
April 24 2012 13:51 GMT
#148
On April 24 2012 21:11 kukarachaa wrote:
the story is presented with extreme bias towards one side, that said no matter how u sugarcoat it he still slammed his gas in the crowd full of people and injured two of them i am sure there is way more to this as well


Yeah. The bias in the writing is absurd. It makes him seem like such a victim. Who cares why he is in the states or why he got a rental car. The fact is that he ran over someone almost hit someone's family and fled the scene.
FlyingToilet
Profile Joined August 2011
United States840 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 14:30:50
April 24 2012 13:56 GMT
#149
What is with my country? this is absolutely unacceptable if i was in that guys situation i don't know what i would do... this makes me wanna call the jail hes in and give him support! no one deserves this bullshit he did absolutely NOTHING wrong only panicked because he was being attacked by a fucking mob, they should arrest all the retards that were surrounding his car, i would say this is a fucking hate crime and the state is taking action against the wrong person.

I don't give a fuck if you thought your wife and kids were "gonna get run over" the guy that broke his nose should be doing the sentence, you don't just walk up and punch somebody in the face while they are steering an automobile, how in the fuck does that even help the situation?! Fuck the people in Arizona bunch of bastards i hope they all go to jail for tenfold of what this guy got... there's just no excuse for this, EVERYBODY makes mistakes! just because you have a group against you doesn't mean state law has to persecute you, this man deserves justice NOW!

Edit: lol tons of spelling mistakes i ranted a little bit too much xD
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Zen5034
Profile Joined July 2011
United States384 Posts
April 24 2012 13:56 GMT
#150
Poor guy. =/

Just seems like crappy luck put him into a lose-lose situation.. and here we are now.

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NeWeNiyaLord
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Norway2474 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 14:00:22
April 24 2012 13:57 GMT
#151
Just read that he's already "proven" guilty and that he will get sentenced in a couple of hours..

Considered dangerous

VG presented the story of 33-year-old who is imprisoned in Navajo County Jail on Monday. There, he is considered one of the most dangerous prisoners, and mets with VG in anklets and handcuffs in prison.

- "The treatment I receive here in prison is based on what I have been arrested for, not what I am convicted of, as long as I have not measured the penalty. The conditions here are pretty bad for me right now. I can get out of my cell three times per week, one hour each time, to take me a shower and maybe read the documents. Otherwise, I'm inside the cell, which has a toilet, a sink and a mat to sleep on", says Lars farm.
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achristes
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Norway653 Posts
April 24 2012 14:00 GMT
#152
On April 24 2012 16:57 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 16:47 screamingpalm wrote:
Any source for this?


No

It's an extremely long pile of horseshit. At best, most of it is false and spun heavily.

Err, link is there now if it wasn't before you posted, and yeah, our media is stupid but I wouldn't call it a pile of horseshit.
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Ighox
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway580 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 14:05:20
April 24 2012 14:03 GMT
#153
... weird doublepost
Ighox
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway580 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 14:04:35
April 24 2012 14:04 GMT
#154
On April 24 2012 22:51 arfyron wrote:
The fact is that he ran over someone almost hit someone's family and fled the scene.

After someone broke his nose, and after he "fled" he called the cops and said he had been attacked.

Yeah, clearly sounds like an attempted mass murderer trying to kill people.
The article may be biased, but even if everything is true it wouldn't really surprise me, there's crazy shit like this all the time.
Waterflow
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1550 Posts
April 24 2012 14:05 GMT
#155
Seems highly unlikely he would try to injure or kill people with his car when his mother is sitting right next to him in the car.

He's just a bad driver it seems like.
feanor1
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1899 Posts
April 24 2012 14:07 GMT
#156
On April 24 2012 22:56 FlyingToilet wrote:
What is with my country? this is absolutely unacceptable if i was in that guys situation i don't what i would do... this makes me wanna call the jail hes in and give him support! no one deserves this bullshit he did absolutely NOTHING wrong only panicked because he was being attacked by a fucking mob, they should arrest all the retards that were surrounding his car, i would say this is a fucking hate crime and the state is taking action against the wrong person.

I don't give a fuck if you thought your wife and kids were "gonna get run over" the guy that broke his nose should be doing the sentence, you don't just walk up and punch somebody in the face while they are steering an automobile, how in the fuck does that even help situation?! Fuck the people in Arizona bunch of bastards i hope they all go to jail for tenfold of what this guy got... there's just no excuse for this, EVERYBODY makes mistakes! just because you have a group against you doesn't mean state law has to persecute you, this man deserves justice NOW!

English, do you speak it? He hit 6 people with his car, that counts as doing something wrong. If the it really happened the way the article states (unlikely), then his sentence is way harsh and a fine would have been way more than enough. I would wait until more than one news story is available before jumping to such extreme judgement.
Waterflow
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1550 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 14:10:13
April 24 2012 14:09 GMT
#157
On April 24 2012 22:51 arfyron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 21:11 kukarachaa wrote:
the story is presented with extreme bias towards one side, that said no matter how u sugarcoat it he still slammed his gas in the crowd full of people and injured two of them i am sure there is way more to this as well


Yeah. The bias in the writing is absurd. It makes him seem like such a victim. Who cares why he is in the states or why he got a rental car. The fact is that he ran over someone almost hit someone's family and fled the scene.


It's ignorant people like you that get innocent people to jail.

You have to think further than just..... "ok he clearly drove over that persons toe.......... DEATHSENTENCE!!!".
h41fgod
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden377 Posts
April 24 2012 14:11 GMT
#158
On April 24 2012 23:07 feanor1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 22:56 FlyingToilet wrote:
What is with my country? this is absolutely unacceptable if i was in that guys situation i don't what i would do... this makes me wanna call the jail hes in and give him support! no one deserves this bullshit he did absolutely NOTHING wrong only panicked because he was being attacked by a fucking mob, they should arrest all the retards that were surrounding his car, i would say this is a fucking hate crime and the state is taking action against the wrong person.

I don't give a fuck if you thought your wife and kids were "gonna get run over" the guy that broke his nose should be doing the sentence, you don't just walk up and punch somebody in the face while they are steering an automobile, how in the fuck does that even help situation?! Fuck the people in Arizona bunch of bastards i hope they all go to jail for tenfold of what this guy got... there's just no excuse for this, EVERYBODY makes mistakes! just because you have a group against you doesn't mean state law has to persecute you, this man deserves justice NOW!

English, do you speak it? He hit 6 people with his car, that counts as doing something wrong. If the it really happened the way the article states (unlikely), then his sentence is way harsh and a fine would have been way more than enough. I would wait until more than one news story is available before jumping to such extreme judgement.

He does, do you? He grazed on person and run over another persons toe. After being punched in the face and having his nose broken.
Djin)ftw(
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany3357 Posts
April 24 2012 14:12 GMT
#159
I dont know whether to laugh or be angry. This is just so surreal. :o
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xian_
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany12 Posts
April 24 2012 14:12 GMT
#160
On April 24 2012 19:24 treekiller wrote:

As for the punishment, I doubt he will get 35 years in jail. In America, you are usually charged with a more serious crime, to give an incentive to plead to a lesser charge. Even the greater charge here seems to be 5 years. Thats why in the George Zimmerman case they charged him with 2nd degree murder. they hope he will plead guilty to manslaughter. They dont actually think he should be charged with murder.



Wow, do i get that right: The suspect is threatend with decades in jail to get an incentive to plead to lesser charge? And that is called a justice system? Is that done to speed up trails and reduce cost because it's easier for everyone when the suspects pleads guilty?

That sounds like the lightweight version of the Spanish Inquisition - without physical torture. If that is anywhere close to the truth maybe our fellow posters from the US should take the 'bashing' of the US 'justice' system as a statement of concern instead. Maybe it can even be an incentive to get active and try to improve the system?

Oh - and about the "without physical torture"-part: What about that little camp on Cuba again? Excuse me. Not part of this thread...
DamnCats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1472 Posts
April 24 2012 14:14 GMT
#161
Some context: Arizona and Florida are currently neck and neck in the race for worst state in the union. With no end in sight to this race, it seems Arizona is pulling slightly ahead. Mississippi remains a jealous 3rd.
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FlyingToilet
Profile Joined August 2011
United States840 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 14:25:36
April 24 2012 14:22 GMT
#162
On April 24 2012 23:07 feanor1 wrote:
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On April 24 2012 22:56 FlyingToilet wrote:
What is with my country? this is absolutely unacceptable if i was in that guys situation i don't what i would do... this makes me wanna call the jail hes in and give him support! no one deserves this bullshit he did absolutely NOTHING wrong only panicked because he was being attacked by a fucking mob, they should arrest all the retards that were surrounding his car, i would say this is a fucking hate crime and the state is taking action against the wrong person.

I don't give a fuck if you thought your wife and kids were "gonna get run over" the guy that broke his nose should be doing the sentence, you don't just walk up and punch somebody in the face while they are steering an automobile, how in the fuck does that even help situation?! Fuck the people in Arizona bunch of bastards i hope they all go to jail for tenfold of what this guy got... there's just no excuse for this, EVERYBODY makes mistakes! just because you have a group against you doesn't mean state law has to persecute you, this man deserves justice NOW!

English, do you speak it? He hit 6 people with his car, that counts as doing something wrong. If the it really happened the way the article states (unlikely), then his sentence is way harsh and a fine would have been way more than enough. I would wait until more than one news story is available before jumping to such extreme judgement.

He hit 6 people because they surrounded his car like hateful morons, How in the hell is it this guy's fault? he followed his moms orders i wouldn't get out and try to reason with an angry mob either! and nice insult, at least try harder next time...

Only reason i am actually appalled about this is because the witnesses were the ones who jumped to conclusions, and now all this tax payers money is wasted because they wanna charge a completely innocent man, why not just fine him?
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vOkk
Profile Joined June 2010
Belgium576 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 14:28:41
April 24 2012 14:28 GMT
#163
Welcome to the United States

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mbsupermario
Profile Joined July 2010
United States101 Posts
April 24 2012 14:29 GMT
#164
I want to go to Norway and try to re-enact this scenario with the roles reversed. Any bets on whether or not I go to jail?
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
April 24 2012 14:30 GMT
#165
The OP sounds heavily biased. Also sounds like what he did warrants a little bit more than a reckless driving ticket, imo. But Jesus, minimum 5 year sentence? Either we aren't being told something, or Arizona is simply living up to its retarded reputation, with its retarded seemingly retarded people who are always ready to imprison someone for stupid shit.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 14:39:43
April 24 2012 14:38 GMT
#166
On April 24 2012 23:29 mbsupermario wrote:
I want to go to Norway and try to re-enact this scenario with the roles reversed. Any bets on whether or not I go to jail?


No, all the people in this thread making themselves look stupid will show up at court and demand you be released and talk mad shit on Norway. Don't worry, they'll be 100% consistent. And since you'll have a record in Norway for stalking like this guy does in the US (he caused a family to move from Alabama to Chicago because he was stalking their daughter and then whaddayaknow he shows up in Chicago shortly after they move) and you drove through the crowd not once but twice they'll actually reimburse you for the repairs to your car and probably give you a medal too instead of throwing the book at you for being a dangerous dumbass.
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CaptainCrush
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States785 Posts
April 24 2012 14:40 GMT
#167
On April 24 2012 23:29 mbsupermario wrote:
I want to go to Norway and try to re-enact this scenario with the roles reversed. Any bets on whether or not I go to jail?


I bet you probably would, and America would still be at fault somehow.... At the end of the day, this is just another F-USA thread =[
SilentBonjwa
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany119 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 14:42:45
April 24 2012 14:41 GMT
#168
come to think, Anders Breivik being in Norway gets 21 years in Jail - after killing 77 people.

sucks to be convicted on US court.
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Hellboy.100
Profile Joined June 2011
Slovenia135 Posts
April 24 2012 14:43 GMT
#169
Policemen in USA became or already were serious douchebags, they abuse those tasers like they would be water guns (although here was no tazing, i'm pretty sure 1 cop would be enough to handle the innocent guy even without a taser...what a load of crap, horrible people, horrible cops, horrible system -_- i really hope some luck shines into his life soon :/

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Rassy
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2308 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 15:04:19
April 24 2012 14:44 GMT
#170
At first sight it seems insane but dont think have enough information to judge it.

Driving with a car into a crowd can definatly and and rightfully be seen as asault with a deadly weapon, though off course it depends on specific conditions
In the netherlands 1 guy killed ~7 people by deliberatly driving into a crowd on a national holiday.
We now did hear Johns version of the events but surely there is another version of the events from the people in the crowd, wich version is true is up to the judge to decide.

and in September the same year his school kicked him out because he might be a terrorist

This small sentence in the op makes me think that there is at least something suspicious about this john.
Annyway: cant realy judge this and luckily i dont have to either as i have no jury duty


"TL has a lot of bored Europeans who have nothing better to do than troll US local news for things that show Americans in a bad light"

Lol this is kinda true
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 14:56:30
April 24 2012 14:48 GMT
#171
Court Information
http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/publicaccess/caselookup.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1

Didn't save fully, just use Larsgard as the last name. Should give you the list, most relievant is the 4th one down.
+ Show Spoiler +
5 AGGRAVATED ASLT-DEADLY WEAPON/DANG INST
6 AGGRAVATED ASLT-DEADLY WEAPON/DANG INST
7 AGGRAVATED ASLT-DEADLY WEAPON/DANG INST
8 ENDANGERMENT
16 AGGRAVATED ASLT-DEADLY WEAPON/DANG INST
17 AGGRAVATED ASLT-DEADLY WEAPON/DANG INST
18 AGGRAVATED ASLT-DEADLY WEAPON/DANG INST
21 AGGRAVATED ASLT-DEADLY WEAPON/DANG INST

Are the charges that weren't dismissed.
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 14:49:08
April 24 2012 14:48 GMT
#172
Seems a bit harsh with 5 years minimum but I'm guessing it isn't as clear cut as the op suggests.

On April 24 2012 23:48 Irave wrote:
Court Information
http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/publicaccess/caselookup.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1


Link doesn't work for me.
ownyah
Profile Joined April 2012
146 Posts
April 24 2012 14:48 GMT
#173
Can someone keep updated on what has happened ever since? If anything new has happened and what the verdict ends up being?
MostDifferent
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Norway124 Posts
April 24 2012 14:50 GMT
#174
He would not go to jail in norway for this, he would lose his license and maybe get a fine.

The person who hit him would face worse charges.
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 14:56:20
April 24 2012 14:54 GMT
#175
On April 24 2012 22:44 MaGariShun wrote:
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On April 24 2012 18:24 haduken wrote:
Don't want to be a dick but I'm curious. Could the story of the Norwegian psycho from months before had any influence on this?

I highly doubt that. It was one terrible incident and currently the trial is going on in a very professional way.

Shit like this story here pops up fairly often and is the reason why so much US-bashing is going on. Just look through the general section, every 5th thread will probably be about some case of american police violence/injustice or some crazy new law (hi arizona). The whole story sounds very biased, but just watching the video and how the police handles stuff tells me everything i need to know.

The norwegian clearly was breaking the law in some way or another, but 5-35 years?



And if you look at all those threads, most of them aren't started by Americans. TL has a lot of bored Europeans who have nothing better to do than troll US local news for things that show Americans in a bad light. At least this one involves a Norwegian so it's understandable that it made its way to Norway but some of the other threads are just obscure local news. And for what it's worth, most of it are from the stupid hick towns in the US, too.

The US is almost as big size wise and population wise as the entire EU. I'm sure that if you aggregate the entire EU, there will be a similar incidence of bad news as well. Of course, it doesn't seem like anybody is interested in posting any of those in TL, except in very rare cases.

I'm almost 30 years old. I've taken up a few law classes in business school. I've served in a jury. I have relatives who are lawyers here. The system works for the most part. Just because ignorant foreigners don't like it doesn't mean that it's broken.
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 15:02:40
April 24 2012 14:58 GMT
#176
On April 24 2012 23:48 ownyah wrote:
Can someone keep updated on what has happened ever since? If anything new has happened and what the verdict ends up being?

They found him guilty a month ago to the charges listed above. His sentencing is in a few hours.
NeWeNiyaLord
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Norway2474 Posts
April 24 2012 14:59 GMT
#177
On April 24 2012 23:29 mbsupermario wrote:
I want to go to Norway and try to re-enact this scenario with the roles reversed. Any bets on whether or not I go to jail?

Ok, I'll bet 10 000 dollars you would not stay there for more then 3 months at maximum ( and that's me being overly dramatic) And when you get to court. And the case is at it is in the states you'd probably get refunded the fine aswell as court costs if a person hit you before you hurt somebody.
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teaCher
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada521 Posts
April 24 2012 15:04 GMT
#178
I honestly think he did something more severe to receive up to 5 years in jail, the state government won't waste money to imprison someone that was driving wreckless, there must be more to this story.
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barrocco
Profile Joined April 2012
Norway2 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 15:14:37
April 24 2012 15:08 GMT
#179
Honestly, considering this guy, I have seen his case in the pappers or online each time it happen.
Ironic really... one thing I have though about is how he acts so spoiled, through each of the cases. Not "Oh poor me" but "I know the laws, so I use them" kind of reaction, and he is a mamas boy, always in all the cases. I am kinda wondering if the mother got the papper to get over there by making it seem like a terrible thing. In a way it is a overreaction, all of it, that guy is a pussy, and my, my... seems like they throw away cash at agressive police instead of bether things in usa as well. The thing about this doche bag is that he though is not completly inocent in this case.
Considering how he always is mindless, that in itself is no problem, but considering that he does not try to do things on his own is kinda irritating. He must have been seen as threatening, but even so minimum of 5 years? For just driving over some womans toes? He was the one calling for the police, and it is obviously a missunderstanding, but he is guilty of harming someone and driving the wrong way, however, the man who hit him harmed him as well, though that man did so on base that his family had been in danger (avenging someone still alive and well, not even harmed in any ways?). If he considered the guy a crazy man I understand that, or if he wanted to punch him to realize how stupid he had been, either way, that escelated the situation in such a way that the guy and mother panic.

The guy moved to usa because he hated norway, and now he hate usa as well I figure. Trying to find sympathy with norwegians as if saying "I wanna go home now". Spoiled. He did move a place and so he should live by the rules of the country he is in. I do not think he should be in jail for more than a month or two, or that he should pay back for scaring the people. It is reasonable, for he is not innocent in this case. No mather what you can not just panic and drive through people. He should have stayed in the car, tried to calmly solve the situation without opening the window to much. Being hit might have been provoked by something he said. I am a norwegian who think jail for two months might be okay for this happening, but 5-35 years? Only insane people would throw away cash on prisoning someone who was just driving wrong. It will cost much more to have someone in jail than letting them go, and the cash can be used elsewhere.

I consider this reasonable if he can not pay the fine.
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Fumanchu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Canada669 Posts
April 24 2012 15:08 GMT
#180
Why does everyone crap on the US as a whole for their justice system? Has anyone here actually been in charge of anything as monumental as running a country or even a state? There are so many different issues which have to be considered that will never reach the general public. It's not as simple as looking at a situation and thinking, "hmmm well I can understand what this guy was going through, awwww let's let him off easy 'cause it really doesn't make a lot of sense to persecute him to the full extent of the law". It might be nice to think that that is how things should be, or even could be, but the reality is that there is a mountain of red tape that has to be processed. Precedents must be set, future negotitations with foreign relations must be taken into account, and public reactions to similar historical events must be considered.
Easy doesnt fit into grownup life.
SilentBonjwa
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany119 Posts
April 24 2012 15:12 GMT
#181
On April 24 2012 23:50 MostDifferent wrote:
He would not go to jail in norway for this, he would lose his license and maybe get a fine.

The person who hit him would face worse charges.


Norway has one of the most advanced legislations in the world imo

The case Breivik really is big in Europe right now, and I have utmost respect for the judge and lawyers dealing with him so professionally.

Even Germany wouldnt let him go with 21 years imprisoned though.

Prisoners in Norway even get a chance to rehabiliate and "get clean" on an island called Bastøy, seperated from the outer civilization. Even the toughest guys become mentally kind of "stable" after their time there, because they get treated like humans and not like in a US prison.

So probs to Norway, wish the whole world could take an example of them.
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MotherOfRunes
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2862 Posts
April 24 2012 15:14 GMT
#182
good ol pathetic USA....

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GrandMaPwnZ.
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway84 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 15:20:26
April 24 2012 15:14 GMT
#183
On April 24 2012 23:29 mbsupermario wrote:
I want to go to Norway and try to re-enact this scenario with the roles reversed. Any bets on whether or not I go to jail?


I don't think so. You would probably get a fine for reckless driving. I doubt anyone would punch you or try to surround your car. There is a big difference in culture when it comes to aggresive behaviour in traffic. We very rarely have cases or road-rage and such.

It is not my intention to bash on the US, but you have to admit that there is quite a difference in culture in situations like these.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 15:22:16
April 24 2012 15:21 GMT
#184
On April 25 2012 00:14 GrandMaPwnZ. wrote:
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On April 24 2012 23:29 mbsupermario wrote:
I want to go to Norway and try to re-enact this scenario with the roles reversed. Any bets on whether or not I go to jail?


I don't think so. You would probably get a fine for reckless driving. I doubt anyone would punch you or try to surround your car. There is quite the difference in culture when it comes to aggresive behaviour in traffic. We very rarely have cases or road-rage and such.

It is not my intention to bash on the US, but you have to admit that there is quite a difference in culture in situations like these.


I believe that if there was a crowd of drunken Norwegians they wouldn't act differently from a crowd of drunken Americans. There was a music festival going on, I doubt that the people there were sipping lemonade.

All it takes is a very small number of individuals in a crowd to turn that crowd into a mob, that's been proven again and again and nationality has nothing to do with it, all humans are susceptible to it if they're in a crowd. And the guy who punched him believed that his family was in danger, people don't react calmly in that kind of situation especially in the midst of an angry crowd.

There is no difference in culture situations, just a fervent belief that there must be based on an immature superiority complex Europeans on the internet have about their own culture vis-a-vis America's.
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Geen
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands51 Posts
April 24 2012 15:26 GMT
#185
On April 25 2012 00:21 DeepElemBlues wrote:

There is no difference in culture situations, just a fervent belief that there must be based on an immature superiority complex Europeans on the internet have about their own culture vis-a-vis America's.

This is just not true. There are so many differences in culture, just look at the difference in masculinity/femininity between Norway and the US.

http://vandijktrack.com/hofstedes-cultural-dimensions/
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
April 24 2012 15:28 GMT
#186
On April 25 2012 00:26 Geen wrote:
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On April 25 2012 00:21 DeepElemBlues wrote:

There is no difference in culture situations, just a fervent belief that there must be based on an immature superiority complex Europeans on the internet have about their own culture vis-a-vis America's.

This is just not true. There are so many differences in culture, just look at the difference in masculinity/femininity between Norway and the US.

http://vandijktrack.com/hofstedes-cultural-dimensions/


I should have been more clear and said I meant in the context of this particular situation as far as the events of the incident itself, there aren't culture differences at play.

There definitely are as far as judicial culture (mandatory minimum sentences, the decision to prosecute, and the decisions as to what charges to prosecute with).
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barrocco
Profile Joined April 2012
Norway2 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 15:32:10
April 24 2012 15:28 GMT
#187

I believe that if there was a crowd of drunken Norwegians they wouldn't act differently from a crowd of drunken Americans. There was a music festival going on, I doubt that the people there were sipping lemonade.

Actually you are mistaken. Norwegians know how to party without going crazy, it lies in our blood to handle alcohol.
And trully lemonade beer is not uncomon in norway either (be wary of tasty beer), I hope they sipped lemonade beer if any lemonade was innvolved.
Drunk norwegians are like most Europeans, loud and noicy, but mostly harmless.
All it takes is a very small number of individuals in a crowd to turn that crowd into a mob, that's been proven again and again and nationality has nothing to do with it, all humans are susceptible to it if they're in a crowd. And the guy who punched him believed that his family was in danger, people don't react calmly in that kind of situation especially in the midst of an angry crowd.

That you are right in.
Sometimes people act in ways other find strange, but acting on emotions by attacking someone is rather cavelike.
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liberal
Profile Joined November 2011
1116 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 15:32:49
April 24 2012 15:31 GMT
#188
The United States doesn't have a culture. It's over 300 million people. Manhattan will have a different culture than inner city Baltimore, which will have a different culture than a suburb of Pasadena or a small town in the Appalachia.

There are probably gated communities in he US that haven't had a single punch thrown in years, while there are other communities that have near daily murder.

On April 25 2012 00:28 barrocco wrote:
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I believe that if there was a crowd of drunken Norwegians they wouldn't act differently from a crowd of drunken Americans. There was a music festival going on, I doubt that the people there were sipping lemonade.

Actually you are mistaken. Norwegians know how to party without going crazy, it lies in our blood to handle alcohol.

lol....
Opeasy
Profile Joined August 2011
107 Posts
April 24 2012 15:32 GMT
#189
On April 24 2012 23:41 SilentBonjwa wrote:
come to think, Anders Breivik being in Norway gets 21 years in Jail - after killing 77 people.

sucks to be convicted on US court.


I don't think this is true. Maximum sentence is 21 years, yes, but you could be kept in "containment" (i think this is the best translation) for 5 years, with unlimited extension. So he will probably never see freedom again. As for this guy, he would probably get a fine(or maybe not, depends on the officer), and so would the guy punching him.
Smapz
Profile Joined January 2011
Norway405 Posts
April 24 2012 15:34 GMT
#190
I don't know, but Arizona seems pretty fucked up from an outsider's perspective, at least here on TL.
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 15:36:26
April 24 2012 15:35 GMT
#191
On April 25 2012 00:12 SilentBonjwa wrote:
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On April 24 2012 23:50 MostDifferent wrote:
He would not go to jail in norway for this, he would lose his license and maybe get a fine.

The person who hit him would face worse charges.


Norway has one of the most advanced legislations in the world imo

The case Breivik really is big in Europe right now, and I have utmost respect for the judge and lawyers dealing with him so professionally.

Even Germany wouldnt let him go with 21 years imprisoned though.

Prisoners in Norway even get a chance to rehabiliate and "get clean" on an island called Bastøy, seperated from the outer civilization. Even the toughest guys become mentally kind of "stable" after their time there, because they get treated like humans and not like in a US prison.

So probs to Norway, wish the whole world could take an example of them.


Except he Breivik will not be let off after 21 years most likely.

But Arizona is Lol worthy, Like seriously what a joke of a state.
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Scorcher2k
Profile Joined November 2009
United States802 Posts
April 24 2012 15:44 GMT
#192
Arizona is probably more of a hardcore red state right now than Texas. It is seriously that bad. It's a shame that something stupid like this is happening but not at all surprising.
Recognizable
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Netherlands1552 Posts
April 24 2012 15:45 GMT
#193
A friend of my dad told my dad. Never drive into the wrong places in the US as a white guy. You might just get killed.
SilentBonjwa
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany119 Posts
April 24 2012 15:47 GMT
#194
On April 25 2012 00:35 Slaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 00:12 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 24 2012 23:50 MostDifferent wrote:
He would not go to jail in norway for this, he would lose his license and maybe get a fine.

The person who hit him would face worse charges.


Norway has one of the most advanced legislations in the world imo

The case Breivik really is big in Europe right now, and I have utmost respect for the judge and lawyers dealing with him so professionally.

Even Germany wouldnt let him go with 21 years imprisoned though.

Prisoners in Norway even get a chance to rehabiliate and "get clean" on an island called Bastøy, seperated from the outer civilization. Even the toughest guys become mentally kind of "stable" after their time there, because they get treated like humans and not like in a US prison.

So probs to Norway, wish the whole world could take an example of them.


Except he Breivik will not be let off after 21 years most likely.


I dont think so too, but if he can avoid the psychiatry he might even get a chance to get to Bastøy, a true gangsters paradise, where he could go fishing and life kind of free in the nature, seperated from non criminals forever though.
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nymfaw
Profile Joined November 2010
Norway430 Posts
April 24 2012 15:48 GMT
#195
On April 25 2012 00:21 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 00:14 GrandMaPwnZ. wrote:
On April 24 2012 23:29 mbsupermario wrote:
I want to go to Norway and try to re-enact this scenario with the roles reversed. Any bets on whether or not I go to jail?


I don't think so. You would probably get a fine for reckless driving. I doubt anyone would punch you or try to surround your car. There is quite the difference in culture when it comes to aggresive behaviour in traffic. We very rarely have cases or road-rage and such.

It is not my intention to bash on the US, but you have to admit that there is quite a difference in culture in situations like these.


I believe that if there was a crowd of drunken Norwegians they wouldn't act differently from a crowd of drunken Americans. There was a music festival going on, I doubt that the people there were sipping lemonade.

All it takes is a very small number of individuals in a crowd to turn that crowd into a mob, that's been proven again and again and nationality has nothing to do with it, all humans are susceptible to it if they're in a crowd. And the guy who punched him believed that his family was in danger, people don't react calmly in that kind of situation especially in the midst of an angry crowd.

There is no difference in culture situations, just a fervent belief that there must be based on an immature superiority complex Europeans on the internet have about their own culture vis-a-vis America's.



You can not compare European drinking culture to American. It's completely different. It's also proven that Europeans have a higher alcohol tolerance.

Still, this is so OT as it can get
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Rassy
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2308 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 15:49:32
April 24 2012 15:48 GMT
#196
SilentBonjwa Germany. April 25 2012 00:12. Posts 98

The case Breivik really is big in Europe right now, and I have utmost respect for the judge and lawyers dealing with him so professionally
So probs to Norway, wish the whole world could take an example of them.

Slightly off topic but i can second that.
The breivik case and the way in wich it has been handled has made a great impression on me, and society can learn alot from that case.
You can achieve so much more with this human way of treating criminals then by making beasts out of them, wich in my strong believe will only create more beasts.
Personally i also wish the whole world was like the scandic countrys (norway denmark swede finland)

"I should have been more clear and said I meant in the context of this particular situation as far as the events of the incident itself, there aren't culture differences at play."

The cultural difference is in the way the society looks at criminals and brings them to justice.
I imagine the aim of usa system mostly to be to punish the criminal first and prevent him from doing crime again second.
In norway i can imagine that more effort is taken to understand the criminal and why he has come to his action, then to prevent him from doing it again and lastly punishing him.
I imagine there is a good reason for this btw.
The USA is a high crime area and europe is a low crime area so a different aproach towards criminals can definatly be justified.

"a fervent belief that there must be based on an immature superiority complex Europeans on the internet have about their own culture vis-a-vis America's."

While it is true that most europeans (my country included) WRONGLY consider themselves culturally superior to america (wich i would find quiet annoying as well if i was from the usa) the scandic countrys do have something to back up such a claim.
If you examine their society you will find they are one of the most human and civil societys in the whole world.
IntoTheBush
Profile Joined July 2010
United States552 Posts
April 24 2012 15:50 GMT
#197
One reason why I want to live in Canada.
liberal
Profile Joined November 2011
1116 Posts
April 24 2012 15:51 GMT
#198
At least we've boiled this pointless story down to it's core: A comparison of who's country is better than others. Everyone make your vote for the best country! I'm gonna cast my vote for Angola, just to be contrarian.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 15:57:06
April 24 2012 15:53 GMT
#199
You can not compare European drinking culture to American. It's completely different. It's also proven that Europeans have a higher alcohol tolerance.

Still, this is so OT as it can get


Drinking culture has nothing to do with it, crowds with drunk people in them are the same everywhere. Give up the defensive superiority reflex already.

While it is true that most europeans (my country included) WRONGLY consider themselves culturally superior to america (wich i would find quiet annoying as well if i was from the usa) the scandic countrys do have something to back up such a claim.
If you examine their society you will find they are one of the most human and civil societys in the whole world.


No, they don't, they just have a set of arbitrarily chosen standards that they have asserted are the most important.

Americans could just as easily point to other arbitrary standards - like, oh, size of home, or meat consumption, or ownership of certain material goods like automobiles - and declare that look, we have a superior culture because of those! Doesn't make it true.

And judging by this thread and so so so so many others, Scandinavians having a more civil society to a degree that it actually matters seems a pretty big stretch. I guess the internet and young people on the internet aren't the best standards to judge how civil a country is though.
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seedfreedom
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada38 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 16:00:08
April 24 2012 15:53 GMT
#200
This story seems way way too spun for it to be true. I've actually been in a similar situation but i didn't hit anyone and therefore nobody tried to hit me. What he should have done is slowed down, made sure he didn't hit anyone. Completely stopped the car when there was any sign he could hit someone, and rolled up the windows. Its common sense. if you slam on the gas when frightened you should not be behind the wheel, that is all. People, even drunks, don't randomly start smashing your car up, especially if they are trying to have a good time too. I find it hard to believe anything this article says and that any of it happened the way they paint it.

unless the guys rental car was a freaking porsche, he should have rolled up the windows, stay still and call the cops. you cannot justify running someone over.

Honestly the entire thing shows more about how people will blindly accept any story about how another nation is horrible without considering if the article makes any sense at all, rather than the failures of the legal system.
Madkipz
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Norway1643 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 16:12:12
April 24 2012 16:04 GMT
#201
On April 25 2012 00:53 seedfreedom wrote:
This story seems way way too spun for it to be true. I've actually been in a similar situation but i didn't hit anyone and therefore nobody tried to hit me. What he should have done is slowed down, made sure he didn't hit anyone. Completely stopped the car when there was any sign he could hit someone, and rolled up the windows. Its common sense. if you slam on the gas when frightened you should not be behind the wheel, that is all. People, even drunks, don't randomly start smashing your car up, especially if they are trying to have a good time too. I find it hard to believe anything this article says and that any of it happened the way they paint it.

Honestly the entire thing shows more about how people will blindly accept any story about how another nation is horrible without considering if the article makes any sense at all, rather than the failures of the legal system.


Well, unlike sensationalist media norwegian media tends to be fairly accurate.

Norwegians tend to be quite naive when travelling abroad and no question getting punched in the nose after being ganged upon is definately not something that is commonplace. It is not unlikely that his mother truly was intimidated and told her son to get out of there. Especially given that most sensationalist stories from the US tends to be centered around just that: Gang violence.

It is not the fault of USA that most of the time European media tends to center itself around the negative aspects of living in that particular nation so that people view their own continents in a better light.

That combined with the heated crowd and the violence initiated upon his person he did just that and then afterwards called the cops once he was distanced from the event. It might be wrong in hindsight and he should have just taken the abuse and later sued, but that isn`t a natural reaction to the situation that was at hand. Heck, at that particular moment he might have feared for his life and then hit the reverse in a panic.

"Mudkip"
seedfreedom
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada38 Posts
April 24 2012 16:12 GMT
#202
On April 25 2012 01:04 Madkipz wrote:


Well, unlike sensationalist media norwegian media tends to be fairly accurate.

i don't believe that for a second. no evidence at all supports that. nationalist pride exist everywhere.

On April 25 2012 01:04 Madkipz wrote:
Norwegians tend to be quite naive when travelling abroad and no question getting punched in the nose after being ganged upon is definately not something that is commonplace. It is not unlikely that his mother truly was intimidated and told her son to get out of there. Especially given that most sensationalist stories from the US tends to be centered around just that: Gang violence.

That combined with the heated crowd and the violence initiated upon his person he did just that and then afterwards called the cops once he was distanced from the event. It might be wrong in hindsight and he should have just taken the abuse and later sued, but that isn`t a natural reaction to the situation that was at hand. Heck, at that particular moment he might have feared for his life and then hit the reverse in a panic.



Doesnt justify it. Unless these guys had guns pointed at you, you are in a car. roll up the damn windows and wait it out. they cannot kill you, they can at the worst, punch you, and thats only if you leave the windows down. You are in a car. a very very small mistake ends lives. you have more control and they have more to lose. "with great power comes great responsibility."
Crushinator
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands2138 Posts
April 24 2012 16:19 GMT
#203
On April 25 2012 00:53 seedfreedom wrote:
This story seems way way too spun for it to be true. I've actually been in a similar situation but i didn't hit anyone and therefore nobody tried to hit me. What he should have done is slowed down, made sure he didn't hit anyone. Completely stopped the car when there was any sign he could hit someone, and rolled up the windows. Its common sense. if you slam on the gas when frightened you should not be behind the wheel, that is all. People, even drunks, don't randomly start smashing your car up, especially if they are trying to have a good time too. I find it hard to believe anything this article says and that any of it happened the way they paint it.

unless the guys rental car was a freaking porsche, he should have rolled up the windows, stay still and call the cops. you cannot justify running someone over.

Honestly the entire thing shows more about how people will blindly accept any story about how another nation is horrible without considering if the article makes any sense at all, rather than the failures of the legal system.


It should be common sense that mobs of drunk people that surround your car and punch you in the face, are actually quite likely to smash up your car. As far as I know there is no source at all that contradicts the portrayal of events in the article. Concluding that it must all be a lie, for no apparent reason, makes you atleast as stupid as the people you call out.
liberal
Profile Joined November 2011
1116 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 16:21:04
April 24 2012 16:19 GMT
#204
So two people rented a car, crashed it, rented a new car, turned the wrong way on a one way street, hit a curb and popped their tire, almost hit a hotdog stand with with a mother and her children, then got scared and hit two people with the car and drove away.

See this is called "spin." The media is god-mode with spin.
meadbert
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States681 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 16:42:36
April 24 2012 16:24 GMT
#205
First of all I have no reason to disbelieve the account given in the Norwegian paper. The story sounds plausible. This sounds like a misunderstanding that went very wrong. The Norwegian made mistakes both before and after being punched in the nose.

America takes driving infractions seriously. More people die from automobiles each year than guns, so reckless driving and hit and run are seen as serious crimes.

That said, being punched in the nose can cause poor judgment, so I would personally be forgiving of anyone who made a bad decision after being punched in the nose.

For those bashing Arizona and its politics in general, please keep in mind that this is Coconcino County, which is heavily not at all representative of the state. Obama won this county despite the fact that John McCain is from Arizona. The county has some Indian (Native American) Reservations in it so the population is like 25% Native American. The point is that the local politics are very different from the rest of the state, and appeals to the state may be this Norwegian's best hope.

EDIT: This might have happened in Navajo county which has an even higher Native American population.
seedfreedom
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada38 Posts
April 24 2012 16:26 GMT
#206
On April 25 2012 01:19 Crushinator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 00:53 seedfreedom wrote:
This story seems way way too spun for it to be true. I've actually been in a similar situation but i didn't hit anyone and therefore nobody tried to hit me. What he should have done is slowed down, made sure he didn't hit anyone. Completely stopped the car when there was any sign he could hit someone, and rolled up the windows. Its common sense. if you slam on the gas when frightened you should not be behind the wheel, that is all. People, even drunks, don't randomly start smashing your car up, especially if they are trying to have a good time too. I find it hard to believe anything this article says and that any of it happened the way they paint it.

unless the guys rental car was a freaking porsche, he should have rolled up the windows, stay still and call the cops. you cannot justify running someone over.

Honestly the entire thing shows more about how people will blindly accept any story about how another nation is horrible without considering if the article makes any sense at all, rather than the failures of the legal system.


It should be common sense that mobs of drunk people that surround your car and punch you in the face, are actually quite likely to smash up your car. As far as I know there is no source at all that contradicts the portrayal of events in the article. Concluding that it must all be a lie, for no apparent reason, makes you atleast as stupid as the people you call out.


No proof anything happened the way this article mentioned either. this article has a lot to gain by making the offender look innocent and not the other way around. Everything about they say seems to indicate he over reacted and hit someone. you are still in a safe vehicle. Like i said unless they are threatening you with guns, you have no reason to worry about your life. people outside the car however do. He was the one with more power and control in this situation and he didnt act appropriately.
Schnerf
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway3 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 16:29:42
April 24 2012 16:27 GMT
#207
American people must be proud of their IQ, the display of intelligence at the highest level of authority in that country is so supreme, if they add all the americans together then multiply it by their national debt, their IQ combined might even tip over to the double digits.
Greetings
freewareplayer
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany403 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 16:38:36
April 24 2012 16:31 GMT
#208
On April 25 2012 00:21 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 00:14 GrandMaPwnZ. wrote:
On April 24 2012 23:29 mbsupermario wrote:
I want to go to Norway and try to re-enact this scenario with the roles reversed. Any bets on whether or not I go to jail?


I don't think so. You would probably get a fine for reckless driving. I doubt anyone would punch you or try to surround your car. There is quite the difference in culture when it comes to aggresive behaviour in traffic. We very rarely have cases or road-rage and such.

It is not my intention to bash on the US, but you have to admit that there is quite a difference in culture in situations like these.

All it takes is a very small number of individuals in a crowd to turn that crowd into a mob, that's been proven again and again and nationality has nothing to do with it, all humans are susceptible to it if they're in a crowd. And the guy who punched him believed that his family was in danger, people don't react calmly in that kind of situation especially in the midst of an angry crowd.


Thats just admitting the driver shouldnt get a 5 years or more jailtime,
you just said yourself:

On April 25 2012 00:21 DeepElemBlues wrote:
people don't react calmly in that kind of situation especially in the midst of an angry crowd.


If that argument works for the dad, which family didnt get harmed, but only NEARLY got harmed, then it sure works for the guy who got punched in the face and then caused some minor injuries fleeing.
Even if the driver was (partially) at fault, as you said, noone would react calmly in an angry mob, especially not after being assaulted, and therefore shouldnt be judged as if he had all the time in the world to decide how to react.

It all keeps coming down to, that 5 years or more is way overboard, on top of that not even letting him out on bail.


Just try to seperate the "Lets bash USA people" from the people that think this particular situation is fked up, without having problems with the us in general.

On April 25 2012 01:26 seedfreedom wrote:

No proof anything happened the way this article mentioned either. this article has a lot to gain by making the offender look innocent and not the other way around. Everything about they say seems to indicate he over reacted and hit someone. you are still in a safe vehicle. Like i said unless they are threatening you with guns, you have no reason to worry about your life. people outside the car however do. He was the one with more power and control in this situation and he didnt act appropriately.

You honestly think a little bit of glass will keep you safe vs a mob? Seriously?
Unless your driving in a modified car, the window is piss poor easy to smash for one person alone already, that may safe you from a dog who doesnt know how to smash a window, but im pretty sure everything from an Ape upwards could still mess you up if it wanted to.

Also the Police call and Video proof parts of the article, altho not near everything.
nymfaw
Profile Joined November 2010
Norway430 Posts
April 24 2012 16:35 GMT
#209
On April 25 2012 00:53 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Show nested quote +
You can not compare European drinking culture to American. It's completely different. It's also proven that Europeans have a higher alcohol tolerance.

Still, this is so OT as it can get


Drinking culture has nothing to do with it, crowds with drunk people in them are the same everywhere. Give up the defensive superiority reflex already.


I dont agree with that at all. I can agree to some extent that it's not only the drinking culture is what makes the difference, but culture in general. I dont want to use any nations as examples, but people from certain ethnic groups tend to act way more aggressively then others and the threshold for starting a fight or whatever is much lower - Based on my own experience, alcohol does not always equalize these differences.

I also think it's a bit ignorant to deny that drinking culture dont make a difference. When you drink alot of alcohol your tolerance will be lower and thus you will act differently when you are drunk o_O no?
Everything will be ok in the end. if it's not ok, its not the end.
Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
April 24 2012 16:35 GMT
#210
Hmm. My first thought is what is wrong with this guy. A string of bad luck this bad must have some other explanation than him just being unlucky?
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seedfreedom
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada38 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 16:45:40
April 24 2012 16:44 GMT
#211
On April 25 2012 01:31 freewareplayer wrote:

You honestly think a little bit of glass will keep you safe vs a mob? Seriously?
Unless your driving in a modified car, the window is piss poor easy to smash for one person alone already, that may safe you from a dog who doesnt know how to smash a window, but im pretty sure everything from an Ape upwards could still mess you up if it wanted to.

Also the Police call and Video proof parts of the article, altho not near everything.


Just re-read the post to make sure. before being punched "people were making angry gestures at him". because angry gestures are surely going to cause bodily harm and warrants running people over. he nearly ran over a woman and kids before actually running over a couple of people. He wasnt respecting the car and the damage it can do. like i said, if they pulled guns on him or acutally smashed in his windows, maybe you wouldnt be thinking calmly but they were in no danger.

can i walk around waving a knife in a random crowd? when someone said "wtf dude" i shank them because, hey i felt threatened and they could have a gun or something right? you need to respect what harm you can do, what harm can come to you. you cant over react to every situation, cause harm in the process, then claim you felt threatened.
FuRRyChoBo
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States218 Posts
April 24 2012 16:47 GMT
#212
it's these sort of lawsuits that make me ashamed to be an american.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
April 24 2012 16:49 GMT
#213
On April 25 2012 01:47 FuRRyChoBo wrote:
it's these sort of lawsuits that make me ashamed to be an american.


If you're not living in Arizona there is really no reason, not like America's justice system is unified.
Zest fanboy.
CaptainCrush
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States785 Posts
April 24 2012 16:57 GMT
#214
On April 25 2012 01:04 Madkipz wrote:
Well, unlike sensationalist media norwegian media tends to be fairly accurate.


You're not the first Norwegian I've seen saying this in this thread.... news is always biased in some way. If you think that your particular channel or country is any differnet, then I think you're being a bit naive...

Norwegians tend to be quite naive


Oh wait, I guess you already know that then?
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
April 24 2012 16:58 GMT
#215
Haha i have a feeling this dudes "bad luck" is his own fault 95% of the time.
GrandMaPwnZ.
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway84 Posts
April 24 2012 17:05 GMT
#216
On April 25 2012 00:21 DeepElemBlues wrote:
I believe that if there was a crowd of drunken Norwegians they wouldn't act differently from a crowd of drunken Americans. There was a music festival going on, I doubt that the people there were sipping lemonade.


Well, I can guarantee you that you are wrong. I've been to numerous music festivals where alcohol is being consumed like it's air. There are still VERY little aggression. Even when fights breaks out, there are almost never more than 2-3 people getting involved and the fight is usually struck down by guards within seconds. People act like idiots all the time, but very seldom do anyone feel a need to intervene with aggresion and violence.

Last time I remember there was something that would get close to the definition of "mob" in Norway (if something like that happens it's instantly on the news) was when Anders Behring Breivik was brought to court the very first time. We also had problems with riots while the latest war between Palestine and Israel was waging, but 90 % of the mob was youth from the Middle East.
nymfaw
Profile Joined November 2010
Norway430 Posts
April 24 2012 17:08 GMT
#217
On April 25 2012 01:57 CaptainCrush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 01:04 Madkipz wrote:
Well, unlike sensationalist media norwegian media tends to be fairly accurate.


You're not the first Norwegian I've seen saying this in this thread.... news is always biased in some way. If you think that your particular channel or country is any differnet, then I think you're being a bit naive...

Show nested quote +
Norwegians tend to be quite naive


Oh wait, I guess you already know that then?


So true. Norwegian media is terrible and very left-wing. More or less all the journalist vote for socialist parties, it's a proven fact. There is 1 major newspaper that is more right-wingish but that's more like a economic newspaper, but they do mix in politics every now and then as well.
Everything will be ok in the end. if it's not ok, its not the end.
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
April 24 2012 17:13 GMT
#218
don't fuck with arizona, they actually seem to live in a different country than most of us.
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
April 24 2012 17:16 GMT
#219
This is terrible. Some one in fear for their life, causes a few minor injuries, and next thing you know they're the ones at fault. Unacceptable! Arizona is one of the toughest states on immigrants, and I can't help but feel sorry for the guy.
GrandMaPwnZ.
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway84 Posts
April 24 2012 17:16 GMT
#220
On April 25 2012 02:08 nymfaw wrote:
So true. Norwegian media is terrible and very left-wing. More or less all the journalist vote for socialist parties, it's a proven fact. There is 1 major newspaper that is more right-wingish but that's more like a economic newspaper, but they do mix in politics every now and then as well.


From a american point of view almost every party in Norway is left-wing so it's not a big surprise that media may be percieved as leftist. And adding to that journalism has always been big among leftists in Norway for some reason. I do have to disagree when you say media is terrible in Norway. I can agree that some of the largest newspaper (VG & Dagbladet) are very "tabloid", but when it comes to televised media (NRK & TV2) I believe they are very fair and balanced (lol).
McBengt
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1684 Posts
April 24 2012 17:18 GMT
#221
This story reminds me of the trial in Idiocracy for some reason.
"My twelve year old will out-reason Bill Maher when it comes to understanding, you know, what, uh, how to logic work" - Rick Santorum
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
April 24 2012 17:20 GMT
#222
Gee, this sounds completely reliable and definitely isn't a tabloid-quality shock story meant to allow Norwegians to get in their daily circlejerk about how shitty the US is.

If it really went down like the article says it did, not even Arizona would do something like that. Pull your heads out of your asses please. I'll bet if someone published an article saying that a little boy got 10 years in prison for littering a gum wrapper in America, half of you would believe it.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
Opeasy
Profile Joined August 2011
107 Posts
April 24 2012 17:20 GMT
#223
On April 25 2012 01:57 CaptainCrush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 01:04 Madkipz wrote:
Well, unlike sensationalist media norwegian media tends to be fairly accurate.


You're not the first Norwegian I've seen saying this in this thread.... news is always biased in some way. If you think that your particular channel or country is any differnet, then I think you're being a bit naive...

Show nested quote +
Norwegians tend to be quite naive


Oh wait, I guess you already know that then?


I don't think naive is the right word. Norwegians like to think the best of people, and we also hope people will think the best of us. That is a quality I am proud to have. Calling us naive, is not very nice.
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
April 24 2012 17:22 GMT
#224
Those kind of news make me sad..... Can't believe people treat others like this.
bennyboi
Profile Joined November 2011
Norway2 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 17:27:05
April 24 2012 17:23 GMT
#225
The case is beeing livestreamed right now at ustream for anyone interested.
GrandMaPwnZ.
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway84 Posts
April 24 2012 17:24 GMT
#226
On April 25 2012 02:20 Opeasy wrote:
I don't think naive is the right word. Norwegians like to think the best of people, and we also hope people will think the best of us. That is a quality I am proud to have. Calling us naive, is not very nice.


It may not be very nice, but it's to some extent true. Many tourist just doesn't think to adapt their behaviour in accordance to the country and culture they are in. Sometimes it's considered naive, and other times it's considered rude. It goes both ways.
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 17:25:19
April 24 2012 17:24 GMT
#227
On April 25 2012 02:20 Hinanawi wrote:
Gee, this sounds completely reliable and definitely isn't a tabloid-quality shock story meant to allow Norwegians to get in their daily circlejerk about how shitty the US is.

If it really went down like the article says it did, not even Arizona would do something like that. Pull your heads out of your asses please. I'll bet if someone published an article saying that a little boy got 10 years in prison for littering a gum wrapper in America, half of you would believe it.


They also like to look at only the absolute maximum people could possibly get for something, before the case is even overlooked by a judge, and think that's what people ARE going to get.

It's like when Mitt Romney was glitter bombed. The angst filled people reading it on TL saw something like 6 months in jail for whatever he was initially charged with, and thought that's what the person was getting. The US is so barbaric!!! In reality the judge threw out the charge and gave him a misdemeanor, as everyone sensible knew would happen.
Cutlery
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway565 Posts
April 24 2012 17:25 GMT
#228
On April 25 2012 01:04 Madkipz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 00:53 seedfreedom wrote:
This story seems way way too spun for it to be true. I've actually been in a similar situation but i didn't hit anyone and therefore nobody tried to hit me. What he should have done is slowed down, made sure he didn't hit anyone. Completely stopped the car when there was any sign he could hit someone, and rolled up the windows. Its common sense. if you slam on the gas when frightened you should not be behind the wheel, that is all. People, even drunks, don't randomly start smashing your car up, especially if they are trying to have a good time too. I find it hard to believe anything this article says and that any of it happened the way they paint it.

Honestly the entire thing shows more about how people will blindly accept any story about how another nation is horrible without considering if the article makes any sense at all, rather than the failures of the legal system.


Well, unlike sensationalist media norwegian media tends to be fairly accurate.



SOrry, but no. Tabloids lie and make up stories here aswell. Obviously this isn't entirely made up; as there is an interview with him behind bars. And it sounds like something from a very bad dream. . . but what's up with him getting kicked out of school for being a terrorist, and getting randomly beat up outside.. and now this? Is it a grand series of unfortunate events, or is there something strange about this guy?

Either way, someone hurt their pinky toe; can't give him 5 years for that...........
GrandMaPwnZ.
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway84 Posts
April 24 2012 17:28 GMT
#229
On April 25 2012 02:24 DannyJ wrote:
They also like to look at only the absolute maximum people could possibly get for something, before the case is even overlooked by a judge, and think that's what people ARE going to get.

It's like when Mitt Romney was glitter bombed. The angst filled people reading it on TL saw something like 6 months in jail for whatever he was initially charged with, and thought that's what the person was getting. The US is so barbaric!!! In reality the judge threw out the charge and gave him a misdemeanor, as everyone sensible knew would happen.


I believe the sentence could be from 5-35 years. 5 years minimum is quite a lot.
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
April 24 2012 17:35 GMT
#230
On April 25 2012 02:28 GrandMaPwnZ. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 02:24 DannyJ wrote:
They also like to look at only the absolute maximum people could possibly get for something, before the case is even overlooked by a judge, and think that's what people ARE going to get.

It's like when Mitt Romney was glitter bombed. The angst filled people reading it on TL saw something like 6 months in jail for whatever he was initially charged with, and thought that's what the person was getting. The US is so barbaric!!! In reality the judge threw out the charge and gave him a misdemeanor, as everyone sensible knew would happen.


I believe the sentence could be from 5-35 years. 5 years minimum is quite a lot.


IF CONVICTED. Do I need to make a flowchart? I can draw one in MS Paint if this is difficult to grasp, but for now I'll just type this:

===
For each charge (may be multiple of varying severity),

Is client guilty of charge?

If yes ---> (minimum) to (maximum) years in prison
If no ---> charge thrown out
===

But yeah, it's okay. To people reading this tabloid garbage, he's apparently already been found guilty of the most serious charge and he's serving 5-35 years in prison, what a fascist hellhole Amurikkka is.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 17:40:47
April 24 2012 17:36 GMT
#231
On April 25 2012 02:28 GrandMaPwnZ. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 02:24 DannyJ wrote:
They also like to look at only the absolute maximum people could possibly get for something, before the case is even overlooked by a judge, and think that's what people ARE going to get.

It's like when Mitt Romney was glitter bombed. The angst filled people reading it on TL saw something like 6 months in jail for whatever he was initially charged with, and thought that's what the person was getting. The US is so barbaric!!! In reality the judge threw out the charge and gave him a misdemeanor, as everyone sensible knew would happen.


I believe the sentence could be from 5-35 years. 5 years minimum is quite a lot.


Well, I'm not directly referring to this cause, but once again im pretty sure it's people don't understand whats going on, and just focus on some arbitrary number. There is absolutely no way in hell this dude got charged with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon if he just ran over someones toe. Thats also IF it stands. The glitter bombers didnt stand.
PraccOrc
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway16 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 17:52:41
April 24 2012 17:43 GMT
#232
On April 25 2012 02:35 Hinanawi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 02:28 GrandMaPwnZ. wrote:
On April 25 2012 02:24 DannyJ wrote:
They also like to look at only the absolute maximum people could possibly get for something, before the case is even overlooked by a judge, and think that's what people ARE going to get.

It's like when Mitt Romney was glitter bombed. The angst filled people reading it on TL saw something like 6 months in jail for whatever he was initially charged with, and thought that's what the person was getting. The US is so barbaric!!! In reality the judge threw out the charge and gave him a misdemeanor, as everyone sensible knew would happen.


I believe the sentence could be from 5-35 years. 5 years minimum is quite a lot.


IF CONVICTED. Do I need to make a flowchart? I can draw one in MS Paint if this is difficult to grasp, but for now I'll just type this:

===
For each charge (may be multiple of varying severity),

Is client guilty of charge?

If yes ---> (minimum) to (maximum) years in prison
If no ---> charge thrown out
===

But yeah, it's okay. To people reading this tabloid garbage, he's apparently already been found guilty of the most serious charge and he's serving 5-35 years in prison, what a fascist hellhole Amurikkka is.


According to vg.no he has already been found guilty, they are now finding out what sentence he should get.
Livestream from the trial: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/thomasnilsson (very laggy atm!).
Edit: new stream link: http://www.vgtv.no/#!id=52167
Reapafied
Profile Joined February 2011
65 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 17:48:35
April 24 2012 17:47 GMT
#233
I'm shocked so many people accept this story at face value with nearly no sources or other sides to the story.. Whats wrong with you guys? This whole thing feels more like people just wanting something to hate or someone to feel sorry for. The story in that article would be laughed at in a court due to there being no sources and no opposing viewpoints at all. I'm not saying this story is true or false but I have a very very hard time seeing how its as cut and dry as people think it is.. there HAS to be more to this as there is in every situation. I lived in flagstaff for 6 years, I have a hard time believing people there would just randomly "gang up" on this person and attack them without a damn damn good reason. This feels more like an excuses to hate the "ignorant americans" then anything else.
theBOOCH
Profile Joined November 2010
United States832 Posts
April 24 2012 17:49 GMT
#234
Wow... I don't know if this is a failure of the law or of human beings in general. I went the wrong way down a 1 way street once almost went through the wall of a building... the people around there were helpful, though, not crazy assholes. Imagine if I went to jail for that shit?
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Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
April 24 2012 17:50 GMT
#235
On April 25 2012 02:43 PraccOrc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 02:35 Hinanawi wrote:
On April 25 2012 02:28 GrandMaPwnZ. wrote:
On April 25 2012 02:24 DannyJ wrote:
They also like to look at only the absolute maximum people could possibly get for something, before the case is even overlooked by a judge, and think that's what people ARE going to get.

It's like when Mitt Romney was glitter bombed. The angst filled people reading it on TL saw something like 6 months in jail for whatever he was initially charged with, and thought that's what the person was getting. The US is so barbaric!!! In reality the judge threw out the charge and gave him a misdemeanor, as everyone sensible knew would happen.


I believe the sentence could be from 5-35 years. 5 years minimum is quite a lot.


IF CONVICTED. Do I need to make a flowchart? I can draw one in MS Paint if this is difficult to grasp, but for now I'll just type this:

===
For each charge (may be multiple of varying severity),

Is client guilty of charge?

If yes ---> (minimum) to (maximum) years in prison
If no ---> charge thrown out
===

But yeah, it's okay. To people reading this tabloid garbage, he's apparently already been found guilty of the most serious charge and he's serving 5-35 years in prison, what a fascist hellhole Amurikkka is.


According to vg.no he has already been found guilty, they are now finding out what sentence he should get.
Livestream from the trial: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/thomasnilsson (very laggy atm!).


Does it say what he was found guilty of, and the rationale for it? Also, does it go into more detail about him getting kicked out of school for suspicion of 'terrorism' in 2002? I mean maybe that would be a good story about evil racists if he was arab, but this is a chubby white kid, I don't get it.

Also yeah, that stream is skipping constantly for me and I can't hear anything.

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stormssc
Profile Joined September 2009
Poland125 Posts
April 24 2012 17:52 GMT
#236
Every time I hop on teamliquid, I see a thread about something stupid happening in the US. EVERY TIME.
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
April 24 2012 17:54 GMT
#237
Nothing suprises me anymore in the US.. anything can happen!
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Reapafied
Profile Joined February 2011
65 Posts
April 24 2012 17:55 GMT
#238
On April 25 2012 02:52 stormssc wrote:
Every time I hop on teamliquid, I see a thread about something stupid happening in the US. EVERY TIME.


And you probably believe most of them without ever checking for basic sources. Not trying to knock you personally just the over all tone coming from people posting and reading these threads.
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
April 24 2012 17:56 GMT
#239
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck but no one can convict a US soldier not even if he rapes your daughter, kills a family or kills your president.. lolol

This is not a bash, this is the truth..

They are the world police, unfortunatly they are not the brightest of fairest or even a clean police..

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Undrass
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway381 Posts
April 24 2012 17:58 GMT
#240
On April 25 2012 02:50 Hinanawi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 02:43 PraccOrc wrote:
On April 25 2012 02:35 Hinanawi wrote:
On April 25 2012 02:28 GrandMaPwnZ. wrote:
On April 25 2012 02:24 DannyJ wrote:
They also like to look at only the absolute maximum people could possibly get for something, before the case is even overlooked by a judge, and think that's what people ARE going to get.

It's like when Mitt Romney was glitter bombed. The angst filled people reading it on TL saw something like 6 months in jail for whatever he was initially charged with, and thought that's what the person was getting. The US is so barbaric!!! In reality the judge threw out the charge and gave him a misdemeanor, as everyone sensible knew would happen.


I believe the sentence could be from 5-35 years. 5 years minimum is quite a lot.


IF CONVICTED. Do I need to make a flowchart? I can draw one in MS Paint if this is difficult to grasp, but for now I'll just type this:

===
For each charge (may be multiple of varying severity),

Is client guilty of charge?

If yes ---> (minimum) to (maximum) years in prison
If no ---> charge thrown out
===

But yeah, it's okay. To people reading this tabloid garbage, he's apparently already been found guilty of the most serious charge and he's serving 5-35 years in prison, what a fascist hellhole Amurikkka is.


According to vg.no he has already been found guilty, they are now finding out what sentence he should get.
Livestream from the trial: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/thomasnilsson (very laggy atm!).


Does it say what he was found guilty of, and the rationale for it? Also, does it go into more detail about him getting kicked out of school for suspicion of 'terrorism' in 2002? I mean maybe that would be a good story about evil racists if he was arab, but this is a chubby white kid, I don't get it.

Also yeah, that stream is skipping constantly for me and I can't hear anything.



He was taking a biochemistry class. After 9/11 the University of South Alabama in Mobile was afraid of more terrorism. Larsgard, being a foreigner with access to dangerous material in the labs, was therefore a obvious threat. They were basically concerned that he would poison the water-supply of a city. Thus, Larsgard was kicked out of that class because he could be a terrorist, because he was a foreigner.

Larsgard later sued the university and won the case.

http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/2001/10/12/287340.html
Zythius
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Norway94 Posts
April 24 2012 17:59 GMT
#241
This case is ridicilous. Why would he try to murder random people? Even the guy beating on his face?! WHY?! There is no reason why.

I'm sorry guys, but this could only have happened in a country where basic instincts trumps intelligence. I mean, who the f*** attacks people for driving in the wrong lane on a calm street? How much more of a cowboy could you be?!

Reminds me of something I watched on wire tap laws. In most states you can film police officers, but in some states there are wire tap laws the the prosecutors managed to apply to cover simple on-the-street A/V recording of an officer. And the sentences are horrendous.

I sure hope we have some sensible young americans on TL that will grow up and be americas next leaders - in a good way.
PraccOrc
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway16 Posts
April 24 2012 17:59 GMT
#242
On April 25 2012 02:50 Hinanawi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 02:43 PraccOrc wrote:
On April 25 2012 02:35 Hinanawi wrote:
On April 25 2012 02:28 GrandMaPwnZ. wrote:
On April 25 2012 02:24 DannyJ wrote:
They also like to look at only the absolute maximum people could possibly get for something, before the case is even overlooked by a judge, and think that's what people ARE going to get.

It's like when Mitt Romney was glitter bombed. The angst filled people reading it on TL saw something like 6 months in jail for whatever he was initially charged with, and thought that's what the person was getting. The US is so barbaric!!! In reality the judge threw out the charge and gave him a misdemeanor, as everyone sensible knew would happen.


I believe the sentence could be from 5-35 years. 5 years minimum is quite a lot.


IF CONVICTED. Do I need to make a flowchart? I can draw one in MS Paint if this is difficult to grasp, but for now I'll just type this:

===
For each charge (may be multiple of varying severity),

Is client guilty of charge?

If yes ---> (minimum) to (maximum) years in prison
If no ---> charge thrown out
===

But yeah, it's okay. To people reading this tabloid garbage, he's apparently already been found guilty of the most serious charge and he's serving 5-35 years in prison, what a fascist hellhole Amurikkka is.


According to vg.no he has already been found guilty, they are now finding out what sentence he should get.
Livestream from the trial: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/thomasnilsson (very laggy atm!).


Does it say what he was found guilty of, and the rationale for it? Also, does it go into more detail about him getting kicked out of school for suspicion of 'terrorism' in 2002? I mean maybe that would be a good story about evil racists if he was arab, but this is a chubby white kid, I don't get it.

Also yeah, that stream is skipping constantly for me and I can't hear anything.



From vg.no:
"33-åringen er allerede funnet skyldig i legemsbeskadigelse med dødelig våpen - mot seks amerikanere, derav indirekte to små barn."

The 33-year old is already found guilty for assault with a deadly weapon against six Americans, including two young children indirectly.
dofz
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway98 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 18:06:09
April 24 2012 18:04 GMT
#243
I'm listening to the stream atm, and who is the woman speaking now that is saying UMM UMMM, and now she's saying "I was trying to help him" and then he responded with IM GOING TO KILL YOU, UMMM UMM.

If anything I've read about this case it's true it'a a god damn joke, but then again it's hard to believe it all, because it seems so absurd. LOL and just now she purposed that he should be found guilty for the cases consecutive, that means 35 years or whatever.

Ok nevermind she was just a witness, I still got stupider listening to it.
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Zythius
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Norway94 Posts
April 24 2012 18:05 GMT
#244
Oh really, the woman is crying on ustream now... Really... Really!!!! And now she forgives him,too. I wish I had witnessed this event, because I would really like to know how it all played out. She acts like he is a blood thirsty murderer!
Jongl0
Profile Joined June 2011
631 Posts
April 24 2012 18:07 GMT
#245
This seems too unbelievable to be true, just so stupid.
Ympulse
Profile Joined August 2010
United States287 Posts
April 24 2012 18:09 GMT
#246
This is absolutely asinine. The whole thing. I'm at a lack of words for just how insane this is.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
April 24 2012 18:10 GMT
#247
On April 25 2012 02:56 shell wrote:
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck


Driving the wrong way down a one way street, continuing to drive down that one way street as people get agitated at you, and then nearly running people over after the people get violent, followed up by causing actual bodily harm to two people, is not bad luck. It's called stupidity. This kid doesn't deserve to go to jail, and I'm sure most of what happened was caused by his panic, but twisting the story into, "this kid had bad luck so the US threw him in prison," is worse than the spin of American media.

It sucks that this happened but it's Arizona. I'm not exactly impressed with how they handle foreigners over the last two to three years. For people leveling criticisms against America as a whole, fuck off. Your country isn't perfect either. There are plenty of states where cases like this wouldn't happen and basing your entire opinion of this situation off of Norweigan media seems kind of silly anyways. It's extremely probable that the Norweigan sources we have for this are just the guy's testimony anyways.
Smat
Profile Joined January 2011
United States301 Posts
April 24 2012 18:18 GMT
#248
On April 25 2012 03:10 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 02:56 shell wrote:
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck


Driving the wrong way down a one way street, continuing to drive down that one way street as people get agitated at you, and then nearly running people over after the people get violent, followed up by causing actual bodily harm to two people, is not bad luck. It's called stupidity. This kid doesn't deserve to go to jail, and I'm sure most of what happened was caused by his panic, but twisting the story into, "this kid had bad luck so the US threw him in prison," is worse than the spin of American media.

It sucks that this happened but it's Arizona. I'm not exactly impressed with how they handle foreigners over the last two to three years. For people leveling criticisms against America as a whole, fuck off. Your country isn't perfect either. There are plenty of states where cases like this wouldn't happen and basing your entire opinion of this situation off of Norweigan media seems kind of silly anyways. It's extremely probable that the Norweigan sources we have for this are just the guy's testimony anyways.


Turns out hes 33. You would think an adult would have more composure in a situation and try not to drive through a crowd of people. Seriously, try stoping and asking for help.
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
April 24 2012 18:18 GMT
#249
Hmm, the fact that he left the scene of injury he said he knew happened is not good for him.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
April 24 2012 18:20 GMT
#250
On April 25 2012 03:18 Smat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 03:10 overt wrote:
On April 25 2012 02:56 shell wrote:
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck


Driving the wrong way down a one way street, continuing to drive down that one way street as people get agitated at you, and then nearly running people over after the people get violent, followed up by causing actual bodily harm to two people, is not bad luck. It's called stupidity. This kid doesn't deserve to go to jail, and I'm sure most of what happened was caused by his panic, but twisting the story into, "this kid had bad luck so the US threw him in prison," is worse than the spin of American media.

It sucks that this happened but it's Arizona. I'm not exactly impressed with how they handle foreigners over the last two to three years. For people leveling criticisms against America as a whole, fuck off. Your country isn't perfect either. There are plenty of states where cases like this wouldn't happen and basing your entire opinion of this situation off of Norweigan media seems kind of silly anyways. It's extremely probable that the Norweigan sources we have for this are just the guy's testimony anyways.


Turns out hes 33. You would think an adult would have more composure in a situation and try not to drive through a crowd of people. Seriously, try stoping and asking for help.


Ultimately he was extremely negligent and probably a bit scared if his story is 100% true. I don't think he deserves to spend five years in prison. But I think people are painting this in a way that makes America look awful while ignoring the fact that he could've killed someone.
Zythius
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Norway94 Posts
April 24 2012 18:22 GMT
#251
On April 25 2012 03:10 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 02:56 shell wrote:
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck


Driving the wrong way down a one way street, continuing to drive down that one way street as people get agitated at you, and then nearly running people over after the people get violent, followed up by causing actual bodily harm to two people, is not bad luck. It's called stupidity. This kid doesn't deserve to go to jail, and I'm sure most of what happened was caused by his panic, but twisting the story into, "this kid had bad luck so the US threw him in prison," is worse than the spin of American media.

It sucks that this happened but it's Arizona. I'm not exactly impressed with how they handle foreigners over the last two to three years. For people leveling criticisms against America as a whole, fuck off. Your country isn't perfect either. There are plenty of states where cases like this wouldn't happen and basing your entire opinion of this situation off of Norweigan media seems kind of silly anyways. It's extremely probable that the Norweigan sources we have for this are just the guy's testimony anyways.


You make it seem like driving the wrong way in a calm little street is a good enough reason for one to assault people. Guess what? It isn't.

You also talk about "bodily harm" - all I heard was one person getting their toes rolled over because they A) were unlucky or B) were attempting to assault Larsgard together with Mendoza.

Grow the fuck up. When people drive the wrong way you yell at them and wave your arms, you don't assault them and brake their nose. I wish I was there to see the entire situation unfold - now I have to watch the ustream and read the media.
dofz
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway98 Posts
April 24 2012 18:23 GMT
#252
Hmm, stream shutdown. The state attorney is asking for the sentence to be served as a consecutive punishment thingy, does that mean they're asking for 5+5+5+5+5 etc? Or how does it work?
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Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
April 24 2012 18:23 GMT
#253
Speaking of the ustream trial, I was straining my ears at 100% volume trying to listen to the prosecutor when the streamer made it password-protected.
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DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
April 24 2012 18:24 GMT
#254
On April 25 2012 03:22 Zythius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 03:10 overt wrote:
On April 25 2012 02:56 shell wrote:
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck


Driving the wrong way down a one way street, continuing to drive down that one way street as people get agitated at you, and then nearly running people over after the people get violent, followed up by causing actual bodily harm to two people, is not bad luck. It's called stupidity. This kid doesn't deserve to go to jail, and I'm sure most of what happened was caused by his panic, but twisting the story into, "this kid had bad luck so the US threw him in prison," is worse than the spin of American media.

It sucks that this happened but it's Arizona. I'm not exactly impressed with how they handle foreigners over the last two to three years. For people leveling criticisms against America as a whole, fuck off. Your country isn't perfect either. There are plenty of states where cases like this wouldn't happen and basing your entire opinion of this situation off of Norweigan media seems kind of silly anyways. It's extremely probable that the Norweigan sources we have for this are just the guy's testimony anyways.


You make it seem like driving the wrong way in a calm little street is a good enough reason for one to assault people. Guess what? It isn't.

You also talk about "bodily harm" - all I heard was one person getting their toes rolled over because they A) were unlucky or B) were attempting to assault Larsgard together with Mendoza.

Grow the fuck up. When people drive the wrong way you yell at them and wave your arms, you don't assault them and brake their nose. I wish I was there to see the entire situation unfold - now I have to watch the ustream and read the media.


Um... since when is a festival crowded with people a "calm little street"?
TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 18:26:46
April 24 2012 18:25 GMT
#255
On April 25 2012 03:10 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 02:56 shell wrote:
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck


Driving the wrong way down a one way street, continuing to drive down that one way street as people get agitated at you, and then nearly running people over after the people get violent, followed up by causing actual bodily harm to two people, is not bad luck. It's called stupidity.


Actually the fact that he drove over someone's foot then sped away is probably the bigger issue. I'm willing to bet he gets off with a slap on the writs, if he gets any jail time at all it will be very short, more likely he will end up on probation with community service. Even in Arizona, no judge in their right mind is going to give him 35 years in prison for this, that's just the maximum possible penalty. Use your brains guys.

This is another instance where people want to get all up in arms and overreact over something relatively mild. Guy wasn't paying attention where he was going, drove dangerously, caused some injuries, fled the scene. Now he's going to get a big fine and probably end up on probation for most of his sentence..... So what's the big deal here....?

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woody60707
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1863 Posts
April 24 2012 18:25 GMT
#256
Yep. The news story didn't say how he left the sense of the accident with out checking if the people he hit were ok. It also seems like one of the reason he was found guilty was because he was making contradictory statements (The mean way to say that would be to call that lying).
woody60707
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1863 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 18:30:35
April 24 2012 18:28 GMT
#257
On April 25 2012 03:25 TheToast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 03:10 overt wrote:
On April 25 2012 02:56 shell wrote:
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck


Driving the wrong way down a one way street, continuing to drive down that one way street as people get agitated at you, and then nearly running people over after the people get violent, followed up by causing actual bodily harm to two people, is not bad luck. It's called stupidity.


Actually the fact that he drove over someone's foot then sped away is probably the bigger issue. I'm willing to bet he gets off with a slap on the writs, if he gets any jail time at all it will be very short, more likely he will end up on probation with community service. Even in Arizona, no judge in their right mind is going to give him 35 years in prison for this, that's just the maximum possible penalty. Use your brains guys.

This is another instance where people want to get all up in arms and overreact over something relatively mild. Guy wasn't paying attention where he was going, drove dangerously, caused some injuries, fled the scene. Now he's going to get a big fine and probably end up on probation..... So what's the big deal here....?



Already found guilty. 5 years is the min. Now the news story is very bias. He hit kids and sped away with out a care if he killed anyone or not.

Yes, you should get jail time for hit and runs.
Zythius
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Norway94 Posts
April 24 2012 18:29 GMT
#258
On April 25 2012 03:24 DannyJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 03:22 Zythius wrote:
On April 25 2012 03:10 overt wrote:
On April 25 2012 02:56 shell wrote:
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck


Driving the wrong way down a one way street, continuing to drive down that one way street as people get agitated at you, and then nearly running people over after the people get violent, followed up by causing actual bodily harm to two people, is not bad luck. It's called stupidity. This kid doesn't deserve to go to jail, and I'm sure most of what happened was caused by his panic, but twisting the story into, "this kid had bad luck so the US threw him in prison," is worse than the spin of American media.

It sucks that this happened but it's Arizona. I'm not exactly impressed with how they handle foreigners over the last two to three years. For people leveling criticisms against America as a whole, fuck off. Your country isn't perfect either. There are plenty of states where cases like this wouldn't happen and basing your entire opinion of this situation off of Norweigan media seems kind of silly anyways. It's extremely probable that the Norweigan sources we have for this are just the guy's testimony anyways.


You make it seem like driving the wrong way in a calm little street is a good enough reason for one to assault people. Guess what? It isn't.

You also talk about "bodily harm" - all I heard was one person getting their toes rolled over because they A) were unlucky or B) were attempting to assault Larsgard together with Mendoza.

Grow the fuck up. When people drive the wrong way you yell at them and wave your arms, you don't assault them and brake their nose. I wish I was there to see the entire situation unfold - now I have to watch the ustream and read the media.


Um... since when is a festival crowded with people a "calm little street"?



Um.. Have you actually seen the police videos? There ain't nobody but police and a couple of bystanders there. The festival-goers must have left in a hurry (or maybe they were in a different location all together).

I think I know why he got convicted. He is an overweight, insecure and probably somewhat weird person that is scared to death, and he made some stupid statements in court because of that. Justice isn't the same for everyone: it depends on how much a people person you are.
silynxer
Profile Joined April 2006
Germany439 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 18:32:08
April 24 2012 18:30 GMT
#259
On April 25 2012 03:28 woody60707 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 03:25 TheToast wrote:
On April 25 2012 03:10 overt wrote:
On April 25 2012 02:56 shell wrote:
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck


Driving the wrong way down a one way street, continuing to drive down that one way street as people get agitated at you, and then nearly running people over after the people get violent, followed up by causing actual bodily harm to two people, is not bad luck. It's called stupidity.


Actually the fact that he drove over someone's foot then sped away is probably the bigger issue. I'm willing to bet he gets off with a slap on the writs, if he gets any jail time at all it will be very short, more likely he will end up on probation with community service. Even in Arizona, no judge in their right mind is going to give him 35 years in prison for this, that's just the maximum possible penalty. Use your brains guys.

This is another instance where people want to get all up in arms and overreact over something relatively mild. Guy wasn't paying attention where he was going, drove dangerously, caused some injuries, fled the scene. Now he's going to get a big fine and probably end up on probation..... So what's the big deal here....?



Already found guilty. 5 years is the min. Now the news story is very bias. He hit kids and sped away with out a care if he killed anyone or not.

Yes, you should get jail time for hit and runs.

Wait, he felt threatened/was assaulted fled for that reason, caused injuries while doing so and should be held liable for not checking if the injured were alright (at the place he fled from)?! Haha you guys.
freewareplayer
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany403 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 18:34:37
April 24 2012 18:31 GMT
#260
On April 25 2012 03:25 woody60707 wrote:
Yep. The news story didn't say how he left the sense of the accident with out checking if the people he hit were ok. It also seems like one of the reason he was found guilty was because he was making contradictory statements (The mean way to say that would be to call that lying).


Yeh going back to the mob that just bashed your face in, to check up if they are all in good shape seems like a really smart idea. Try to pretend its you in that situation, your not going back there, thats a bigger level of stupid than the level thats already required to get into that stupid situation.

Surely that guy is at fault here too, but again, those charges are a bad bad bad joke.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
April 24 2012 18:32 GMT
#261
On April 25 2012 03:25 TheToast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 03:10 overt wrote:
On April 25 2012 02:56 shell wrote:
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck


Driving the wrong way down a one way street, continuing to drive down that one way street as people get agitated at you, and then nearly running people over after the people get violent, followed up by causing actual bodily harm to two people, is not bad luck. It's called stupidity.


Actually the fact that he drove over someone's foot then sped away is probably the bigger issue. I'm willing to bet he gets off with a slap on the writs, if he gets any jail time at all it will be very short, more likely he will end up on probation with community service. Even in Arizona, no judge in their right mind is going to give him 35 years in prison for this, that's just the maximum possible penalty. Use your brains guys.

This is another instance where people want to get all up in arms and overreact over something relatively mild. Guy wasn't paying attention where he was going, drove dangerously, caused some injuries, fled the scene. Now he's going to get a big fine and probably end up on probation for most of his sentence..... So what's the big deal here....?



The thing about it is there's only one story that we can actually read. Assuming it's completely true he began driving down the wrong way of a one-way street, people started yelling at him, he continued driving down the one-way street, and then people surrounded his car. He then backed up quickly, nearly hit a hot dog stand, and it was at this point that the crowd became physically violent.

But yeah, him running over someone's toe is probably what the prosecution is going after.

On this day, the annual music festival was going on in Winslow. John mistakenly turns into Winslow´s 2. street going the wrong way down the one way street full of people enjoying the festivities. John drives slowly but some people still hurl abuse and make threatening gestures towards the car.

When he tried to turn into the Auto Shop where his Volvo was towed, a crowd surrounded the car and his mother panicked and told him to get out of there. He backed up against a curb and got a flat tire. He stopped a few meters away from a hot dog stand. There is a woman and her kids inside the hot dog stand, the car never made any contact with them or the stand. Many of the witnessess thinks this is deadly dangerous driving. They drive around the block, enter 2. street the right way and stop. The car is surrounded by people. Michael Mendoza, saw what happened from his store and had chased the car around the block thinking John had attemted to kill his wife and children. John has the window rolled down and is reciving verbal abuse when Mendoza shows up and punches John in the face, spewing blood all over the steeringwheel, breaking his nose.


Assuming this is all translated properly then I don't think anyone should be surprised that he was arrested. He acted stupid. He was negligent. The crowd didn't get violent until they felt threatened by his driving. Should he spend five years in prison? No, I don't believe he should. But is this some case of a kid with bad luck who's the victim of a scandal? Probably not.
Voltaire
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1485 Posts
April 24 2012 18:33 GMT
#262
A prosecutor will try to get the most they can out of any case.

I highly doubt this guy will suffer anything greater than a hefty fine.
As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 24 2012 18:33 GMT
#263
He called 911 and told them what was up so he did show interest for the victims of his somewhat reckless driving in the aftermath of getting punched in the face.

Man this is dumb.

I don't know why people are calling him a "kid" though, since he is apparently 33 years old.
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TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
April 24 2012 18:33 GMT
#264
On April 25 2012 03:28 woody60707 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 03:25 TheToast wrote:
On April 25 2012 03:10 overt wrote:
On April 25 2012 02:56 shell wrote:
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck


Driving the wrong way down a one way street, continuing to drive down that one way street as people get agitated at you, and then nearly running people over after the people get violent, followed up by causing actual bodily harm to two people, is not bad luck. It's called stupidity.


Actually the fact that he drove over someone's foot then sped away is probably the bigger issue. I'm willing to bet he gets off with a slap on the writs, if he gets any jail time at all it will be very short, more likely he will end up on probation with community service. Even in Arizona, no judge in their right mind is going to give him 35 years in prison for this, that's just the maximum possible penalty. Use your brains guys.

This is another instance where people want to get all up in arms and overreact over something relatively mild. Guy wasn't paying attention where he was going, drove dangerously, caused some injuries, fled the scene. Now he's going to get a big fine and probably end up on probation..... So what's the big deal here....?



Already found guilty. 5 years is the min. Now the news story is very bias. He hit kids and sped away with out a care if he killed anyone or not.

Yes, you should get jail time for hit and runs.


Just because someone gets sentenced to 5 years doesn't actually mean they end up serving that much. A lot of states have programs like anger management or drug rehab programs that can knock off a few years if inmates participate. Good behavior and the like can also see people paroled much earlier. It might be different in Arizona, but I would be a bit surprised if he spent a full 5 years behind bars.
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DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
April 24 2012 18:34 GMT
#265
On April 25 2012 03:29 Zythius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 03:24 DannyJ wrote:
On April 25 2012 03:22 Zythius wrote:
On April 25 2012 03:10 overt wrote:
On April 25 2012 02:56 shell wrote:
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck


Driving the wrong way down a one way street, continuing to drive down that one way street as people get agitated at you, and then nearly running people over after the people get violent, followed up by causing actual bodily harm to two people, is not bad luck. It's called stupidity. This kid doesn't deserve to go to jail, and I'm sure most of what happened was caused by his panic, but twisting the story into, "this kid had bad luck so the US threw him in prison," is worse than the spin of American media.

It sucks that this happened but it's Arizona. I'm not exactly impressed with how they handle foreigners over the last two to three years. For people leveling criticisms against America as a whole, fuck off. Your country isn't perfect either. There are plenty of states where cases like this wouldn't happen and basing your entire opinion of this situation off of Norweigan media seems kind of silly anyways. It's extremely probable that the Norweigan sources we have for this are just the guy's testimony anyways.


You make it seem like driving the wrong way in a calm little street is a good enough reason for one to assault people. Guess what? It isn't.

You also talk about "bodily harm" - all I heard was one person getting their toes rolled over because they A) were unlucky or B) were attempting to assault Larsgard together with Mendoza.

Grow the fuck up. When people drive the wrong way you yell at them and wave your arms, you don't assault them and brake their nose. I wish I was there to see the entire situation unfold - now I have to watch the ustream and read the media.


Um... since when is a festival crowded with people a "calm little street"?



Um.. Have you actually seen the police videos? There ain't nobody but police and a couple of bystanders there. The festival-goers must have left in a hurry (or maybe they were in a different location all together).

I think I know why he got convicted. He is an overweight, insecure and probably somewhat weird person that is scared to death, and he made some stupid statements in court because of that. Justice isn't the same for everyone: it depends on how much a people person you are.


Haha ok, so for your sake let's just assume it's impossible that people could have left an area as cops try to figure out what happened I guess that's one part fully inaccurate about the Norwegian article.
woody60707
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1863 Posts
April 24 2012 18:35 GMT
#266
On April 25 2012 03:30 silynxer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 03:28 woody60707 wrote:
On April 25 2012 03:25 TheToast wrote:
On April 25 2012 03:10 overt wrote:
On April 25 2012 02:56 shell wrote:
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck


Driving the wrong way down a one way street, continuing to drive down that one way street as people get agitated at you, and then nearly running people over after the people get violent, followed up by causing actual bodily harm to two people, is not bad luck. It's called stupidity.


Actually the fact that he drove over someone's foot then sped away is probably the bigger issue. I'm willing to bet he gets off with a slap on the writs, if he gets any jail time at all it will be very short, more likely he will end up on probation with community service. Even in Arizona, no judge in their right mind is going to give him 35 years in prison for this, that's just the maximum possible penalty. Use your brains guys.

This is another instance where people want to get all up in arms and overreact over something relatively mild. Guy wasn't paying attention where he was going, drove dangerously, caused some injuries, fled the scene. Now he's going to get a big fine and probably end up on probation..... So what's the big deal here....?



Already found guilty. 5 years is the min. Now the news story is very bias. He hit kids and sped away with out a care if he killed anyone or not.

Yes, you should get jail time for hit and runs.

Wait, he felt threatened/was assaulted fled for that reason, caused injuries while doing so and should be held liable for not checking if the injured were alright (at the place he fled from)?! Haha you guys.


The dad went after the guy because he already fled the scene first. If he would of done the right thing to start with, this wouldn't have happened. Yes, it makes sense that people would get angry if you hit people then try to flee. Hit and runs are not cool.
Jarree
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland1004 Posts
April 24 2012 18:35 GMT
#267
Things like this is why i was really unsure what to do when i got in to trouble in US. A taxi driver tried to screw me and my friends over and we were kind of held hostage in his car :D. When we called the cops I really didnt know what to expect (even though our hostel's clerk told us "dont worry this is usa"). Well eventually the cop arrived and acted as a judge and jury and ruled in our favor (because we were right obviously). This happened in Miami, if it had happened in Arizona there's a possibility I would still be in jail?
woody60707
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1863 Posts
April 24 2012 18:38 GMT
#268
Does anyone know the PW for the live stream?
freewareplayer
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany403 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 18:40:35
April 24 2012 18:39 GMT
#269
On April 25 2012 03:35 woody60707 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 03:30 silynxer wrote:
On April 25 2012 03:28 woody60707 wrote:
On April 25 2012 03:25 TheToast wrote:
On April 25 2012 03:10 overt wrote:
On April 25 2012 02:56 shell wrote:
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck


Driving the wrong way down a one way street, continuing to drive down that one way street as people get agitated at you, and then nearly running people over after the people get violent, followed up by causing actual bodily harm to two people, is not bad luck. It's called stupidity.


Actually the fact that he drove over someone's foot then sped away is probably the bigger issue. I'm willing to bet he gets off with a slap on the writs, if he gets any jail time at all it will be very short, more likely he will end up on probation with community service. Even in Arizona, no judge in their right mind is going to give him 35 years in prison for this, that's just the maximum possible penalty. Use your brains guys.

This is another instance where people want to get all up in arms and overreact over something relatively mild. Guy wasn't paying attention where he was going, drove dangerously, caused some injuries, fled the scene. Now he's going to get a big fine and probably end up on probation..... So what's the big deal here....?



Already found guilty. 5 years is the min. Now the news story is very bias. He hit kids and sped away with out a care if he killed anyone or not.

Yes, you should get jail time for hit and runs.

Wait, he felt threatened/was assaulted fled for that reason, caused injuries while doing so and should be held liable for not checking if the injured were alright (at the place he fled from)?! Haha you guys.


The dad went after the guy because he already fled the scene first. If he would of done the right thing to start with, this wouldn't have happened. Yes, it makes sense that people would get angry if you hit people then try to flee. Hit and runs are not cool.

this seems likely, the dad caught up to the fleeing vehicle by foot and managed to punch the guy accurately while doing so?

So far the only statements we saw is him getting smashed by the dad, and THEN hitting people with his car while fleeing.

If you know anything more please enlighten us.
silynxer
Profile Joined April 2006
Germany439 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 18:41:31
April 24 2012 18:40 GMT
#270
On April 25 2012 03:35 woody60707 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 03:30 silynxer wrote:
On April 25 2012 03:28 woody60707 wrote:
On April 25 2012 03:25 TheToast wrote:
On April 25 2012 03:10 overt wrote:
On April 25 2012 02:56 shell wrote:
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck


Driving the wrong way down a one way street, continuing to drive down that one way street as people get agitated at you, and then nearly running people over after the people get violent, followed up by causing actual bodily harm to two people, is not bad luck. It's called stupidity.


Actually the fact that he drove over someone's foot then sped away is probably the bigger issue. I'm willing to bet he gets off with a slap on the writs, if he gets any jail time at all it will be very short, more likely he will end up on probation with community service. Even in Arizona, no judge in their right mind is going to give him 35 years in prison for this, that's just the maximum possible penalty. Use your brains guys.

This is another instance where people want to get all up in arms and overreact over something relatively mild. Guy wasn't paying attention where he was going, drove dangerously, caused some injuries, fled the scene. Now he's going to get a big fine and probably end up on probation..... So what's the big deal here....?



Already found guilty. 5 years is the min. Now the news story is very bias. He hit kids and sped away with out a care if he killed anyone or not.

Yes, you should get jail time for hit and runs.

Wait, he felt threatened/was assaulted fled for that reason, caused injuries while doing so and should be held liable for not checking if the injured were alright (at the place he fled from)?! Haha you guys.


The dad went after the guy because he already fled the scene first. If he would of done the right thing to start with, this wouldn't have happened. Yes, it makes sense that people would get angry if you hit people then try to flee. Hit and runs are not cool.

Are we reading the same article? There was no scene and no hit and run at the time he first went away (without injuring anyone) because he did not actually hit anybody at that time. Yeah you can be pissed at somebody for almost hitting you or especially your kids, you can write down their number plate, call the cops and gather witnesses but you cannot call that a hit and run and absolutely cannot encircle the car and question and attack the driver.
woody60707
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1863 Posts
April 24 2012 18:41 GMT
#271
On April 25 2012 03:39 freewareplayer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 03:35 woody60707 wrote:
On April 25 2012 03:30 silynxer wrote:
On April 25 2012 03:28 woody60707 wrote:
On April 25 2012 03:25 TheToast wrote:
On April 25 2012 03:10 overt wrote:
On April 25 2012 02:56 shell wrote:
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck


Driving the wrong way down a one way street, continuing to drive down that one way street as people get agitated at you, and then nearly running people over after the people get violent, followed up by causing actual bodily harm to two people, is not bad luck. It's called stupidity.


Actually the fact that he drove over someone's foot then sped away is probably the bigger issue. I'm willing to bet he gets off with a slap on the writs, if he gets any jail time at all it will be very short, more likely he will end up on probation with community service. Even in Arizona, no judge in their right mind is going to give him 35 years in prison for this, that's just the maximum possible penalty. Use your brains guys.

This is another instance where people want to get all up in arms and overreact over something relatively mild. Guy wasn't paying attention where he was going, drove dangerously, caused some injuries, fled the scene. Now he's going to get a big fine and probably end up on probation..... So what's the big deal here....?



Already found guilty. 5 years is the min. Now the news story is very bias. He hit kids and sped away with out a care if he killed anyone or not.

Yes, you should get jail time for hit and runs.

Wait, he felt threatened/was assaulted fled for that reason, caused injuries while doing so and should be held liable for not checking if the injured were alright (at the place he fled from)?! Haha you guys.


The dad went after the guy because he already fled the scene first. If he would of done the right thing to start with, this wouldn't have happened. Yes, it makes sense that people would get angry if you hit people then try to flee. Hit and runs are not cool.

this seems likely, the dad caught up to the fleeing vehicle by foot and managed to punch the guy accurately while doing so?

So far the only statements we saw is him getting smashed by the dad, and THEN hitting people with his car while fleeing.

If you know anything more please enlighten us.


That's what was said in the live stream http://www.ustream.tv/channel/thomasnilsson

Then it got PW protected.
dofz
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway98 Posts
April 24 2012 18:44 GMT
#272
On April 25 2012 03:35 woody60707 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 03:30 silynxer wrote:
On April 25 2012 03:28 woody60707 wrote:
On April 25 2012 03:25 TheToast wrote:
On April 25 2012 03:10 overt wrote:
On April 25 2012 02:56 shell wrote:
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck


Driving the wrong way down a one way street, continuing to drive down that one way street as people get agitated at you, and then nearly running people over after the people get violent, followed up by causing actual bodily harm to two people, is not bad luck. It's called stupidity.


Actually the fact that he drove over someone's foot then sped away is probably the bigger issue. I'm willing to bet he gets off with a slap on the writs, if he gets any jail time at all it will be very short, more likely he will end up on probation with community service. Even in Arizona, no judge in their right mind is going to give him 35 years in prison for this, that's just the maximum possible penalty. Use your brains guys.

This is another instance where people want to get all up in arms and overreact over something relatively mild. Guy wasn't paying attention where he was going, drove dangerously, caused some injuries, fled the scene. Now he's going to get a big fine and probably end up on probation..... So what's the big deal here....?



Already found guilty. 5 years is the min. Now the news story is very bias. He hit kids and sped away with out a care if he killed anyone or not.

Yes, you should get jail time for hit and runs.

Wait, he felt threatened/was assaulted fled for that reason, caused injuries while doing so and should be held liable for not checking if the injured were alright (at the place he fled from)?! Haha you guys.


The dad went after the guy because he already fled the scene first. If he would of done the right thing to start with, this wouldn't have happened. Yes, it makes sense that people would get angry if you hit people then try to flee. Hit and runs are not cool.



Wait where did you read that, I've only read that he was hit then he fled and proceeded to call the cops, I'm curious if you got another source if so I'd be interested.

Also prosecutors are saying 5 years is too little, hence they want it to be served after each other and not at the same time.
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Areon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States273 Posts
April 24 2012 18:47 GMT
#273
Why do people post this crap? Cue the idiot-fueled shitstorm of ratting on America for a guy driving on the wrong side of the road during one of the busiest times. How can you not be brain dead and/or oblivious to your mother driving properly for hundreds upon thousands of miles and yet drive on the wrong side of the road and not fix the issue? Was his mother brain dead at the time? Before idiots jump on the bandwagon and talk shit for little reason, yes the punishment seems a bit severe but you have to face the facts. If you screw up, you have to pay the price. Doesn't matter what country you're from; that shouldn't be hard to understand.

Now back to the hateful shitstorming!
dofz
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway98 Posts
April 24 2012 18:51 GMT
#274
Areon, you're an idiot, the people are arguing because of the way it was handled and the possible outcome, and the fact is this wouldnt have happend in any place in europe, if we are to go by what has been said about the case now, cant really say how much credibility the article got, but it's the only source of information I got.
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woody60707
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1863 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 18:52:54
April 24 2012 18:51 GMT
#275
Didn't read it. Saw it on the live stream IIRC. And the only news story is just what this guy said what happen. The prosecutors was saying things pretty differently. Being that he was already found guilty and no one was stopping him from making these "outrageous" claim, I kind of think that add weight to what the prosecutors said happen.
woody60707
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1863 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 18:52:45
April 24 2012 18:52 GMT
#276
nuke
silynxer
Profile Joined April 2006
Germany439 Posts
April 24 2012 18:54 GMT
#277
Ok, can't comment on anything with apparently very little and conflicting information but I wonder wether people called the police before he did and whether anybody actually was hurt before the incident the article writes about.
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 18:59:10
April 24 2012 18:58 GMT
#278
On April 24 2012 16:35 ZergOwaR wrote:
Found this one on the news today, and had to find a non-norwegian site for it aswell

Show nested quote +
Translation follows

This is a story about what must be one of the most unlucky people ever. This is a guy that moved to the states because he was bullied at his school in Oslo. In 2002 he studied in Chicago. He was assaulted by two people while jogging, and in September the same year his school kicked him out because he might be a terrorist. He sued the school so that he might continue his studies elsewhere.


The other side of the jogging story:
"According to Defendants, Larsgard was stalking their daughter Nichole. Accordingly, "[t]his was not an unprovoked attack on a stranger, but a man who followed his fascination with a young teenage girl from Mobile, Alabama to Illinois.""
He sued them.

The school-story has in media been told from only one point of view, his. And his side sounds remarkably unbelievable and not logical at all.
He sued the school.

This story, has similarities to the second story, in that it's presented from his point of view and sounds unbelievable.
He has tried to sue witnesses.

I think he's painting a picture far from the truth, and I would like to hear the other side of the story.
I'm doubting his honesty badly.
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ErikZerg
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden57 Posts
April 24 2012 19:01 GMT
#279
Americans -.-
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 19:05:47
April 24 2012 19:04 GMT
#280
Oops, Nuke.
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 19:06:27
April 24 2012 19:05 GMT
#281
On April 25 2012 03:58 TheBanana wrote:
...I'm doubting his honesty badly...


That seemed to be exactly what the prosecution was saying before the stream went down (at least for me).
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
April 24 2012 19:06 GMT
#282
On April 25 2012 03:58 TheBanana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 16:35 ZergOwaR wrote:
Found this one on the news today, and had to find a non-norwegian site for it aswell

Translation follows

This is a story about what must be one of the most unlucky people ever. This is a guy that moved to the states because he was bullied at his school in Oslo. In 2002 he studied in Chicago. He was assaulted by two people while jogging, and in September the same year his school kicked him out because he might be a terrorist. He sued the school so that he might continue his studies elsewhere.


The other side of the jogging story:
"According to Defendants, Larsgard was stalking their daughter Nichole. Accordingly, "[t]his was not an unprovoked attack on a stranger, but a man who followed his fascination with a young teenage girl from Mobile, Alabama to Illinois.""
He sued them.

The school-story has in media been told from only one point of view, his. And his side sounds remarkably unbelievable and not logical at all.
He sued the school.

This story, has similarities to the second story, in that it's presented from his point of view and sounds unbelievable.
He has tried to sue witnesses.

I think he's painting a picture far from the truth, and I would like to hear the other side of the story.
I'm doubting his honesty badly.


See, that's pretty interesting to hear. When I first read the OP I felt like it sounded pretty unrealistic. I also felt like we were only hearing what he had to say so obviously it's gonna try and make him sound innocent.

Really need to hear more of the facts and get information from more than one source.
phoenix`down
Profile Joined November 2011
49 Posts
April 24 2012 19:08 GMT
#283
He should be held responsible for what he did, but sentencing in the US seems counter-productive in cases like these. It seems like he had no malicious intent when he did this stuff, so we should really only be trying to prevent it from happening again (by taking away his license/car) and making him pay for any costs related to the injuries he caused.

What goal will sticking him in jail for such a long time accomplish? It would just screw him up more than he already is. We really need to focus on prevention and rehabilitation more than punishment in this country.
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
April 24 2012 19:10 GMT
#284
On April 25 2012 04:01 ErikZerg wrote:
Americans -.-


You rang? What about them?

Also at the post above, I agree, but I tihnk the jail time is the "aggravated assault" part - just because you take the license away doesn't mean he won't get in a car and do it all over again.


of course throwing him in jail doesn't prevent that either but I think that's the direct reasoning.
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seedfreedom
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada38 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 19:12:07
April 24 2012 19:11 GMT
#285
On April 25 2012 03:40 silynxer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 03:35 woody60707 wrote:
On April 25 2012 03:30 silynxer wrote:
On April 25 2012 03:28 woody60707 wrote:
On April 25 2012 03:25 TheToast wrote:
On April 25 2012 03:10 overt wrote:
On April 25 2012 02:56 shell wrote:
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck


Driving the wrong way down a one way street, continuing to drive down that one way street as people get agitated at you, and then nearly running people over after the people get violent, followed up by causing actual bodily harm to two people, is not bad luck. It's called stupidity.


Actually the fact that he drove over someone's foot then sped away is probably the bigger issue. I'm willing to bet he gets off with a slap on the writs, if he gets any jail time at all it will be very short, more likely he will end up on probation with community service. Even in Arizona, no judge in their right mind is going to give him 35 years in prison for this, that's just the maximum possible penalty. Use your brains guys.

This is another instance where people want to get all up in arms and overreact over something relatively mild. Guy wasn't paying attention where he was going, drove dangerously, caused some injuries, fled the scene. Now he's going to get a big fine and probably end up on probation..... So what's the big deal here....?



Already found guilty. 5 years is the min. Now the news story is very bias. He hit kids and sped away with out a care if he killed anyone or not.

Yes, you should get jail time for hit and runs.

Wait, he felt threatened/was assaulted fled for that reason, caused injuries while doing so and should be held liable for not checking if the injured were alright (at the place he fled from)?! Haha you guys.


The dad went after the guy because he already fled the scene first. If he would of done the right thing to start with, this wouldn't have happened. Yes, it makes sense that people would get angry if you hit people then try to flee. Hit and runs are not cool.

Are we reading the same article? There was no scene and no hit and run at the time he first went away (without injuring anyone) because he did not actually hit anybody at that time. Yeah you can be pissed at somebody for almost hitting you or especially your kids, you can write down their number plate, call the cops and gather witnesses but you cannot call that a hit and run and absolutely cannot encircle the car and question and attack the driver.


he almost ran over the mans wife and kids in a hot dog stand before the guy punched the driver. That IS A SCENE. no the fact that no one was actually hit isnt important. you cant go and try to rob a bank and expect not to be punished just because you failed and didnt actually steal any money. what you did has the potential and intent to do harm. He was reckless and the fact he didnt kill anyone at the time was pure luck. he still committed a crime. reckless endangerment.
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 19:12:49
April 24 2012 19:12 GMT
#286
On April 25 2012 04:05 DannyJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 03:58 TheBanana wrote:
...I'm doubting his honesty badly...


That seemed to be exactly what the prosecution was saying before the stream went down (at least for me).


Oh, I haven't watched the stream.
I read about this last night and googled his name to find out more about this story, there was no other source at the time, instead I found articles about the two other stories I mentioned.
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
Undrass
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway381 Posts
April 24 2012 19:15 GMT
#287
On April 25 2012 03:58 TheBanana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 16:35 ZergOwaR wrote:
Found this one on the news today, and had to find a non-norwegian site for it aswell

Translation follows

This is a story about what must be one of the most unlucky people ever. This is a guy that moved to the states because he was bullied at his school in Oslo. In 2002 he studied in Chicago. He was assaulted by two people while jogging, and in September the same year his school kicked him out because he might be a terrorist. He sued the school so that he might continue his studies elsewhere.


The other side of the jogging story:
"According to Defendants, Larsgard was stalking their daughter Nichole. Accordingly, "[t]his was not an unprovoked attack on a stranger, but a man who followed his fascination with a young teenage girl from Mobile, Alabama to Illinois.""
He sued them.

The school-story has in media been told from only one point of view, his. And his side sounds remarkably unbelievable and not logical at all.
He sued the school.

This story, has similarities to the second story, in that it's presented from his point of view and sounds unbelievable.
He has tried to sue witnesses.

I think he's painting a picture far from the truth, and I would like to hear the other side of the story.
I'm doubting his honesty badly.


About the terrorist bit:

He was taking a biochemistry class. After 9/11 the University of South Alabama in Mobile was afraid of more terrorism. Larsgard, being a foreigner with access to dangerous material in the labs, was therefore a obvious threat. They were basically concerned that he would poison the water-supply of a city. Thus, Larsgard was kicked out of that class because he could be a terrorist, because he was a foreigner.

Larsgard later sued the university and won the case.

http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/2001/10/12/287340.html
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 19:22:27
April 24 2012 19:19 GMT
#288
On April 25 2012 04:15 Undrass wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 03:58 TheBanana wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:35 ZergOwaR wrote:
Found this one on the news today, and had to find a non-norwegian site for it aswell

Translation follows

This is a story about what must be one of the most unlucky people ever. This is a guy that moved to the states because he was bullied at his school in Oslo. In 2002 he studied in Chicago. He was assaulted by two people while jogging, and in September the same year his school kicked him out because he might be a terrorist. He sued the school so that he might continue his studies elsewhere.


The other side of the jogging story:
"According to Defendants, Larsgard was stalking their daughter Nichole. Accordingly, "[t]his was not an unprovoked attack on a stranger, but a man who followed his fascination with a young teenage girl from Mobile, Alabama to Illinois.""
He sued them.

The school-story has in media been told from only one point of view, his. And his side sounds remarkably unbelievable and not logical at all.
He sued the school.

This story, has similarities to the second story, in that it's presented from his point of view and sounds unbelievable.
He has tried to sue witnesses.

I think he's painting a picture far from the truth, and I would like to hear the other side of the story.
I'm doubting his honesty badly.


About the terrorist bit:

He was taking a biochemistry class. After 9/11 the University of South Alabama in Mobile was afraid of more terrorism. Larsgard, being a foreigner with access to dangerous material in the labs, was therefore a obvious threat. They were basically concerned that he would poison the water-supply of a city. Thus, Larsgard was kicked out of that class because he could be a terrorist, because he was a foreigner.

Larsgard later sued the university and won the case.

http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/2001/10/12/287340.html


He won?
Where is the source on that?

The link you provided is only his side of the story and is one that I have already read and I find it hard to believe.
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Especially this part:
"Faget Larsgard går på er så vanskelig at bare noen dagers fravær gjør at man ikke har mulighet til å ta igjen det tapte arbeidet og bestå eksamen."
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dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 19:27:16
April 24 2012 19:20 GMT
#289
How the fuck do you turn down a one-way street, going the wrong way, and ignoring all the people yelling at you probably saying "Hey, you're going the wrong way, dumbass!"? No wonder he was bullied in Oslo and chastised in America. He might be booksmart, but he's obviously life stupid.

EDIT: I was at a party where some drunken, crazy girl started driving up and down the street trying to run people over. She ended up being booted in the face and dragged away by the cops. She was to blame.
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phoenix`down
Profile Joined November 2011
49 Posts
April 24 2012 19:24 GMT
#290
On April 25 2012 04:10 Torenhire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 04:01 ErikZerg wrote:
Americans -.-


You rang? What about them?

Also at the post above, I agree, but I tihnk the jail time is the "aggravated assault" part - just because you take the license away doesn't mean he won't get in a car and do it all over again.


of course throwing him in jail doesn't prevent that either but I think that's the direct reasoning.


That is kind of my point though; this was all an accident, and it isn't like sending him to jail for five years will make him a better driver. I just think that for this type of incident, these arbitrarily long jail sentences don't make any sense. Who is to say that 10 days in jail wouldn't have the exact same effect as 35 years without wasting a large portion of the guys life. It makes way more sense to me to just take the guys license and do our best to ensure he doesn't drive anymore.
Zythius
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Norway94 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 19:28:43
April 24 2012 19:26 GMT
#291
Yeah, the terrrorism-case with him was f-ing insane!

I'm amazed that the world wide bio chem industry and student body didn't stand up for him at that point. You can't really go on with ruining the life of innocent bio chem students just because of 9/11.

EDIT: Spineless, that's what it was. Cowardly to let one man be harassed by the university like that. I bet the real reason for kicking him out was that he is a "complainer". Professors and administration don't like them, and I can understand that to some extent. As far as I can see he is somewhat retarded when it comes to social interaction, so I'm not surprised in the slightest if he managed to get on someone's bad side.
TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
April 24 2012 19:29 GMT
#292
E 2nd street in Winslow, AZ is actually a pretty long street which splits off of a divided highway then rejoins the highway.

Map: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=East 2nd Street, Winslow, AZ&hl=en&sll=35.023056,-110.697126&sspn=0.010368,0.014226&oq=ea&hnear=E 2nd St, Winslow, Navajo, Arizona 86047&t=m&z=15
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silynxer
Profile Joined April 2006
Germany439 Posts
April 24 2012 19:32 GMT
#293
On April 25 2012 04:11 seedfreedom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 03:40 silynxer wrote:
On April 25 2012 03:35 woody60707 wrote:
On April 25 2012 03:30 silynxer wrote:
On April 25 2012 03:28 woody60707 wrote:
On April 25 2012 03:25 TheToast wrote:
On April 25 2012 03:10 overt wrote:
On April 25 2012 02:56 shell wrote:
They can jail a norwegian kid that had bad luck


Driving the wrong way down a one way street, continuing to drive down that one way street as people get agitated at you, and then nearly running people over after the people get violent, followed up by causing actual bodily harm to two people, is not bad luck. It's called stupidity.


Actually the fact that he drove over someone's foot then sped away is probably the bigger issue. I'm willing to bet he gets off with a slap on the writs, if he gets any jail time at all it will be very short, more likely he will end up on probation with community service. Even in Arizona, no judge in their right mind is going to give him 35 years in prison for this, that's just the maximum possible penalty. Use your brains guys.

This is another instance where people want to get all up in arms and overreact over something relatively mild. Guy wasn't paying attention where he was going, drove dangerously, caused some injuries, fled the scene. Now he's going to get a big fine and probably end up on probation..... So what's the big deal here....?



Already found guilty. 5 years is the min. Now the news story is very bias. He hit kids and sped away with out a care if he killed anyone or not.

Yes, you should get jail time for hit and runs.

Wait, he felt threatened/was assaulted fled for that reason, caused injuries while doing so and should be held liable for not checking if the injured were alright (at the place he fled from)?! Haha you guys.


The dad went after the guy because he already fled the scene first. If he would of done the right thing to start with, this wouldn't have happened. Yes, it makes sense that people would get angry if you hit people then try to flee. Hit and runs are not cool.

Are we reading the same article? There was no scene and no hit and run at the time he first went away (without injuring anyone) because he did not actually hit anybody at that time. Yeah you can be pissed at somebody for almost hitting you or especially your kids, you can write down their number plate, call the cops and gather witnesses but you cannot call that a hit and run and absolutely cannot encircle the car and question and attack the driver.


he almost ran over the mans wife and kids in a hot dog stand before the guy punched the driver. That IS A SCENE. no the fact that no one was actually hit isnt important. you cant go and try to rob a bank and expect not to be punished just because you failed and didnt actually steal any money. what you did has the potential and intent to do harm. He was reckless and the fact he didnt kill anyone at the time was pure luck. he still committed a crime. reckless endangerment.

The fact that nobody got hurt is freaking important both in law and in any common moral (I hope at least). He might have been reckless and surely he was endagering other people and I proposed how people should have acted. Call it a scene if you like but it's not a scene of a hit and run. If there is not a huge part of the story missing (like actual intent to hurt anybody), I think 5 years is way too much.
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
April 24 2012 19:35 GMT
#294
On April 25 2012 04:26 Zythius wrote:
Yeah, the terrrorism-case with him was f-ing insane!

I'm amazed that the world wide bio chem industry and student body didn't stand up for him at that point. You can't really go on with ruining the life of innocent bio chem students just because of 9/11.

EDIT: Spineless, that's what it was. Cowardly to let one man be harassed by the university like that. I bet the real reason for kicking him out was that he is a "complainer". Professors and administration don't like them, and I can understand that to some extent. As far as I can see he is somewhat retarded when it comes to social interaction, so I'm not surprised in the slightest if he managed to get on someone's bad side.


Where is your source?
I only find his and his mothers side by googling, apart from this:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2001/dec/21/highereducation.internationaleducationnews

"Best dramatic performance: To Kristoffer Larsgard, from Oslo, who, in September, was suspended from the University of South Alabama. The 22-year-old Norwegian student has said he intends to take legal action to get back onto his biochemistry course at the Alabama institution, where, he admitted to Norway's Aftenposten newspaper, he and a number of fellow students grew cholera, salmonella and several other harmful germs in the laboratory. Mr Larsgard said he feels he has been called a potential terrorist in all but name after a university official told him he believed the student was planning to contaminate the town's water system. Mr Larsgard said he didn't know what the university was referring to when it says he was involved in serious misconduct, although he has speculated it might have to do with a court case in the state of Illinois, in which he was acquitted, or another incident in which a teacher may have been upset when he missed classes to appear in court."
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momonami5
Profile Joined July 2011
United States109 Posts
April 24 2012 19:42 GMT
#295
he was in the wrong but not worth 5 years for that.
Demand2k
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Norway875 Posts
April 24 2012 19:45 GMT
#296
IF this is worse than our media's "version" of things, a few months in prison would be more than adequate. 5-35 years is just nuts, and showcases a way too harsh need for revenge.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
April 24 2012 19:48 GMT
#297
Watching the stream now, this guy sounds like the ultimate beta male. I'd give him time served and a fine and take away his license for a year or two.
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Cutlery
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway565 Posts
April 24 2012 19:49 GMT
#298
On April 25 2012 03:25 woody60707 wrote:
Yep. The news story didn't say how he left the sense of the accident with out checking if the people he hit were ok. It also seems like one of the reason he was found guilty was because he was making contradictory statements (The mean way to say that would be to call that lying).


he got punched in the face, why would he check on people punching him?
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
April 24 2012 19:52 GMT
#299
On April 25 2012 04:20 dUTtrOACh wrote:
How the fuck do you turn down a one-way street, going the wrong way, and ignoring all the people yelling at you probably saying "Hey, you're going the wrong way, dumbass!"? No wonder he was bullied in Oslo and chastised in America. He might be booksmart, but he's obviously life stupid.

EDIT: I was at a party where some drunken, crazy girl started driving up and down the street trying to run people over. She ended up being booted in the face and dragged away by the cops. She was to blame.

Yes if you try to run people over you are to blame. Did you have a point that ties into this story?
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Ragados
Profile Joined November 2011
30 Posts
April 24 2012 19:57 GMT
#300
I think the ridiculous part is that no one has stuck up for this guy and his mom. Out of all the people there that witnessed it, not one person had the decency to say that no one was targeted, saying it was simply an honest mistake. All I can say is that I guess Bad Luck Brian really does exist, and he is Norwegian.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
April 24 2012 19:59 GMT
#301
On April 25 2012 04:57 Ragados wrote:
I think the ridiculous part is that no one has stuck up for this guy and his mom. Out of all the people there that witnessed it, not one person had the decency to say that no one was targeted, saying it was simply an honest mistake. All I can say is that I guess Bad Luck Brian really does exist, and he is Norwegian.


Doesn't that tell you that he's probably not as innocent as he claims and we don't know the full story?
dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
April 24 2012 19:59 GMT
#302
On April 25 2012 04:52 nihlon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 04:20 dUTtrOACh wrote:
How the fuck do you turn down a one-way street, going the wrong way, and ignoring all the people yelling at you probably saying "Hey, you're going the wrong way, dumbass!"? No wonder he was bullied in Oslo and chastised in America. He might be booksmart, but he's obviously life stupid.

EDIT: I was at a party where some drunken, crazy girl started driving up and down the street trying to run people over. She ended up being booted in the face and dragged away by the cops. She was to blame.

Yes if you try to run people over you are to blame. Did you have a point that ties into this story?


Yes. I made my point above the edit.
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hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
April 24 2012 20:07 GMT
#303
7.5 years in prison.
Krosta
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway437 Posts
April 24 2012 20:08 GMT
#304
7.5 years in jail. That's harsh.
obesemk
Profile Joined January 2010
Norway267 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 20:12:31
April 24 2012 20:11 GMT
#305
Very harsh imo.
Voltaire
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1485 Posts
April 24 2012 20:13 GMT
#306
I wonder if the DoJ is going to get involved. I'm sure the Norwegian authorities aren't going to be pleased about this.
As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities.
nymfaw
Profile Joined November 2010
Norway430 Posts
April 24 2012 20:16 GMT
#307
On April 25 2012 05:13 Voltaire wrote:
I'm sure the Norwegian authorities aren't going to be pleased about this.


Who cares really?

Anyway, oh my god-----
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DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
April 24 2012 20:16 GMT
#308
On April 25 2012 05:13 Voltaire wrote:
I wonder if the DoJ is going to get involved. I'm sure the Norwegian authorities aren't going to be pleased about this.


The DoJ has no standing to get involved unless his civil rights were violated in some way which they weren't... since it is a State and not Federal matter Washington can't do much except shrug its shoulders and I think Arizona's response to any Norwegian government actions will be a trollface.
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SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
April 24 2012 20:16 GMT
#309
On April 24 2012 19:51 Unreliablex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 16:57 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:47 screamingpalm wrote:
Any source for this?


No

It's an extremely long pile of horseshit. At best, most of it is false and spun heavily.



Must suck to be wrong.

I just read this on one of Norways biggest newspapers internettpage, and it disgusted me like fuck.

I do not understand how this is possible, at all. The normal thing to do if someone drives in the wrong direction with the car is to tell them to turn around, not to act like inconsiderate idiots.


Oh my, I am so sorry.

They must never ever have any wrong or biased "facts".

I apologize for not trusting almighty Norway.
Chanted
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Norway1001 Posts
April 24 2012 20:17 GMT
#310
This is absolutely ridicoulus, I have no words for this. Im sorry to bash on Americans, but your justice system is a joke. 7,5 years, just wow. Take one bad turn in life and your screwed over for 7,5 years. I just really hope he gets to serve in Norway.

This situation is actually hard to believe, and actually makes me think twice about wanting to visit USA, when this shit can happen.
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
April 24 2012 20:18 GMT
#311
Seems harsh... based off the ONE Norwegian resource we have on what happened.
TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
April 24 2012 20:21 GMT
#312
On April 25 2012 04:59 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 04:57 Ragados wrote:
I think the ridiculous part is that no one has stuck up for this guy and his mom. Out of all the people there that witnessed it, not one person had the decency to say that no one was targeted, saying it was simply an honest mistake. All I can say is that I guess Bad Luck Brian really does exist, and he is Norwegian.


Doesn't that tell you that he's probably not as innocent as he claims and we don't know the full story?


Lol. Logic here would seem to indicate that there's more to this story that was reported in this Norwegian newspaper.

On April 25 2012 05:16 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 05:13 Voltaire wrote:
I wonder if the DoJ is going to get involved. I'm sure the Norwegian authorities aren't going to be pleased about this.


The DoJ has no standing to get involved unless his civil rights were violated in some way which they weren't... since it is a State and not Federal matter Washington can't do much except shrug its shoulders and I think Arizona's response to any Norwegian government actions will be a trollface.


Yeah, it would have to be a pretty egrigous breach of protocol or a case of over-the-top incompetence for the federal government to be able to intervene.

I also highly doubt the Norwegian government would spend political capital to raise the issue with the US in the first place, and even if they could intervene I'm not sure the US government would care. There are thousands of dual citizens living in the US, the federal government isn't going to get involved and pull strings everytime one of them gets into trouble with the law.
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Voltaire
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1485 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 20:25:00
April 24 2012 20:22 GMT
#313
On April 25 2012 05:16 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 05:13 Voltaire wrote:
I wonder if the DoJ is going to get involved. I'm sure the Norwegian authorities aren't going to be pleased about this.


The DoJ has no standing to get involved unless his civil rights were violated in some way which they weren't... since it is a State and not Federal matter Washington can't do much except shrug its shoulders and I think Arizona's response to any Norwegian government actions will be a trollface.


I think the DoJ can make a pretty good case that his civil rights were violated. I think there is a strong argument that the sentence constitutes "cruel and unusual punishment." Also, Arizona receives a lot of federal funding (as do all states), so the federal government can easily put pressure on Arizona if it chooses to.
As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities.
NeWeNiyaLord
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Norway2474 Posts
April 24 2012 20:23 GMT
#314
Pretty sure Jonas støre (the Ministry of Foreign Affairs "boss") wont have anything of this. I'm sure he will get deported to norway soon along with a reduced sentence. If not, then the legal system in US really sucks
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DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
April 24 2012 20:27 GMT
#315
On April 25 2012 05:22 Voltaire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 05:16 DeepElemBlues wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:13 Voltaire wrote:
I wonder if the DoJ is going to get involved. I'm sure the Norwegian authorities aren't going to be pleased about this.


The DoJ has no standing to get involved unless his civil rights were violated in some way which they weren't... since it is a State and not Federal matter Washington can't do much except shrug its shoulders and I think Arizona's response to any Norwegian government actions will be a trollface.


I think the DoJ can make a pretty good case that his civil rights were violated. I'd think the sentence constitutes "cruel and unusual punishment." Also, Arizona receives a lot of federal funding (as do all states, so the federal government can easily put pressure on Arizona if it chooses to.


A judge is not going to make a finding that this sentence constitutes cruel and unusual punishment, the burden to prove that is set very high for the very reason that is if it was easy to successfully claim every one who had a harsh sentence would say that it was cruel and unusual. And the federal government isn't going to get in a pissing match with Arizona over federal funding for the sake of one guy just because some people are outraged, outraged! over his sentence.
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nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 20:29:57
April 24 2012 20:28 GMT
#316
On April 25 2012 04:59 dUTtrOACh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 04:52 nihlon wrote:
On April 25 2012 04:20 dUTtrOACh wrote:
How the fuck do you turn down a one-way street, going the wrong way, and ignoring all the people yelling at you probably saying "Hey, you're going the wrong way, dumbass!"? No wonder he was bullied in Oslo and chastised in America. He might be booksmart, but he's obviously life stupid.

EDIT: I was at a party where some drunken, crazy girl started driving up and down the street trying to run people over. She ended up being booted in the face and dragged away by the cops. She was to blame.

Yes if you try to run people over you are to blame. Did you have a point that ties into this story?


Yes. I made my point above the edit.

I was talking about what you wrote in edit obviously....

It had nothing to do with this case or what you wrote above (not that you had much of a point there either. You think he's dumb, good for you). Also you added "She was to blame" like someone would think otherwise. When someone tries to run over someone else that's pretty much a given...

I was only looking for some deeper meaning to the story that obviously wasn't there.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Madkipz
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Norway1643 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 20:33:38
April 24 2012 20:29 GMT
#317
On April 25 2012 05:16 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 19:51 Unreliablex wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:57 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:47 screamingpalm wrote:
Any source for this?


No

It's an extremely long pile of horseshit. At best, most of it is false and spun heavily.



Must suck to be wrong.

I just read this on one of Norways biggest newspapers internettpage, and it disgusted me like fuck.

I do not understand how this is possible, at all. The normal thing to do if someone drives in the wrong direction with the car is to tell them to turn around, not to act like inconsiderate idiots.


Oh my, I am so sorry.

They must never ever have any wrong or biased "facts".

I apologize for not trusting almighty Norway.


The fact that you can sit there, and doubt the integrity of his mother whom sat next to him when those american witnesses sat in court and basically acted out emotional trauma means a lot to me.

Comon: One person got hit on the toe as a result of a scared norwegian flooring his car in reverse, who initially had no intention of hurting anyone and was merely frightened to death by being hit in straight in the face by the leader of an increasingly angry mob.

Witness claims: He tried to kill 6 people by backing into them with his car. The mother and the kids are now emotionally damaged and the father punched the student to "disarm" him of his car.
"Mudkip"
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
April 24 2012 20:29 GMT
#318
On April 25 2012 05:22 Voltaire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 05:16 DeepElemBlues wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:13 Voltaire wrote:
I wonder if the DoJ is going to get involved. I'm sure the Norwegian authorities aren't going to be pleased about this.


The DoJ has no standing to get involved unless his civil rights were violated in some way which they weren't... since it is a State and not Federal matter Washington can't do much except shrug its shoulders and I think Arizona's response to any Norwegian government actions will be a trollface.


I think the DoJ can make a pretty good case that his civil rights were violated. I think there is a strong argument that the sentence constitutes "cruel and unusual punishment." Also, Arizona receives a lot of federal funding (as do all states), so the federal government can easily put pressure on Arizona if it chooses to.


I'm not sure you understand how the US justice system works. The federal government almost never gets involved in cases like this.

People should really wait for more facts to develop before jumping to conclusions about America's legal system too.
Cutlery
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway565 Posts
April 24 2012 20:30 GMT
#319
wow. this judge is slow. adding is so hard. also there was anger involved x6
Voltaire
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1485 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 20:31:24
April 24 2012 20:31 GMT
#320
On April 25 2012 05:29 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 05:22 Voltaire wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:16 DeepElemBlues wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:13 Voltaire wrote:
I wonder if the DoJ is going to get involved. I'm sure the Norwegian authorities aren't going to be pleased about this.


The DoJ has no standing to get involved unless his civil rights were violated in some way which they weren't... since it is a State and not Federal matter Washington can't do much except shrug its shoulders and I think Arizona's response to any Norwegian government actions will be a trollface.


I think the DoJ can make a pretty good case that his civil rights were violated. I think there is a strong argument that the sentence constitutes "cruel and unusual punishment." Also, Arizona receives a lot of federal funding (as do all states), so the federal government can easily put pressure on Arizona if it chooses to.


I'm not sure you understand how the US justice system works. The federal government almost never gets involved in cases like this.

People should really wait for more facts to develop before jumping to conclusions about America's legal system too.


Isn't this basically what is happening with Trayvon Martin, though? The DoJ is conducting its own investigation in that case.
As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities.
obesemk
Profile Joined January 2010
Norway267 Posts
April 24 2012 20:31 GMT
#321
On April 25 2012 05:29 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 05:22 Voltaire wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:16 DeepElemBlues wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:13 Voltaire wrote:
I wonder if the DoJ is going to get involved. I'm sure the Norwegian authorities aren't going to be pleased about this.


The DoJ has no standing to get involved unless his civil rights were violated in some way which they weren't... since it is a State and not Federal matter Washington can't do much except shrug its shoulders and I think Arizona's response to any Norwegian government actions will be a trollface.


I think the DoJ can make a pretty good case that his civil rights were violated. I think there is a strong argument that the sentence constitutes "cruel and unusual punishment." Also, Arizona receives a lot of federal funding (as do all states), so the federal government can easily put pressure on Arizona if it chooses to.


I'm not sure you understand how the US justice system works. The federal government almost never gets involved in cases like this.

People should really wait for more facts to develop before jumping to conclusions about America's legal system too.


We already know the US legal system is fucked up.
seedfreedom
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada38 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 20:35:42
April 24 2012 20:33 GMT
#322
On April 25 2012 05:29 Madkipz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 05:16 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On April 24 2012 19:51 Unreliablex wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:57 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:47 screamingpalm wrote:
Any source for this?


No

It's an extremely long pile of horseshit. At best, most of it is false and spun heavily.



Must suck to be wrong.

I just read this on one of Norways biggest newspapers internettpage, and it disgusted me like fuck.

I do not understand how this is possible, at all. The normal thing to do if someone drives in the wrong direction with the car is to tell them to turn around, not to act like inconsiderate idiots.


Oh my, I am so sorry.

They must never ever have any wrong or biased "facts".

I apologize for not trusting almighty Norway.


The fact that you can sit there, and doubt the integrity of his mother whom sat next to him when those american witnesses sat in court and basically acted out emotional trauma means a lot to me.

Comon: One person got hit on the toe as a result of a scared norwegian flooring his car in reverse, who initially had no intention of hurting anyone and was merely frightened to death by being hit in straight in the face by the leader of an increasingly angry mob.

Witness claims: He tried to kill 6 people by backing into them with his car. The mother and the kids are now emotionally damaged and the father punched the student to "disarm" him of his car.


because the mother of the accused is definitely the most un-biased person in the room and the evil Americans are only out to get foreigners...

also the guy wasnt punched in the face UNTIL HE ALMOST RAN OVER AND KILLED THE MANS WIFE AND KIDS. way to leave out a very crucial detail.
nymfaw
Profile Joined November 2010
Norway430 Posts
April 24 2012 20:35 GMT
#323
sooo how much does US private owned prisons earn on these guys?
Everything will be ok in the end. if it's not ok, its not the end.
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
April 24 2012 20:36 GMT
#324
Even though I believe this guy is as guilty as can be, the punishment is insane.
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
Cutlery
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway565 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 20:39:38
April 24 2012 20:37 GMT
#325
most of that would not have held in a real court, would it? Witnesses speculating about the intents of someone behind a wheel? If they were sooooo scared of him and his car, why did they put their foot in front of his wheels? Why did they flock to his car? haha... Also the judge allowed hearsay on terrorist charges in his past, didn't he? What a weird thing to do. There's the truth, and there's the truth; but that judge has an IQ of about 87 and wouldn't know the truth eitherway, i mean, hearsay? comeon haha. He was just searching for more ways to nail this guy. Come on. Nothing here made sense at all. Even a 3 year old could tell it made no sense. "Oh mr you can't park here!" WAIT YOU ARE RUNNING OVER MY CHILD. NO, DON'T PARK! WAIT IM SCARED I THINK WE SHOULD STEP CLOSER TO THE CAR WITH THE TEMPORARILY INSANE DRIVER. oh and there is anger!
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
April 24 2012 20:37 GMT
#326
On April 25 2012 05:31 obesemk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 05:29 overt wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:22 Voltaire wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:16 DeepElemBlues wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:13 Voltaire wrote:
I wonder if the DoJ is going to get involved. I'm sure the Norwegian authorities aren't going to be pleased about this.


The DoJ has no standing to get involved unless his civil rights were violated in some way which they weren't... since it is a State and not Federal matter Washington can't do much except shrug its shoulders and I think Arizona's response to any Norwegian government actions will be a trollface.


I think the DoJ can make a pretty good case that his civil rights were violated. I think there is a strong argument that the sentence constitutes "cruel and unusual punishment." Also, Arizona receives a lot of federal funding (as do all states), so the federal government can easily put pressure on Arizona if it chooses to.


I'm not sure you understand how the US justice system works. The federal government almost never gets involved in cases like this.

People should really wait for more facts to develop before jumping to conclusions about America's legal system too.


We already know the US legal system is fucked up.


It is. But using this case when there are so little facts as evidence that it sucks is really stupid. I'm all for criticizing America, there are lots of things that I dislike about my own country. But this case has so little information available currently that it's pretty ridiculous to see people saying the things they are.
TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 20:46:20
April 24 2012 20:38 GMT
#327
On April 25 2012 05:31 Voltaire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 05:29 overt wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:22 Voltaire wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:16 DeepElemBlues wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:13 Voltaire wrote:
I wonder if the DoJ is going to get involved. I'm sure the Norwegian authorities aren't going to be pleased about this.


The DoJ has no standing to get involved unless his civil rights were violated in some way which they weren't... since it is a State and not Federal matter Washington can't do much except shrug its shoulders and I think Arizona's response to any Norwegian government actions will be a trollface.


I think the DoJ can make a pretty good case that his civil rights were violated. I think there is a strong argument that the sentence constitutes "cruel and unusual punishment." Also, Arizona receives a lot of federal funding (as do all states), so the federal government can easily put pressure on Arizona if it chooses to.


I'm not sure you understand how the US justice system works. The federal government almost never gets involved in cases like this.

People should really wait for more facts to develop before jumping to conclusions about America's legal system too.


Isn't this basically what is happening with Trayvon Martin, though? The DoJ is conducting its own investigation in that case.


The Trayvon Martin case is also extremely high profile with groups on either side threatning violence, etc. There are also pretty serious questions as to the integrity of the police investigation.

This case, however, has not made a single US news outlett. Kind of a big difference there.

On April 25 2012 05:35 nymfaw wrote:
sooo how much does US private owned prisons earn on these guys?


What? We don't have private owned prisons.... O.o

-edit: Actually sorry, it looks like it's mostly a southern thing, which is why I've never heard of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_prison#Private_prisons_in_the_United_States_today

Though I think the gaurds still work for the state, the companies for the most part just operate the facility?
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More than likely, if he actually ends up serving any of that 5 years in prison, he will be at a facility operated by the Arizona department of corrections within the state.
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DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 20:41:35
April 24 2012 20:39 GMT
#328
On April 25 2012 05:35 nymfaw wrote:
sooo how much does US private owned prisons earn on these guys?


Do you know that the prison where he will serve his term is a privatized one? No? Well, that's nothing new for this thread...

most of that would not have held in a real court, would it? Witnesses speculating about the intents of someone behind a wheel? Also the judge allowed hearsay on terrorist charges in his past, didn't he? What a weird thing to do. There's the truth, and there's the truth; but that judge has an IQ of about 87 and wouldn't know the truth eitherway, i mean, hearsay? comeon haha. He was just searching for more ways to nail this guy


Sentencing is different from trial, a judge is allowed to consider the totality of circumstances regarding the defendant including testimony in defense of the defendant that wouldn't be allowed at trial as well as testimony against the defendant that wouldn't be allowed at trial, please don't make insults about the IQs of people you don't know when you express such ignorance of the legal system.
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Madkipz
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Norway1643 Posts
April 24 2012 20:39 GMT
#329
On April 25 2012 05:33 seedfreedom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 05:29 Madkipz wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:16 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On April 24 2012 19:51 Unreliablex wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:57 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:47 screamingpalm wrote:
Any source for this?


No

It's an extremely long pile of horseshit. At best, most of it is false and spun heavily.



Must suck to be wrong.

I just read this on one of Norways biggest newspapers internettpage, and it disgusted me like fuck.

I do not understand how this is possible, at all. The normal thing to do if someone drives in the wrong direction with the car is to tell them to turn around, not to act like inconsiderate idiots.


Oh my, I am so sorry.

They must never ever have any wrong or biased "facts".

I apologize for not trusting almighty Norway.


The fact that you can sit there, and doubt the integrity of his mother whom sat next to him when those american witnesses sat in court and basically acted out emotional trauma means a lot to me.

Comon: One person got hit on the toe as a result of a scared norwegian flooring his car in reverse, who initially had no intention of hurting anyone and was merely frightened to death by being hit in straight in the face by the leader of an increasingly angry mob.

Witness claims: He tried to kill 6 people by backing into them with his car. The mother and the kids are now emotionally damaged and the father punched the student to "disarm" him of his car.


because the mother of the accused is definitely the most un-biased person in the room and the evil Americans are only out to get foreigners...

also the guy wasnt punched in the face UNTIL HE ALMOST RAN OVER AND KILLED THE MANS WIFE AND KIDS. way to leave out a very crucial detail.


Almost is a big deal here, he had no intention of hurting anyone and nobody died. This in no way constitutes to fucking 7.5 years in jail.
"Mudkip"
seedfreedom
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada38 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 20:43:53
April 24 2012 20:40 GMT
#330
On April 25 2012 05:39 Madkipz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 05:33 seedfreedom wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:29 Madkipz wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:16 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On April 24 2012 19:51 Unreliablex wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:57 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:47 screamingpalm wrote:
Any source for this?


No

It's an extremely long pile of horseshit. At best, most of it is false and spun heavily.



Must suck to be wrong.

I just read this on one of Norways biggest newspapers internettpage, and it disgusted me like fuck.

I do not understand how this is possible, at all. The normal thing to do if someone drives in the wrong direction with the car is to tell them to turn around, not to act like inconsiderate idiots.


Oh my, I am so sorry.

They must never ever have any wrong or biased "facts".

I apologize for not trusting almighty Norway.


The fact that you can sit there, and doubt the integrity of his mother whom sat next to him when those american witnesses sat in court and basically acted out emotional trauma means a lot to me.

Comon: One person got hit on the toe as a result of a scared norwegian flooring his car in reverse, who initially had no intention of hurting anyone and was merely frightened to death by being hit in straight in the face by the leader of an increasingly angry mob.

Witness claims: He tried to kill 6 people by backing into them with his car. The mother and the kids are now emotionally damaged and the father punched the student to "disarm" him of his car.


because the mother of the accused is definitely the most un-biased person in the room and the evil Americans are only out to get foreigners...

also the guy wasnt punched in the face UNTIL HE ALMOST RAN OVER AND KILLED THE MANS WIFE AND KIDS. way to leave out a very crucial detail.


Almost is a big deal here, he had no intention of hurting anyone and nobody died. This in no way constitutes to fucking 7.5 years in jail.


your right. the almost is what stops this from being manslaughter. doesnt get the guy off the hook.

look, im not american, but im also not Norwegian. i dont have patriot blinds for either side but i have to call it as it is. this guy should not be driving and put people in danger. he actually hurt other people. hes in a car, in a place hes not suppose to be driving. they cant hurt him unless he rolls his windows down and lets himself get hurt. they can shake their fist all they want at him but hes the one who should be in control and he lost it. There's no defense.
freewareplayer
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany403 Posts
April 24 2012 20:40 GMT
#331
On April 25 2012 05:33 seedfreedom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 05:29 Madkipz wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:16 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On April 24 2012 19:51 Unreliablex wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:57 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:47 screamingpalm wrote:
Any source for this?


No

It's an extremely long pile of horseshit. At best, most of it is false and spun heavily.



Must suck to be wrong.

I just read this on one of Norways biggest newspapers internettpage, and it disgusted me like fuck.

I do not understand how this is possible, at all. The normal thing to do if someone drives in the wrong direction with the car is to tell them to turn around, not to act like inconsiderate idiots.


Oh my, I am so sorry.

They must never ever have any wrong or biased "facts".

I apologize for not trusting almighty Norway.


The fact that you can sit there, and doubt the integrity of his mother whom sat next to him when those american witnesses sat in court and basically acted out emotional trauma means a lot to me.

Comon: One person got hit on the toe as a result of a scared norwegian flooring his car in reverse, who initially had no intention of hurting anyone and was merely frightened to death by being hit in straight in the face by the leader of an increasingly angry mob.

Witness claims: He tried to kill 6 people by backing into them with his car. The mother and the kids are now emotionally damaged and the father punched the student to "disarm" him of his car.


because the mother of the accused is definitely the most un-biased person in the room and the evil Americans are only out to get foreigners...

also the guy wasnt punched in the face UNTIL HE ALMOST RAN OVER AND KILLED THE MANS WIFE AND KIDS. way to leave out a very crucial detail.

Technicly, even if he wouldve ran over the wife and kid, that doesnt give the man the right to assault him. Morally yes, legally no. But then again they werent harmed. Still understandable, but not all right.

Anyone knows whether the dad that threw the punch got convicted? Legally he commitated a crime, so they better charge that guy too if the driver gets 7,5 years.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
April 24 2012 20:42 GMT
#332
On April 25 2012 05:40 freewareplayer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 05:33 seedfreedom wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:29 Madkipz wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:16 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On April 24 2012 19:51 Unreliablex wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:57 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:47 screamingpalm wrote:
Any source for this?


No

It's an extremely long pile of horseshit. At best, most of it is false and spun heavily.



Must suck to be wrong.

I just read this on one of Norways biggest newspapers internettpage, and it disgusted me like fuck.

I do not understand how this is possible, at all. The normal thing to do if someone drives in the wrong direction with the car is to tell them to turn around, not to act like inconsiderate idiots.


Oh my, I am so sorry.

They must never ever have any wrong or biased "facts".

I apologize for not trusting almighty Norway.


The fact that you can sit there, and doubt the integrity of his mother whom sat next to him when those american witnesses sat in court and basically acted out emotional trauma means a lot to me.

Comon: One person got hit on the toe as a result of a scared norwegian flooring his car in reverse, who initially had no intention of hurting anyone and was merely frightened to death by being hit in straight in the face by the leader of an increasingly angry mob.

Witness claims: He tried to kill 6 people by backing into them with his car. The mother and the kids are now emotionally damaged and the father punched the student to "disarm" him of his car.


because the mother of the accused is definitely the most un-biased person in the room and the evil Americans are only out to get foreigners...

also the guy wasnt punched in the face UNTIL HE ALMOST RAN OVER AND KILLED THE MANS WIFE AND KIDS. way to leave out a very crucial detail.

Technicly, even if he wouldve ran over the wife and kid, that doesnt give the man the right to assault him. Morally yes, legally no. But then again they werent harmed. Still understandable, but not all right.

Anyone knows whether the dad that threw the punch got convicted? Legally he commitated a crime, so they better charge that guy too if the driver gets 7,5 years.


Depends on state laws, and I don't know Arizona laws, but he probably could've argued that it was self-defense.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
April 24 2012 20:43 GMT
#333
Almost is a big deal here, he had no intention of hurting anyone and nobody died. This in no way constitutes to fucking 7.5 years in jail.


That's why it's called reckless instead of intentional... it's like you're not even trying.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
Cutlery
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway565 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 20:45:16
April 24 2012 20:43 GMT
#334
On April 25 2012 05:40 seedfreedom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 05:39 Madkipz wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:33 seedfreedom wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:29 Madkipz wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:16 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On April 24 2012 19:51 Unreliablex wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:57 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:47 screamingpalm wrote:
Any source for this?


No

It's an extremely long pile of horseshit. At best, most of it is false and spun heavily.



Must suck to be wrong.

I just read this on one of Norways biggest newspapers internettpage, and it disgusted me like fuck.

I do not understand how this is possible, at all. The normal thing to do if someone drives in the wrong direction with the car is to tell them to turn around, not to act like inconsiderate idiots.


Oh my, I am so sorry.

They must never ever have any wrong or biased "facts".

I apologize for not trusting almighty Norway.


The fact that you can sit there, and doubt the integrity of his mother whom sat next to him when those american witnesses sat in court and basically acted out emotional trauma means a lot to me.

Comon: One person got hit on the toe as a result of a scared norwegian flooring his car in reverse, who initially had no intention of hurting anyone and was merely frightened to death by being hit in straight in the face by the leader of an increasingly angry mob.

Witness claims: He tried to kill 6 people by backing into them with his car. The mother and the kids are now emotionally damaged and the father punched the student to "disarm" him of his car.


because the mother of the accused is definitely the most un-biased person in the room and the evil Americans are only out to get foreigners...

also the guy wasnt punched in the face UNTIL HE ALMOST RAN OVER AND KILLED THE MANS WIFE AND KIDS. way to leave out a very crucial detail.


Almost is a big deal here, he had no intention of hurting anyone and nobody died. This in no way constitutes to fucking 7.5 years in jail.


your right. the almost is what stops this from being manslaughter. doesnt get the guy off the hook.


Sounds weird. Everytime you drive by a pedestrian, do you almost kill him? If you, by accident, get one wheel half atop the sidewalk, do you almost kill someone? When kids play in the street and you are driving 2 miles per hour, do you almost kill them? I mean, you are in-fact holding a weapon pretty close to their heads.

I'm scared of studying in the US now. I think I'll stay clear of the typical southern states for sure.
dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
April 24 2012 20:45 GMT
#335
On April 25 2012 05:28 nihlon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 04:59 dUTtrOACh wrote:
On April 25 2012 04:52 nihlon wrote:
On April 25 2012 04:20 dUTtrOACh wrote:
How the fuck do you turn down a one-way street, going the wrong way, and ignoring all the people yelling at you probably saying "Hey, you're going the wrong way, dumbass!"? No wonder he was bullied in Oslo and chastised in America. He might be booksmart, but he's obviously life stupid.

EDIT: I was at a party where some drunken, crazy girl started driving up and down the street trying to run people over. She ended up being booted in the face and dragged away by the cops. She was to blame.

Yes if you try to run people over you are to blame. Did you have a point that ties into this story?


Yes. I made my point above the edit.

I was talking about what you wrote in edit obviously....

It had nothing to do with this case or what you wrote above (not that you had much of a point there either. You think he's dumb, good for you). Also you added "She was to blame" like someone would think otherwise. When someone tries to run over someone else that's pretty much a given...

I was only looking for some deeper meaning to the story that obviously wasn't there.


Let's just say the edit was anecdotal. End of story.
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DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
April 24 2012 20:46 GMT
#336
Sounds weird. Everytime you drive by a pedestrian, do you almost kill him? If you, by accident, get one wheel half atop the sidewalk, do you almost kill someone? When kids play in the street and you are driving 2 miles per hour, do you almost kill them? I mean, you are in-fact holding a weapon pretty close to their heads.


Is that supposed to be serious?...
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
freewareplayer
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany403 Posts
April 24 2012 20:47 GMT
#337
On April 25 2012 05:42 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 05:40 freewareplayer wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:33 seedfreedom wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:29 Madkipz wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:16 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On April 24 2012 19:51 Unreliablex wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:57 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:47 screamingpalm wrote:
Any source for this?


No

It's an extremely long pile of horseshit. At best, most of it is false and spun heavily.



Must suck to be wrong.

I just read this on one of Norways biggest newspapers internettpage, and it disgusted me like fuck.

I do not understand how this is possible, at all. The normal thing to do if someone drives in the wrong direction with the car is to tell them to turn around, not to act like inconsiderate idiots.


Oh my, I am so sorry.

They must never ever have any wrong or biased "facts".

I apologize for not trusting almighty Norway.


The fact that you can sit there, and doubt the integrity of his mother whom sat next to him when those american witnesses sat in court and basically acted out emotional trauma means a lot to me.

Comon: One person got hit on the toe as a result of a scared norwegian flooring his car in reverse, who initially had no intention of hurting anyone and was merely frightened to death by being hit in straight in the face by the leader of an increasingly angry mob.

Witness claims: He tried to kill 6 people by backing into them with his car. The mother and the kids are now emotionally damaged and the father punched the student to "disarm" him of his car.


because the mother of the accused is definitely the most un-biased person in the room and the evil Americans are only out to get foreigners...

also the guy wasnt punched in the face UNTIL HE ALMOST RAN OVER AND KILLED THE MANS WIFE AND KIDS. way to leave out a very crucial detail.

Technicly, even if he wouldve ran over the wife and kid, that doesnt give the man the right to assault him. Morally yes, legally no. But then again they werent harmed. Still understandable, but not all right.

Anyone knows whether the dad that threw the punch got convicted? Legally he commitated a crime, so they better charge that guy too if the driver gets 7,5 years.


Depends on state laws, and I don't know Arizona laws, but he probably could've argued that it was self-defense.

Well he couldve argued it but the word " SELF-defense" hardly applies to other people.
If someone hurts your family and you retaliate by assaulting the person that braught them harm, but currently isnt doing so any more thats being a vigilante lol.
And the family didnt even get hurt....
Cutlery
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway565 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 20:48:43
April 24 2012 20:48 GMT
#338
On April 25 2012 05:40 seedfreedom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 05:39 Madkipz wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:33 seedfreedom wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:29 Madkipz wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:16 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On April 24 2012 19:51 Unreliablex wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:57 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:47 screamingpalm wrote:
Any source for this?


No

It's an extremely long pile of horseshit. At best, most of it is false and spun heavily.



Must suck to be wrong.

I just read this on one of Norways biggest newspapers internettpage, and it disgusted me like fuck.

I do not understand how this is possible, at all. The normal thing to do if someone drives in the wrong direction with the car is to tell them to turn around, not to act like inconsiderate idiots.


Oh my, I am so sorry.

They must never ever have any wrong or biased "facts".

I apologize for not trusting almighty Norway.


The fact that you can sit there, and doubt the integrity of his mother whom sat next to him when those american witnesses sat in court and basically acted out emotional trauma means a lot to me.

Comon: One person got hit on the toe as a result of a scared norwegian flooring his car in reverse, who initially had no intention of hurting anyone and was merely frightened to death by being hit in straight in the face by the leader of an increasingly angry mob.

Witness claims: He tried to kill 6 people by backing into them with his car. The mother and the kids are now emotionally damaged and the father punched the student to "disarm" him of his car.


because the mother of the accused is definitely the most un-biased person in the room and the evil Americans are only out to get foreigners...

also the guy wasnt punched in the face UNTIL HE ALMOST RAN OVER AND KILLED THE MANS WIFE AND KIDS. way to leave out a very crucial detail.


Almost is a big deal here, he had no intention of hurting anyone and nobody died. This in no way constitutes to fucking 7.5 years in jail.


your right. the almost is what stops this from being manslaughter. doesnt get the guy off the hook.

look, im not american, but im also not Norwegian. i dont have patriot blinds for either side but i have to call it as it is. this guy should not be driving and put people in danger. he actually hurt other people. hes in a car, in a place hes not suppose to be driving. they cant hurt him unless he rolls his windows down and lets himself get hurt. they can shake their fist all they want at him but hes the one who should be in control and he lost it. There's no defense.


I agree in part, but it sounds stupid when you claim that he should not be driving on the road. Yes it was one-way; still people shouldn't stand in the street even if it is one way.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
April 24 2012 20:48 GMT
#339
On April 25 2012 05:43 Cutlery wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 05:40 seedfreedom wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:39 Madkipz wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:33 seedfreedom wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:29 Madkipz wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:16 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On April 24 2012 19:51 Unreliablex wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:57 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:47 screamingpalm wrote:
Any source for this?


No

It's an extremely long pile of horseshit. At best, most of it is false and spun heavily.



Must suck to be wrong.

I just read this on one of Norways biggest newspapers internettpage, and it disgusted me like fuck.

I do not understand how this is possible, at all. The normal thing to do if someone drives in the wrong direction with the car is to tell them to turn around, not to act like inconsiderate idiots.


Oh my, I am so sorry.

They must never ever have any wrong or biased "facts".

I apologize for not trusting almighty Norway.


The fact that you can sit there, and doubt the integrity of his mother whom sat next to him when those american witnesses sat in court and basically acted out emotional trauma means a lot to me.

Comon: One person got hit on the toe as a result of a scared norwegian flooring his car in reverse, who initially had no intention of hurting anyone and was merely frightened to death by being hit in straight in the face by the leader of an increasingly angry mob.

Witness claims: He tried to kill 6 people by backing into them with his car. The mother and the kids are now emotionally damaged and the father punched the student to "disarm" him of his car.


because the mother of the accused is definitely the most un-biased person in the room and the evil Americans are only out to get foreigners...

also the guy wasnt punched in the face UNTIL HE ALMOST RAN OVER AND KILLED THE MANS WIFE AND KIDS. way to leave out a very crucial detail.


Almost is a big deal here, he had no intention of hurting anyone and nobody died. This in no way constitutes to fucking 7.5 years in jail.


your right. the almost is what stops this from being manslaughter. doesnt get the guy off the hook.


Sounds weird. Everytime you drive by a pedestrian, do you almost kill him? If you, by accident, get one wheel half atop the sidewalk, do you almost kill someone? When kids play in the street and you are driving 2 miles per hour, do you almost kill them? I mean, you are in-fact holding a weapon pretty close to their heads.

I'm scared of studying in the US now. I think I'll stay clear of the typical southern states for sure.


Most of the people in the south is incredibly nice. Some of our laws are definitely fucked up. If you're that paranoid the west coast is pretty nice. But I mean, I wouldn't worry about being arrested. So long as you don't get involved with drugs or commit a crime you really don't have much to worry about.
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
April 24 2012 20:48 GMT
#340
On April 25 2012 05:45 dUTtrOACh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 05:28 nihlon wrote:
On April 25 2012 04:59 dUTtrOACh wrote:
On April 25 2012 04:52 nihlon wrote:
On April 25 2012 04:20 dUTtrOACh wrote:
How the fuck do you turn down a one-way street, going the wrong way, and ignoring all the people yelling at you probably saying "Hey, you're going the wrong way, dumbass!"? No wonder he was bullied in Oslo and chastised in America. He might be booksmart, but he's obviously life stupid.

EDIT: I was at a party where some drunken, crazy girl started driving up and down the street trying to run people over. She ended up being booted in the face and dragged away by the cops. She was to blame.

Yes if you try to run people over you are to blame. Did you have a point that ties into this story?


Yes. I made my point above the edit.

I was talking about what you wrote in edit obviously....

It had nothing to do with this case or what you wrote above (not that you had much of a point there either. You think he's dumb, good for you). Also you added "She was to blame" like someone would think otherwise. When someone tries to run over someone else that's pretty much a given...

I was only looking for some deeper meaning to the story that obviously wasn't there.


Let's just say the edit was anecdotal. End of story.

I know it was an anecdote, I was only curious as to why you shared it. But lets move on.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
April 24 2012 20:49 GMT
#341
On April 25 2012 05:37 Cutlery wrote:
most of that would not have held in a real court, would it? Witnesses speculating about the intents of someone behind a wheel? If they were sooooo scared of him and his car, why did they put their foot in front of his wheels? Why did they flock to his car? haha... Also the judge allowed hearsay on terrorist charges in his past, didn't he? What a weird thing to do. There's the truth, and there's the truth; but that judge has an IQ of about 87 and wouldn't know the truth eitherway, i mean, hearsay? comeon haha. He was just searching for more ways to nail this guy. Come on. Nothing here made sense at all. Even a 3 year old could tell it made no sense. "Oh mr you can't park here!" WAIT YOU ARE RUNNING OVER MY CHILD. NO, DON'T PARK! WAIT IM SCARED I THINK WE SHOULD STEP CLOSER TO THE CAR WITH THE TEMPORARILY INSANE DRIVER. oh and there is anger!


I don't see how it makes sense to assume every person in the story except the guy and his mother are insane based on the little information we have.
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seedfreedom
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada38 Posts
April 24 2012 20:50 GMT
#342
On April 25 2012 05:43 Cutlery wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 05:40 seedfreedom wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:39 Madkipz wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:33 seedfreedom wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:29 Madkipz wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:16 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On April 24 2012 19:51 Unreliablex wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:57 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:47 screamingpalm wrote:
Any source for this?


No

It's an extremely long pile of horseshit. At best, most of it is false and spun heavily.



Must suck to be wrong.

I just read this on one of Norways biggest newspapers internettpage, and it disgusted me like fuck.

I do not understand how this is possible, at all. The normal thing to do if someone drives in the wrong direction with the car is to tell them to turn around, not to act like inconsiderate idiots.


Oh my, I am so sorry.

They must never ever have any wrong or biased "facts".

I apologize for not trusting almighty Norway.


The fact that you can sit there, and doubt the integrity of his mother whom sat next to him when those american witnesses sat in court and basically acted out emotional trauma means a lot to me.

Comon: One person got hit on the toe as a result of a scared norwegian flooring his car in reverse, who initially had no intention of hurting anyone and was merely frightened to death by being hit in straight in the face by the leader of an increasingly angry mob.

Witness claims: He tried to kill 6 people by backing into them with his car. The mother and the kids are now emotionally damaged and the father punched the student to "disarm" him of his car.


because the mother of the accused is definitely the most un-biased person in the room and the evil Americans are only out to get foreigners...

also the guy wasnt punched in the face UNTIL HE ALMOST RAN OVER AND KILLED THE MANS WIFE AND KIDS. way to leave out a very crucial detail.


Almost is a big deal here, he had no intention of hurting anyone and nobody died. This in no way constitutes to fucking 7.5 years in jail.


your right. the almost is what stops this from being manslaughter. doesnt get the guy off the hook.


Sounds weird. Everytime you drive by a pedestrian, do you almost kill him? If you, by accident, get one wheel half atop the sidewalk, do you almost kill someone? When kids play in the street and you are driving 2 miles per hour, do you almost kill them? I mean, you are in-fact holding a weapon pretty close to their heads.

i am also not driving the wrong way on a street and refusing to stop and pull over, get some help if i cant handle the situation instead of saying "fuck it i'll just keep going and not worry about who i hit". im also not driving on crowded streets with pedestrians and stay in areas people expect cars to be.


On April 25 2012 05:42 overt wrote:
Depends on state laws, and I don't know Arizona laws, but he probably could've argued that it was self-defense.

this^ the dad would probably get off for self defense, if hes even charged with anything. Again, its about control. Hes in a vehicle and can do significant damage to the people around him. He rolls up the windows he cant get hurt. the dad can give him a punch, but thats about the worst they can do. when your driving you need to be in complete control of your vehicle. I can walk in the middle of the street, through a red light and cars will stop for me. they will honk and shit but not a single one dares to hit me. why? because i can sue the crap out of them. they should be in control while driving, even if i do something wrong. i cant hurt them or their car in any significant way, they can.
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3805 Posts
April 24 2012 20:50 GMT
#343
How do you allow a system like this to actually exist???

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Cutlery
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway565 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 20:55:06
April 24 2012 20:51 GMT
#344
On April 25 2012 05:46 DeepElemBlues wrote:
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Sounds weird. Everytime you drive by a pedestrian, do you almost kill him? If you, by accident, get one wheel half atop the sidewalk, do you almost kill someone? When kids play in the street and you are driving 2 miles per hour, do you almost kill them? I mean, you are in-fact holding a weapon pretty close to their heads.


Is that supposed to be serious?...


Idk, arizona law tell me. Explain it to me. Because his wheel touched the sidewalk, he almost killed 2 kids? How fast could he have driven if he managed to stop on a whim; and why the fuck is his car a weapon -_-

I'm not saying this guy is picture perfect, but 7.5 years for nothing . . . What factual evidence, what motive and what aggravasion and insanity did they base 7.5 friggin years on? Oh right, a witness speculating about the motives of someone they can't see is enough. Silly me.
drbrown
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden442 Posts
April 24 2012 20:53 GMT
#345
This is complete fucking bullshit.

His car is a few meters away from someones wife and kids, the husband who assumes he was trying to kill his family runs up to his car and PUNCHES him in the face after which the student gets scared and drives away.
If you are surrounded by an angry mob hurling abuse your way and then get punched by one of them you are NOT going to drive safely away from there, for all he knew the mob could've been trying to drag him out of the car to beat him up.

So, one dumb woman who most likely were standing right next to a car with a frightened driver in it had her toes ran over, and then the story adds up to... him getting 7,5 years in jail? As i said, complete fucking bullshit, i cant even believe this is happening in a country whos population again and again refers to their nation as the "Land of Freedom".
I'm probably being ironic
YourOldBuddy
Profile Joined December 2011
Iceland94 Posts
April 24 2012 20:53 GMT
#346
I´m presently in Norway although not Norwegian. The story is making all the headlines here. If there is another side to the story it is not being presented and I'm pretty sure some of the media outlets would present it, if was there.

Just looks like a mob attacked a guy for making a simple enough mistake, he panicked and the mob attacks him again and again he panicked. I have read about so many travesties of justice from the states that I usually just always side with whoever is on the receiving side.... and I'm automatically right more often than not.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 20:55:56
April 24 2012 20:54 GMT
#347
On April 25 2012 05:47 freewareplayer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 05:42 overt wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:40 freewareplayer wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:33 seedfreedom wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:29 Madkipz wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:16 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On April 24 2012 19:51 Unreliablex wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:57 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:47 screamingpalm wrote:
Any source for this?


No

It's an extremely long pile of horseshit. At best, most of it is false and spun heavily.



Must suck to be wrong.

I just read this on one of Norways biggest newspapers internettpage, and it disgusted me like fuck.

I do not understand how this is possible, at all. The normal thing to do if someone drives in the wrong direction with the car is to tell them to turn around, not to act like inconsiderate idiots.


Oh my, I am so sorry.

They must never ever have any wrong or biased "facts".

I apologize for not trusting almighty Norway.


The fact that you can sit there, and doubt the integrity of his mother whom sat next to him when those american witnesses sat in court and basically acted out emotional trauma means a lot to me.

Comon: One person got hit on the toe as a result of a scared norwegian flooring his car in reverse, who initially had no intention of hurting anyone and was merely frightened to death by being hit in straight in the face by the leader of an increasingly angry mob.

Witness claims: He tried to kill 6 people by backing into them with his car. The mother and the kids are now emotionally damaged and the father punched the student to "disarm" him of his car.


because the mother of the accused is definitely the most un-biased person in the room and the evil Americans are only out to get foreigners...

also the guy wasnt punched in the face UNTIL HE ALMOST RAN OVER AND KILLED THE MANS WIFE AND KIDS. way to leave out a very crucial detail.

Technicly, even if he wouldve ran over the wife and kid, that doesnt give the man the right to assault him. Morally yes, legally no. But then again they werent harmed. Still understandable, but not all right.

Anyone knows whether the dad that threw the punch got convicted? Legally he commitated a crime, so they better charge that guy too if the driver gets 7,5 years.


Depends on state laws, and I don't know Arizona laws, but he probably could've argued that it was self-defense.

Well he couldve argued it but the word " SELF-defense" hardly applies to other people.
If someone hurts your family and you retaliate by assaulting the person that braught them harm, but currently isnt doing so any more thats being a vigilante lol.
And the family didnt even get hurt....


Like I said, it depends on state-law...

In some states if someone is 'posing a threat' you can inflict bodily harm upon them. If the guy who punched the defendant proved to the law that he acted in self-defense then he wouldn't be charged.

Semi-off topic but there are some seriously fucked up laws in some states. If you're interested do a Google search of Castle doctrine (or just click here). In certain circumstances, in some states, you can actually kill an unarmed person who breaks into your home and not be charged (although it's likely that an investigation will be done).

edit:
And while I would like for more facts to develop as there just seems to be a lot of Norweigan outrage and very few facts, I will say that I do think 7.5 years is too harsh.
Roflhaxx
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1244 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 21:05:34
April 24 2012 20:54 GMT
#348
I just find it really hard to believe that he tried to kill them. I mean if he actually wanted to wouldn't he have easily been able to? It's not like it's hard to hit someone with a car if they are just standing there.

Edit* I just find it kind of funny that he is not allowed to have the handcuffs etc removed while in norway not even Breivik needs to have handcuffs on during trial.
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DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
April 24 2012 20:55 GMT
#349
On April 25 2012 05:51 Cutlery wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 05:46 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Sounds weird. Everytime you drive by a pedestrian, do you almost kill him? If you, by accident, get one wheel half atop the sidewalk, do you almost kill someone? When kids play in the street and you are driving 2 miles per hour, do you almost kill them? I mean, you are in-fact holding a weapon pretty close to their heads.


Is that supposed to be serious?...


Idk, arizona law tell me. Explain it to me. Because his wheel touched the sidewalk, he almost killed 2 kids? How fast could he have driven if he managed to stop on a whim; and why the fuck is his car a weapon -_-

I'm not saying this guy is picture perfect, but 7.5 years for nothing . . .


Well, none of us really know what happened exactly (All this outrage and there is ONE article on this in the WORLD?) but if you know you are in a crowded area (there was a festival apparently going on) deciding to ever just hit the gas in any direction is probably a very very bad idea.
freewareplayer
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany403 Posts
April 24 2012 20:55 GMT
#350
Some few people in this topic, deserve, if they ever get sued, to have that prosecution/jury/judge whom they so wholeheartly agree with against them.
Madkipz
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Norway1643 Posts
April 24 2012 20:55 GMT
#351
On April 25 2012 05:49 TheBanana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 05:37 Cutlery wrote:
most of that would not have held in a real court, would it? Witnesses speculating about the intents of someone behind a wheel? If they were sooooo scared of him and his car, why did they put their foot in front of his wheels? Why did they flock to his car? haha... Also the judge allowed hearsay on terrorist charges in his past, didn't he? What a weird thing to do. There's the truth, and there's the truth; but that judge has an IQ of about 87 and wouldn't know the truth eitherway, i mean, hearsay? comeon haha. He was just searching for more ways to nail this guy. Come on. Nothing here made sense at all. Even a 3 year old could tell it made no sense. "Oh mr you can't park here!" WAIT YOU ARE RUNNING OVER MY CHILD. NO, DON'T PARK! WAIT IM SCARED I THINK WE SHOULD STEP CLOSER TO THE CAR WITH THE TEMPORARILY INSANE DRIVER. oh and there is anger!


I don't see how it makes sense to assume every person in the story except the guy and his mother are insane based on the little information we have.


What little information? What? We saw in court, the guy that assaulted him left and flipped him the bird. His mother cried tears and acted as if the world had ended and her children wont ever recover. SO yes, of all the witnesses. He appears to be the only sane person.
"Mudkip"
seedfreedom
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada38 Posts
April 24 2012 20:55 GMT
#352
On April 25 2012 05:48 Cutlery wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 05:40 seedfreedom wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:39 Madkipz wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:33 seedfreedom wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:29 Madkipz wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:16 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On April 24 2012 19:51 Unreliablex wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:57 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:47 screamingpalm wrote:
Any source for this?


No

It's an extremely long pile of horseshit. At best, most of it is false and spun heavily.



Must suck to be wrong.

I just read this on one of Norways biggest newspapers internettpage, and it disgusted me like fuck.

I do not understand how this is possible, at all. The normal thing to do if someone drives in the wrong direction with the car is to tell them to turn around, not to act like inconsiderate idiots.


Oh my, I am so sorry.

They must never ever have any wrong or biased "facts".

I apologize for not trusting almighty Norway.


The fact that you can sit there, and doubt the integrity of his mother whom sat next to him when those american witnesses sat in court and basically acted out emotional trauma means a lot to me.

Comon: One person got hit on the toe as a result of a scared norwegian flooring his car in reverse, who initially had no intention of hurting anyone and was merely frightened to death by being hit in straight in the face by the leader of an increasingly angry mob.

Witness claims: He tried to kill 6 people by backing into them with his car. The mother and the kids are now emotionally damaged and the father punched the student to "disarm" him of his car.


because the mother of the accused is definitely the most un-biased person in the room and the evil Americans are only out to get foreigners...

also the guy wasnt punched in the face UNTIL HE ALMOST RAN OVER AND KILLED THE MANS WIFE AND KIDS. way to leave out a very crucial detail.


Almost is a big deal here, he had no intention of hurting anyone and nobody died. This in no way constitutes to fucking 7.5 years in jail.


your right. the almost is what stops this from being manslaughter. doesnt get the guy off the hook.

look, im not american, but im also not Norwegian. i dont have patriot blinds for either side but i have to call it as it is. this guy should not be driving and put people in danger. he actually hurt other people. hes in a car, in a place hes not suppose to be driving. they cant hurt him unless he rolls his windows down and lets himself get hurt. they can shake their fist all they want at him but hes the one who should be in control and he lost it. There's no defense.


I agree in part, but it sounds stupid when you claim that he should not be driving on the road. Yes it was one-way; still people shouldn't stand in the street even if it is one way.


what im saying is driving is a privileged, not a right. you dont get to drive until you mess up and get in an accident and get your license taken away. they give you a license on the assumption you can drive properly and take it away when they see it was mistake. this guy was not in control of his vehicle and cannot be trusted to handle tough situations while in control of a vehicle. he should not have a license.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
April 24 2012 20:56 GMT
#353
Idk, arizona law tell me. Explain it to me. Because his wheel touched the sidewalk, he almost killed 2 kids? How fast could he have driven if he managed to stop on a whim; and why the fuck is his car a weapon -_-


Was he convicted of that? Was that the charge he was tried for? Almost killing two kids? No. So, what exactly does your rant have to do with the reality of the case?
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Voltaire
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1485 Posts
April 24 2012 20:58 GMT
#354
On April 25 2012 05:38 TheToast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 05:31 Voltaire wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:29 overt wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:22 Voltaire wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:16 DeepElemBlues wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:13 Voltaire wrote:
I wonder if the DoJ is going to get involved. I'm sure the Norwegian authorities aren't going to be pleased about this.


The DoJ has no standing to get involved unless his civil rights were violated in some way which they weren't... since it is a State and not Federal matter Washington can't do much except shrug its shoulders and I think Arizona's response to any Norwegian government actions will be a trollface.


I think the DoJ can make a pretty good case that his civil rights were violated. I think there is a strong argument that the sentence constitutes "cruel and unusual punishment." Also, Arizona receives a lot of federal funding (as do all states), so the federal government can easily put pressure on Arizona if it chooses to.


I'm not sure you understand how the US justice system works. The federal government almost never gets involved in cases like this.

People should really wait for more facts to develop before jumping to conclusions about America's legal system too.


Isn't this basically what is happening with Trayvon Martin, though? The DoJ is conducting its own investigation in that case.


The Trayvon Martin case is also extremely high profile with groups on either side threatning violence, etc. There are also pretty serious questions as to the integrity of the police investigation.

This case, however, has not made a single US news outlett. Kind of a big difference there.



I think this case is going to be getting A LOT more media attention now that the sentence has been dished out. Just look at the way people in this thread are reacting.
As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities.
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
April 24 2012 21:02 GMT
#355
On April 25 2012 05:54 Roflhaxx wrote:
I just find it really hard to believe that he tried to kill them. I mean if he actually wanted to wouldn't he have easily been able to? It's not like it's hard to hit someone with a car if they are just standing there. It is more than obvious that there are some inbred southerners involved.


I don't know how the situation started but when he was in it I believe he tried to provoke a situation were he later could sue someone. I don't think he actually tried to kill anyone, but that he purposely riled up the people by mimicing that he would.
Since he stuck to playing an innocent victim, he crushed his own trustworthiness in the eyes of the court.
That is my theory.
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Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
April 24 2012 21:03 GMT
#356
From what the story says, this sounds outrageous. But without any other sources, I have to assume that this is, even if just a little, a biased article. John sounds way too innocent in this story (which he might indeed be), and the community sounds way too violent. That being said, 5 years minimum is more than outrageous. Maybe one person had minor injuries from getting a foot run over, but five years in prison is just stupid.
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seedfreedom
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada38 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 21:08:37
April 24 2012 21:06 GMT
#357
On April 25 2012 05:53 YourOldBuddy wrote:
I´m presently in Norway although not Norwegian. The story is making all the headlines here. If there is another side to the story it is not being presented and I'm pretty sure some of the media outlets would present it, if was there.

Just looks like a mob attacked a guy for making a simple enough mistake, he panicked and the mob attacks him again and again he panicked. I have read about so many travesties of justice from the states that I usually just always side with whoever is on the receiving side.... and I'm automatically right more often than not.


wait what mob? you mean the people trying to enjoy a festival only to have some guy drive up the wrong side of a street? the people who are in more danger than the guy in the car and are probably more worried for their own safety than about trying to cause harm? the people who realized this guy doesnt give a shit and kept on driving even though everyone was trying to get the guy to realize hes not where hes suppose to be?

no that cant possibly be. must be racism. only logical explanation right?


On April 25 2012 05:54 Roflhaxx wrote:
I just find it really hard to believe that he tried to kill them. I mean if he actually wanted to wouldn't he have easily been able to? It's not like it's hard to hit someone with a car if they are just standing there. It is more than obvious that there are some inbred southerners involved.




i want you to look up the us law definition of reckless endangerment. actually i already did it for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reckless_endangerment
please note the line where it says the accused need not to act intentionally.
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 21:10:18
April 24 2012 21:09 GMT
#358
On April 25 2012 05:53 YourOldBuddy wrote:
I´m presently in Norway although not Norwegian. The story is making all the headlines here. If there is another side to the story it is not being presented and I'm pretty sure some of the media outlets would present it, if was there.

Just looks like a mob attacked a guy for making a simple enough mistake, he panicked and the mob attacks him again and again he panicked. I have read about so many travesties of justice from the states that I usually just always side with whoever is on the receiving side.... and I'm automatically right more often than not.

I don't know the real story but aren't we long past thinking newspapers always report all sides of a story? This reminds me of a similar case with a swedish woman convicted of murder in the US and all swedish newspaper reported her as a "victim" of the US justice system while either purposefully or incompetently failed to report a non-biased version of the events. It wasn't until the media storm had settled we started to get the full picture (for those that managed to catch the follow up articles far back in the papers) of the story. For that case and maybe for this in question you might think the sentancing is harsh but it's most likely not as one sided as things come across initially.

One of the major reason this is often the case in events like this is that even a lot of newspapers write about a story like this, most of them get their source from the same place, basically just repeating the same limited information over and over again. How many of those newspapers have been there at the court? How many have done research more than reporting the superficial evidence that's out there?

Wait a few days/weeks and I bet you there will be more information about this that doesn't fall into line with everthing written today.
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Roflhaxx
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1244 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 21:12:14
April 24 2012 21:10 GMT
#359
On April 25 2012 06:06 seedfreedom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 05:53 YourOldBuddy wrote:
I´m presently in Norway although not Norwegian. The story is making all the headlines here. If there is another side to the story it is not being presented and I'm pretty sure some of the media outlets would present it, if was there.

Just looks like a mob attacked a guy for making a simple enough mistake, he panicked and the mob attacks him again and again he panicked. I have read about so many travesties of justice from the states that I usually just always side with whoever is on the receiving side.... and I'm automatically right more often than not.


wait what mob? you mean the people trying to enjoy a festival only to have some guy drive up the wrong side of a street? the people who are in more danger than the guy in the car and are probably more worried for their own safety than about trying to cause harm? the people who realized this guy doesnt give a shit and kept on driving even though everyone was trying to get the guy to realize hes not where hes suppose to be?

no that cant possibly be. must be racism. only logical explanation right?

Yes, the best way to tell someone they are driving wrong is to go and punch him in the face..

Edit* @Nihlon, the norwegian newspaper that has been linked to earlier actually has journalists in the court room.
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seedfreedom
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada38 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 21:18:36
April 24 2012 21:11 GMT
#360
On April 25 2012 06:10 Roflhaxx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 06:06 seedfreedom wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:53 YourOldBuddy wrote:
I´m presently in Norway although not Norwegian. The story is making all the headlines here. If there is another side to the story it is not being presented and I'm pretty sure some of the media outlets would present it, if was there.

Just looks like a mob attacked a guy for making a simple enough mistake, he panicked and the mob attacks him again and again he panicked. I have read about so many travesties of justice from the states that I usually just always side with whoever is on the receiving side.... and I'm automatically right more often than not.


wait what mob? you mean the people trying to enjoy a festival only to have some guy drive up the wrong side of a street? the people who are in more danger than the guy in the car and are probably more worried for their own safety than about trying to cause harm? the people who realized this guy doesnt give a shit and kept on driving even though everyone was trying to get the guy to realize hes not where hes suppose to be?

no that cant possibly be. must be racism. only logical explanation right?

Yes, the best way to tell someone they are driving wrong is to go and punch him in the face..


they yelled at him at first to get him to get out. he wasnt punched until he almost ran over a woman and her kids.

the Norwegian source said it themselves
"John drives slowly but some people still hurl abuse and make threatening gestures towards the car.
When he tried to turn into the Auto Shop where his Volvo was towed, a crowd surrounded the car and his mother panicked and told him to get out of there. He backed up against a curb and got a flat tire. He stopped a few meters away from a hot dog stand. There is a woman and her kids inside the hot dog stand, the car never made any contact with them or the stand. Many of the witnessess thinks this is deadly dangerous driving. "
i know they want to make it look like the guy was being harassed, but it just makes him look less caring about the well being of others. seriously, people are gesturing to your car and yelling at you and your first though is "huh thats weird. let me in no way try to understand why this random group of people are angry and continue on driving.
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
April 24 2012 21:15 GMT
#361
On April 25 2012 06:10 Roflhaxx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 06:06 seedfreedom wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:53 YourOldBuddy wrote:
I´m presently in Norway although not Norwegian. The story is making all the headlines here. If there is another side to the story it is not being presented and I'm pretty sure some of the media outlets would present it, if was there.

Just looks like a mob attacked a guy for making a simple enough mistake, he panicked and the mob attacks him again and again he panicked. I have read about so many travesties of justice from the states that I usually just always side with whoever is on the receiving side.... and I'm automatically right more often than not.


wait what mob? you mean the people trying to enjoy a festival only to have some guy drive up the wrong side of a street? the people who are in more danger than the guy in the car and are probably more worried for their own safety than about trying to cause harm? the people who realized this guy doesnt give a shit and kept on driving even though everyone was trying to get the guy to realize hes not where hes suppose to be?

no that cant possibly be. must be racism. only logical explanation right?

Yes, the best way to tell someone they are driving wrong is to go and punch him in the face..


According to one of the witnesses "We tried to help him when he drove the wrong way, but he tried to kill me. I hope he gets the help that he needs".
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
Cutlery
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway565 Posts
April 24 2012 21:20 GMT
#362
On April 25 2012 05:49 TheBanana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 05:37 Cutlery wrote:
most of that would not have held in a real court, would it? Witnesses speculating about the intents of someone behind a wheel? If they were sooooo scared of him and his car, why did they put their foot in front of his wheels? Why did they flock to his car? haha... Also the judge allowed hearsay on terrorist charges in his past, didn't he? What a weird thing to do. There's the truth, and there's the truth; but that judge has an IQ of about 87 and wouldn't know the truth eitherway, i mean, hearsay? comeon haha. He was just searching for more ways to nail this guy. Come on. Nothing here made sense at all. Even a 3 year old could tell it made no sense. "Oh mr you can't park here!" WAIT YOU ARE RUNNING OVER MY CHILD. NO, DON'T PARK! WAIT IM SCARED I THINK WE SHOULD STEP CLOSER TO THE CAR WITH THE TEMPORARILY INSANE DRIVER. oh and there is anger!


I don't see how it makes sense to assume every person in the story except the guy and his mother are insane based on the little information we have.


I just recapped the witness' stories and behaviour. None of this was said by the guy and his mother... They might be insane aswell for all I know.
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
April 24 2012 21:20 GMT
#363
On April 25 2012 05:55 Madkipz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 05:49 TheBanana wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:37 Cutlery wrote:
most of that would not have held in a real court, would it? Witnesses speculating about the intents of someone behind a wheel? If they were sooooo scared of him and his car, why did they put their foot in front of his wheels? Why did they flock to his car? haha... Also the judge allowed hearsay on terrorist charges in his past, didn't he? What a weird thing to do. There's the truth, and there's the truth; but that judge has an IQ of about 87 and wouldn't know the truth eitherway, i mean, hearsay? comeon haha. He was just searching for more ways to nail this guy. Come on. Nothing here made sense at all. Even a 3 year old could tell it made no sense. "Oh mr you can't park here!" WAIT YOU ARE RUNNING OVER MY CHILD. NO, DON'T PARK! WAIT IM SCARED I THINK WE SHOULD STEP CLOSER TO THE CAR WITH THE TEMPORARILY INSANE DRIVER. oh and there is anger!


I don't see how it makes sense to assume every person in the story except the guy and his mother are insane based on the little information we have.


What little information? What? We saw in court, the guy that assaulted him left and flipped him the bird. His mother cried tears and acted as if the world had ended and her children wont ever recover. SO yes, of all the witnesses. He appears to be the only sane person.


That's if you assume they are wrong.
If the witnesses are right it's completely understandable to react to (what would then be) blatant lies by leaving and showing emotions.
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
Undrass
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway381 Posts
April 24 2012 21:21 GMT
#364
Another Bash USA thread:/
For all we know the sentence was correct. All we have for information is extremely biased articles from a single norwegian newspaper. We have nowhere enough info to say this is terrible punishment.
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
April 24 2012 21:30 GMT
#365
On April 25 2012 06:20 Cutlery wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 05:49 TheBanana wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:37 Cutlery wrote:
most of that would not have held in a real court, would it? Witnesses speculating about the intents of someone behind a wheel? If they were sooooo scared of him and his car, why did they put their foot in front of his wheels? Why did they flock to his car? haha... Also the judge allowed hearsay on terrorist charges in his past, didn't he? What a weird thing to do. There's the truth, and there's the truth; but that judge has an IQ of about 87 and wouldn't know the truth eitherway, i mean, hearsay? comeon haha. He was just searching for more ways to nail this guy. Come on. Nothing here made sense at all. Even a 3 year old could tell it made no sense. "Oh mr you can't park here!" WAIT YOU ARE RUNNING OVER MY CHILD. NO, DON'T PARK! WAIT IM SCARED I THINK WE SHOULD STEP CLOSER TO THE CAR WITH THE TEMPORARILY INSANE DRIVER. oh and there is anger!


I don't see how it makes sense to assume every person in the story except the guy and his mother are insane based on the little information we have.


I just recapped the witness' stories and behaviour. None of this was said by the guy and his mother... They might be insane aswell for all I know.


No, you didn't recap anything, you mocked people based on you assuming that you yourself know more about the situation then the people that were actually there and that the judge is stupid.
With the information we have, why does it make sense for the witnesses to lie, and not the guy?
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
April 24 2012 21:37 GMT
#366
On April 25 2012 06:21 Undrass wrote:
Another Bash USA thread:/
For all we know the sentence was correct. All we have for information is extremely biased articles from a single norwegian newspaper. We have nowhere enough info to say this is terrible punishment.

The US do have (generally) longer punishments for crimes so it's plausible that some people can accept that he is guilty of everything and still think it's too harsh of a punishment (there's been several people in this thread that have expressed such a opinion).
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dafunk
Profile Joined January 2009
France521 Posts
April 24 2012 21:47 GMT
#367
A guy run over someones toe and gets 7.5 years of jail ?

Is that it ? For real ?
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
April 24 2012 21:52 GMT
#368
Arizona is slowly creeping its way into the ridiculous zone... oh wait they passed that line months ago.
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nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
April 24 2012 21:53 GMT
#369
On April 25 2012 06:47 dafunk wrote:
A guy run over someones toe and gets 7.5 years of jail ?

Is that it ? For real ?

I'm pretty sure it wasn't the toe that got him seven years.
pigtheman
Profile Joined January 2009
United States333 Posts
April 24 2012 22:01 GMT
#370
wow talk about the unluckiest guy ever T.T
arizona has been implementing weird laws ;(
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Gulf
Profile Joined May 2010
Scotland213 Posts
April 24 2012 22:07 GMT
#371
On April 25 2012 06:53 nam nam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 06:47 dafunk wrote:
A guy run over someones toe and gets 7.5 years of jail ?

Is that it ? For real ?

I'm pretty sure it wasn't the toe that got him seven years.


As far as i can tell from the op, it is, he's convicted of assualt with a deadly weapon, the weapon being the car. Not driving offences.
Erik.TheRed
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1655 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 22:09:38
April 24 2012 22:07 GMT
#372
what the fuck...

how is everyone in this story so retarded? The guy was driving around in a rental car, oblivious of people partying in the street, and instead of just stopping and getting out and asking for directions he just keeps going? If he's so culture shocked that he can't even get out of the car then he shouldn't be driving around in another country to begin with.

Then there's the retarded people in the streets, instead of helping this guy out they punch him in the face and act like a bunch of monkeys. Then accusing him of terrorism? A Norwegian? LOL

Honestly, I feel the most sympathies for the police/jury that actually has to try and comprehend what really happened.
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Voltaire
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1485 Posts
April 24 2012 22:08 GMT
#373
Everyone should take note of the fact that Arizona was just voted the stupidest state in the US the other month.
As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities.
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 22:16:27
April 24 2012 22:14 GMT
#374
On April 25 2012 07:07 Erik.TheRed wrote:
what the fuck...

how is everyone in this story so retarded? The guy was driving around in a rental car, oblivious of people partying in the street, and instead of just stopping and getting out and asking for directions he just keeps going? If he's so culture shocked that he can't even get out of the car then he shouldn't be driving around in another country to begin with.

Then there's the retarded people in the streets, instead of helping this guy out they punch him in the face and act like a bunch of monkeys. Then accusing him of terrorism? A Norwegian? LOL

Honestly, I feel the most sympathies for the police/jury that actually has to try and comprehend what really happened.


He's lived in the US for 10+ years (as far as i can tell). They punched him in the face after he started almost driving into people. Who accused him of being a terrorist in relation to this incident?

Did you even read anything before belching all that out?

... Not that there really is anything to read at all on the subject - part of the reason this thread is so pathetic.
Lixler
Profile Joined March 2010
United States265 Posts
April 24 2012 22:15 GMT
#375
On April 25 2012 07:08 Voltaire wrote:
Everyone should take note of the fact that Arizona was just voted the stupidest state in the US the other month.

Alright, but who voted in that poll? Americans, no doubt. Can we really trust the opinion of stupid Americans?
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
April 24 2012 22:17 GMT
#376
I just don't understand why they waited until a day before sentencing to release this information. This also leads me to believe they know more than what they are saying. However with limited time, they could produce this and incite this type of reaction.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 22:33:48
April 24 2012 22:25 GMT
#377
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fifty-plus.friends/browse_thread/thread/4851777de2cf9f85/c562efe3c151d808?hl=en&q=%22John+Larsgard%22#c562efe3c151d808&ei=iGwTS6eaOpW8Qpmqic0O&sa=t&ct=res&cd=2&source=groups&usg=AFQjCNHzJpPjpPQOMNjTwnxKL1fn2l-eOQ

So apparently he wasn't considered a terrorist threat, it was just one of those draconian university disciplinary bullshit kangaroo courts that wanted him gone because he was an asshole (this seems to be a recurring theme for Mr. Larsgard, getting into trouble in numerous places because people think he's acting like an asshole and him then whining about being unfairly targeted).

The more I learn about him the more I think he wasn't just some poor innocent guy who panicked and didn't intend to hurt anyone and boohoohoo, he seems like he has trouble with getting into fights or otherwise unpleasant situations with people.
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stenole
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Norway868 Posts
April 24 2012 22:26 GMT
#378
I think the court has had a much more throrough process of getting all the facts, testimony and evidence from this case than the norwegian journalist(s) has. What is perhaps shocking from a norwegian reference point is the severity of the sentence and that the aggrivated assault with a deadly weapon charge. The use of such a charge when there is no clear intent and the application that the car is equivalent to a gun is a little outlandish. Being put in isolation is already worse than serving a regular sentence in an American jail which is as we all know worse than your average Norwegian jail.

A Norwegian court may at worst have convicted him for negligent bodily harm. Maybe not even that depending on how rationally he could be expected to act when getting your nose broken. In a Norwegian court that has a maximum sentence of 3 years, I believe. The guy punching would be at risk of a more serious charge because there was intent involved. This is all hypothetical though and based on nearly no real infomation about the case.

It seems he has resided in America for a long time though. In his interview he has a distinct American accent. So it is not like he is a tourist on holiday victimized by the American legal system. He lives there, so in many ways he is more American than Norwegian.
Siggen
Profile Joined November 2011
143 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 22:49:19
April 24 2012 22:44 GMT
#379
On April 25 2012 05:48 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 05:43 Cutlery wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:40 seedfreedom wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:39 Madkipz wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:33 seedfreedom wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:29 Madkipz wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:16 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On April 24 2012 19:51 Unreliablex wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:57 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:47 screamingpalm wrote:
Any source for this?


No

It's an extremely long pile of horseshit. At best, most of it is false and spun heavily.



Must suck to be wrong.

I just read this on one of Norways biggest newspapers internettpage, and it disgusted me like fuck.

I do not understand how this is possible, at all. The normal thing to do if someone drives in the wrong direction with the car is to tell them to turn around, not to act like inconsiderate idiots.


Oh my, I am so sorry.

They must never ever have any wrong or biased "facts".

I apologize for not trusting almighty Norway.


The fact that you can sit there, and doubt the integrity of his mother whom sat next to him when those american witnesses sat in court and basically acted out emotional trauma means a lot to me.

Comon: One person got hit on the toe as a result of a scared norwegian flooring his car in reverse, who initially had no intention of hurting anyone and was merely frightened to death by being hit in straight in the face by the leader of an increasingly angry mob.

Witness claims: He tried to kill 6 people by backing into them with his car. The mother and the kids are now emotionally damaged and the father punched the student to "disarm" him of his car.


because the mother of the accused is definitely the most un-biased person in the room and the evil Americans are only out to get foreigners...

also the guy wasnt punched in the face UNTIL HE ALMOST RAN OVER AND KILLED THE MANS WIFE AND KIDS. way to leave out a very crucial detail.


Almost is a big deal here, he had no intention of hurting anyone and nobody died. This in no way constitutes to fucking 7.5 years in jail.


your right. the almost is what stops this from being manslaughter. doesnt get the guy off the hook.


Sounds weird. Everytime you drive by a pedestrian, do you almost kill him? If you, by accident, get one wheel half atop the sidewalk, do you almost kill someone? When kids play in the street and you are driving 2 miles per hour, do you almost kill them? I mean, you are in-fact holding a weapon pretty close to their heads.

I'm scared of studying in the US now. I think I'll stay clear of the typical southern states for sure.


Most of the people in the south is incredibly nice. Some of our laws are definitely fucked up. If you're that paranoid the west coast is pretty nice. But I mean, I wouldn't worry about being arrested. So long as you don't get involved with drugs or commit a crime you really don't have much to worry about.


overt you have a lot of good points in this discussion! I have been in the south and everyone is so nice and friendly.

The things that I feel is frightening about the US however, is that you can go to jail and possibly ruin much of your life because of silly mistakes you were unaware was wrong to do or because you were a place you did not know was wrong to be in. In my mind are those people who are in jail, people who are criminals with an intention of doing crimes and not for people who broke a rule they did not know of. Here I feel that you should get a fine for breaking a rule.

In this case I get that the people witnessed this feel that the man is a danger for other people in the way he acted and therefore should be put away from the society so that he can not endanger more people, but I think it sad that if this was not intentional etc, that he is put away with criminals for a long time for a mistake of no criminal intention.
Siggen
Profile Joined November 2011
143 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 22:48:56
April 24 2012 22:48 GMT
#380
Double post, sorry!
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
April 24 2012 22:54 GMT
#381
What a horrficially biased article. I can easily see their next headline:
"Fanatic US luddites attempt to discredit neutral journalism with faulty logic and flagrant racism."
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sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 24 2012 22:55 GMT
#382
On April 25 2012 07:15 Lixler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 07:08 Voltaire wrote:
Everyone should take note of the fact that Arizona was just voted the stupidest state in the US the other month.

Alright, but who voted in that poll? Americans, no doubt. Can we really trust the opinion of stupid Americans?

Who would know better than neighboring states? ~_~
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 22:58:50
April 24 2012 22:57 GMT
#383
This has been stuck in my head, where is the proof other than his word and his mother's that it was unintentional? From what I've been reading about his past living here in the US and even growing up in Norway, he sure does seem to consistently have problems with a lot of people, and it's always unintentional.

He had to leave school in Norway because he was being horribly bullied according to him and his mother; not his fault. He's the victim.

He got kicked out of university in Alabama, he's the victim again. He lied to Norwegian papers about the whole situation, it wasn't some ridiculous post-9/11 fearmongering potential terrorist thing, turns out people couldn't stand him and basically he got kicked out because he was an intolerable jerk too often. Still, no bad intent on his part.

He stalked some girl and made her family move to Chicago and followed them there. Then there was a fight involving him and two of the girl's relatives; again, he was the victim. They attacked him unprovoked, he wasn't doing anything wrong.

Now, this. Again, all unintentional on his part, again, he's the victim, again, he did nothing wrong, it was all someone else.

Kind of strains credulity that he keeps getting into shit and it's never ever his fault, he never intended anything to happen like what happened, it's all other people victimizing him, everyone else is to blame.
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woody60707
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1863 Posts
April 24 2012 22:58 GMT
#384
I like the part were he said all the wittiness were all related. ...So was this guy being a bigot when he said that?
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
April 24 2012 23:01 GMT
#385
In the spirit of the internetz, I believe that Americans should be a bit more relaxed and not settle everything in court. But the american court system has inspired so many good tv shows so i guess it all adds up. I love suits.+ Show Spoiler +
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aeroblaster
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States422 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 23:03:23
April 24 2012 23:02 GMT
#386
Sweden
On April 24 2012 16:49 Tobberoth wrote:
2. The reason why there's a lot of USA bashing is not, as you might think, because europeans like to nitpick some rare isolated events. It's because stuff such as this actually comes up so ridiculously often, all over the US. Yeah, it might be a very bad representation, but then again, we know a lot about your political system etc. The reason you're not picking on Sweden, for example, is because you probably don't know too much about Sweden, we aren't in the spotlight like the US. That's simply the downside of being a superpower, everyone has their eyes on the US.


Germany
On April 24 2012 17:28 dezi wrote:
Only in america ... joke-country keeps being a joke-country. Always has been and always will be a 3rd world country in terms of rights.

User was temp banned for this post.


And you call US the assholes? It's the other countries that are all assholes.
This is how we americans fucking feel when you guys spout your nonsense
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Like seriously guys what the fuck?

Sweden and Germany must be full of dicks like you right? According to your way of thinking, I guess we should believe your WHOLE country is one giant dick just because a few of you were assholes.

Stop with your shit.
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acerockolla
Profile Joined June 2011
United States219 Posts
April 24 2012 23:07 GMT
#387
On April 25 2012 07:57 DeepElemBlues wrote:
This has been stuck in my head, where is the proof other than his word and his mother's that it was unintentional? From what I've been reading about his past living here in the US and even growing up in Norway, he sure does seem to consistently have problems with a lot of people, and it's always unintentional.

He had to leave school in Norway because he was being horribly bullied according to him and his mother; not his fault. He's the victim.

He got kicked out of university in Alabama, he's the victim again. He lied to Norwegian papers about the whole situation, it wasn't some ridiculous post-9/11 fearmongering potential terrorist thing, turns out people couldn't stand him and basically he got kicked out because he was an intolerable jerk too often. Still, no bad intent on his part.

He stalked some girl and made her family move to Chicago and followed them there. Then there was a fight involving him and two of the girl's relatives; again, he was the victim. They attacked him unprovoked, he wasn't doing anything wrong.

Now, this. Again, all unintentional on his part, again, he's the victim, again, he did nothing wrong, it was all someone else.

Kind of strains credulity that he keeps getting into shit and it's never ever his fault, he never intended anything to happen like what happened, it's all other people victimizing him, everyone else is to blame.


That's the same way I read everything... I would not be inclined to believe his side of the story. Perhaps.. just perhaps, he did something wrong and is now facing the consequences.
EienShinwa
Profile Joined May 2010
United States655 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 23:09:53
April 24 2012 23:08 GMT
#388
Don't know... mixed feelings after reading some of the comments.
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cristo1122
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia505 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 23:17:55
April 24 2012 23:13 GMT
#389
another only in america moment one might say but then again some things about this dont add up people dont just randomly get angry and abusive at someone becauser they are doing something unintentional, on another note minimmum sentancing is pretty stupid as it dosent allow judges to take into account each individual case and can result in situations where an individual is given an overly excessive sentence relative to the severity of the act.
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Farad
Profile Joined November 2010
216 Posts
April 24 2012 23:21 GMT
#390
On April 25 2012 07:57 DeepElemBlues wrote:
This has been stuck in my head, where is the proof other than his word and his mother's that it was unintentional?


Where is the proof this was an aggrevated assault with a deadly weapon, other than this man who punched him and his angry friends?

I thought one was innocent until proven otherwise, but apparently not.....
cristo1122
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia505 Posts
April 24 2012 23:23 GMT
#391
http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/illinois/ilndce/1:2002cv04282/122787/117

interesting link concerning his activities in 2002
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seedfreedom
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada38 Posts
April 24 2012 23:37 GMT
#392
On April 25 2012 08:21 Farad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 07:57 DeepElemBlues wrote:
This has been stuck in my head, where is the proof other than his word and his mother's that it was unintentional?


Where is the proof this was an aggrevated assault with a deadly weapon, other than this man who punched him and his angry friends?

I thought one was innocent until proven otherwise, but apparently not.....


hes trying to determine intent.
your arguing something that all sides acknowledge has happened. the people with the broken feet can serve as proof for that.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
April 24 2012 23:39 GMT
#393
On April 25 2012 08:21 Farad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 07:57 DeepElemBlues wrote:
This has been stuck in my head, where is the proof other than his word and his mother's that it was unintentional?


Where is the proof this was an aggrevated assault with a deadly weapon, other than this man who punched him and his angry friends?

I thought one was innocent until proven otherwise, but apparently not.....


Today was sentencing, so it has already been proven otherwise. You can take the events that occurred and interpret them how you like but they lend themselves either way, he wasn't trying to hurt anyone and there were only minimal injuries to two people, or he was trying to hurt them or didn't care about hurting them and it was lucky that only two people got minimal injuries.

Apparently after he was punched in the nose he screamed that he was going to kill everyone according to testimony, of course you've already decided based on the flimsiest of rationales that all the testimony except his is bullshit.
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DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
April 24 2012 23:41 GMT
#394
Wait... witnesses said he said he was going to kill everyone?
xtruder
Profile Joined October 2011
Afghanistan135 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 23:49:04
April 24 2012 23:48 GMT
#395
wait wait wait.... he gets his car surrounded and his nose broken and HE's the one charged with a crime? If you surround a car and mob it and you get run over, it's your damn fault. If you run into the highway and get run over by a car, the driver is not at fault.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
April 24 2012 23:51 GMT
#396
On April 25 2012 08:48 xtruder wrote:
wait wait wait.... he gets his car surrounded and his nose broken and HE's the one charged with a crime? If you surround a car and mob it and you get run over, it's your damn fault. If you run into the highway and get run over by a car, the driver is not at fault.


The road was closed for a music festival and he drove down it not once but twice, the fact that he did it twice probably looked pretty bad to the DA and judge. He waived his right to a jury trial and had a bench trial and the judge convicted him.
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FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
April 24 2012 23:53 GMT
#397
On April 25 2012 08:48 xtruder wrote:
wait wait wait.... he gets his car surrounded and his nose broken and HE's the one charged with a crime? If you surround a car and mob it and you get run over, it's your damn fault. If you run into the highway and get run over by a car, the driver is not at fault.


Except the driver continued to drive down a one way street during a music festival. Oh yeah, the wrong way down the street. And he didn't stop once he realized it.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 23:58:02
April 24 2012 23:57 GMT
#398
Here's a protip: if you're charged with a crime and don't want to take a plea, you want a trial, never, ever waive your right to a jury trial and have a bench trial instead. A judge is not going to be more likely to think you're innocent than a jury.
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Farad
Profile Joined November 2010
216 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 00:01:18
April 24 2012 23:59 GMT
#399
On April 25 2012 08:39 DeepElemBlues wrote:
of course you've already decided based on the flimsiest of rationales that all the testimony except his is bullshit.


Sorry, I fail at reading. But you've reached the right conclusion

Except the driver continued to drive down a one way street during a music festival. Oh yeah, the wrong way down the street. And he didn't stop once he realized it.


Clearly, this calls for 7,5 years in jail!
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
April 25 2012 00:02 GMT
#400
On April 25 2012 08:59 Farad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 08:39 DeepElemBlues wrote:
of course you've already decided based on the flimsiest of rationales that all the testimony except his is bullshit.


Sorry, I fail at reading. But you've reached the right conclusion

Show nested quote +
Except the driver continued to drive down a one way street during a music festival. Oh yeah, the wrong way down the street. And he didn't stop once he realized it.


Clearly, this calls for 7,5 years in jail!


Except that had nothing to do with the post I was responding to. Please read in the context of my reply, thanks.
Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
April 25 2012 00:02 GMT
#401
Wow, this just makes me sad. There is no reason to put a kid behind bars for something this stupid. And hes in a foreign country. And probably cant even speak the language well.
Your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others -Heart of Darkness
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
April 25 2012 00:03 GMT
#402
On April 25 2012 09:02 Sanguinarius wrote:
Wow, this just makes me sad. There is no reason to put a kid behind bars for something this stupid. And hes in a foreign country. And probably cant even speak the language well.


He's lived in America for a decade.
seedfreedom
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada38 Posts
April 25 2012 00:04 GMT
#403
hes not some lost tourist who got caught up in a festival, with a culture and customs hes not use to. Hes been in the US for 10 years. Theres really no excuse.
screamingpalm
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1527 Posts
April 25 2012 00:04 GMT
#404
On April 25 2012 07:25 DeepElemBlues wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fifty-plus.friends/browse_thread/thread/4851777de2cf9f85/c562efe3c151d808?hl=en&q=%22John+Larsgard%22#c562efe3c151d808&ei=iGwTS6eaOpW8Qpmqic0O&sa=t&ct=res&cd=2&source=groups&usg=AFQjCNHzJpPjpPQOMNjTwnxKL1fn2l-eOQ

So apparently he wasn't considered a terrorist threat, it was just one of those draconian university disciplinary bullshit kangaroo courts that wanted him gone because he was an asshole (this seems to be a recurring theme for Mr. Larsgard, getting into trouble in numerous places because people think he's acting like an asshole and him then whining about being unfairly targeted).

The more I learn about him the more I think he wasn't just some poor innocent guy who panicked and didn't intend to hurt anyone and boohoohoo, he seems like he has trouble with getting into fights or otherwise unpleasant situations with people.


Thanks for posting more info... I can't log in to read it yet, but I don't think it is illegal to be an asshole lol. It reminds me why I don't go out much... I would constatly be in some kind of trouble. Especially the way people act on public transportation... drives me nuts. Even then I'm often walking on a razor's edge with idiotic truancy officers harassing me at home, etc. Just a matter of time for me I think.
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Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
April 25 2012 00:05 GMT
#405
On April 25 2012 09:03 DannyJ wrote:
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On April 25 2012 09:02 Sanguinarius wrote:
Wow, this just makes me sad. There is no reason to put a kid behind bars for something this stupid. And hes in a foreign country. And probably cant even speak the language well.


He's lived in America for a decade.


I see people every day who have lived here their whole life and still speak Spanish only with a very rudimentary understanding of English. We have to bring in translators alot.
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seedfreedom
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada38 Posts
April 25 2012 00:07 GMT
#406
On April 25 2012 09:05 Sanguinarius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 09:03 DannyJ wrote:
On April 25 2012 09:02 Sanguinarius wrote:
Wow, this just makes me sad. There is no reason to put a kid behind bars for something this stupid. And hes in a foreign country. And probably cant even speak the language well.


He's lived in America for a decade.


I see people every day who have lived here their whole life and still speak Spanish only with a very rudimentary understanding of English. We have to bring in translators alot.

except those are usually migrant workers. this is a 33 year old guy who came for university schooling. He speaks the language perfectly fine.
Heckster
Profile Joined May 2011
United States5 Posts
April 25 2012 00:35 GMT
#407
Unfortunately, just like all other countries legal systems, the United States' legal system has flaws since legislation is also influenced on verdicts of trials. That being said, this part of the legal system is a way to adapt into the ever-changing world but is sometimes not the best way to solve problems. I didn't read all the comments since I am short on time but even being American, he should not be found guilty if he was actually innocent, but I feel like that the OP was extremely biased and potentially to the other extreme, but maybe not. If i was that father I would have been angered as well, and I hope any father would be..
All in all I wish there was video footage so I could see for myself, because on one hand, being a music festival it was most likely blocked off and obvious not to go down at all, but at the same token, I would also flee if someone punched me and a mob was around my car.
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GrandMaPwnZ.
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway84 Posts
April 25 2012 00:52 GMT
#408
How incredibly sad.
Wivyx
Profile Joined May 2009
Norway624 Posts
April 25 2012 00:52 GMT
#409
On April 25 2012 09:04 seedfreedom wrote:
hes not some lost tourist who got caught up in a festival, with a culture and customs hes not use to. Hes been in the US for 10 years. Theres really no excuse.


Sure, but 7.5 years in prison? A ticket would've been enough!
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
April 25 2012 00:58 GMT
#410
On April 25 2012 09:52 Wivyx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 09:04 seedfreedom wrote:
hes not some lost tourist who got caught up in a festival, with a culture and customs hes not use to. Hes been in the US for 10 years. Theres really no excuse.


Sure, but 7.5 years in prison? A ticket would've been enough!


Well, maybe in your country. What he did is more severe in the states, and I think rightfully so. I'm not necessarily saying I agree with the actual sentence, but surely more than a ticket. Maybe a steep fine. (unless that qualifies as a ticket, for some reason I think a ticket is simply a cop writes you up and you pay without any court decision, etc.). Jail time is debatable, we don't know the complete circumstances. I'll agree 7.5 years sounds over the top though.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10496 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 01:05:28
April 25 2012 00:59 GMT
#411
On April 25 2012 06:11 seedfreedom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 06:10 Roflhaxx wrote:
On April 25 2012 06:06 seedfreedom wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:53 YourOldBuddy wrote:
I´m presently in Norway although not Norwegian. The story is making all the headlines here. If there is another side to the story it is not being presented and I'm pretty sure some of the media outlets would present it, if was there.

Just looks like a mob attacked a guy for making a simple enough mistake, he panicked and the mob attacks him again and again he panicked. I have read about so many travesties of justice from the states that I usually just always side with whoever is on the receiving side.... and I'm automatically right more often than not.


wait what mob? you mean the people trying to enjoy a festival only to have some guy drive up the wrong side of a street? the people who are in more danger than the guy in the car and are probably more worried for their own safety than about trying to cause harm? the people who realized this guy doesnt give a shit and kept on driving even though everyone was trying to get the guy to realize hes not where hes suppose to be?

no that cant possibly be. must be racism. only logical explanation right?

Yes, the best way to tell someone they are driving wrong is to go and punch him in the face..


they yelled at him at first to get him to get out. he wasnt punched until he almost ran over a woman and her kids.

the Norwegian source said it themselves
"John drives slowly but some people still hurl abuse and make threatening gestures towards the car.
When he tried to turn into the Auto Shop where his Volvo was towed, a crowd surrounded the car and his mother panicked and told him to get out of there. He backed up against a curb and got a flat tire. He stopped a few meters away from a hot dog stand. There is a woman and her kids inside the hot dog stand, the car never made any contact with them or the stand. Many of the witnessess thinks this is deadly dangerous driving. "
i know they want to make it look like the guy was being harassed, but it just makes him look less caring about the well being of others. seriously, people are gesturing to your car and yelling at you and your first though is "huh thats weird. let me in no way try to understand why this random group of people are angry and continue on driving.


nm, didnt read your post well enough
wurm
Profile Joined October 2007
Philippines2296 Posts
April 25 2012 01:06 GMT
#412
I'm honestly not surprised. Celebrities can kill/threaten to kill people/embezzle millions and not spend any jail time in America, but the average Joe can spend up to a decade in jail for what other people get 1-2 years minimum. Justice system my ass.
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FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 01:21:46
April 25 2012 01:14 GMT
#413
On April 25 2012 10:06 wurm wrote:
I'm honestly not surprised. Celebrities can kill/threaten to kill people/embezzle millions and not spend any jail time in America, but the average Joe can spend up to a decade in jail for what other people get 1-2 years minimum. Justice system my ass.


What celebrities have been convicted of killing someone and not spent any time in jail?

And what do you mean "for what other people get 1-2 years minimum?

What celebrities even need to embezzle millions?

I don't follow that stuff as much as I do foreign policy though, I must admit.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10496 Posts
April 25 2012 01:27 GMT
#414
On April 25 2012 10:06 wurm wrote:
I'm honestly not surprised. Celebrities can kill/threaten to kill people/embezzle millions and not spend any jail time in America, but the average Joe can spend up to a decade in jail for what other people get 1-2 years minimum. Justice system my ass.


Pretty sure you're just basing that on your perception. U.S. is pretty good at treating celebrities the same as ordinary citizens. Celebrities go to jail all the time, even for white collar crimes, e.g. Martha Stewart, Richard Hatch, Wesley Snipes, etc.
Brawndo
Profile Joined February 2011
United States35 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 01:28:33
April 25 2012 01:28 GMT
#415
Google translate changes his name to Lars Farm. If you guys Google John Kristoffer Larsgard you can find more discussion on him.
TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
April 25 2012 01:34 GMT
#416
On April 25 2012 10:06 wurm wrote:
I'm honestly not surprised. Celebrities can kill/threaten to kill people/embezzle millions and not spend any jail time in America, but the average Joe can spend up to a decade in jail for what other people get 1-2 years minimum. Justice system my ass.


See, now you're just making crap up.

I'm sure the justice system in the Philippines is a modern marvel of civil rights and equal protection Stop holding the US to different standards than you would for other countries because of your personal beliefs about our government.
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RancidTurnip
Profile Joined August 2010
United States105 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 01:38:15
April 25 2012 01:37 GMT
#417
Wow, Americans like myself sure are stupid. In fact we are so ignorant that we read biased news articles and instantly believe everything it says prior to checking other sources.

It makes us wonder how we all became so stupid with 72.4% of the population having come from the glorious and all knowing European continent... Oh wait..
CrAyZeD
Profile Joined January 2012
United States36 Posts
April 25 2012 01:46 GMT
#418
this shames me as an american im sorry rest of the world
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Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
April 25 2012 02:03 GMT
#419
Not really sure why people are surprised that a journalist would write a story horribly biased in favor of a countryman who was being prosecuted in another country for criminal acts they committed.

Too bad people will instantly believe anything they read on the internet without applying critical thinking skills, it really is tiresome reading so many 'american suxs!' posts on this forum, especially when they are not warranted.

Sure the usa screws up a lot, but so does everyone else, yell at them for stuff that is truly bad, not for things that make sense.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
April 25 2012 02:07 GMT
#420
On April 25 2012 11:03 Saryph wrote:
Not really sure why people are surprised that a journalist would write a story horribly biased in favor of a countryman who was being prosecuted in another country for criminal acts they committed.

Too bad people will instantly believe anything they read on the internet without applying critical thinking skills, it really is tiresome reading so many 'american suxs!' posts on this forum, especially when they are not warranted.

Sure the usa screws up a lot, but so does everyone else, yell at them for stuff that is truly bad, not for things that make sense.


Despite claims by Scandinavians that they try to be as unbiased as possible and view nationalism as a negative force, they are widely regarded, in the U.S. at least, as one of the most nationalistic areas (Norway/Sweden/Finland by "areas") in the entire world. Very, very convinced they have everything better figured out than other people.

Although if you were going to have to make an argument, they seem to have a pretty damn good rehabilitative system in Norway. I wouldn't want to live there myself, but they do usually top standard of livings charts. It's just their sense of "oh, in OUR country we'd do it this way, which is clearly the more CIVILIZED way" in every single argument that irks me T_T.
Supamang
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2298 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 03:07:56
April 25 2012 03:05 GMT
#421
How about the OP updates the OP with some of the information being posted within the thread? People are just gonna keep coming into this thread reading only the biased article and then posting some irrational, emotionally charged response about how Americans should be more rational and less emotionally charged.

Until the OP updates to include all information, both supporting and refuting the guy's story, this is just another thread for attracting thoughtless US bashers

overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 03:58:11
April 25 2012 03:56 GMT
#422
On April 25 2012 10:14 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 10:06 wurm wrote:
I'm honestly not surprised. Celebrities can kill/threaten to kill people/embezzle millions and not spend any jail time in America, but the average Joe can spend up to a decade in jail for what other people get 1-2 years minimum. Justice system my ass.


What celebrities have been convicted of killing someone and not spent any time in jail?

And what do you mean "for what other people get 1-2 years minimum?

What celebrities even need to embezzle millions?

I don't follow that stuff as much as I do foreign policy though, I must admit.


Roman Polanski rings a bell to me. He raped a child and found safe haven in Europe. Was terrified of coming to the US because he'd actually be charged here.

On April 25 2012 11:03 Saryph wrote:
Not really sure why people are surprised that a journalist would write a story horribly biased in favor of a countryman who was being prosecuted in another country for criminal acts they committed.

Too bad people will instantly believe anything they read on the internet without applying critical thinking skills, it really is tiresome reading so many 'american suxs!' posts on this forum, especially when they are not warranted.

Sure the usa screws up a lot, but so does everyone else, yell at them for stuff that is truly bad, not for things that make sense.


While we still don't have all of the facts of this story and while I still do think that this guy isn't as innocent as people have claimed, let's be fair here. The US legal system is fucked up for two reasons, our penalties are insanely harsh compared to most European countries and our prisons aren't rehabilitation facilities. They are facilities where people who broke the law usually become hardened criminals.

People are definitely overreacting to this a bit because this guy probably isn't a victim of an evil US legal system. But wouldn't Americans be just as upset if a US citizen committed a crime in a country that had even harsher penalties and even worse prisons than we do? I'd like to think we would.

If it makes anyone feel better, while his sentence is 7.5 he'll probably only serve 3 maybe 4 years. Still a long ass sentence in US prisons, still probably too harsh of a sentence considering his only real crime was negligence and dangerous behavior, but really nothing to make broad generalizations about America as a whole. And if anything hopefully this can help bring light to two things. First, the US really needs to consider re-vamping it's prison and legal system to have more adequate punishments (especially for drug offenders) and we need to make our prisons for rehabilitation purposes rather than just housing people who broke laws so that they join prison gangs, get addicted to drugs, or learn how to be criminals. Second, it should help shed light to those who didn't realize it before that every country has biased media. The sheer number of Norweigans who posted on this thread claiming that their media isn't biased was astonishing to be honest.
tokicheese
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada739 Posts
April 25 2012 04:21 GMT
#423
On April 25 2012 12:56 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 10:14 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 25 2012 10:06 wurm wrote:
I'm honestly not surprised. Celebrities can kill/threaten to kill people/embezzle millions and not spend any jail time in America, but the average Joe can spend up to a decade in jail for what other people get 1-2 years minimum. Justice system my ass.


What celebrities have been convicted of killing someone and not spent any time in jail?

And what do you mean "for what other people get 1-2 years minimum?

What celebrities even need to embezzle millions?

I don't follow that stuff as much as I do foreign policy though, I must admit.


Roman Polanski rings a bell to me. He raped a child and found safe haven in Europe. Was terrified of coming to the US because he'd actually be charged here.

Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 11:03 Saryph wrote:
Not really sure why people are surprised that a journalist would write a story horribly biased in favor of a countryman who was being prosecuted in another country for criminal acts they committed.

Too bad people will instantly believe anything they read on the internet without applying critical thinking skills, it really is tiresome reading so many 'american suxs!' posts on this forum, especially when they are not warranted.

Sure the usa screws up a lot, but so does everyone else, yell at them for stuff that is truly bad, not for things that make sense.


While we still don't have all of the facts of this story and while I still do think that this guy isn't as innocent as people have claimed, let's be fair here. The US legal system is fucked up for two reasons, our penalties are insanely harsh compared to most European countries and our prisons aren't rehabilitation facilities. They are facilities where people who broke the law usually become hardened criminals.

People are definitely overreacting to this a bit because this guy probably isn't a victim of an evil US legal system. But wouldn't Americans be just as upset if a US citizen committed a crime in a country that had even harsher penalties and even worse prisons than we do? I'd like to think we would.

If it makes anyone feel better, while his sentence is 7.5 he'll probably only serve 3 maybe 4 years. Still a long ass sentence in US prisons, still probably too harsh of a sentence considering his only real crime was negligence and dangerous behavior, but really nothing to make broad generalizations about America as a whole. And if anything hopefully this can help bring light to two things. First, the US really needs to consider re-vamping it's prison and legal system to have more adequate punishments (especially for drug offenders) and we need to make our prisons for rehabilitation purposes rather than just housing people who broke laws so that they join prison gangs, get addicted to drugs, or learn how to be criminals. Second, it should help shed light to those who didn't realize it before that every country has biased media. The sheer number of Norweigans who posted on this thread claiming that their media isn't biased was astonishing to be honest.

http://newworldorderreport.com/News/tabid/266/ID/8467/A-man-steals-billions-and-gets-40-months-in-jail-homeless-man-takes-100-dollars-for-food-and-detox-and-gets-15-years.aspx

Stuff like this is what he was referring to about celebrities I think
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acerockolla
Profile Joined June 2011
United States219 Posts
April 25 2012 04:31 GMT
#424
On April 25 2012 13:21 tokicheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 12:56 overt wrote:
On April 25 2012 10:14 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 25 2012 10:06 wurm wrote:
I'm honestly not surprised. Celebrities can kill/threaten to kill people/embezzle millions and not spend any jail time in America, but the average Joe can spend up to a decade in jail for what other people get 1-2 years minimum. Justice system my ass.


What celebrities have been convicted of killing someone and not spent any time in jail?

And what do you mean "for what other people get 1-2 years minimum?

What celebrities even need to embezzle millions?

I don't follow that stuff as much as I do foreign policy though, I must admit.


Roman Polanski rings a bell to me. He raped a child and found safe haven in Europe. Was terrified of coming to the US because he'd actually be charged here.

On April 25 2012 11:03 Saryph wrote:
Not really sure why people are surprised that a journalist would write a story horribly biased in favor of a countryman who was being prosecuted in another country for criminal acts they committed.

Too bad people will instantly believe anything they read on the internet without applying critical thinking skills, it really is tiresome reading so many 'american suxs!' posts on this forum, especially when they are not warranted.

Sure the usa screws up a lot, but so does everyone else, yell at them for stuff that is truly bad, not for things that make sense.


While we still don't have all of the facts of this story and while I still do think that this guy isn't as innocent as people have claimed, let's be fair here. The US legal system is fucked up for two reasons, our penalties are insanely harsh compared to most European countries and our prisons aren't rehabilitation facilities. They are facilities where people who broke the law usually become hardened criminals.

People are definitely overreacting to this a bit because this guy probably isn't a victim of an evil US legal system. But wouldn't Americans be just as upset if a US citizen committed a crime in a country that had even harsher penalties and even worse prisons than we do? I'd like to think we would.

If it makes anyone feel better, while his sentence is 7.5 he'll probably only serve 3 maybe 4 years. Still a long ass sentence in US prisons, still probably too harsh of a sentence considering his only real crime was negligence and dangerous behavior, but really nothing to make broad generalizations about America as a whole. And if anything hopefully this can help bring light to two things. First, the US really needs to consider re-vamping it's prison and legal system to have more adequate punishments (especially for drug offenders) and we need to make our prisons for rehabilitation purposes rather than just housing people who broke laws so that they join prison gangs, get addicted to drugs, or learn how to be criminals. Second, it should help shed light to those who didn't realize it before that every country has biased media. The sheer number of Norweigans who posted on this thread claiming that their media isn't biased was astonishing to be honest.

http://newworldorderreport.com/News/tabid/266/ID/8467/A-man-steals-billions-and-gets-40-months-in-jail-homeless-man-takes-100-dollars-for-food-and-detox-and-gets-15-years.aspx

Stuff like this is what he was referring to about celebrities I think


Heh.. That article is just another example on how people blindly believe whatever they are told. http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/roybrown.asp Whereas there is merit behind having the money to afford a good defense, there is no comparison to be made between those two crimes as it's apple and oranges.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
April 25 2012 04:49 GMT
#425
On April 25 2012 13:31 acerockolla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 13:21 tokicheese wrote:
On April 25 2012 12:56 overt wrote:
On April 25 2012 10:14 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 25 2012 10:06 wurm wrote:
I'm honestly not surprised. Celebrities can kill/threaten to kill people/embezzle millions and not spend any jail time in America, but the average Joe can spend up to a decade in jail for what other people get 1-2 years minimum. Justice system my ass.


What celebrities have been convicted of killing someone and not spent any time in jail?

And what do you mean "for what other people get 1-2 years minimum?

What celebrities even need to embezzle millions?

I don't follow that stuff as much as I do foreign policy though, I must admit.


Roman Polanski rings a bell to me. He raped a child and found safe haven in Europe. Was terrified of coming to the US because he'd actually be charged here.

On April 25 2012 11:03 Saryph wrote:
Not really sure why people are surprised that a journalist would write a story horribly biased in favor of a countryman who was being prosecuted in another country for criminal acts they committed.

Too bad people will instantly believe anything they read on the internet without applying critical thinking skills, it really is tiresome reading so many 'american suxs!' posts on this forum, especially when they are not warranted.

Sure the usa screws up a lot, but so does everyone else, yell at them for stuff that is truly bad, not for things that make sense.


While we still don't have all of the facts of this story and while I still do think that this guy isn't as innocent as people have claimed, let's be fair here. The US legal system is fucked up for two reasons, our penalties are insanely harsh compared to most European countries and our prisons aren't rehabilitation facilities. They are facilities where people who broke the law usually become hardened criminals.

People are definitely overreacting to this a bit because this guy probably isn't a victim of an evil US legal system. But wouldn't Americans be just as upset if a US citizen committed a crime in a country that had even harsher penalties and even worse prisons than we do? I'd like to think we would.

If it makes anyone feel better, while his sentence is 7.5 he'll probably only serve 3 maybe 4 years. Still a long ass sentence in US prisons, still probably too harsh of a sentence considering his only real crime was negligence and dangerous behavior, but really nothing to make broad generalizations about America as a whole. And if anything hopefully this can help bring light to two things. First, the US really needs to consider re-vamping it's prison and legal system to have more adequate punishments (especially for drug offenders) and we need to make our prisons for rehabilitation purposes rather than just housing people who broke laws so that they join prison gangs, get addicted to drugs, or learn how to be criminals. Second, it should help shed light to those who didn't realize it before that every country has biased media. The sheer number of Norweigans who posted on this thread claiming that their media isn't biased was astonishing to be honest.

http://newworldorderreport.com/News/tabid/266/ID/8467/A-man-steals-billions-and-gets-40-months-in-jail-homeless-man-takes-100-dollars-for-food-and-detox-and-gets-15-years.aspx

Stuff like this is what he was referring to about celebrities I think


Heh.. That article is just another example on how people blindly believe whatever they are told. http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/roybrown.asp Whereas there is merit behind having the money to afford a good defense, there is no comparison to be made between those two crimes as it's apple and oranges.


I don't think it's that common, and bank robberies are considered to be quite the severe crime, regardless of your intentions, not that I support the ruling in any way. It was the physical robbery that mattered, I mean, if he defrauded people of $100 online it wouldn't have been near as severe.

And it's not like that investor fraud guy paid off the judges or anything, he most likely just had an amazing lawyer that looked up loopholes in the system... I guess you can knock on the system for following the book to strictly rather than leaving things up for interpretation. I'd agree with that. The fear is simply inconsistencies I'd imagine.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25258 Posts
April 25 2012 05:16 GMT
#426
Ah, all 22 pages trawled through, was looking for some further articles but none were forthcoming. I really did want there to be another side presented in print form as the Norwegian one seemed questionable to me at the least. Until the facts are better established I can't really

One thing that does bother me is the strange sentencing that seems to exist in the States, it's not all bad of course and there is variation between the states in this regard. Taking cases and comparing ridiculous sentencing isn't really fair of course, it's just hyperbolic, but at least in the media I consume I do see insane sentences handed out to Americans.

As FabledIntegral pointed out, Norway seems to have a more rehabililative approach to criminal justice, the United States is more geared towards punishing offenders. When discussing the relative merits of nations, something like that is at least a concrete, definable area that is worth talking about. The stupid fucking nation bashing is ridiculous though! Granted I am currently experiencing a visceral hatred for the USA, but that's only due to the Stephano-related chant that ruins every LR thread, it'll pass!

Finally, even good media outlets that cover international and domestic affairs even-handedly, seem to dole out one-sided nonsense when compatriots are imprisoned elsewhere though. This is in evidence in the UK of late with a lot of the coverage of subjects of extradition requests, especially file-sharers and the like. They're often portrayed as some kind of harmless eccentric who meant no harm and did something due to social retardation or clumsiness, interestingly not too different from the article the OP linked to!





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tokicheese
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada739 Posts
April 25 2012 05:26 GMT
#427
On April 25 2012 13:31 acerockolla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 13:21 tokicheese wrote:
On April 25 2012 12:56 overt wrote:
On April 25 2012 10:14 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 25 2012 10:06 wurm wrote:
I'm honestly not surprised. Celebrities can kill/threaten to kill people/embezzle millions and not spend any jail time in America, but the average Joe can spend up to a decade in jail for what other people get 1-2 years minimum. Justice system my ass.


What celebrities have been convicted of killing someone and not spent any time in jail?

And what do you mean "for what other people get 1-2 years minimum?

What celebrities even need to embezzle millions?

I don't follow that stuff as much as I do foreign policy though, I must admit.


Roman Polanski rings a bell to me. He raped a child and found safe haven in Europe. Was terrified of coming to the US because he'd actually be charged here.

On April 25 2012 11:03 Saryph wrote:
Not really sure why people are surprised that a journalist would write a story horribly biased in favor of a countryman who was being prosecuted in another country for criminal acts they committed.

Too bad people will instantly believe anything they read on the internet without applying critical thinking skills, it really is tiresome reading so many 'american suxs!' posts on this forum, especially when they are not warranted.

Sure the usa screws up a lot, but so does everyone else, yell at them for stuff that is truly bad, not for things that make sense.


While we still don't have all of the facts of this story and while I still do think that this guy isn't as innocent as people have claimed, let's be fair here. The US legal system is fucked up for two reasons, our penalties are insanely harsh compared to most European countries and our prisons aren't rehabilitation facilities. They are facilities where people who broke the law usually become hardened criminals.

People are definitely overreacting to this a bit because this guy probably isn't a victim of an evil US legal system. But wouldn't Americans be just as upset if a US citizen committed a crime in a country that had even harsher penalties and even worse prisons than we do? I'd like to think we would.

If it makes anyone feel better, while his sentence is 7.5 he'll probably only serve 3 maybe 4 years. Still a long ass sentence in US prisons, still probably too harsh of a sentence considering his only real crime was negligence and dangerous behavior, but really nothing to make broad generalizations about America as a whole. And if anything hopefully this can help bring light to two things. First, the US really needs to consider re-vamping it's prison and legal system to have more adequate punishments (especially for drug offenders) and we need to make our prisons for rehabilitation purposes rather than just housing people who broke laws so that they join prison gangs, get addicted to drugs, or learn how to be criminals. Second, it should help shed light to those who didn't realize it before that every country has biased media. The sheer number of Norweigans who posted on this thread claiming that their media isn't biased was astonishing to be honest.

http://newworldorderreport.com/News/tabid/266/ID/8467/A-man-steals-billions-and-gets-40-months-in-jail-homeless-man-takes-100-dollars-for-food-and-detox-and-gets-15-years.aspx

Stuff like this is what he was referring to about celebrities I think


Heh.. That article is just another example on how people blindly believe whatever they are told. http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/roybrown.asp Whereas there is merit behind having the money to afford a good defense, there is no comparison to be made between those two crimes as it's apple and oranges.

Is the amount of money not a factor at all? I mean that huge chunk of money came from the government and right out of your pocket. Remorse is also supposed to be important isn't it? Coming back with the money is probably the only reason the guy got caught...
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sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 25 2012 05:28 GMT
#428
On April 25 2012 08:23 cristo1122 wrote:
http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/illinois/ilndce/1:2002cv04282/122787/117

interesting link concerning his activities in 2002

uhhhhhh yeah it seems from the glance over that he got injured because he was attacked after gawking at a young teenage girl with her parents seeing it.
ClanRH.TV
Profile Joined July 2010
United States462 Posts
April 25 2012 05:43 GMT
#429
This not only sounds terribly biased, but is either outright fake or the story has been changed....Regardless of what actually happened, he would not be sentenced for something until people physically exhibit signs (bruising, gashes, broken bones etc...) that they were assaulted. Why is this even brought up? Time for hating on the United States? Why don't people have anything else to do?
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25258 Posts
April 25 2012 05:50 GMT
#430
On April 25 2012 14:26 tokicheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 13:31 acerockolla wrote:
On April 25 2012 13:21 tokicheese wrote:
On April 25 2012 12:56 overt wrote:
On April 25 2012 10:14 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 25 2012 10:06 wurm wrote:
I'm honestly not surprised. Celebrities can kill/threaten to kill people/embezzle millions and not spend any jail time in America, but the average Joe can spend up to a decade in jail for what other people get 1-2 years minimum. Justice system my ass.


What celebrities have been convicted of killing someone and not spent any time in jail?

And what do you mean "for what other people get 1-2 years minimum?

What celebrities even need to embezzle millions?

I don't follow that stuff as much as I do foreign policy though, I must admit.


Roman Polanski rings a bell to me. He raped a child and found safe haven in Europe. Was terrified of coming to the US because he'd actually be charged here.

On April 25 2012 11:03 Saryph wrote:
Not really sure why people are surprised that a journalist would write a story horribly biased in favor of a countryman who was being prosecuted in another country for criminal acts they committed.

Too bad people will instantly believe anything they read on the internet without applying critical thinking skills, it really is tiresome reading so many 'american suxs!' posts on this forum, especially when they are not warranted.

Sure the usa screws up a lot, but so does everyone else, yell at them for stuff that is truly bad, not for things that make sense.


While we still don't have all of the facts of this story and while I still do think that this guy isn't as innocent as people have claimed, let's be fair here. The US legal system is fucked up for two reasons, our penalties are insanely harsh compared to most European countries and our prisons aren't rehabilitation facilities. They are facilities where people who broke the law usually become hardened criminals.

People are definitely overreacting to this a bit because this guy probably isn't a victim of an evil US legal system. But wouldn't Americans be just as upset if a US citizen committed a crime in a country that had even harsher penalties and even worse prisons than we do? I'd like to think we would.

If it makes anyone feel better, while his sentence is 7.5 he'll probably only serve 3 maybe 4 years. Still a long ass sentence in US prisons, still probably too harsh of a sentence considering his only real crime was negligence and dangerous behavior, but really nothing to make broad generalizations about America as a whole. And if anything hopefully this can help bring light to two things. First, the US really needs to consider re-vamping it's prison and legal system to have more adequate punishments (especially for drug offenders) and we need to make our prisons for rehabilitation purposes rather than just housing people who broke laws so that they join prison gangs, get addicted to drugs, or learn how to be criminals. Second, it should help shed light to those who didn't realize it before that every country has biased media. The sheer number of Norweigans who posted on this thread claiming that their media isn't biased was astonishing to be honest.

http://newworldorderreport.com/News/tabid/266/ID/8467/A-man-steals-billions-and-gets-40-months-in-jail-homeless-man-takes-100-dollars-for-food-and-detox-and-gets-15-years.aspx

Stuff like this is what he was referring to about celebrities I think


Heh.. That article is just another example on how people blindly believe whatever they are told. http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/roybrown.asp Whereas there is merit behind having the money to afford a good defense, there is no comparison to be made between those two crimes as it's apple and oranges.

Is the amount of money not a factor at all? I mean that huge chunk of money came from the government and right out of your pocket. Remorse is also supposed to be important isn't it? Coming back with the money is probably the only reason the guy got caught...

I mean, like I said earlier it's difficult to compare two unrelated cases and draw actual reasonable conclusions. If the case of that homeless man is as presented I wouldn't send the guy to jail. If I was that judge and I had to, at the very least I'd impose a lesser sentence given the remorse and the fact he gave himself up, surely mitigating factors when determining sentencing?

That said, the lack of punishment meted out to certain members of the financial sector for blatant and rampant fraud defies belief. It's pretty clear that spending money lobbying Washington is by far the best return you're going to get for any investment.
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justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
April 25 2012 06:51 GMT
#431
On April 25 2012 12:05 Supamang wrote:
How about the OP updates the OP with some of the information being posted within the thread? People are just gonna keep coming into this thread reading only the biased article and then posting some irrational, emotionally charged response about how Americans should be more rational and less emotionally charged.

Until the OP updates to include all information, both supporting and refuting the guy's story, this is just another thread for attracting thoughtless US bashers



Why does TL hate Americans so much?
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Dyllyn
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Singapore670 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 07:15:45
April 25 2012 07:14 GMT
#432
On April 25 2012 15:51 justinpal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 12:05 Supamang wrote:
How about the OP updates the OP with some of the information being posted within the thread? People are just gonna keep coming into this thread reading only the biased article and then posting some irrational, emotionally charged response about how Americans should be more rational and less emotionally charged.

Until the OP updates to include all information, both supporting and refuting the guy's story, this is just another thread for attracting thoughtless US bashers



Why does TL hate Americans so much?


I think it's just a general manifestation of global dislike of america; people outside of america who like the US probably won't go out of their way to defend it, but people who do dislike the US will probably have lots to say in threads exactly like this one. And the american public does little to improve their image. Some people think the americans are stupid for their gun hugging, the hate crimes (like the trayvon martin incident), their vapid celebrities, their conservative homophobia. Are all americans this way? no. Are these baseless generalizations? yes. Are these views pervasive? yes, unfortunately.

tbh the whole american football vs rugby and american football vs football thing gets my goat
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25258 Posts
April 25 2012 07:26 GMT
#433
On April 25 2012 16:14 GenericTerranPlayer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 15:51 justinpal wrote:
On April 25 2012 12:05 Supamang wrote:
How about the OP updates the OP with some of the information being posted within the thread? People are just gonna keep coming into this thread reading only the biased article and then posting some irrational, emotionally charged response about how Americans should be more rational and less emotionally charged.

Until the OP updates to include all information, both supporting and refuting the guy's story, this is just another thread for attracting thoughtless US bashers



Why does TL hate Americans so much?


I think it's just a general manifestation of global dislike of america; people outside of america who like the US probably won't go out of their way to defend it, but people who do dislike the US will probably have lots to say in threads exactly like this one. And the american public does little to improve their image. Some people think the americans are stupid for their gun hugging, the hate crimes (like the trayvon martin incident), their vapid celebrities, their conservative homophobia. Are all americans this way? no. Are these baseless generalizations? yes. Are these views pervasive? yes, unfortunately.

tbh the whole american football vs rugby and american football vs football thing gets my goat

Yeah, not so much now but I used to be a big Americophile, and still am to a degree. I am pretty appalled at the state of politics in the States these days, but that's distinct from the populace at large. In fact I delight that there are still cultural differences between us Euros and Americans (as a generality), the world is homogenised enough as it is. For example, the intriguing differences across the Atlantic on gun rights, or why a country with a much more secular constitution than most European states turns out to be more influenced by religion.

Just tell yourself that these people are as uninformed as the 'idiot' Americans that they take great delight on perpetually shitting on and it gets a lot less annoying.

The most annoying complaints are about America's role in the world, and its vapid celebrity culture. Both of these criticisms can be legitimately leveled at pretty much any European country. However to acknowledge this means ceding the illusory moral high ground, which can be quite tough for some people, give them time!

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Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
April 25 2012 07:32 GMT
#434
This is almost like Mr. Bean level of comedy of error's going on in this article. It's so very unbelievable you can't help but ponder if it's true or not. Sadly I am not entirely sure it's true or if it is it's been very hard trying to find some other news source of it happening. *shrug* Either way it's entirely amusing story if it wasn't at least on some level true.

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firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
April 25 2012 07:36 GMT
#435
+ Show Spoiler +

i know youtube videos are not really accepted in these threads, but this one displays this point perfectly. If you dont want to watch all of it (although i do reccomend watching) the story of relevance starts at about 5:55.

so so sad
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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 07:51:38
April 25 2012 07:40 GMT
#436
On April 25 2012 16:26 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 16:14 GenericTerranPlayer wrote:
On April 25 2012 15:51 justinpal wrote:
On April 25 2012 12:05 Supamang wrote:
How about the OP updates the OP with some of the information being posted within the thread? People are just gonna keep coming into this thread reading only the biased article and then posting some irrational, emotionally charged response about how Americans should be more rational and less emotionally charged.

Until the OP updates to include all information, both supporting and refuting the guy's story, this is just another thread for attracting thoughtless US bashers



Why does TL hate Americans so much?


I think it's just a general manifestation of global dislike of america; people outside of america who like the US probably won't go out of their way to defend it, but people who do dislike the US will probably have lots to say in threads exactly like this one. And the american public does little to improve their image. Some people think the americans are stupid for their gun hugging, the hate crimes (like the trayvon martin incident), their vapid celebrities, their conservative homophobia. Are all americans this way? no. Are these baseless generalizations? yes. Are these views pervasive? yes, unfortunately.

tbh the whole american football vs rugby and american football vs football thing gets my goat

Yeah, not so much now but I used to be a big Americophile, and still am to a degree. I am pretty appalled at the state of politics in the States these days, but that's distinct from the populace at large. In fact I delight that there are still cultural differences between us Euros and Americans (as a generality), the world is homogenised enough as it is. For example, the intriguing differences across the Atlantic on gun rights, or why a country with a much more secular constitution than most European states turns out to be more influenced by religion.


/non-religious American

America has always been religious. We were a country settled by some of the most Conservative sects of Christianity. We lucked out and became a state during a time when Deism was popular in the Aristocratic circles and thus ended up with a very secular Constitution.

So we've always been incredibly religious but I think a big reason why we've had a huge number of Fundamentalists stems initially from the Cold War when Eisenhower tried to use religion to demonize the non-religious Soviet Union. Afterall, if we have "god on our side" and the Soviets have outlawed religion we're obviously the best. America became a lot more religious during the 50s. Probably a combination of the state using religion as propaganda and the fact that people were scared shitless of a nuclear war. Then combine all of that with the movement in the 80s by Jerry Fallwell and other Conservative religious leaders to mix Fundamentalist Christianity with politics and you end up in the state we're in now.


The most annoying complaints are about America's role in the world, and its vapid celebrity culture. Both of these criticisms can be legitimately leveled at pretty much any European country. However to acknowledge this means ceding the illusory moral high ground, which can be quite tough for some people, give them time!


I don't like our role in the world. But I do understand it from a strategic point of view.

As for our celebrity culture I was always under the impression that Europeans, some parts of Asia, and those in Latin America keep up pretty well with our celebrities. Source: ex-girlfriend who moved from Central America that knew more about US celebrities and movie stars than me, the internet where people from Germany know more about celebrities than me, and Japan where Arnold Schwarzenegger makes TV commercials. Just seems ironic to dislike America because of our celebrities when many, if not most, foreigners keep up with our celebrities too. fyi, most Americans think our celebrities are idiots too.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25258 Posts
April 25 2012 07:49 GMT
#437
On April 25 2012 16:36 firehand101 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79bjBt0JvVM

i know youtube videos are not really accepted in these threads, but this one displays this point perfectly. If you dont want to watch all of it (although i do reccomend watching) the story of relevance starts at about 5:55.

so so sad

Thank you for that link, one of those occurrences where somebody articulated some vague idea I already had in my brain but hadn't yet fully fleshed out

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GrandMaPwnZ.
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway84 Posts
April 25 2012 09:48 GMT
#438
I do not understand these punishments in the US. In this case you are taking what seems like a harmless guy (he's an idiot and probably a creep, but not dangerous) and making him serve 7.5 years in jail. Do you think he is going to come out harmless? Do you think he will be a better man after serving his time? You are creating crime with these ridicolously high punisments.
Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 11:34:31
April 25 2012 11:34 GMT
#439
On April 25 2012 18:48 GrandMaPwnZ. wrote:
I do not understand these punishments in the US. In this case you are taking what seems like a harmless guy (he's an idiot and probably a creep, but not dangerous) and making him serve 7.5 years in jail. Do you think he is going to come out harmless? Do you think he will be a better man after serving his time? You are creating crime with these ridicolously high punisments.

that's capitalism for you. More crimes just means more jobs in that private jail sector, hardly a bad thing.
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 11:59:49
April 25 2012 11:57 GMT
#440
On April 25 2012 16:40 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 16:26 Wombat_NI wrote:
On April 25 2012 16:14 GenericTerranPlayer wrote:
On April 25 2012 15:51 justinpal wrote:
On April 25 2012 12:05 Supamang wrote:
How about the OP updates the OP with some of the information being posted within the thread? People are just gonna keep coming into this thread reading only the biased article and then posting some irrational, emotionally charged response about how Americans should be more rational and less emotionally charged.

Until the OP updates to include all information, both supporting and refuting the guy's story, this is just another thread for attracting thoughtless US bashers



Why does TL hate Americans so much?


I think it's just a general manifestation of global dislike of america; people outside of america who like the US probably won't go out of their way to defend it, but people who do dislike the US will probably have lots to say in threads exactly like this one. And the american public does little to improve their image. Some people think the americans are stupid for their gun hugging, the hate crimes (like the trayvon martin incident), their vapid celebrities, their conservative homophobia. Are all americans this way? no. Are these baseless generalizations? yes. Are these views pervasive? yes, unfortunately.

tbh the whole american football vs rugby and american football vs football thing gets my goat

Yeah, not so much now but I used to be a big Americophile, and still am to a degree. I am pretty appalled at the state of politics in the States these days, but that's distinct from the populace at large. In fact I delight that there are still cultural differences between us Euros and Americans (as a generality), the world is homogenised enough as it is. For example, the intriguing differences across the Atlantic on gun rights, or why a country with a much more secular constitution than most European states turns out to be more influenced by religion.


/non-religious American

America has always been religious. We were a country settled by some of the most Conservative sects of Christianity. We lucked out and became a state during a time when Deism was popular in the Aristocratic circles and thus ended up with a very secular Constitution.

So we've always been incredibly religious but I think a big reason why we've had a huge number of Fundamentalists stems initially from the Cold War when Eisenhower tried to use religion to demonize the non-religious Soviet Union. Afterall, if we have "god on our side" and the Soviets have outlawed religion we're obviously the best. America became a lot more religious during the 50s. Probably a combination of the state using religion as propaganda and the fact that people were scared shitless of a nuclear war. Then combine all of that with the movement in the 80s by Jerry Fallwell and other Conservative religious leaders to mix Fundamentalist Christianity with politics and you end up in the state we're in now.

Show nested quote +

The most annoying complaints are about America's role in the world, and its vapid celebrity culture. Both of these criticisms can be legitimately leveled at pretty much any European country. However to acknowledge this means ceding the illusory moral high ground, which can be quite tough for some people, give them time!


I don't like our role in the world. But I do understand it from a strategic point of view.

As for our celebrity culture I was always under the impression that Europeans, some parts of Asia, and those in Latin America keep up pretty well with our celebrities. Source: ex-girlfriend who moved from Central America that knew more about US celebrities and movie stars than me, the internet where people from Germany know more about celebrities than me, and Japan where Arnold Schwarzenegger makes TV commercials. Just seems ironic to dislike America because of our celebrities when many, if not most, foreigners keep up with our celebrities too. fyi, most Americans think our celebrities are idiots too.


I haven't met many people that dislike the US because of your celebrities, it's usually more arguments in line with "world police" "religious nuts" "ignorant rednecks" and so on (not that I agree with those sentiments). Sure there are always the people that think hollywood is destroying movies but that's not really anti-us as much as people being movie snobs. If I turn on my television there's about as good of a chance I tune into an american tv serie or movie as it is a swedish one and our newspapers write about american celebrities all the time (at least the tabloids). Critising the US for those reasons are a bit like throwing stone in a glass house.
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Video2000
Profile Joined April 2012
Denmark517 Posts
April 25 2012 12:37 GMT
#441
It does seem like Americans have a hard time dealing with criticism w regards to how their justice system works (even some of the bans/warnings so far). This is obviously an absolutely wacked out insane case, but like other people ITT have mentioned, it's not the first time to hear stories like that, nor really is it a surprise. Not trolling, it just seems like there are some issues that aren't adressed..?
BioNova
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States598 Posts
April 25 2012 13:15 GMT
#442
I think 7.5 years is a bit harsh. The killing blow in my opinion is giving up the jury trial for the bench trial. If your going to fight a case, never put it in the hands of the Judge. It just blows my mind.
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Madkipz
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Norway1643 Posts
April 25 2012 14:08 GMT
#443
On April 25 2012 22:15 BioNova wrote:
I think 7.5 years is a bit harsh. The killing blow in my opinion is giving up the jury trial for the bench trial. If your going to fight a case, never put it in the hands of the Judge. It just blows my mind.


Well, his right to that kind of trial was waved before declaring him guilty.
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TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
April 25 2012 14:49 GMT
#444
On April 25 2012 21:37 Video2000 wrote:
It does seem like Americans have a hard time dealing with criticism w regards to how their justice system works (even some of the bans/warnings so far). This is obviously an absolutely wacked out insane case, but like other people ITT have mentioned, it's not the first time to hear stories like that, nor really is it a surprise. Not trolling, it just seems like there are some issues that aren't adressed..?


And we say the same things about the European justice system. Putting someone in jail for writing racist twitter posts or displaying a swastika would be completely unthinkable in the US. It's not that we support racism, but the freedom of speech is deeply entrenched in our society.

Many in the US still support capital punishment, whereas many Europeans are outraged at the idea. But that doesn't mean the US justice system is backwards or broken, just that there are different value systems.

Not all Americans agree with how our court systems function or how our laws define crimes; but each individual still is afforded council, specific protections laid out in the bill of rights, and the right to a fair trial by jury. That doesn't constitute "backwards"
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BioNova
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States598 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 15:06:57
April 25 2012 15:01 GMT
#445
On April 25 2012 23:08 Madkipz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 22:15 BioNova wrote:
I think 7.5 years is a bit harsh. The killing blow in my opinion is giving up the jury trial for the bench trial. If your going to fight a case, never put it in the hands of the Judge. It just blows my mind.


Well, his right to that kind of trial was waved before declaring him guilty.


The only person who can do that is the accused. If the crimes you are charged for are enough to warrant a prison sentence, you have the right to a jury trial. He did it to himself is my point., or worse yet, his lawyer 'tagged and bagged' him with bad advice. The court cannot force you into a bench trial in state courts on any felony level offense.

That may not be the case, but my boondoggle was one of those " no no don't do it!!!!" "aww you did it now, gg". Either through ignorance, or promise of a faster trial(not in the way he was expecting, I bet). I don't know if he had an appointed lawyer, or hired his own. Just can envision quite a few ways he could have made the same mistake.
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scarrow
Profile Joined March 2012
United Kingdom30 Posts
April 25 2012 15:05 GMT
#446
On April 25 2012 23:49 TheToast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 21:37 Video2000 wrote:
It does seem like Americans have a hard time dealing with criticism w regards to how their justice system works (even some of the bans/warnings so far). This is obviously an absolutely wacked out insane case, but like other people ITT have mentioned, it's not the first time to hear stories like that, nor really is it a surprise. Not trolling, it just seems like there are some issues that aren't adressed..?


And we say the same things about the European justice system. Putting someone in jail for writing racist twitter posts or displaying a swastika would be completely unthinkable in the US. It's not that we support racism, but the freedom of speech is deeply entrenched in our society.



The difference is that the guy who posted racist twitter remarks got a sentence of 56 days in jail.

This guy has gotten 7.5 years for running over someones toe.

Bit of a fucking difference.

TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
April 25 2012 15:09 GMT
#447
On April 26 2012 00:05 scarrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 23:49 TheToast wrote:
On April 25 2012 21:37 Video2000 wrote:
It does seem like Americans have a hard time dealing with criticism w regards to how their justice system works (even some of the bans/warnings so far). This is obviously an absolutely wacked out insane case, but like other people ITT have mentioned, it's not the first time to hear stories like that, nor really is it a surprise. Not trolling, it just seems like there are some issues that aren't adressed..?


And we say the same things about the European justice system. Putting someone in jail for writing racist twitter posts or displaying a swastika would be completely unthinkable in the US. It's not that we support racism, but the freedom of speech is deeply entrenched in our society.



The difference is that the guy who posted racist twitter remarks got a sentence of 56 days in jail.

This guy has gotten 7.5 years for running over someones toe.

Bit of a fucking difference.



No, he got 7 and 1/2 years for multiple counts of assault with a deadly weapon.

I would argue that putting someone in jail, not matter how long, for writing racists things on twitter is much, much worse. But that's my viewpoint based on how American culture has entrenched the idea of freedom of speech.
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phoenix`down
Profile Joined November 2011
49 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 15:26:16
April 25 2012 15:24 GMT
#448
On April 26 2012 00:05 scarrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 23:49 TheToast wrote:
On April 25 2012 21:37 Video2000 wrote:
It does seem like Americans have a hard time dealing with criticism w regards to how their justice system works (even some of the bans/warnings so far). This is obviously an absolutely wacked out insane case, but like other people ITT have mentioned, it's not the first time to hear stories like that, nor really is it a surprise. Not trolling, it just seems like there are some issues that aren't adressed..?


And we say the same things about the European justice system. Putting someone in jail for writing racist twitter posts or displaying a swastika would be completely unthinkable in the US. It's not that we support racism, but the freedom of speech is deeply entrenched in our society.



The difference is that the guy who posted racist twitter remarks got a sentence of 56 days in jail.

This guy has gotten 7.5 years for running over someones toe.

Bit of a fucking difference.



I think both sentences are ridiculously long, but to me 56 days just for writing some words seems way worse than 7.5 years for running over some limbs. In this case he could have pretty easily killed someone, accident or not, and he is lucky he didn't.
dpurple
Profile Joined November 2010
Turkmenistan592 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 15:28:27
April 25 2012 15:28 GMT
#449
On April 26 2012 00:24 phoenix`down wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 00:05 scarrow wrote:
On April 25 2012 23:49 TheToast wrote:
On April 25 2012 21:37 Video2000 wrote:
It does seem like Americans have a hard time dealing with criticism w regards to how their justice system works (even some of the bans/warnings so far). This is obviously an absolutely wacked out insane case, but like other people ITT have mentioned, it's not the first time to hear stories like that, nor really is it a surprise. Not trolling, it just seems like there are some issues that aren't adressed..?


And we say the same things about the European justice system. Putting someone in jail for writing racist twitter posts or displaying a swastika would be completely unthinkable in the US. It's not that we support racism, but the freedom of speech is deeply entrenched in our society.



The difference is that the guy who posted racist twitter remarks got a sentence of 56 days in jail.

This guy has gotten 7.5 years for running over someones toe.

Bit of a fucking difference.



I think both sentences are ridiculously long, but to me 56 days just for writing some words seems way worse than 7.5 years for running over some limbs. He could have pretty easily killed someone, accident or not, and he is lucky he didn't.



Yea, just wish those celebrities with repeated DUI's got 7.5 year in jail too.
dpurple
Profile Joined November 2010
Turkmenistan592 Posts
April 25 2012 15:33 GMT
#450
Btw, shouldnt police close the streets that are going to be used for a festival?
xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
April 25 2012 15:35 GMT
#451
On April 26 2012 00:33 dpurple wrote:
Btw, shouldnt police close the streets that are going to be used for a festival?

Yes they should, all the festivals I've been to that use streets close them and put up borders, so I'm wondering if they either forgot here or this guy just went around them.
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TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
April 25 2012 15:37 GMT
#452
On April 26 2012 00:28 dpurple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 00:24 phoenix`down wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:05 scarrow wrote:
On April 25 2012 23:49 TheToast wrote:
On April 25 2012 21:37 Video2000 wrote:
It does seem like Americans have a hard time dealing with criticism w regards to how their justice system works (even some of the bans/warnings so far). This is obviously an absolutely wacked out insane case, but like other people ITT have mentioned, it's not the first time to hear stories like that, nor really is it a surprise. Not trolling, it just seems like there are some issues that aren't adressed..?


And we say the same things about the European justice system. Putting someone in jail for writing racist twitter posts or displaying a swastika would be completely unthinkable in the US. It's not that we support racism, but the freedom of speech is deeply entrenched in our society.



The difference is that the guy who posted racist twitter remarks got a sentence of 56 days in jail.

This guy has gotten 7.5 years for running over someones toe.

Bit of a fucking difference.



I think both sentences are ridiculously long, but to me 56 days just for writing some words seems way worse than 7.5 years for running over some limbs. He could have pretty easily killed someone, accident or not, and he is lucky he didn't.



Yea, just wish those celebrities with repeated DUI's got 7.5 year in jail too.


Punishements for DUIs in this country are very disproportional to other dangerous crimes. I know for a while in my state, you had to get two DUIs before they would even take your license away. Just a few years ago the state legislature finally passed a law that toughened up the restrictions. There's been an effort on that front in a number of states and it's long overdue.
I like the way the walls go out. Gives you an open feeling. Firefly's a good design. People don't appreciate the substance of things. Objects in space. People miss out on what's solid.
Triggi
Profile Joined September 2010
79 Posts
April 25 2012 16:01 GMT
#453
On April 26 2012 00:37 TheToast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 00:28 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:24 phoenix`down wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:05 scarrow wrote:
On April 25 2012 23:49 TheToast wrote:
On April 25 2012 21:37 Video2000 wrote:
It does seem like Americans have a hard time dealing with criticism w regards to how their justice system works (even some of the bans/warnings so far). This is obviously an absolutely wacked out insane case, but like other people ITT have mentioned, it's not the first time to hear stories like that, nor really is it a surprise. Not trolling, it just seems like there are some issues that aren't adressed..?


And we say the same things about the European justice system. Putting someone in jail for writing racist twitter posts or displaying a swastika would be completely unthinkable in the US. It's not that we support racism, but the freedom of speech is deeply entrenched in our society.



The difference is that the guy who posted racist twitter remarks got a sentence of 56 days in jail.

This guy has gotten 7.5 years for running over someones toe.

Bit of a fucking difference.



I think both sentences are ridiculously long, but to me 56 days just for writing some words seems way worse than 7.5 years for running over some limbs. He could have pretty easily killed someone, accident or not, and he is lucky he didn't.



Yea, just wish those celebrities with repeated DUI's got 7.5 year in jail too.


Punishements for DUIs in this country are very disproportional to other dangerous crimes. I know for a while in my state, you had to get two DUIs before they would even take your license away. Just a few years ago the state legislature finally passed a law that toughened up the restrictions. There's been an effort on that front in a number of states and it's long overdue.


Lane Garrison. 40 months for a dui which ended in several injuries and a death.

Guess he had a good lawyer or something because this to me seems more serious than what the student got.
OniGami
Profile Joined December 2011
Japan140 Posts
April 25 2012 16:25 GMT
#454
When a group of people turn into a mob, things get ugly really fast. I once handled a case where a man was dizzy, almost about to have a cardiac, and was panicking his way among the crowd. His "disadvantage" was that he looked slightly Arabic, but 100% American, so people thought he was threatening or something, so they mobbed him and held him down, while in fact he was just having a difficulty breathing and was rushing his way to the clinic just bumping people off. Luckily there where a sane doctor in the group who recognized what he was undergoing and quickly called emergency.
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Jarree
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland1004 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 16:29:59
April 25 2012 16:29 GMT
#455
On April 26 2012 01:01 Triggi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 00:37 TheToast wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:28 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:24 phoenix`down wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:05 scarrow wrote:
On April 25 2012 23:49 TheToast wrote:
On April 25 2012 21:37 Video2000 wrote:
It does seem like Americans have a hard time dealing with criticism w regards to how their justice system works (even some of the bans/warnings so far). This is obviously an absolutely wacked out insane case, but like other people ITT have mentioned, it's not the first time to hear stories like that, nor really is it a surprise. Not trolling, it just seems like there are some issues that aren't adressed..?


And we say the same things about the European justice system. Putting someone in jail for writing racist twitter posts or displaying a swastika would be completely unthinkable in the US. It's not that we support racism, but the freedom of speech is deeply entrenched in our society.



The difference is that the guy who posted racist twitter remarks got a sentence of 56 days in jail.

This guy has gotten 7.5 years for running over someones toe.

Bit of a fucking difference.



I think both sentences are ridiculously long, but to me 56 days just for writing some words seems way worse than 7.5 years for running over some limbs. He could have pretty easily killed someone, accident or not, and he is lucky he didn't.



Yea, just wish those celebrities with repeated DUI's got 7.5 year in jail too.


Punishements for DUIs in this country are very disproportional to other dangerous crimes. I know for a while in my state, you had to get two DUIs before they would even take your license away. Just a few years ago the state legislature finally passed a law that toughened up the restrictions. There's been an effort on that front in a number of states and it's long overdue.


Lane Garrison. 40 months for a dui which ended in several injuries and a death.

Guess he had a good lawyer or something because this to me seems more serious than what the student got.


Is this a real thing or just in movies and TV? In Finland it barely makes any difference who your lawyer is in regarding the punishment. Of course there are some complicated cases, but in no case a lawyer makes a difference from 7 year to 2 years in prison.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
April 25 2012 17:53 GMT
#456
On April 26 2012 00:28 dpurple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 00:24 phoenix`down wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:05 scarrow wrote:
On April 25 2012 23:49 TheToast wrote:
On April 25 2012 21:37 Video2000 wrote:
It does seem like Americans have a hard time dealing with criticism w regards to how their justice system works (even some of the bans/warnings so far). This is obviously an absolutely wacked out insane case, but like other people ITT have mentioned, it's not the first time to hear stories like that, nor really is it a surprise. Not trolling, it just seems like there are some issues that aren't adressed..?


And we say the same things about the European justice system. Putting someone in jail for writing racist twitter posts or displaying a swastika would be completely unthinkable in the US. It's not that we support racism, but the freedom of speech is deeply entrenched in our society.



The difference is that the guy who posted racist twitter remarks got a sentence of 56 days in jail.

This guy has gotten 7.5 years for running over someones toe.

Bit of a fucking difference.



I think both sentences are ridiculously long, but to me 56 days just for writing some words seems way worse than 7.5 years for running over some limbs. He could have pretty easily killed someone, accident or not, and he is lucky he didn't.



Yea, just wish those celebrities with repeated DUI's got 7.5 year in jail too.


Why? Being a celebrity is irrelevant, why the stupid comments like that? A DUI is no jail time first time, possibly a few days second time, and third time it's three months (shortened from previously six months). It's handled mostly with taking away your license and imposing hefty fines. Isn't that exactly how you prefer it in Europe?

Or were you just trying to do more U.S. bashing?
dpurple
Profile Joined November 2010
Turkmenistan592 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 18:14:34
April 25 2012 18:13 GMT
#457
On April 26 2012 02:53 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 00:28 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:24 phoenix`down wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:05 scarrow wrote:
On April 25 2012 23:49 TheToast wrote:
On April 25 2012 21:37 Video2000 wrote:
It does seem like Americans have a hard time dealing with criticism w regards to how their justice system works (even some of the bans/warnings so far). This is obviously an absolutely wacked out insane case, but like other people ITT have mentioned, it's not the first time to hear stories like that, nor really is it a surprise. Not trolling, it just seems like there are some issues that aren't adressed..?


And we say the same things about the European justice system. Putting someone in jail for writing racist twitter posts or displaying a swastika would be completely unthinkable in the US. It's not that we support racism, but the freedom of speech is deeply entrenched in our society.



The difference is that the guy who posted racist twitter remarks got a sentence of 56 days in jail.

This guy has gotten 7.5 years for running over someones toe.

Bit of a fucking difference.



I think both sentences are ridiculously long, but to me 56 days just for writing some words seems way worse than 7.5 years for running over some limbs. He could have pretty easily killed someone, accident or not, and he is lucky he didn't.



Yea, just wish those celebrities with repeated DUI's got 7.5 year in jail too.


Why? Being a celebrity is irrelevant, why the stupid comments like that? A DUI is no jail time first time, possibly a few days second time, and third time it's three months (shortened from previously six months). It's handled mostly with taking away your license and imposing hefty fines. Isn't that exactly how you prefer it in Europe?

Or were you just trying to do more U.S. bashing?


Why is that a stupid comment? I only know how celebrities get threated in DUI cases. Because those are the people media reports about.
Smat
Profile Joined January 2011
United States301 Posts
April 25 2012 18:16 GMT
#458
On April 26 2012 01:29 Jarree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 01:01 Triggi wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:37 TheToast wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:28 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:24 phoenix`down wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:05 scarrow wrote:
On April 25 2012 23:49 TheToast wrote:
On April 25 2012 21:37 Video2000 wrote:
It does seem like Americans have a hard time dealing with criticism w regards to how their justice system works (even some of the bans/warnings so far). This is obviously an absolutely wacked out insane case, but like other people ITT have mentioned, it's not the first time to hear stories like that, nor really is it a surprise. Not trolling, it just seems like there are some issues that aren't adressed..?


And we say the same things about the European justice system. Putting someone in jail for writing racist twitter posts or displaying a swastika would be completely unthinkable in the US. It's not that we support racism, but the freedom of speech is deeply entrenched in our society.



The difference is that the guy who posted racist twitter remarks got a sentence of 56 days in jail.

This guy has gotten 7.5 years for running over someones toe.

Bit of a fucking difference.



I think both sentences are ridiculously long, but to me 56 days just for writing some words seems way worse than 7.5 years for running over some limbs. He could have pretty easily killed someone, accident or not, and he is lucky he didn't.



Yea, just wish those celebrities with repeated DUI's got 7.5 year in jail too.


Punishements for DUIs in this country are very disproportional to other dangerous crimes. I know for a while in my state, you had to get two DUIs before they would even take your license away. Just a few years ago the state legislature finally passed a law that toughened up the restrictions. There's been an effort on that front in a number of states and it's long overdue.


Lane Garrison. 40 months for a dui which ended in several injuries and a death.

Guess he had a good lawyer or something because this to me seems more serious than what the student got.


Is this a real thing or just in movies and TV? In Finland it barely makes any difference who your lawyer is in regarding the punishment. Of course there are some complicated cases, but in no case a lawyer makes a difference from 7 year to 2 years in prison.


Yes it makes a difference. The fact is that most criminal cases deal with a jury of peers. People are easily manipuated. If the person defending you is not competent and can't poke holes in the prosecution then your chances of winning decrease dramatically. I am surprised at your claim that lawyers don't matter in Finland. Does this mean that all lawyers for specific types of trials get paid the same? Why would some lawyers be more "high profile" or get paid more if their effect on the case is negligible? So having a shity lawyer won't hurt your case at all in the eyes of Finnish juries?
Smat
Profile Joined January 2011
United States301 Posts
April 25 2012 18:19 GMT
#459
On April 26 2012 03:13 dpurple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 02:53 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:28 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:24 phoenix`down wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:05 scarrow wrote:
On April 25 2012 23:49 TheToast wrote:
On April 25 2012 21:37 Video2000 wrote:
It does seem like Americans have a hard time dealing with criticism w regards to how their justice system works (even some of the bans/warnings so far). This is obviously an absolutely wacked out insane case, but like other people ITT have mentioned, it's not the first time to hear stories like that, nor really is it a surprise. Not trolling, it just seems like there are some issues that aren't adressed..?


And we say the same things about the European justice system. Putting someone in jail for writing racist twitter posts or displaying a swastika would be completely unthinkable in the US. It's not that we support racism, but the freedom of speech is deeply entrenched in our society.



The difference is that the guy who posted racist twitter remarks got a sentence of 56 days in jail.

This guy has gotten 7.5 years for running over someones toe.

Bit of a fucking difference.



I think both sentences are ridiculously long, but to me 56 days just for writing some words seems way worse than 7.5 years for running over some limbs. He could have pretty easily killed someone, accident or not, and he is lucky he didn't.



Yea, just wish those celebrities with repeated DUI's got 7.5 year in jail too.


Why? Being a celebrity is irrelevant, why the stupid comments like that? A DUI is no jail time first time, possibly a few days second time, and third time it's three months (shortened from previously six months). It's handled mostly with taking away your license and imposing hefty fines. Isn't that exactly how you prefer it in Europe?

Or were you just trying to do more U.S. bashing?


Why is that a stupid comment? I only know how celebrities get threated in DUI cases. Because those are the people media reports about.


Well you made it seem like the US court system was giving special treatment to celebrities in DUI cases when in reality DUI sentences are generally not very severe regardless of whether or not the person is a celebrity (though this is changing I think or hope).
sc2superfan101
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
3583 Posts
April 25 2012 18:25 GMT
#460
On April 26 2012 03:16 Smat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 01:29 Jarree wrote:
On April 26 2012 01:01 Triggi wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:37 TheToast wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:28 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:24 phoenix`down wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:05 scarrow wrote:
On April 25 2012 23:49 TheToast wrote:
On April 25 2012 21:37 Video2000 wrote:
It does seem like Americans have a hard time dealing with criticism w regards to how their justice system works (even some of the bans/warnings so far). This is obviously an absolutely wacked out insane case, but like other people ITT have mentioned, it's not the first time to hear stories like that, nor really is it a surprise. Not trolling, it just seems like there are some issues that aren't adressed..?


And we say the same things about the European justice system. Putting someone in jail for writing racist twitter posts or displaying a swastika would be completely unthinkable in the US. It's not that we support racism, but the freedom of speech is deeply entrenched in our society.



The difference is that the guy who posted racist twitter remarks got a sentence of 56 days in jail.

This guy has gotten 7.5 years for running over someones toe.

Bit of a fucking difference.



I think both sentences are ridiculously long, but to me 56 days just for writing some words seems way worse than 7.5 years for running over some limbs. He could have pretty easily killed someone, accident or not, and he is lucky he didn't.



Yea, just wish those celebrities with repeated DUI's got 7.5 year in jail too.


Punishements for DUIs in this country are very disproportional to other dangerous crimes. I know for a while in my state, you had to get two DUIs before they would even take your license away. Just a few years ago the state legislature finally passed a law that toughened up the restrictions. There's been an effort on that front in a number of states and it's long overdue.


Lane Garrison. 40 months for a dui which ended in several injuries and a death.

Guess he had a good lawyer or something because this to me seems more serious than what the student got.


Is this a real thing or just in movies and TV? In Finland it barely makes any difference who your lawyer is in regarding the punishment. Of course there are some complicated cases, but in no case a lawyer makes a difference from 7 year to 2 years in prison.


Yes it makes a difference. The fact is that most criminal cases deal with a jury of peers. People are easily manipuated. If the person defending you is not competent and can't poke holes in the prosecution then your chances of winning decrease dramatically. I am surprised at your claim that lawyers don't matter in Finland. Does this mean that all lawyers for specific types of trials get paid the same? Why would some lawyers be more "high profile" or get paid more if their effect on the case is negligible? So having a shity lawyer won't hurt your case at all in the eyes of Finnish juries?


tbh, the publicly appointed lawyers are generally better than the high-profile lawyers. it's not really:

money = good defense

so much as:

money = dishonest defense

publicly appointed defenders are usually more honest and more legitimate, one of the only times where the government worker is better than the private industry worker.

source: my dad's a very successful DA in one of the most exclusive DA's offices in the country.
My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
April 25 2012 18:27 GMT
#461
On April 26 2012 03:13 dpurple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 02:53 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:28 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:24 phoenix`down wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:05 scarrow wrote:
On April 25 2012 23:49 TheToast wrote:
On April 25 2012 21:37 Video2000 wrote:
It does seem like Americans have a hard time dealing with criticism w regards to how their justice system works (even some of the bans/warnings so far). This is obviously an absolutely wacked out insane case, but like other people ITT have mentioned, it's not the first time to hear stories like that, nor really is it a surprise. Not trolling, it just seems like there are some issues that aren't adressed..?


And we say the same things about the European justice system. Putting someone in jail for writing racist twitter posts or displaying a swastika would be completely unthinkable in the US. It's not that we support racism, but the freedom of speech is deeply entrenched in our society.



The difference is that the guy who posted racist twitter remarks got a sentence of 56 days in jail.

This guy has gotten 7.5 years for running over someones toe.

Bit of a fucking difference.



I think both sentences are ridiculously long, but to me 56 days just for writing some words seems way worse than 7.5 years for running over some limbs. He could have pretty easily killed someone, accident or not, and he is lucky he didn't.



Yea, just wish those celebrities with repeated DUI's got 7.5 year in jail too.


Why? Being a celebrity is irrelevant, why the stupid comments like that? A DUI is no jail time first time, possibly a few days second time, and third time it's three months (shortened from previously six months). It's handled mostly with taking away your license and imposing hefty fines. Isn't that exactly how you prefer it in Europe?

Or were you just trying to do more U.S. bashing?


Why is that a stupid comment? I only know how celebrities get threated in DUI cases. Because those are the people media reports about.


You honestly can't see why it's stupid? Sorry that's all you see when looking at the U.S., but it's clear you're too ignorant to make any legitimate judgement, despite you trying to clearly do so anyways. Funny, you don't even know how the ordinary person is treated, but you make stupid claims anyways.
raser
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway301 Posts
April 25 2012 18:28 GMT
#462
On April 26 2012 03:27 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 03:13 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 02:53 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:28 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:24 phoenix`down wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:05 scarrow wrote:
On April 25 2012 23:49 TheToast wrote:
On April 25 2012 21:37 Video2000 wrote:
It does seem like Americans have a hard time dealing with criticism w regards to how their justice system works (even some of the bans/warnings so far). This is obviously an absolutely wacked out insane case, but like other people ITT have mentioned, it's not the first time to hear stories like that, nor really is it a surprise. Not trolling, it just seems like there are some issues that aren't adressed..?


And we say the same things about the European justice system. Putting someone in jail for writing racist twitter posts or displaying a swastika would be completely unthinkable in the US. It's not that we support racism, but the freedom of speech is deeply entrenched in our society.



The difference is that the guy who posted racist twitter remarks got a sentence of 56 days in jail.

This guy has gotten 7.5 years for running over someones toe.

Bit of a fucking difference.



I think both sentences are ridiculously long, but to me 56 days just for writing some words seems way worse than 7.5 years for running over some limbs. He could have pretty easily killed someone, accident or not, and he is lucky he didn't.



Yea, just wish those celebrities with repeated DUI's got 7.5 year in jail too.


Why? Being a celebrity is irrelevant, why the stupid comments like that? A DUI is no jail time first time, possibly a few days second time, and third time it's three months (shortened from previously six months). It's handled mostly with taking away your license and imposing hefty fines. Isn't that exactly how you prefer it in Europe?

Or were you just trying to do more U.S. bashing?


Why is that a stupid comment? I only know how celebrities get threated in DUI cases. Because those are the people media reports about.


You honestly can't see why it's stupid? Sorry that's all you see when looking at the U.S., but it's clear you're too ignorant to make any legitimate judgement, despite you trying to clearly do so anyways. Funny, you don't even know how the ordinary person is treated, but you make stupid claims anyways.


why don't you tell us then? seeing you are so high and mighty
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 18:34:10
April 25 2012 18:31 GMT
#463
On April 26 2012 03:28 raser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 03:27 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 26 2012 03:13 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 02:53 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:28 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:24 phoenix`down wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:05 scarrow wrote:
On April 25 2012 23:49 TheToast wrote:
On April 25 2012 21:37 Video2000 wrote:
It does seem like Americans have a hard time dealing with criticism w regards to how their justice system works (even some of the bans/warnings so far). This is obviously an absolutely wacked out insane case, but like other people ITT have mentioned, it's not the first time to hear stories like that, nor really is it a surprise. Not trolling, it just seems like there are some issues that aren't adressed..?


And we say the same things about the European justice system. Putting someone in jail for writing racist twitter posts or displaying a swastika would be completely unthinkable in the US. It's not that we support racism, but the freedom of speech is deeply entrenched in our society.



The difference is that the guy who posted racist twitter remarks got a sentence of 56 days in jail.

This guy has gotten 7.5 years for running over someones toe.

Bit of a fucking difference.



I think both sentences are ridiculously long, but to me 56 days just for writing some words seems way worse than 7.5 years for running over some limbs. He could have pretty easily killed someone, accident or not, and he is lucky he didn't.



Yea, just wish those celebrities with repeated DUI's got 7.5 year in jail too.


Why? Being a celebrity is irrelevant, why the stupid comments like that? A DUI is no jail time first time, possibly a few days second time, and third time it's three months (shortened from previously six months). It's handled mostly with taking away your license and imposing hefty fines. Isn't that exactly how you prefer it in Europe?

Or were you just trying to do more U.S. bashing?


Why is that a stupid comment? I only know how celebrities get threated in DUI cases. Because those are the people media reports about.


You honestly can't see why it's stupid? Sorry that's all you see when looking at the U.S., but it's clear you're too ignorant to make any legitimate judgement, despite you trying to clearly do so anyways. Funny, you don't even know how the ordinary person is treated, but you make stupid claims anyways.


why don't you tell us then? seeing you are so high and mighty


Tell you what? That it has absolutely nothing to do with celebrities like his ridiculous assumption? That no one gets jail time of 7 years for DUIs, whether you're loaded or not? It's not that complicated.

On April 26 2012 01:29 Jarree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 01:01 Triggi wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:37 TheToast wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:28 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:24 phoenix`down wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:05 scarrow wrote:
On April 25 2012 23:49 TheToast wrote:
On April 25 2012 21:37 Video2000 wrote:
It does seem like Americans have a hard time dealing with criticism w regards to how their justice system works (even some of the bans/warnings so far). This is obviously an absolutely wacked out insane case, but like other people ITT have mentioned, it's not the first time to hear stories like that, nor really is it a surprise. Not trolling, it just seems like there are some issues that aren't adressed..?


And we say the same things about the European justice system. Putting someone in jail for writing racist twitter posts or displaying a swastika would be completely unthinkable in the US. It's not that we support racism, but the freedom of speech is deeply entrenched in our society.



The difference is that the guy who posted racist twitter remarks got a sentence of 56 days in jail.

This guy has gotten 7.5 years for running over someones toe.

Bit of a fucking difference.



I think both sentences are ridiculously long, but to me 56 days just for writing some words seems way worse than 7.5 years for running over some limbs. He could have pretty easily killed someone, accident or not, and he is lucky he didn't.



Yea, just wish those celebrities with repeated DUI's got 7.5 year in jail too.


Punishements for DUIs in this country are very disproportional to other dangerous crimes. I know for a while in my state, you had to get two DUIs before they would even take your license away. Just a few years ago the state legislature finally passed a law that toughened up the restrictions. There's been an effort on that front in a number of states and it's long overdue.


Lane Garrison. 40 months for a dui which ended in several injuries and a death.

Guess he had a good lawyer or something because this to me seems more serious than what the student got.


Is this a real thing or just in movies and TV? In Finland it barely makes any difference who your lawyer is in regarding the punishment. Of course there are some complicated cases, but in no case a lawyer makes a difference from 7 year to 2 years in prison.


Huge difference is that the Lane Garrison guy pleaded guilty. Also, it depends on what state you're convicted in, I believe. In California, killing someone while under the influence is murder, not manslaughter. A lawyer makes a difference in the sense they are better at arguing, finding loopholes, and appealing to certain sympathies usually.

Also realize Lane Garrison had $300,000 in fines.

Last, if you care to investigate how the U.S. system works, the Norweigian guy more than likely will get out a few years early. He would have had a significantly less severe sentence, I presume, had he plead guilty.
dpurple
Profile Joined November 2010
Turkmenistan592 Posts
April 25 2012 18:39 GMT
#464
On April 26 2012 03:27 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 03:13 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 02:53 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:28 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:24 phoenix`down wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:05 scarrow wrote:
On April 25 2012 23:49 TheToast wrote:
On April 25 2012 21:37 Video2000 wrote:
It does seem like Americans have a hard time dealing with criticism w regards to how their justice system works (even some of the bans/warnings so far). This is obviously an absolutely wacked out insane case, but like other people ITT have mentioned, it's not the first time to hear stories like that, nor really is it a surprise. Not trolling, it just seems like there are some issues that aren't adressed..?


And we say the same things about the European justice system. Putting someone in jail for writing racist twitter posts or displaying a swastika would be completely unthinkable in the US. It's not that we support racism, but the freedom of speech is deeply entrenched in our society.



The difference is that the guy who posted racist twitter remarks got a sentence of 56 days in jail.

This guy has gotten 7.5 years for running over someones toe.

Bit of a fucking difference.



I think both sentences are ridiculously long, but to me 56 days just for writing some words seems way worse than 7.5 years for running over some limbs. He could have pretty easily killed someone, accident or not, and he is lucky he didn't.



Yea, just wish those celebrities with repeated DUI's got 7.5 year in jail too.


Why? Being a celebrity is irrelevant, why the stupid comments like that? A DUI is no jail time first time, possibly a few days second time, and third time it's three months (shortened from previously six months). It's handled mostly with taking away your license and imposing hefty fines. Isn't that exactly how you prefer it in Europe?

Or were you just trying to do more U.S. bashing?


Why is that a stupid comment? I only know how celebrities get threated in DUI cases. Because those are the people media reports about.


You honestly can't see why it's stupid? Sorry that's all you see when looking at the U.S., but it's clear you're too ignorant to make any legitimate judgement, despite you trying to clearly do so anyways. Funny, you don't even know how the ordinary person is treated, but you make stupid claims anyways.


:D

You dont read very well do you? I compared punishment of celebrities with multiple DUI's to the punishment of this norwegian guy. I never claimed celebrities get lower punishments. And I never made any claims about any "ordinary person" either.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 18:42:31
April 25 2012 18:41 GMT
#465
On April 26 2012 03:39 dpurple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 03:27 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 26 2012 03:13 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 02:53 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:28 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:24 phoenix`down wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:05 scarrow wrote:
On April 25 2012 23:49 TheToast wrote:
On April 25 2012 21:37 Video2000 wrote:
It does seem like Americans have a hard time dealing with criticism w regards to how their justice system works (even some of the bans/warnings so far). This is obviously an absolutely wacked out insane case, but like other people ITT have mentioned, it's not the first time to hear stories like that, nor really is it a surprise. Not trolling, it just seems like there are some issues that aren't adressed..?


And we say the same things about the European justice system. Putting someone in jail for writing racist twitter posts or displaying a swastika would be completely unthinkable in the US. It's not that we support racism, but the freedom of speech is deeply entrenched in our society.



The difference is that the guy who posted racist twitter remarks got a sentence of 56 days in jail.

This guy has gotten 7.5 years for running over someones toe.

Bit of a fucking difference.



I think both sentences are ridiculously long, but to me 56 days just for writing some words seems way worse than 7.5 years for running over some limbs. He could have pretty easily killed someone, accident or not, and he is lucky he didn't.



Yea, just wish those celebrities with repeated DUI's got 7.5 year in jail too.


Why? Being a celebrity is irrelevant, why the stupid comments like that? A DUI is no jail time first time, possibly a few days second time, and third time it's three months (shortened from previously six months). It's handled mostly with taking away your license and imposing hefty fines. Isn't that exactly how you prefer it in Europe?

Or were you just trying to do more U.S. bashing?


Why is that a stupid comment? I only know how celebrities get threated in DUI cases. Because those are the people media reports about.


You honestly can't see why it's stupid? Sorry that's all you see when looking at the U.S., but it's clear you're too ignorant to make any legitimate judgement, despite you trying to clearly do so anyways. Funny, you don't even know how the ordinary person is treated, but you make stupid claims anyways.


:D

You dont read very well do you? I compared punishment of celebrities with multiple DUI's to the punishment of this norwegian guy. I never claimed celebrities get lower punishments. And I never made any claims about any "ordinary person" either.


I read it fine. There is absolutely no reason to compare punishment of celebrities in particular unless you're making a point about them specifically. That's how debates work.

According to standardized tests I score in reading the top percentile, so I'm not too worried.
dpurple
Profile Joined November 2010
Turkmenistan592 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 18:44:08
April 25 2012 18:42 GMT
#466
On April 26 2012 03:31 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 03:28 raser wrote:
On April 26 2012 03:27 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 26 2012 03:13 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 02:53 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:28 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:24 phoenix`down wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:05 scarrow wrote:
On April 25 2012 23:49 TheToast wrote:
On April 25 2012 21:37 Video2000 wrote:
It does seem like Americans have a hard time dealing with criticism w regards to how their justice system works (even some of the bans/warnings so far). This is obviously an absolutely wacked out insane case, but like other people ITT have mentioned, it's not the first time to hear stories like that, nor really is it a surprise. Not trolling, it just seems like there are some issues that aren't adressed..?


And we say the same things about the European justice system. Putting someone in jail for writing racist twitter posts or displaying a swastika would be completely unthinkable in the US. It's not that we support racism, but the freedom of speech is deeply entrenched in our society.



The difference is that the guy who posted racist twitter remarks got a sentence of 56 days in jail.

This guy has gotten 7.5 years for running over someones toe.

Bit of a fucking difference.



I think both sentences are ridiculously long, but to me 56 days just for writing some words seems way worse than 7.5 years for running over some limbs. He could have pretty easily killed someone, accident or not, and he is lucky he didn't.



Yea, just wish those celebrities with repeated DUI's got 7.5 year in jail too.


Why? Being a celebrity is irrelevant, why the stupid comments like that? A DUI is no jail time first time, possibly a few days second time, and third time it's three months (shortened from previously six months). It's handled mostly with taking away your license and imposing hefty fines. Isn't that exactly how you prefer it in Europe?

Or were you just trying to do more U.S. bashing?


Why is that a stupid comment? I only know how celebrities get threated in DUI cases. Because those are the people media reports about.


You honestly can't see why it's stupid? Sorry that's all you see when looking at the U.S., but it's clear you're too ignorant to make any legitimate judgement, despite you trying to clearly do so anyways. Funny, you don't even know how the ordinary person is treated, but you make stupid claims anyways.


why don't you tell us then? seeing you are so high and mighty


Tell you what? That it has absolutely nothing to do with celebrities like his ridiculous assumption? That no one gets jail time of 7 years for DUIs, whether you're loaded or not? It's not that complicated.

Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 01:29 Jarree wrote:
On April 26 2012 01:01 Triggi wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:37 TheToast wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:28 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:24 phoenix`down wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:05 scarrow wrote:
On April 25 2012 23:49 TheToast wrote:
On April 25 2012 21:37 Video2000 wrote:
It does seem like Americans have a hard time dealing with criticism w regards to how their justice system works (even some of the bans/warnings so far). This is obviously an absolutely wacked out insane case, but like other people ITT have mentioned, it's not the first time to hear stories like that, nor really is it a surprise. Not trolling, it just seems like there are some issues that aren't adressed..?


And we say the same things about the European justice system. Putting someone in jail for writing racist twitter posts or displaying a swastika would be completely unthinkable in the US. It's not that we support racism, but the freedom of speech is deeply entrenched in our society.



The difference is that the guy who posted racist twitter remarks got a sentence of 56 days in jail.

This guy has gotten 7.5 years for running over someones toe.

Bit of a fucking difference.



I think both sentences are ridiculously long, but to me 56 days just for writing some words seems way worse than 7.5 years for running over some limbs. He could have pretty easily killed someone, accident or not, and he is lucky he didn't.



Yea, just wish those celebrities with repeated DUI's got 7.5 year in jail too.


Punishements for DUIs in this country are very disproportional to other dangerous crimes. I know for a while in my state, you had to get two DUIs before they would even take your license away. Just a few years ago the state legislature finally passed a law that toughened up the restrictions. There's been an effort on that front in a number of states and it's long overdue.


Lane Garrison. 40 months for a dui which ended in several injuries and a death.

Guess he had a good lawyer or something because this to me seems more serious than what the student got.


Is this a real thing or just in movies and TV? In Finland it barely makes any difference who your lawyer is in regarding the punishment. Of course there are some complicated cases, but in no case a lawyer makes a difference from 7 year to 2 years in prison.


Huge difference is that the Lane Garrison guy pleaded guilty. Also, it depends on what state you're convicted in, I believe. In California, killing someone while under the influence is murder, not manslaughter. A lawyer makes a difference in the sense they are better at arguing, finding loopholes, and appealing to certain sympathies usually.

Also realize Lane Garrison had $300,000 in fines.

Last, if you care to investigate how the U.S. system works, the Norweigian guy more than likely will get out a few years early. He would have had a significantly less severe sentence, I presume, had he plead guilty.



Would you think that an "ordinary" (poor) person would get $300,000 fine that he can never pay? (just a question, since you seem to read too much into things)
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
April 25 2012 18:46 GMT
#467
On April 26 2012 03:42 dpurple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 03:31 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 26 2012 03:28 raser wrote:
On April 26 2012 03:27 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 26 2012 03:13 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 02:53 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:28 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:24 phoenix`down wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:05 scarrow wrote:
On April 25 2012 23:49 TheToast wrote:
[quote]

And we say the same things about the European justice system. Putting someone in jail for writing racist twitter posts or displaying a swastika would be completely unthinkable in the US. It's not that we support racism, but the freedom of speech is deeply entrenched in our society.



The difference is that the guy who posted racist twitter remarks got a sentence of 56 days in jail.

This guy has gotten 7.5 years for running over someones toe.

Bit of a fucking difference.



I think both sentences are ridiculously long, but to me 56 days just for writing some words seems way worse than 7.5 years for running over some limbs. He could have pretty easily killed someone, accident or not, and he is lucky he didn't.



Yea, just wish those celebrities with repeated DUI's got 7.5 year in jail too.


Why? Being a celebrity is irrelevant, why the stupid comments like that? A DUI is no jail time first time, possibly a few days second time, and third time it's three months (shortened from previously six months). It's handled mostly with taking away your license and imposing hefty fines. Isn't that exactly how you prefer it in Europe?

Or were you just trying to do more U.S. bashing?


Why is that a stupid comment? I only know how celebrities get threated in DUI cases. Because those are the people media reports about.


You honestly can't see why it's stupid? Sorry that's all you see when looking at the U.S., but it's clear you're too ignorant to make any legitimate judgement, despite you trying to clearly do so anyways. Funny, you don't even know how the ordinary person is treated, but you make stupid claims anyways.


why don't you tell us then? seeing you are so high and mighty


Tell you what? That it has absolutely nothing to do with celebrities like his ridiculous assumption? That no one gets jail time of 7 years for DUIs, whether you're loaded or not? It's not that complicated.

On April 26 2012 01:29 Jarree wrote:
On April 26 2012 01:01 Triggi wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:37 TheToast wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:28 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:24 phoenix`down wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:05 scarrow wrote:
On April 25 2012 23:49 TheToast wrote:
On April 25 2012 21:37 Video2000 wrote:
It does seem like Americans have a hard time dealing with criticism w regards to how their justice system works (even some of the bans/warnings so far). This is obviously an absolutely wacked out insane case, but like other people ITT have mentioned, it's not the first time to hear stories like that, nor really is it a surprise. Not trolling, it just seems like there are some issues that aren't adressed..?


And we say the same things about the European justice system. Putting someone in jail for writing racist twitter posts or displaying a swastika would be completely unthinkable in the US. It's not that we support racism, but the freedom of speech is deeply entrenched in our society.



The difference is that the guy who posted racist twitter remarks got a sentence of 56 days in jail.

This guy has gotten 7.5 years for running over someones toe.

Bit of a fucking difference.



I think both sentences are ridiculously long, but to me 56 days just for writing some words seems way worse than 7.5 years for running over some limbs. He could have pretty easily killed someone, accident or not, and he is lucky he didn't.



Yea, just wish those celebrities with repeated DUI's got 7.5 year in jail too.


Punishements for DUIs in this country are very disproportional to other dangerous crimes. I know for a while in my state, you had to get two DUIs before they would even take your license away. Just a few years ago the state legislature finally passed a law that toughened up the restrictions. There's been an effort on that front in a number of states and it's long overdue.


Lane Garrison. 40 months for a dui which ended in several injuries and a death.

Guess he had a good lawyer or something because this to me seems more serious than what the student got.


Is this a real thing or just in movies and TV? In Finland it barely makes any difference who your lawyer is in regarding the punishment. Of course there are some complicated cases, but in no case a lawyer makes a difference from 7 year to 2 years in prison.


Huge difference is that the Lane Garrison guy pleaded guilty. Also, it depends on what state you're convicted in, I believe. In California, killing someone while under the influence is murder, not manslaughter. A lawyer makes a difference in the sense they are better at arguing, finding loopholes, and appealing to certain sympathies usually.

Also realize Lane Garrison had $300,000 in fines.

Last, if you care to investigate how the U.S. system works, the Norweigian guy more than likely will get out a few years early. He would have had a significantly less severe sentence, I presume, had he plead guilty.



Would you think that an "ordinary" (poor) person would get $300,000 fine that he can never pay? (just a question, since you seem to read too much into things)


It's very possible. People get absolutely ridiculous fines that they can not hope to ever pay. I've read in the news about ordinary people who kill someone while driving and get millions in fines, and are not rich. I'm not sure how exactly it works. Basically it completely wipes out all money that the offender had.
perser84
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany399 Posts
April 25 2012 18:50 GMT
#468
so he get 35 years for no rape no roobery
no killing or to be a terrorist

thats kinda retarded
dpurple
Profile Joined November 2010
Turkmenistan592 Posts
April 25 2012 18:52 GMT
#469
On April 26 2012 03:50 perser84 wrote:
so he get 35 years for no rape no roobery
no killing or to be a terrorist

thats kinda retarded


No he gets 7.5 years. Read the thread.
ElvisWayCool
Profile Joined March 2010
United States437 Posts
April 25 2012 19:01 GMT
#470
On April 26 2012 03:41 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 03:39 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 03:27 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 26 2012 03:13 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 02:53 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:28 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:24 phoenix`down wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:05 scarrow wrote:
On April 25 2012 23:49 TheToast wrote:
On April 25 2012 21:37 Video2000 wrote:
It does seem like Americans have a hard time dealing with criticism w regards to how their justice system works (even some of the bans/warnings so far). This is obviously an absolutely wacked out insane case, but like other people ITT have mentioned, it's not the first time to hear stories like that, nor really is it a surprise. Not trolling, it just seems like there are some issues that aren't adressed..?


And we say the same things about the European justice system. Putting someone in jail for writing racist twitter posts or displaying a swastika would be completely unthinkable in the US. It's not that we support racism, but the freedom of speech is deeply entrenched in our society.



The difference is that the guy who posted racist twitter remarks got a sentence of 56 days in jail.

This guy has gotten 7.5 years for running over someones toe.

Bit of a fucking difference.



I think both sentences are ridiculously long, but to me 56 days just for writing some words seems way worse than 7.5 years for running over some limbs. He could have pretty easily killed someone, accident or not, and he is lucky he didn't.



Yea, just wish those celebrities with repeated DUI's got 7.5 year in jail too.


Why? Being a celebrity is irrelevant, why the stupid comments like that? A DUI is no jail time first time, possibly a few days second time, and third time it's three months (shortened from previously six months). It's handled mostly with taking away your license and imposing hefty fines. Isn't that exactly how you prefer it in Europe?

Or were you just trying to do more U.S. bashing?


Why is that a stupid comment? I only know how celebrities get threated in DUI cases. Because those are the people media reports about.


You honestly can't see why it's stupid? Sorry that's all you see when looking at the U.S., but it's clear you're too ignorant to make any legitimate judgement, despite you trying to clearly do so anyways. Funny, you don't even know how the ordinary person is treated, but you make stupid claims anyways.


:D

You dont read very well do you? I compared punishment of celebrities with multiple DUI's to the punishment of this norwegian guy. I never claimed celebrities get lower punishments. And I never made any claims about any "ordinary person" either.


I read it fine. There is absolutely no reason to compare punishment of celebrities in particular unless you're making a point about them specifically. That's how debates work.

According to standardized tests I score in reading the top percentile, so I'm not too worried.


You are focusing on the wrong point of his argument. The problem isn't that celebrities should get more jail time for DUI's, it's that their DUI's were repeated. He only used to word celebrities because those are the repeat DUI cases you hear about, you just don't hear about the average person's DUI record that often on the news.

If instead of, "Yea, just wish those celebrities with repeated DUI's got 7.5 year in jail too," he would have said, "Yea, just wish those people with repeated DUI's got 7.5 year in jail too," would you have thrown such a fit about it?

C'mon man, if you're as good at reading as you say you are, you should be able to understand the message a statement is trying to make even if the words used to make it aren't perfect.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
April 25 2012 19:14 GMT
#471
On April 26 2012 04:01 TerlocSG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 03:41 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 26 2012 03:39 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 03:27 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 26 2012 03:13 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 02:53 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:28 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:24 phoenix`down wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:05 scarrow wrote:
On April 25 2012 23:49 TheToast wrote:
[quote]

And we say the same things about the European justice system. Putting someone in jail for writing racist twitter posts or displaying a swastika would be completely unthinkable in the US. It's not that we support racism, but the freedom of speech is deeply entrenched in our society.



The difference is that the guy who posted racist twitter remarks got a sentence of 56 days in jail.

This guy has gotten 7.5 years for running over someones toe.

Bit of a fucking difference.



I think both sentences are ridiculously long, but to me 56 days just for writing some words seems way worse than 7.5 years for running over some limbs. He could have pretty easily killed someone, accident or not, and he is lucky he didn't.



Yea, just wish those celebrities with repeated DUI's got 7.5 year in jail too.


Why? Being a celebrity is irrelevant, why the stupid comments like that? A DUI is no jail time first time, possibly a few days second time, and third time it's three months (shortened from previously six months). It's handled mostly with taking away your license and imposing hefty fines. Isn't that exactly how you prefer it in Europe?

Or were you just trying to do more U.S. bashing?


Why is that a stupid comment? I only know how celebrities get threated in DUI cases. Because those are the people media reports about.


You honestly can't see why it's stupid? Sorry that's all you see when looking at the U.S., but it's clear you're too ignorant to make any legitimate judgement, despite you trying to clearly do so anyways. Funny, you don't even know how the ordinary person is treated, but you make stupid claims anyways.


:D

You dont read very well do you? I compared punishment of celebrities with multiple DUI's to the punishment of this norwegian guy. I never claimed celebrities get lower punishments. And I never made any claims about any "ordinary person" either.


I read it fine. There is absolutely no reason to compare punishment of celebrities in particular unless you're making a point about them specifically. That's how debates work.

According to standardized tests I score in reading the top percentile, so I'm not too worried.


You are focusing on the wrong point of his argument. The problem isn't that celebrities should get more jail time for DUI's, it's that their DUI's were repeated. He only used to word celebrities because those are the repeat DUI cases you hear about, you just don't hear about the average person's DUI record that often on the news.

If instead of, "Yea, just wish those celebrities with repeated DUI's got 7.5 year in jail too," he would have said, "Yea, just wish those people with repeated DUI's got 7.5 year in jail too," would you have thrown such a fit about it?

C'mon man, if you're as good at reading as you say you are, you should be able to understand the message a statement is trying to make even if the words used to make it aren't perfect.


My entire point focused around the fact people from other countries IN THIS THREAD mention that celebrities get off easy, and thus have attributed having tons of money = you don't go to jail. If the topic of discussion is already on this matter, no, you actually cannot interchange celebrities and people and hope to have the same effect. They aren't interchangeable, simply due to the context of the existing discussion.

You can see it even in the subsequent posts, not to mention the topic of conversation in this thread had already veered towards "those with money get away with things." So no, I don't believe I was focusing on the wrong point of the argument, and at the same time, there is still no reason to mention celebrities in particular if he believes that is how the judicial system treats the general populace.

I would not have "thrown such a fit about it" if it was the second case, but I would also surmise that's still not what he meant. It seems quite clear that the entire topic of discussion was that jail time for sentences was bad.

I assume he's not actually living in Turkmenistan since he mentioned media and Turkmenistan is notorious for having some of the absolute worst censoring and media in the entire world, ranking utterly terrible in the category as human rights as well. It is ranked as having the third worst freedom of the press in the entire world, only behind North Korea and Burma. So I think it's a fairly safe assumption, although I could be wrong.
perser84
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany399 Posts
April 25 2012 19:27 GMT
#472
On April 26 2012 03:52 dpurple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 03:50 perser84 wrote:
so he get 35 years for no rape no roobery
no killing or to be a terrorist

thats kinda retarded


No he gets 7.5 years. Read the thread.


ok my bad but 7 years its still retarded
scarrow
Profile Joined March 2012
United Kingdom30 Posts
April 25 2012 19:36 GMT
#473
On April 26 2012 00:09 TheToast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 00:05 scarrow wrote:
On April 25 2012 23:49 TheToast wrote:
On April 25 2012 21:37 Video2000 wrote:
It does seem like Americans have a hard time dealing with criticism w regards to how their justice system works (even some of the bans/warnings so far). This is obviously an absolutely wacked out insane case, but like other people ITT have mentioned, it's not the first time to hear stories like that, nor really is it a surprise. Not trolling, it just seems like there are some issues that aren't adressed..?


And we say the same things about the European justice system. Putting someone in jail for writing racist twitter posts or displaying a swastika would be completely unthinkable in the US. It's not that we support racism, but the freedom of speech is deeply entrenched in our society.



The difference is that the guy who posted racist twitter remarks got a sentence of 56 days in jail.

This guy has gotten 7.5 years for running over someones toe.

Bit of a fucking difference.



No, he got 7 and 1/2 years for multiple counts of assault with a deadly weapon.

I would argue that putting someone in jail, not matter how long, for writing racists things on twitter is much, much worse. But that's my viewpoint based on how American culture has entrenched the idea of freedom of speech.



Yeah man like America has total freedom of speech, please get real.





iamcup
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland58 Posts
April 25 2012 19:37 GMT
#474
I seriously can't get my head around this. He get's 7.5 years for this? Why do I get the feeling there's more to this than we know and there's some more serious offence we are not aware of. I just cant belive this could be real. I just cant.
ElvisWayCool
Profile Joined March 2010
United States437 Posts
April 25 2012 19:39 GMT
#475
On April 26 2012 04:14 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 04:01 TerlocSG wrote:
On April 26 2012 03:41 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 26 2012 03:39 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 03:27 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 26 2012 03:13 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 02:53 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:28 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:24 phoenix`down wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:05 scarrow wrote:
[quote]


The difference is that the guy who posted racist twitter remarks got a sentence of 56 days in jail.

This guy has gotten 7.5 years for running over someones toe.

Bit of a fucking difference.



I think both sentences are ridiculously long, but to me 56 days just for writing some words seems way worse than 7.5 years for running over some limbs. He could have pretty easily killed someone, accident or not, and he is lucky he didn't.



Yea, just wish those celebrities with repeated DUI's got 7.5 year in jail too.


Why? Being a celebrity is irrelevant, why the stupid comments like that? A DUI is no jail time first time, possibly a few days second time, and third time it's three months (shortened from previously six months). It's handled mostly with taking away your license and imposing hefty fines. Isn't that exactly how you prefer it in Europe?

Or were you just trying to do more U.S. bashing?


Why is that a stupid comment? I only know how celebrities get threated in DUI cases. Because those are the people media reports about.


You honestly can't see why it's stupid? Sorry that's all you see when looking at the U.S., but it's clear you're too ignorant to make any legitimate judgement, despite you trying to clearly do so anyways. Funny, you don't even know how the ordinary person is treated, but you make stupid claims anyways.


:D

You dont read very well do you? I compared punishment of celebrities with multiple DUI's to the punishment of this norwegian guy. I never claimed celebrities get lower punishments. And I never made any claims about any "ordinary person" either.


I read it fine. There is absolutely no reason to compare punishment of celebrities in particular unless you're making a point about them specifically. That's how debates work.

According to standardized tests I score in reading the top percentile, so I'm not too worried.


You are focusing on the wrong point of his argument. The problem isn't that celebrities should get more jail time for DUI's, it's that their DUI's were repeated. He only used to word celebrities because those are the repeat DUI cases you hear about, you just don't hear about the average person's DUI record that often on the news.

If instead of, "Yea, just wish those celebrities with repeated DUI's got 7.5 year in jail too," he would have said, "Yea, just wish those people with repeated DUI's got 7.5 year in jail too," would you have thrown such a fit about it?

C'mon man, if you're as good at reading as you say you are, you should be able to understand the message a statement is trying to make even if the words used to make it aren't perfect.


My entire point focused around the fact people from other countries IN THIS THREAD mention that celebrities get off easy, and thus have attributed having tons of money = you don't go to jail. If the topic of discussion is already on this matter, no, you actually cannot interchange celebrities and people and hope to have the same effect. They aren't interchangeable, simply due to the context of the existing discussion.

You can see it even in the subsequent posts, not to mention the topic of conversation in this thread had already veered towards "those with money get away with things." So no, I don't believe I was focusing on the wrong point of the argument, and at the same time, there is still no reason to mention celebrities in particular if he believes that is how the judicial system treats the general populace.

I would not have "thrown such a fit about it" if it was the second case, but I would also surmise that's still not what he meant. It seems quite clear that the entire topic of discussion was that jail time for sentences was bad.

I assume he's not actually living in Turkmenistan since he mentioned media and Turkmenistan is notorious for having some of the absolute worst censoring and media in the entire world, ranking utterly terrible in the category as human rights as well. It is ranked as having the third worst freedom of the press in the entire world, only behind North Korea and Burma. So I think it's a fairly safe assumption, although I could be wrong.


Ok, so first, the thread isn't about celebrities and the posts quoted aren't about celebrities until the guy I quoted used the word, so it still seems to me like your just throwing this thread in the wrong direction. The topic of conversation should have been about the dude that's going to jail for his really bad day.

Second, money does buy power. You can't deny that people with money can buy certain privileges that people without money cannot afford.

Third, it's still completely viable for someone who does not live in the US (or who does live in the US but has never been involved in a lawful situation) to base their opinion of the US off what they see and hear on the TV/internet, which is, as you can guess, all about celebrities. In fact, if he were to say something about normal US civilians without knowing anything about them, that would have been wrong. At least with celebrities he might have some evidence to support his argument.

And finally, "when you assume,you make an ass out of u and me." Who are you to say he doesn't live where he says he does? A completely unbiased person would have to accept his word because there's no reason to not accept it, he's innocent (of lying about where he lives) until proven guilty.

Don't be a dick because someone has an opinion that isn't yours is all I'm saying.
tokicheese
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada739 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 20:11:45
April 25 2012 20:09 GMT
#476
On April 26 2012 04:39 TerlocSG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 04:14 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 26 2012 04:01 TerlocSG wrote:
On April 26 2012 03:41 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 26 2012 03:39 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 03:27 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 26 2012 03:13 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 02:53 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:28 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:24 phoenix`down wrote:
[quote]

I think both sentences are ridiculously long, but to me 56 days just for writing some words seems way worse than 7.5 years for running over some limbs. He could have pretty easily killed someone, accident or not, and he is lucky he didn't.



Yea, just wish those celebrities with repeated DUI's got 7.5 year in jail too.


Why? Being a celebrity is irrelevant, why the stupid comments like that? A DUI is no jail time first time, possibly a few days second time, and third time it's three months (shortened from previously six months). It's handled mostly with taking away your license and imposing hefty fines. Isn't that exactly how you prefer it in Europe?

Or were you just trying to do more U.S. bashing?


Why is that a stupid comment? I only know how celebrities get threated in DUI cases. Because those are the people media reports about.


You honestly can't see why it's stupid? Sorry that's all you see when looking at the U.S., but it's clear you're too ignorant to make any legitimate judgement, despite you trying to clearly do so anyways. Funny, you don't even know how the ordinary person is treated, but you make stupid claims anyways.


:D

You dont read very well do you? I compared punishment of celebrities with multiple DUI's to the punishment of this norwegian guy. I never claimed celebrities get lower punishments. And I never made any claims about any "ordinary person" either.


I read it fine. There is absolutely no reason to compare punishment of celebrities in particular unless you're making a point about them specifically. That's how debates work.

According to standardized tests I score in reading the top percentile, so I'm not too worried.


You are focusing on the wrong point of his argument. The problem isn't that celebrities should get more jail time for DUI's, it's that their DUI's were repeated. He only used to word celebrities because those are the repeat DUI cases you hear about, you just don't hear about the average person's DUI record that often on the news.

If instead of, "Yea, just wish those celebrities with repeated DUI's got 7.5 year in jail too," he would have said, "Yea, just wish those people with repeated DUI's got 7.5 year in jail too," would you have thrown such a fit about it?

C'mon man, if you're as good at reading as you say you are, you should be able to understand the message a statement is trying to make even if the words used to make it aren't perfect.


My entire point focused around the fact people from other countries IN THIS THREAD mention that celebrities get off easy, and thus have attributed having tons of money = you don't go to jail. If the topic of discussion is already on this matter, no, you actually cannot interchange celebrities and people and hope to have the same effect. They aren't interchangeable, simply due to the context of the existing discussion.

You can see it even in the subsequent posts, not to mention the topic of conversation in this thread had already veered towards "those with money get away with things." So no, I don't believe I was focusing on the wrong point of the argument, and at the same time, there is still no reason to mention celebrities in particular if he believes that is how the judicial system treats the general populace.

I would not have "thrown such a fit about it" if it was the second case, but I would also surmise that's still not what he meant. It seems quite clear that the entire topic of discussion was that jail time for sentences was bad.

I assume he's not actually living in Turkmenistan since he mentioned media and Turkmenistan is notorious for having some of the absolute worst censoring and media in the entire world, ranking utterly terrible in the category as human rights as well. It is ranked as having the third worst freedom of the press in the entire world, only behind North Korea and Burma. So I think it's a fairly safe assumption, although I could be wrong.


Ok, so first, the thread isn't about celebrities and the posts quoted aren't about celebrities until the guy I quoted used the word, so it still seems to me like your just throwing this thread in the wrong direction. The topic of conversation should have been about the dude that's going to jail for his really bad day.

Second, money does buy power. You can't deny that people with money can buy certain privileges that people without money cannot afford.

Third, it's still completely viable for someone who does not live in the US (or who does live in the US but has never been involved in a lawful situation) to base their opinion of the US off what they see and hear on the TV/internet, which is, as you can guess, all about celebrities. In fact, if he were to say something about normal US civilians without knowing anything about them, that would have been wrong. At least with celebrities he might have some evidence to support his argument.

And finally, "when you assume,you make an ass out of u and me." Who are you to say he doesn't live where he says he does? A completely unbiased person would have to accept his word because there's no reason to not accept it, he's innocent (of lying about where he lives) until proven guilty.

Don't be a dick because someone has an opinion that isn't yours is all I'm saying.

Money can get you a much better defence and therefore less time...

Public defenders often have multiple cases and therefore a bigger workload. If you can afford a top notch lawyer he will be working on much fewer cases if not just yours. He will find any thing to help you whereas a public defender has much more stretched time and can't pour over every single detail of a case over and over to find small details and even if the public defender is not stretched for time the big time lawyer will usually just be better at the job in the first place.

The reason people like to US bash is because shit like this happens all the time it seems. Maybe it happens elsewhere too but I don't see any threads like these about European countries. Usually it's in the south and obviously not all of the US is like the south. I live 5 minutes from the border and most Americans I have met are fine. Americans seem to get really offended of people saying something about their country even if it not meant as an insult I've noticed. Take it easy...
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FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
April 25 2012 20:15 GMT
#477
On April 26 2012 04:39 TerlocSG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 04:14 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 26 2012 04:01 TerlocSG wrote:
On April 26 2012 03:41 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 26 2012 03:39 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 03:27 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 26 2012 03:13 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 02:53 FabledIntegral wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:28 dpurple wrote:
On April 26 2012 00:24 phoenix`down wrote:
[quote]

I think both sentences are ridiculously long, but to me 56 days just for writing some words seems way worse than 7.5 years for running over some limbs. He could have pretty easily killed someone, accident or not, and he is lucky he didn't.



Yea, just wish those celebrities with repeated DUI's got 7.5 year in jail too.


Why? Being a celebrity is irrelevant, why the stupid comments like that? A DUI is no jail time first time, possibly a few days second time, and third time it's three months (shortened from previously six months). It's handled mostly with taking away your license and imposing hefty fines. Isn't that exactly how you prefer it in Europe?

Or were you just trying to do more U.S. bashing?


Why is that a stupid comment? I only know how celebrities get threated in DUI cases. Because those are the people media reports about.


You honestly can't see why it's stupid? Sorry that's all you see when looking at the U.S., but it's clear you're too ignorant to make any legitimate judgement, despite you trying to clearly do so anyways. Funny, you don't even know how the ordinary person is treated, but you make stupid claims anyways.


:D

You dont read very well do you? I compared punishment of celebrities with multiple DUI's to the punishment of this norwegian guy. I never claimed celebrities get lower punishments. And I never made any claims about any "ordinary person" either.


I read it fine. There is absolutely no reason to compare punishment of celebrities in particular unless you're making a point about them specifically. That's how debates work.

According to standardized tests I score in reading the top percentile, so I'm not too worried.


You are focusing on the wrong point of his argument. The problem isn't that celebrities should get more jail time for DUI's, it's that their DUI's were repeated. He only used to word celebrities because those are the repeat DUI cases you hear about, you just don't hear about the average person's DUI record that often on the news.

If instead of, "Yea, just wish those celebrities with repeated DUI's got 7.5 year in jail too," he would have said, "Yea, just wish those people with repeated DUI's got 7.5 year in jail too," would you have thrown such a fit about it?

C'mon man, if you're as good at reading as you say you are, you should be able to understand the message a statement is trying to make even if the words used to make it aren't perfect.


My entire point focused around the fact people from other countries IN THIS THREAD mention that celebrities get off easy, and thus have attributed having tons of money = you don't go to jail. If the topic of discussion is already on this matter, no, you actually cannot interchange celebrities and people and hope to have the same effect. They aren't interchangeable, simply due to the context of the existing discussion.

You can see it even in the subsequent posts, not to mention the topic of conversation in this thread had already veered towards "those with money get away with things." So no, I don't believe I was focusing on the wrong point of the argument, and at the same time, there is still no reason to mention celebrities in particular if he believes that is how the judicial system treats the general populace.

I would not have "thrown such a fit about it" if it was the second case, but I would also surmise that's still not what he meant. It seems quite clear that the entire topic of discussion was that jail time for sentences was bad.

I assume he's not actually living in Turkmenistan since he mentioned media and Turkmenistan is notorious for having some of the absolute worst censoring and media in the entire world, ranking utterly terrible in the category as human rights as well. It is ranked as having the third worst freedom of the press in the entire world, only behind North Korea and Burma. So I think it's a fairly safe assumption, although I could be wrong.


Ok, so first, the thread isn't about celebrities and the posts quoted aren't about celebrities until the guy I quoted used the word, so it still seems to me like your just throwing this thread in the wrong direction. The topic of conversation should have been about the dude that's going to jail for his really bad day.

Second, money does buy power. You can't deny that people with money can buy certain privileges that people without money cannot afford.

Third, it's still completely viable for someone who does not live in the US (or who does live in the US but has never been involved in a lawful situation) to base their opinion of the US off what they see and hear on the TV/internet, which is, as you can guess, all about celebrities. In fact, if he were to say something about normal US civilians without knowing anything about them, that would have been wrong. At least with celebrities he might have some evidence to support his argument.

And finally, "when you assume,you make an ass out of u and me." Who are you to say he doesn't live where he says he does? A completely unbiased person would have to accept his word because there's no reason to not accept it, he's innocent (of lying about where he lives) until proven guilty.

Don't be a dick because someone has an opinion that isn't yours is all I'm saying.


1. You're right, the thread isn't about celebrities. That doesn't mean they aren't being brought up in relevant, albeit incorrect, discussions. What was just being discussed were comments like these

"
On April 25 2012 10:06 wurm wrote:
I'm honestly not surprised. Celebrities can kill/threaten to kill people/embezzle millions and not spend any jail time in America, but the average Joe can spend up to a decade in jail for what other people get 1-2 years minimum. Justice system my ass.


2. Yes, money can buy power, I agree.

3. Sure, it's viable. What's your point? I'm not sure the word you're looking for is viable.

4. Assumptions are quite key when other evidence is lacking. Without assumptions there's hardly any discussion because the facts are almost never presented. As long as you make it clear you're assuming and that you're not stating how things are, I don't see an issue with that.
Half
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2554 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 20:22:38
April 25 2012 20:19 GMT
#478
Are you the defenders of America really supportive of this kids sentencing and our Judicial system in general, or are you simply expressing Patriotic/Nationalistic sentiment? Does having a prison population larger then fucking Communist China really seem befitting of "the land of the free"?

Because if its the latter, you aren't Patriotic. You are actively harming your country by expressing disgenuine viewpoints to save face.

If its the former, you might be kind of dumb, sorry.

As for the kid involved, I feel pity for him. He really did seem like he was born a loser Obviously shouldn't be going to prison, but given his luck, not surprising :/.
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FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
April 25 2012 20:23 GMT
#479
On April 26 2012 05:19 Half wrote:
Are you the defenders of America really supportive of this kids sentencing and our Judicial system in general, or are you simply expressing Patriotic/Nationalistic sentiment? Does having a prison population larger then fucking Communist China really seem befitting of "the land of the free"?

Because if its the latter, you aren't Patriotic. You are actively harming your country by expressing disgenuine viewpoints to save face.

If its the former, you might be kind of dumb, sorry :/.


From reading the topic, I believe a very large majority of the posters from the U.S. would think that the 7.5 year sentence is indeed excessive, but that hasn't really been debated or a while. What has been debated was how the person was acting, and how he deserves more than a simple slap on the wrist. More notably than anything probably was the extreme bias in the article.
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
April 25 2012 20:25 GMT
#480
OP has done a shitty (non-existent) job of updating the OP.
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